HeartGold/SoulSilver Speculation

[ShinyMeganium]

........Way to lower our spirits >>
It's only for your own good. You'll keep getting disappointed until you'll realize the only games you'll have Orange Islands at are Naranja and Liquid Crystal. Don't blame the good guy o:

And blah, there is a chance for Sevii. First, I read someone's explanation why it should be in and I think he was right. Secondly, it won't be an identical remake, they'll probably include all the places they ruined in Kanto in first place.

[Ariados133]

Even though its the first pokemon i your party that follows you around they all stay roughly the same size like cyndaquil and tyranitar are nearly the same size its based on the sprites in the Party screen (:

[Keyaki]

An EV/IV counter app would be useful, no doubt, but I really can't see Nintendo actually making it. They seem to like to keep those values hidden to the player, and don't even make official references to those values; they just say things like "properly training your Pokemon" and "individual differences between Pokemon." So it would seem odd that in any Pokemon game they'd give you direct access to that information.
It sure would be helpful though, I can't keep track of EV to save my life


It's only for your own good.

my a** ................

[ShinyMeganium]

If they'll give us a calc again we can use it to make it more comfortable o:

And Keya, I started cracking up here XDDD

[MizuJosh]

I haven't played my LeafGreen in like 2 years, so firgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get to Sevii Islands through Cinnabar? And Cinnabar is destroyed? My hope for Sevii is officially gone now.

[Dillon_68]

I haven't played my LeafGreen in like 2 years, so firgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get to Sevii Islands through Cinnabar? And Cinnabar is destroyed? My hope for Sevii is officially gone now.

Actually, its from the dock at Vermillion.

[Hiiro]

I haven't played my LeafGreen in like 2 years, so firgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get to Sevii Islands through Cinnabar? And Cinnabar is destroyed? My hope for Sevii is officially gone now.

No, you are correct, in FRLG we first got to travel to the Sevii Islands from Cinnabar Island. We got there with Bill when his friend on Island One needed help with his machine. However, the reason it began from there is because it needed to play along with the storyline of the game. Now that the main storyline with the Sevii Islands have passed since three years [according to the game's timeline], transportation there would probably have to be through other terms for the remakes if it were to show up once more.

Actually, its from the dock at Vermillion.

No, we first got to travel to the Sevii Islands from Cinnabar Island with Bill. However, once we recieved the ticket to go back and forth betweek Kanto and the Island, that is when the Vermillion City docks were used.

[Ellie]

It could easily just be from the S.S. Aqua like the rest of the ship transport. Maybe on the days it didn't take you between Kanto and Johto it could take you to the Sevii Islands? But I suppose that could end up with the player being stranded... so if that were to happen there would need to be an alternate (though possibly more difficult) means of getting there. Or just have it offered all the time :P

[Mew~]

ive been seeing alot of this on other thread that have nothing to do with the pal park so i thought i would make a thread on it!

Do you think the pal park will be in heart gold and soul silver?
There could be a possibility and even if the dsi doesnt have a gba slot, looking at other games like guitar hero they might just add it anyway because it was a great feature to diamond pearl and platinum.... they still kept it in platinum didnt they and i think platinum was relaesed after or around the same time as the DSI?
It might even take over the old safari area?
http://www.serebii.net/platinum/palpark.png(lol no$gba pic XD)

So dissuss what you think?

Heres a pic i made:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6713/54303958.png
Nothing real its FAKE! i just rubbed out the dp OW and put in the hg ss OW

[mustard97]

Yeah im looking forward to see the pal park in HG and SS, i think it might be possible. Maybe to migrate from diamond pearl and platinum because of no GBA slot.
I hope that the migration could be likee.. get to the hg ss main screen, take out card, replace with DPPT card and it should come up in the menu :D. Hope it does come.

[Mew~]

Do you think they will add the gs ball into these new games?
I think they might... i know it was only in crystal but looking at how they added eusine (they guy whos madly in love with suicune) to the gold and siler remakes... maybe they will add it...?

