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SoulRed12
April 24th, 2009, 12:22 PM
I have a flygon on my Emerald, and I wanted it to be able to fight back against ice poke's, so I taught it fire blast via tm. Since it's relatively fast I figured I could get off an attack before the other poke could use icebeam/blizzard etc. But it's nearing learning hyper beam now and I was wondering, since hyper beam has 150 power and flygon's attack is so much higher than its special attack, would it be better to swap out hyper beam for fire blast?

Here's the stats:
Flygon Lv. 60 @Scope Lens
Lonely nature
Body Slam
Sandstorm
DragonBreath (Likely soon to be dragonClaw)
Fireblast (or hyper beam?)

HP: 188
At: 191
De: 99
S/a: 126
S/d: 120
Sp: 143

I forget exactly the evs I gave it but I'm pretty sure it was all in attack and speed. I think, it was a while since I first ev trained it.

Anyways any thoughts?

shanecdavis
April 24th, 2009, 09:01 PM
Stay away from Hyper Beam. It is a horrible move. Your moveset needs a lot of work too. Fire Blast is perfect for Flygon, but here is what you want to work towards:

- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Rock Slide
- Substitute/Quick Attack

There is nothing better than Flygon with a STAB Earthquake. Sub is great, but Quick Attack is a great finishing move.

Tyranitar042
April 24th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Im going to say one thing go ahead and go with what shanecdavis is saying he has helped me out with a ddttar and a umbreon a while back and he is very knowledgeable and can help with any poke you want help with. kudos to shanecdavis

True Reign
April 24th, 2009, 09:59 PM
I have a flygon on my Emerald, and I wanted it to be able to fight back against ice poke's, so I taught it fire blast via tm. Since it's relatively fast I figured I could get off an attack before the other poke could use icebeam/blizzard etc. But it's nearing learning hyper beam now and I was wondering, since hyper beam has 150 power and flygon's attack is so much higher than its special attack, would it be better to swap out hyper beam for fire blast?

Here's the stats:
Flygon Lv. 60 @Scope Lens
Lonely nature
Body Slam
Sandstorm
DragonBreath (Likely soon to be dragonClaw)
Fireblast (or hyper beam?)

HP: 188
At: 191
De: 99
S/a: 126
S/d: 120
Sp: 143

I forget exactly the evs I gave it but I'm pretty sure it was all in attack and speed. I think, it was a while since I first ev trained it.

Anyways any thoughts?
Hyper Beam is probably the worst move you can teach a higher level Pokemon. Your right about Fire Blast, though, so leave it on your moveset. Replace Sandstorm and Body Slam with Earthquake and Substitute for a good defensive, and offensive, set for Flygon.

warudo.kun!
April 24th, 2009, 10:35 PM
it sounds too overpowered. fire blast & hyper beam makes everything not fun, and the possibility for it to work in battle is lower than most moves.

Gold95
April 25th, 2009, 02:10 AM
Hyper Beam is the worst move which is a 2 move attack
Fire Blast would be my choice as everyone says ...-^_^-

Wichu
April 25th, 2009, 04:05 AM
For in-game, you don't need Substitute. Substitute is a one-time only move tutor (I think), so you're better off saving it for later. It's not even that useful unless you're doing link battles. Rock Slide, despite being a really good choice, costs 48 BP at the Battle Frontier. If you don't have enough BP, Rock Tomb is an acceptable replacement (despite having much lower base power). It still hits Flying-types, which Earthquake can't do. I'm not sure on the last move, but keep in mind that Dragon Claw is a special attack.

Alpha de Splash
April 25th, 2009, 06:10 AM
if you really wanted to keep those original moves, i would recommend flamethrower as a more stable alternative to fireblast. fireblast can be a bit inaccurate, but hyper beam will cost you an entire turn. plus, fire moves do well against ice types among others

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 10:04 AM
Excellent advice guys, thanks. One problem... where can I get earthquake again? I used the TM on my swampert already =/ (which I still have in my party)

If there's nowhere, then...any other ideas for a replacement?

Also, I'm fine for rock slide; I've got lots of BP's saved up.

Once I finish replacing a few pokemon I'm going to post my entire team on these forums, you guys sound pretty knowledgeable. ^_^

Sweet Candace
April 25th, 2009, 11:22 AM
There is no second Earthquake TM (unless you can trade with someone who's got it). You can also breed to get this move.

A replacement for Earthquake...I'm not sure excatly. Try Rock Slide.

Imagine.
April 25th, 2009, 11:29 AM
But thats a psychical flygon..... SE would be better.

True Reign
April 25th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Excellent advice guys, thanks. One problem... where can I get earthquake again? I used the TM on my swampert already =/ (which I still have in my party)

If there's nowhere, then...any other ideas for a replacement?

Also, I'm fine for rock slide; I've got lots of BP's saved up.

