Pokepimping: Making weak Pokemon into brutal killers?

[Cortes]

You know, I've given this some thought. I like a lot of Pokemon style-wise whom are more or less pathetic creatures when it comes to battle.

Such as Sentret, Skitty, Pachirisu and Aipom.

I was wondering what strategies you would recommend in order to make Pokemon like these more suitable for battle. Just for the hell of it, to see if one could.

I'm thinking Rest, Sleep Talk and Protect, Baton Pass as well in terms of moves.

Ideas?

[coolkidmitch]

I originally started to think "How awesome would it be to have a team of what people consider baby type pokemon and kick butt." The thing is, because of the stats of these little guys, its kind of pointless. OF course they can have brilliant move sets but the second that you are faced with something that can decimate you in one hit (EX: A Jolteon), no matter what you moves you have it doesnt matter. Its speed will not only beat you to the punch, but because of their lowered defense, you have no chance.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong however! It would make my heart melt to think that a magikarp could actually beat a tyranitar :)

[aaronburnsyou]

I'm actually training a Pichu at the moment, but I'm not sure how well it's going to end up. I'm only planning on having it survive the first turn anyway (with the use of Focus Sash). I was able to get one with Charge and Volt Tackle though. I know that it's probably going to fail if I ever bring it into a single battle though.

I do think I've been interested in this concept ever since Pokemon Stadium's Petit Cup, where you could only use the first stage pokemon that were under specific weight measurements, or something like that. I always did really well with Sandshrew and Dratini.

[Feathing]

Well... I know is hard, but not impossible. I wouldn't recommend you to train a whole team of "weak" Pokemon. but you could have three or four of them and a pair of stronger Pokemon as a back-up. You could have, as an example:

Furret.
Minun.
Aipom.
Dunsparce.
Venasuar.
Lapras/An eeveelution.

It's hard to train them, but I actually won the E4 with a weak Dustox and a weak Minun.
The key is training them in the stats they're most powerful. Teach them attacks that suits the best characteristic (Attack/Sp. Attack) give them Protein and other stuff for boost their lowest stats. Try to think in a combo battle, not teaching a full offensive moveset, but a more strategic one.
Of couse, use make of sense. I would love to see my Pachirisu beating a Dragonite, but that's quite impossible. Use the Pachirisu against foes against he has posibilities to win.
And the last thing, fight with them hard, more than if you had a Venasuar, a Ninetales, etc. Fight, fight and fight, and never lose hope ;)

It's possible!

[Artyte]

You're a bad person, we should treat pokemon with love and care, prevent them from becoming killer machines. LOL, just joking, but i don't like the idea of doing so.

[Charmageddon]

I originally started to think "How awesome would it be to have a team of what people consider baby type pokemon and kick butt." The thing is, because of the stats of these little guys, its kind of pointless. OF course they can have brilliant move sets but the second that you are faced with something that can decimate you in one hit (EX: A Jolteon), no matter what you moves you have it doesnt matter. Its speed will not only beat you to the punch, but because of their lowered defense, you have no chance.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong however! It would make my heart melt to think that a magikarp could actually beat a tyranitar :)

I actually did beat Lance's top Dragonite in Gold with a Magikarp. I kid you not! It was about the sixth time I'd beaten the Elite Four on that game, I was just doing for the money and my lvl 90-ish Feraligatr had wiped its way through them, but when I came up against Lance's final dragon, I got its HP down to a ridiculously low amount, I could barely even see the bar, but then it hit me with a Hyper Beam and Snappy was down. I was then scrolling down my party, and I came across a little lvl. 18 Magikarp that I had been training and forgot to take out of my team before I went into the E4. So, I sent him out.

Your enemy's weak! Get'm, Tartar!

Enemy Dragonite must recharge!

Tartar used Tackle!

Enemy Dragonite has fainted!

Tartar gained a bzillion EXP.

Even though he grew to lvl. 20 then, I didn't evolve him. I had to keep him for the Hall of Fame, because nobody believed that I had beaten the E4 with a Magikarp. :P

[Cortes]

Remember, it doesn't matter what level they are. They should just be either first evolution or Pokes who are generally considered weak.

My strategy would be to have all of them equipped with movesets that are annoying and tricky rather than trying to attack all-out. Baton Pass and Rest are essential, as well as Sweet Kiss and Perish Song (although many CPUs and Trainers would switch out). Perhaps a Shuppet with Mean Look and Perish Song? >:3

I mean, a lot of mediocre Normal types can learn so many moves; I still believe that's an opportunity to come up with a nice strategy.

I also like Kecleon a lot, but Color Change is easily exploitable. I would like to know a way to turn the tables and use it to your advantage. Any ideas?