For those of you who dont know what the GS ball is (NOOBS!) its a event item used to catch celebi at Ilex forest (also where you meet the notched eared pichu). Some people belive GS stands for gold and silver.

http://www.geocities.com/pokemontours2/indexes/objects/balls/GS-ball_holdup.png

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news04/img_news_04_01.jpg

[Mew~]

Yeah im looking forward to see the pal park in HG and SS, i think it might be possible. Maybe to migrate from diamond pearl and platinum because of no GBA slot.
I hope that the migration could be likee.. get to the hg ss main screen, take out card, replace with DPPT card and it should come up in the menu :D. Hope it does come.
O.O action replay funtion.... naughty.... Lol joke thats not such a bad idea! and it is possible!

[ShinyMeganium]

I haven't played my LeafGreen in like 2 years, so firgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get to Sevii Islands through Cinnabar? And Cinnabar is destroyed? My hope for Sevii is officially gone now.
No, that was the place where we were told about this place. Basically "what happened" was Bill took you to Vermillion, then Red and Bill took a boat there, though they didn't show that part.

And anyways, considering Sevii Islands will be added and/or Kanto will be fixed, we might get Cinnabar to be fixed too.

Oh, edit: for the guy above me - I think the DS is a smart enough console, so when you go to the guy who asks you where to go in Vermillion, they'll let you choose "Johto/Sevii Islands", and if you'll choose Sevii Islands they'll give you a choice of which island.

[ShinyMeganium]

Considering Celebi needs some event to get inside the games, not-including a stupid Mystery Gift, they might sell it as an event item (see Oak's Letter and others).

[Xeo]

Some people belive GS stands for gold and silver.

It could also stand for GameShark. :]

[Mew~]

It could also stand for GameShark. :]
erm... i doubt that........

[CakeForTheSoul]

Do you think they will add the gs ball into these new games?
I think they might... i know it was only in crystal but looking at how they added eusine (they guy whos madly in love with suicune) to the gold and siler remakes... maybe they will add it...?

For those of you who dont know what the GS ball is (NOOBS!) its a event item used to catch celebi at Ilex forest (also where you meet the notched eared pichu). Some people belive GS stands for gold and silver.

http://www.geocities.com/pokemontours2/indexes/objects/balls/GS-ball_holdup.png

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/news/images/news04/img_news_04_01.jpg
You will most likely get it as an Event Item that will unlock the area one of my favorite legends are in.

[fenyx4]

No, that was the place where we were told about this place. Basically "what happened" was Bill took you to Vermillion, then Red and Bill took a boat there, though they didn't show that part.

And anyways, considering Sevii Islands will be added and/or Kanto will be fixed, we might get Cinnabar to be fixed too.

Oh, edit: for the guy above me - I think the DS is a smart enough console, so when you go to the guy who asks you where to go in Vermillion, they'll let you choose "Johto/Sevii Islands", and if you'll choose Sevii Islands they'll give you a choice of which island.


I distinctly remember a Seagallop boat actually pulling up to Cinnabar Island with Bill there waiting on its arrival.  Plus, if you decline sidetracking after defeating Blaine at the Cinnabar Gym, Bill will just wait at the Cinnabar Pokemon Center until you want to go.  Why would Bill or the player have to go out of their way just to go to Vermillion City?  It's closer to Bill's house than Cinnabar Island, so Bill would've just gone to Vermillion instead of the out-of-his-way Cinnabar Isle.  
The Seagallop docking at Cinnabar Isle instead was probably a special event for Bill's case (or the Seagallop was close in proximity to Cinnabar Isle at the time), and the player just happened to be in Cinnabar as well...   Since Cinnabar Isle doesn't have a normal dock, the docks of Vermillion City are used for normal travel to the Sevii Islands...

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE3KljxTKco


More on-topic, I still feel that the Sevii Islands will be present in HG/SS, and you'll probably use travel from Vermillion City's Seagallops once again...

[Ash493]

Since Celebi isn't really the pokemon which Nintendo wants to put in game...
I bet on that GS Ball will be event item

[Vespinus]

I really wish they'd make a Bug type legend. Sorry, going off topic there.