Once I finish replacing a few pokemon I'm going to post my entire team on these forums, you guys sound pretty knowledgeable. ^_^
Rock Slide is a good replacement for Earthquake.

Why did you teach your Swampert Earthquake? It learns it as it's last move I think.

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 12:07 PM
-;4580947']Rock Slide is a good replacement for Earthquake.

Why did you teach your Swampert Earthquake? It learns it as it's last move I think.
Shoot, I didn't even know that O_O I saw endeavor at the bottom, and I assumed earthquake would be last so I thought he didn't learn it. I should have looked harder.

So you guys are saying I should have:

-F/blast
-R/slide
-Q/attack or sub (since q/attack would require breeding...)
-And what should go here? DragonBreath/Claw maybe?

zenix
April 25th, 2009, 03:11 PM
Definitley choose Fire Blast, great high hitting, pretty accurate move, Hyper Beam just FAILS, it has to recharge and it really is not worth the time, plus its really not that strong.

Ninja Caterpie
April 25th, 2009, 03:26 PM
Read the posts, he's already decided not to get Hyper Beam.

If you do decide to go breed for Quick Attack, try to get it EQ as well.

ckn
April 25th, 2009, 04:06 PM
deffinatly fireblast before hyperbeam but to be honest you would be better off with flamethrower with more pp and better accuarcy

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Read the posts, he's already decided not to get Hyper Beam.

If you do decide to go breed for Quick Attack, try to get it EQ as well.
I've been trying to think of a strategy to do that...It's not one of its egg moves, nor can anyone it its egg group learn the move...and I can't breed a flygon with my swampert (to pass it on from a tm) so... =/

Any ideas?

ShinjisLover
April 25th, 2009, 04:49 PM
Fire Blast, definitely. Besides, Attack stat doesn't matter with Hyper Beam. Special attack does. Just thought I'd point that out.

Bibliophibian
April 25th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Actually in Gen III, Hyper Beam is still physical I think. It didn't become special until Gen IV.

Anyway, if you can't breed for EQ, you could trade the TM over from another game I suppose? Other than that there's a slim chance of getting the TM through the Pickup ability in Emerald or D/P. (1% for a lvl 91-100 Pokemon). Awful odds, but if you really want it, it's always an option I guess.

ShinjisLover
April 25th, 2009, 06:47 PM
No, I just checked it and there was nothing about it being a Physical move. Ever.

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 06:57 PM
No, I just checked it and there was nothing about it being a Physical move. Ever.

Actually, it's normal type, so it's physical. Normal, rock, fighting, ground, bug, steel, flying, and poison attacks are all physical. In Gen IV, it became special because it wasn't a contact move.

Anyways, still looking for another move. I'm thinking dragon claw. But I dunno.

Zorua
April 25th, 2009, 06:59 PM
Okay, let me explain something:

If he's talking about Generation III, then yes, hyper beam is physical because just about all normal type moves were considered physical. However...

What's recommended for Gen III is a special Flygon. Let me explain why:

Flygon@Choice Specs(I think they had this in Gen III?)
Mild Nature


Earthquake(For STAB, of course. You can't forget the awesomeness and strength that is Earthquake when combined with stab
Dragon Claw(Dragon Claw is considered a special move in Gen III, hence is also why I chose Mild for best stab)
Flamethrower(Not only would this be beneficial to the nature, but also to pokemon like skarmory and other pokemon that resist EQ and Dragon Claw)
Rock slide (For the flyers and ice types that get in the way)

Though the choice specs is BEST used when considering Dragon Claw. Otherwise, just stick with Leftovers or something of that sort. D:

But I really hope this is Emerald you're playing, so you could regain Earthquake and the such after you've used them.

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 07:10 PM
Okay, let me explain something:

If he's talking about Generation III, then yes, hyper beam is physical because just about all normal type moves were considered physical. However...

What's recommended for Gen III is a special Flygon. Let me explain why:

Flygon@Choice Specs(I think they had this in Gen III?)
Mild Nature


Earthquake(For STAB, of course. You can't forget the awesomeness and strength that is Earthquake when combined with stab
Dragon Claw(Dragon Claw is considered a special move in Gen III, hence is also why I chose Mild for best stab)
Flamethrower(Not only would this be beneficial to the nature, but also to pokemon like skarmory and other pokemon that resist EQ and Dragon Claw)
Rock slide (For the flyers and ice types that get in the way)

Though the choice specs is BEST used when considering Dragon Claw. Otherwise, just stick with Leftovers or something of that sort. D:

But I really hope this is Emerald you're playing, so you could regain Earthquake and the such after you've used them.
No choice specs, only choice band in Gen III. Yeah I'm playing emerald, how do you mean I can regain it? Through pickup I'm assuming?

Zorua
April 25th, 2009, 07:16 PM
No choice specs, only choice band in Gen III. Yeah I'm playing emerald, how do you mean I can regain it? Through pickup I'm assuming?