[Shen]

Dunsparce can still be a pain in the rear even at competitive play XD

[Feathing]

Well, as far I know, Kecleon's ability is a blessing if you are the rival, and a curse if you have to fight with him XD
Dunsparce can be annoying, as can be Chansey and Clefairy..

Shuppet with Mean Look, Perish Song, Toxic and Shadow Ball or that attack that rest the oponent the same number of HP that the user has of level.. what did it call..??

[C.N.C]

mime jr i would like training him

[Lady Gaga]

lol my lopunny is super strong, and knows Dizzy Punch, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, and Dig

weak pokemon FTW!

[Cortes]

I wouldn't consider Kecleon a top-tier Pokemon, but teaching it Skill Swap has proven to be a blessing. It gives you the edge against the CPU by a ridiculous degree. Along with Return (its best move), and either Shadow Ball, Brick Break or Focus Punch, it's a nice cleaner to bring in late in the battle. It's even good as a nice wall with it's high Special Defense. For a good UU/NU Pokemon, it's one of my favorites.

[J-Rad]

It's called Pie:

Phanphy@Focus Sash
Whatever Nature
No EV's
--Endeavor
--IceShard
--Nothing
--Nothing

Sure it's gimped by Extremespeed like moves/sandstorm/hail, but it's very fun to use...

[The Scientist]

It's called Pie:

Phanphy@Focus Sash
Whatever Nature
No EV's
--Endeavor
--IceShard
--Nothing
--Nothing

Sure it's gimped by Extremespeed like moves/sandstorm/hail, but it's very fun to use...

Actually, that's a variation on the FEAR Ratatta.

Lv. 2 Ratatta@ Focus Sash
Nature unimportant
EVs unimportant
-Endeavor
-Quick Attack
-?
-?

Them: Attack
You: 1 HP, Endeavor (Them: 1 HP)
Them: Any non-priority attack
You: Quick Attack

A WINNER IS YOU!

[Lily!]

I was surprised to see a Magikarp take down a team of Ubers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye7b3bOQ6lY

Caterpie is fun too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrOubH5lubE

[BHwolfgang]

Any Pokémon who keeps on healing itself or confusing others is a pain in the butt.

I once beat Gary's (Firered) Venasaur once with my Growlith. :D

It happened like Charmegeddon's, but Growlith destroyed Veansaur with a quick attack. :D

[Capt. Couch]

Back in the day, the best way to turn a Magikarp into a fierce killer was to increase all of its base stats to the max and then use Splash forty times and use Struggle, provided that you had a good stock of HP-restoring items. You could really drive somebody up the wall that way. Ah, the glory days... :)

But to make a weaker Pokemon like Skitty or Aipom a good fighter, the move Rest is a must; look for TM44. As a general rule of thumb, any Pokemon with a self-healing move like Recover can prove to be a competent fighter (despite the fact that almost every Pokemon that uses Recover has decent enough stats anyway). Other than that, a little bit of EV training to boost the Defense stat is also a good measure to take.

It's completely possible to raise a competent team of what would be considered "lesser-fighting" Pokemon, it just takes a while.

[Pizzey teh Moon Unit]

Weak normal types (Delcatty, Furret etc.) Actually have a pretty good range of moves. Unfortunately, most of their moves are sp.a and they're usually better in atk :/

[tb33zy123]

I say that they should make a BEAST evolution for Dunsparce, since he was worthless, haha

[evilishan]

Well... I know is hard, but not impossible. I wouldn't recommend you to train a whole team of "weak" Pokemon. but you could have three or four of them and a pair of stronger Pokemon as a back-up. You could have, as an example:

Furret.
Minun.
Aipom.
Dunsparce.
Venasuar.
Lapras/An eeveelution.

It's hard to train them, but I actually won the E4 with a weak Dustox and a weak Minun.
The key is training them in the stats they're most powerful. Teach them attacks that suits the best characteristic (Attack/Sp. Attack) give them Protein and other stuff for boost their lowest stats. Try to think in a combo battle, not teaching a full offensive moveset, but a more strategic one.
Of couse, use make of sense. I would love to see my Pachirisu beating a Dragonite, but that's quite impossible. Use the Pachirisu against foes against he has posibilities to win.
And the last thing, fight with them hard, more than if you had a Venasuar, a Ninetales, etc. Fight, fight and fight, and never lose hope ;)

It's possible!
This person is my biggest inspiration for my Minun+Plusle + other poke's that aren't used much against E4.Very nice

[Ninja Caterpie]

...Looking...looking...got it!