Um... Yes, I think they'll add it in, but as an event.

[LegendMaster97]

arceus with an Insect Plate.

But they will probably distribute it at toys r us like a week after the game comes out after you beat the E4

[Munch Dog]

It'd be nice, to finally be able to catch Celebi legitimately. They did it with Mew in Emerald, why not Celebi with these remakes?

[e4darthteej]

It'd be nice, to finally be able to catch Celebi legitimately. They did it with Mew in Emerald, why not Celebi with these remakes?

We also need a Jirachi with an in-game location, seriously I'm just going to hack an event island into FireRed if they don't do that.

[Fantomix]

Yeah, I reckon they will. We needs us some Celebi - how else are we to get that kawaii onion head, desu? Hopefully it's a Wi-fi event though, for us down under. Although, if the latest events have told us anything, it will be 8D.

Also:

For those of you who dont know what the GS ball is (NOOBS!)

...For those who don't know how info is stored on DS carts (NOOBS!)
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/Stefansawad/trollface.png

[bobandbill]

Merged speculation on if a Celebi event with the GS ball will occur here with the speculation thread. Same for the Pal Park thread.

[Hiiro]

For the Pal Park, I really wouldn't think of it making an appearance in HeartGold and SoulSilver. The reason why I say this is because with the DSi not including a GBA Slot within the system, I'd say the remakes will become more soley independant from the older GBA cartridges in which it wouldn't require a Pal Park. Not to mention, with DPPt and the new remakes, the game wouldn't really need a Pal Park as the player will be able to complete nearly their entire PokéDex between the two games. The reason why Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza are making their way into Johto is so gamers wouldn't need the help of migration or trade to aquire them. So, no, I don't think there will be a Pal Park in the remakes like there was in DPPt.

As for the GS Ball making a return to the games, then yes, I would have to agree on that idea. Celebi is one Pokémon who hasn't had a held event in awhile and so with the remakes it seems probable that an event with Celebi may occur. With this being said, I strongly believe that the GS Ball will make a reappearance through either a Wi-Fi or Toys 'R Us event so players can activate Celebi like it was done in Crystal [except this time it'll be worldwide without the use of phones].

[Fiery Dash]

We also need a Jirachi with an in-game location, seriously I'm just going to hack an event island into FireRed if they don't do that. Seriously I don't think there's a need for Jirachi with in-game genereation in Hg/Ss... I'd rather them to put it in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald remakes (if there's gonna be...)

[onyx79]

will the safari will be like advance map for the 3rd gen games when you can change almost everything in the map?

[Fiery Dash]

will the safari will be like advance map for the 3rd gen games when you can change almost everything in the map?
What do you mean on this one?
Do you mean the graphics?
Well if if it is, well then the graphics are actually very similar to DPP.
Have you seen the screenshots already?

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

will the safari will be like advance map for the 3rd gen games when you can change almost everything in the map?
No, not quite. You're thinking too much of this.

[Pirate Dave]

I want this:

A move tutor whose sole role is to teach Alakazam Heat Wave, Nasty Plot and Aura Sphere.

Not gonna happen you say? Yeah you're probably right… :'(

[Hiiro]

will the safari will be like advance map for the 3rd gen games when you can change almost everything in the map?

If you mean you would like the adcanced map such as the one from a ROM Hack, then I wouldn't see that coming. The reason being is because HeartGold and SoulSilver are more so an official Game Freak product and not a fan based game being produced through hacks. So, with this being said an advanced map to be produced in the games wouldn't be likely for the Safari Zone. As for the customization feature, so far all most of us know is that it is where we can alter the positions of each area so players can arrive there faster without the waste of the amount of steps being made.

[Ellie]

I thought the Safari Zone was only going to have 6 areas that you could simply move around to be in whichever position you wanted? That isn't super-customizable, but it just saves you steps.

And while there undoubtedly won't be a tutor just for one Pokemon and three moves, there could be tutors for the individual moves. A Nasty Plot tutor would be awesome since we have SD for physicals.

[Pirate Dave]

And while there undoubtedly won't be a tutor just for one Pokemon and three moves, there could be tutors for the individual moves. A Nasty Plot tutor would be awesome since we have SD for physicals.