I believe the Battle Fronteir in Emerald offers it.

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 08:07 PM
I believe the Battle Fronteir in Emerald offers it.
Nope, I just checked, it isn't offered =/ (unless it's somewhere other than the exchange corner or the room with the two old lady move tutors)

Zorua
April 25th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Nope, I just checked, it isn't offered =/ (unless it's somewhere other than the exchange corner or the room with the two old lady move tutors)

No, I believe they don't even offer that... .__.

Though I refuse to believe that Earthquake is just a one-use TM and that you can't really get it back through other means.

SoulRed12
April 25th, 2009, 08:16 PM
No, I believe they don't even offer that... .__.

Though I refuse to believe that Earthquake is just a one-use TM and that you can't really get it back through other means.
So far, all I can find is that you can have a 1% chance to get the TM back through a level 91 zigzagoon with pickup. =/

BLARGH!! lol.

I suppose I will just have to pick another move to replace it. I don't feel like leveling a zigzagoon. =p

shanecdavis
April 25th, 2009, 11:52 PM
Wow. A lot of bad information being bandied about around here. Physical Flygon is better than Special Flygon. It is as simple as that. You use Fire Blast over Flamethrower because Flygon's base SAtk is only 80 and you want Adamant Flygon in order to take advantage of its base Atk of 100.

I would definitely suggest getting TM26 through Pickup. Just battle Gabby a few times with a Zigzagoon in the second slot with Protect, and a strong Pokemon in the first slot with Explosion/Selfdestruct. Use Explosion/Selfdesctruct and Zigzagoon gets all the Exp points. Once it reaches Lv21, start item farming as you get Rare Candies 5% of the time. Once it reahes Lv41 it increases to 10%. Between item farming and battling Gabby, you will have a Lv91 Linoon in no time. Then go to BF and clone 5 other Lv91 Linoone. Item farm some more and you will have TM26 in no time. Very much worth the effort.

BTW - Substitute is a great move to use in-game, as the computer will invariably use non-attacking moves and won't take steps to either prevent of blast through Subs like a human opponent will.

pokerus34
April 26th, 2009, 12:04 AM
I have my own opinion!

HyperBeam is good for my Flygon, even if it's a 2 round attack...

I think it's worth it!

A powerful attack hits and can instantly kill an enemy!

Sucks for you though if it doesnt hit! Mine always hit! No miss!

Fireblast? I think it's good too! :)

P.S. = Try that Fireblast out! Roar! ;) xd

shanecdavis
April 26th, 2009, 12:19 AM
Here is the problem with Hyper Beam. While that 150 AP looks good, Earthquake is also 150 AP since Flygon gets STAB bonus. Not only is it just as powerful, but you also don't risk having to miss a turn. Not to mention the fact that some types are weak to Ground attacks while NO type is weak to Normal attacks. Hyper Beam really is worthless overall, but especially on Flygon. QuakeSlide ftw.

SoulRed12
April 26th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Wow. A lot of bad information being bandied about around here. Physical Flygon is better than Special Flygon. It is as simple as that. You use Fire Blast over Flamethrower because Flygon's base SAtk is only 80 and you want Adamant Flygon in order to take advantage of its base Atk of 100.

I would definitely suggest getting TM26 through Pickup. Just battle Gabby a few times with a Zigzagoon in the second slot with Protect, and a strong Pokemon in the first slot with Explosion/Selfdestruct. Use Explosion/Selfdesctruct and Zigzagoon gets all the Exp points. Once it reaches Lv21, start item farming as you get Rare Candies 5% of the time. Once it reahes Lv41 it increases to 10%. Between item farming and battling Gabby, you will have a Lv91 Linoon in no time. Then go to BF and clone 5 other Lv91 Linoone. Item farm some more and you will have TM26 in no time. Very much worth the effort.

BTW - Substitute is a great move to use in-game, as the computer will invariably use non-attacking moves and won't take steps to either prevent of blast through Subs like a human opponent will.
Excellent strategy, I will try it...

EDIT: Wait, you mean "Gabby" the TV Reporter woman right?

Well I think that about wraps it up here guys, thanks for all your help. One last question, about these forums actually; once I get my emerald team in order, where can I go to post the entire thing for critique? I know there's a strategies forum but I assume that's only for online net battling? (shoddy battle, etc.)

shanecdavis
April 28th, 2009, 12:46 AM
You can post there, or you can post in the My Pokemon Team sticky thread at the top (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=161712). Just remember to pay attention to the natures of your Pokemon and use them to your advantage.

Ninja Caterpie
April 28th, 2009, 01:07 AM
Post the whole team properly, with what each does, their EVs, natures, etc, and read the Team posting sticky.

Then just post it in Strategies and Movesets - it's for any properly made team rate. Just state that it IS Emerald, or people will be liek "omg why no life orb".