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Alternative
April 13th, 2009, 01:21 AM
Okay, so I tried this team out a little in Shoddy and have won a few battles, so I though I'd get it rated and make a few changes.

Team at a Glance:
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The Team


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Bronzong @ Leftovers
252 HP, 72 Atk, 110 Def, 76 Sp. Def
Relaxed
Levitate
~ Hypnosis
~ Stealth Rock
~ Gyro Ball
~ Earthquake

Thanks th D_A for my new Bronzong Lead


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Tyranitar @ Life Orb
252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Jolly
Sand Stream
~ Dragon Dance
~ Fire Punch
~ Crunch
~ Rock Slide

I'm willing to change this to a choice bander if I must, since I never use Dragon Dance, or change this pokemon to a Metagross or something. Anyway, Crunch takes out the likes of Alakazam and Gengar, Rock Slide for Fliers like Zapdos and Fire Punch for others like Bronzong and Magnezone.


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Dugtrio @ Choice Band
252 Atk, 216 Speed, 40 HP
Jolly
Arena Trap
~ Aerial Ace
~ Night Slash
~ Rock Slide
~ Earthquake

Dugtrio is my Revenge Killer for the team, but I'd be willing to change him very quickly, since he can't kill and dies too quickly. Might replace with Forretress or something.


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Lucario @ Wise Glasses
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Timid
Inner Focus
~ Calm Mind
~ Aura Sphere
~ Vacuum Wave
~ Shadow Ball

I need a special sweeper, so I chose Lucario, and took advantage of it's higher base Special Attack. After one Calm Mind, Lucario is able to wreak havoc all over the game, taking out Ghosts and Psychics with Shadow Ball, and Darks, Rocks and other Steels with Aura Sphere. Vacuum Wave is for faster opponents.


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Jirachi @ Leftovers
240 HP, 160 Def, 32 Speed, 76 Sp. Def
Impish
Serene Grace
~ Thunder Wave
~ Wish
~ U-Turn
~ Iron Head

Jirachi is my Wish support, being able to cripple most with T-Wave, Wish, then U-Turn it out of there to Tyranitar or Lucario. Iron Head is for flinching slower opponents, thanks to Serene Grace.



Overall Result: I know I have a massive fire weakness, with Jirachi. Lucario and Bronzong, but I will somehow get over that. I now need a new Pokemon for my team and could use some suggestions. Changes are in Bold

Dark Azelf
April 13th, 2009, 01:46 AM
Aero Doesnt seem to be doing alot here. Lead with Zong but dont use that set up fodder set. STalker have and will always be rather useless in such a fast paced metagame.

Bronzong@Leftovers
252 HP / 72 ATT / 110 DEF / 76 SP.DEF
Relaxed Nature
Trait : levitate
- Hypnosis
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Stealth Rock

plz.

You have a Close Combat weakness, no fighting resist. Put one >> Aero.



Adamant on DD Tar sucks in all honesty, use Jolly and give it a life orb so you can actually outspeed things after a DD and do damage. (Seriously, 332 speed after a DD with adamant is awful >_>)

I find DD Tar works best with scarf hp fire magnezone support since people seem to think that scizor is a tar check when in reality it is one of THE most awful things to switch into tar, but hey it removes BP Scizor for you without using such a blarg item as Bibari berry.

Although that wouldnt be good for this team unless you replaced ALOT of members because you have too similar types with too similar weaknesses, this is not the way to go. Not ALL your pokemon have to immune to SS this is extremely restrictive of your options.

Gyarados 6-0's you, Scizor destroys you. Its all well and good to base a team around a theme but this team is to put it nicely, metagame weak. Use this (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=168147) because it really is a decent threat list and i urge you to take note of it. I hate doing this because it makes me sound harsh lol, but it is for your own good, basically it needs a major revamp.

Pokedra
April 13th, 2009, 03:04 AM
You need 6 Pokemon ;)

Put in something to stop Gyarados else it'll 6-0 you after a DD(ScarfGar and Celebi work) . CB Scizor rapes you. DDMence destroys you after a DD.

For the 6th slot I'd put ScarfGar as it could take care of Mence and Gyarados. Solid team :)

Anti
April 13th, 2009, 03:22 AM
Solid team :)

That's NOT what the OP needs when this team clearly isn't anywhere near solid. -_-

Anyway, surprised nobody mentioned this...a Sandstorm team doesn't mean that every member has to be immune to SS damage. Ground, Rock, and Steel share all kinds of weaknesses, and it leaves your team a defensive (and offensive) mess, as D_A outlined. That has a lot to do with what makes this team so ineffective and unstable. Add some diversity and it will be better...

...And that doesn't mean throw in Vaporeon and call it a day. Then you rely far too heavily on one Pokemon (which quite frankly lacks the pure defenses to be the sole anchor of a team). Two Pokemon that cover the other fours' weaknesses usually works. Just don't restrict yourself with typing too much.

.
April 13th, 2009, 03:24 AM
What I dislike about 99% of Sandstorm teams is that they are all unable to take Water attacks. Yes, most of them use Vaporeon and call it a day (which doesn't work, since almost every offensive Water-type has an Electric move to help against their water-dwelling brethren), but that doesn't work. This team in particular is extremely vulnerable to offensive Water-types, such as Starmie, Gyarados, and even Suicune. Not only do all of them have the ability to 2HKO everything on your team (Suicune needs a Calm Mind boost), but they outrun/live whatever you can throw at them. Gyarados is probably the worst, as you have no defense against it at all. A Dragon Dancer with Waterfall / Earthquake / Stone Edge 6-0s you without any hesitation, and it can set up easily on Dugtrio locked in Earthquake.

Okay, enough pointing out the problem, let's look for a solution. Among the top counters for Gyarados include Porygon2, Vaporeon, Tangrowth, and Slowbro. Vaporeon offers Wish support, as well as a switch-in for Heatran. Porygon2 does the same, however, it doesn't offer Wish support, but also grants you a switch-in on Jolteon, Salamence, as well as a way to paralyse things, so that's a decent option. Sadly, it doesn't beat Starmie, though you could revenge kill it with Dugtrio.

Overall, I'd probably remove one of your guys for Porygon2, and another for something like Celebi or even Blissey. Heatran mauls you up pretty bad. Scizor also destroys you, Lucario being your only option. I'd honestly turn Jirachi into Superachi, with Calm Mind / Psychic / HP Fire / Grass Knot. It can beat Suicune most of the time, and lures and OHKOs Scizor. Really consider it over your current spread.

EDIT: Jesus Christ Anti, we both make fun of Sandstorm teams with the "add a Vaporeon and call it a day" line, lol.

EDIT2: I find it a bit funny you say you "won a few battles" when you only have 5 Pokemon =/