Hehe I know, I know. I just want Alakazam to stay usable or get better, cos I have visions of him getting no improvements and all his counters getting even more improvements to the point where I cant use my favourite Pokémon for WiFi battles lol.

[Hiiro]

Hehe I know, I know. I just want Alakazam to stay usable or get better, cos I have visions of him getting no improvements and all his counters getting even more improvements to the point where I cant use my favourite Pokémon for WiFi battles lol.

Looking back at Platinum, it pretty much set up the standards for Wi-Fi Competitive play in Pokémon. Alakazam is known to be a great Special Sweeper when it comes to a Special Attacker along with its great speed. So, I wouldn't really think of HeartGold and SoulSilver bringing in anything new to the metagame from where things stand now as it may all just follow what Platinum itself has introduced just recently. So I think, Alakazam, possibly with a few new move tutor extras would be the same beneficial Pokémon it was before and even after the new remakes are released. The same would go with every other major Pokémon used within competitive play as they all have their own weaknesses as well as advantages in battle.

[Pirate Dave]

Looking back at Platinum, it pretty much set up the standards for Wi-Fi Competitive play in Pokémon. Alakazam is known to be a great Special Sweeper when it comes to a Special Attacker along with its great speed. So, I wouldn't really think of HeartGold and SoulSilver bringing in anything new to the metagame from where things stand now as it may all just follow what Platinum itself has introduced just recently. So I think, Alakazam, possibly with a few new move tutor extras would be the same beneficial Pokémon it was before and even after the new remakes are released. The same would go with every other major Pokémon used within competitive play as they all have their own weaknesses as well as advantages in battle.

I think to be honest, if I could realistically pick one move for him to learn which he doesnt atm it would be Heat Wave. It seems to not be blasted from the mouth like Flamethrower and Fire Blast, so its conceivable he could cause a Heat Wave with his mind, plus it would really help him with the loss of Fire Punch, a move I think is the most sorely missed since the Physical / Special split.

This probably wont happen tho, they'll probably just give even more things Pursuit to doom him forever lol.

[Ellie]

Well, Zam already has a pretty good moveset. And if it couldn't learn Heat Wave in Platinum, it's not that likely that it'll be able to learn Heat Wave in HgSs, even if the tutor does make a return.

[Pirate Dave]

Well, Zam already has a pretty good moveset. And if it couldn't learn Heat Wave in Platinum, it's not that likely that it'll be able to learn Heat Wave in HgSs, even if the tutor does make a return.

*sigh* Yeah… I can dream tho lol.

[Fiery Dash]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/11035794/19606271/372035765.jpg
See the lady on the right, the one who had Butterfree next to her? (Who gives TM12 Sweet Scent.)
Well I think she had "reappear"(note the lady with Butterfree) in Hg/Ss or at least she's a similar character:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/11035794/22382054/371949640.jpg
Since TM12 is not Sweet Scent anymore(most likely in Hg/Ss as it's 4th Gen),
I think she's a Move Tutor of Sweet Scent...(means there's Move Tutor in Hg/Ss, but not officially proven yet..) Or maybe it's just a concidence that they are both woman and have Butterfree...

[ShinyMeganium]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/11035794/19606271/372035765.jpg
See the lady on the right, the one who had Butterfree next to her? (Who gives TM12 Sweet Scent.)
Well I think she had "reappear"(note the lady with Butterfree) in Hg/Ss or at least she's a similar character:
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1427/11035794/22382054/371949640.jpg
Since TM12 is not Sweet Scent anymore(most likely in Hg/Ss as it's 4th Gen),
I think she's a Move Tutor of Sweet Scent...(means there's Move Tutor in Hg/Ss, but not officially proven yet..) Or maybe it's just a concidence that they are both woman and have Butterfree...
Probably, but she might appear in 2 places, cause I don't think she's important enough to change location.

Btw, where is this in the 2nd picture? Is it the new Safari?

[Camisado]

Probably, but she might appear in 2 places, cause I don't think she's important enough to change location.