Salamence's intimidate cut Smeargle's attack!
Shadowlakitu: Ah crud.
Smeargle used Belly Drum.
Smeargle lost 50% of its health.
Smeargle's attack was raised.
Salamence used Stone Edge.
Salamence's attack missed!
---
Smeargle used Baton Pass.
Shadowlakitu switched in Magikarp (lvl 100 Magikarp ?).
Salamence used Stone Edge.
Magikarp lost 101% of its health.
Magikarp hung on using its Focus Sash!
---
Magikarp used Flail.
Salamence lost 147% of its health.
ThiagoIronMaiden's Salamence fainted.
---
ThiagoIronMaiden switched in Luxray (lvl 100 Luxray ?).
Luxray's intimidate cut Magikarp's attack!
Magikarp used Flail.
Luxray lost 144% of its health.
ThiagoIronMaiden's Luxray fainted.
---
ThiagoIronMaiden switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
Sceptile used Leaf Blade.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Magikarp lost 347% of its health.
Shadowlakitu's Magikarp fainted.

=D

[Retribution]

...Looking...looking...got it!

Salamence's intimidate cut Smeargle's attack!
Shadowlakitu: Ah crud.
Smeargle used Belly Drum.
Smeargle lost 50% of its health.
Smeargle's attack was raised.
Salamence used Stone Edge.
Salamence's attack missed!
---
Smeargle used Baton Pass.
Shadowlakitu switched in Magikarp (lvl 100 Magikarp ?).
Salamence used Stone Edge.
Magikarp lost 101% of its health.
Magikarp hung on using its Focus Sash!
---
Magikarp used Flail.
Salamence lost 147% of its health.
ThiagoIronMaiden's Salamence fainted.
---
ThiagoIronMaiden switched in Luxray (lvl 100 Luxray ?).
Luxray's intimidate cut Magikarp's attack!
Magikarp used Flail.
Luxray lost 144% of its health.
ThiagoIronMaiden's Luxray fainted.
---
ThiagoIronMaiden switched in Sceptile (lvl 100 Sceptile ?).
Sceptile used Leaf Blade.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Magikarp lost 347% of its health.
Shadowlakitu's Magikarp fainted.

=D

That is pretty epic. :D I didn't think a Magikarp had that much potential. o_OI think basically any Pokemon can be 'decent' if they are trained right. I mean, with methods like F.E.A.R, it really shows that many weak Pokemon (such as Rattata) can be a brutal killer/ defeat much stronger Pokemon :P. Sure, there are some Pokemon which may be hard to be made into brutal killers (Sunkern, Magikarp, Weedle, Caterpie) but again, sometimes it is possible (Points to quote. :P) This influences me to train up one of the weaker Pokemon XD

[kingofjokers]

i don't like the idea and i only did it once to a togapi just because my friendship didn't do so well or was it happiny i font remember

[Gymnotide]

It's called Pie:

Phanphy@Focus Sash
Whatever Nature
No EV's
--Endeavor
--IceShard
--Nothing
--Nothing

Sure it's gimped by Extremespeed like moves/sandstorm/hail, but it's very fun to use...

Phanpy is immune to Sandstorm.

Many Pokemon can achieve FEAR, including Kangaskhan, Poliwrath, Zangoose, Sceptile, Togekiss, Shaymin, Infernape, etc.
(Of course, Sceptile, Togekiss, and Infernape can't be obtained at level 1, but their pre-evolved forms can also FEAR; Poliwag and Poliwhirl cannot FEAR)
edit Also, a full list here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/FEAR

[killin_kobra]

I pimped out a Chimchar. Took a long time.
But now I have one that knows Ice, Fire and Electric Punch.
Plus lvl 100

[Ichida]

The strategy mentioned in the first post means nothing unless the Pokemon has adequate HP, Defense, and/or Special Defense, enough to take at least one hit from the kings of the OU. Unfortunately, 60%~ of Pokemon do not.

[Shadow]

Step 1: Give Sableye Wonder Guard
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit!

Though of course, this would cause people to start packing Foresight (hah!).

[Cortes]

I stand by my previous statement. IMO, Kecleon is one of if not the best cleaner in the UU metagame and one of the best cleaners period.

[Ichida]

Feh, UU. It's like ordering elementary school kids to slap each other, while at the same time directly behind you there are dragons waiting for your order to blast each other. XD

[Cortes]

Well, it's just a different metagame altogether. That's the whole point of tiers.
I'd seriously consider moving Kecleon to Borderline due to my success with it in battles with some OUs (Milotic, Tyranitar, Gyarados and Salamences weren't too difficult for it).

Plus it's just my bias for cool-looking pokes too.