Btw, where is this in the 2nd picture? Is it the new Safari?

Yes - the Japanese in the top left of the HGSS screencap says "Safari Zone Gate". =)

Also now I think about it, it might make sense for her to teach Sweet Scent there. I can't remember if you're allowed to take Pokémon in or not, but wouldn't Sweet Scent be handy in the Safari Zone?

[Dark Nero]

Well, l can't wait untill it comes out, been wanting a remake of G/S for a long time and l hope it lives up to expectations. l have been hearing things about PCP & NZ Jrachi supposedly unlocking things in G/S, and was thinking that GF are now having little ingame easter eggs for fans to get to the events.
But is it true?

[Mew~]

Its kinda true... the jirachis unlock things in the pokewalker... areas....

[Ellie]

^Of course you are, otherwise you wouldn't be able to Surf, which has been an important part of getting through the SF quickly since Gen 1 :P

But that does seem plausible. It could just be a coincidence, but as said, it seems suspicious that they're both females with a Butterfree, and Sweet Scent would be a convenient move for the SF.

[Camisado]

^Of course you are, otherwise you wouldn't be able to Surf, which has been an important part of getting through the SF quickly since Gen 1 :P

But that does seem plausible. It could just be a coincidence, but as said, it seems suspicious that they're both females with a Butterfree, and Sweet Scent would be a convenient move for the SF.

I realise this now. I was thinking about something else, clearly. xD

It'd be great for the Safari Zone. More Pokémon encounters, less wandering around.

[Eggie Poo Poo]

Sorry to sound noob but, what is PCP & NZ?

[Hamilton]

Subject Reroute
My CPU Crashed, So I'm Trying To Catch Up On Things- Tell Me If You Already Covered It, But Also Tell Me Your Thoughts On This
Pokethlon-
It Looks Very Cool
Is It What's Replacing Contests? Usually When I Beat A Game, I Just Do The Contest For A While, Then Start A New Game- But If This Is Replacing Contests.... Well.... It'll Be MUCH Beter

[Artonkn]

PIka coloured pichu and nintendo zone jirachi.


Yeah i think there true

[Mew~]

Sorry to sound noob but, what is PCP & NZ?
Jirachi and pikachu coloured pichu

[Hiiro]

Subject Reroute
My CPU Crashed, So I'm Trying To Catch Up On Things- Tell Me If You Already Covered It, But Also Tell Me Your Thoughts On This
Pokethlon-
It Looks Very Cool
Is It What's Replacing Contests? Usually When I Beat A Game, I Just Do The Contest For A While, Then Start A New Game- But If This Is Replacing Contests.... Well.... It'll Be MUCH Beter

To catch up on everything you've missed, sites such as Serebii, PokéBeach, etc. are great places to look for an insight. However, there is also the use of the HeartGold and SoulSilver Rules & Official HG/SS Known Info (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=180796) right here in this forum. As for the Pokéthlon, I wouldn't say it might replace the Pokémon Contests, as they can also appear in Kanto if not Johto. Although, I definitely like the idea of it being introduced as it'll give players something extra to do. Not to mention, it looks like a pretty nice addition to include and fun at that.

Now, as for the two females with their partner Butterfree, it could actually be a possibility that she could be the Move Tutor for Sweet Scent. It makes sense now that you bring it up for her being placed by the Safari Zone entrance. Not to mention, in the market-like area she is in, there are usually some people situated there who teach moves or give out items. If this is so, then it'll be a nice idea and an easy use in the Safari Zone to save on steps besides the customization feature. As for the area outside the Safari Zone itself, very nice indeed.

[Dillon_68]

Sorry to sound noob but, what is PCP & NZ?

Well PCP is Pikachu-colored Pichu, NZ refers to the new Jirachi, but I have no idea what NZ stands for.

Edit: Oh it's Nintendo Zone.

[Hamilton]

Now, as for the two females with their partner Butterfree, it could actually be a possibility that she could be the Move Tutor for Sweet Scent. It makes sense now that you bring it up for her being placed by the Safari Zone entrance. Not to mention, in the market-like area she is in, there are usually some people situated there who teach moves or give out items. If this is so, then it'll be a nice idea and an easy use in the Safari Zone to save on steps besides the customization feature. As for the area outside the Safari Zone itself, very nice indeed.

That Does Make A lot Of Sense

[SuperiorHominid]

What happens when you trade an apricorn-caught pokemon to D/P/Pt? Does anyone know if hackers ever confirmed the presence of apricorn ball sprites in D/P/Pt, or will they just convert to pokéballs when traded away?

[Hiiro]

What happens when you trade an apricorn-caught pokemon to D/P/Pt? Does anyone know if hackers ever confirmed the presence of apricorn ball sprites in D/P/Pt, or will they just convert to pokéballs when traded away?

Ever since the release of DPPt, the only major information connected with Johto that hackers have uncovered is that the new DPPt games came with coding for Johto's existence. Seeing as the news on apricorns have been recently reveiled it is hard to say whether or not the Apricorn Balls will still have the same sprite in DPPt as it would in the new remakes or if it would be converted into a normal looking PokéBall. However, if there is coding in the Sinnoh games for Johto, and if it does happen to recognize the balls, then they should appear the same in DPPt as it would in HeartGold and SoulSilver. This is based on speculations however and it is just a thought seeing as news on the return of Apricorns are still fairly new.

[Yamikarasu]

If the code for the Johto-exclusive pokeballs was in DPPt, wouldn't people have found it? They haven't, so my guess is that they aren't going to be tradeable. Nurse Joy or whoever will just tell you that you can't trade when you have those items attached. Simple enough.

[SuperiorHominid]

If the code for the Johto-exclusive pokeballs was in DPPt, wouldn't people have found it? They haven't, so my guess is that they aren't going to be tradeable. Nurse Joy or whoever will just tell you that you can't trade when you have those items attached. Simple enough.

I am not talking about trading items, I am talking about what will happen when you trade a pokemon caught in a apricornball. If something in your party is carrying an item non-existent in the other game, it merely drops that item back into your game.

When I had an Griseous orb carrying Giratina in my party during a trade with a Diamond game, my Giratina dropped the orb back into my bad, it is likely that that will happen with new-item carrying pokemon.

[Fiery Dash]

Well I'm thinking if the Pokemon we're trading were caught by Kurt's custom Poke Balls... Maybe these GSC exclusive Poke Balls will appear as normal red Poke Ball in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, but appear in original form in Hg/Ss.

[Hamilton]

So Now You Have A Touch Screen Menu? Cool- Running Shoes, Pokemon Out Of Ball, Register Up To 2 Items, Touch Them To Use?
Magnet Train And Kanto Make A Return,
and The Itemfinder?
This Will Indefinitely Be The Best Pokemon Game Released To Date

[Hiiro]

So Now You Have A Touch Screen Menu? Cool- Running Shoes, Pokemon Out Of Ball, Register Up To 2 Items, Touch Them To Use?
Magnet Train And Kanto Make A Return,
and The Itemfinder?
This Will Indefinitely Be The Best Pokemon Game Released To Date

Seeing as the game is a remake to Gold and Silver, it would include some of the older locations, features, and items. With the third and fourth generation games coming afterwards, the remakes would include the newer items and features as well. Not to mention, as we can see it has also introduced some newer features that have never been brought to gameplay for Pokémon as yet. So, you can call it the best Pokémon RPG now, but more so it'll matter when you actually play the game yourself. Still, there is no doubt this remake will definitely be a good one no less.

[Yamikarasu]

I am not talking about trading items, I am talking about what will happen when you trade a pokemon caught in a apricornball. If something in your party is carrying an item non-existent in the other game, it merely drops that item back into your game.

Oh, I see. I would guess that the little icon would change to a normal pokeball.

[Ketchup]

So, do you think/is it known that there will be any new moves or indeed HMs in the new games. Granted they are remakes of G/S so I expect they will add in all the D/P moves but I hope there will also be some new ones...

Do you think/want there to be any new moves?

[bobandbill]

Merged thread on TM/HMs here with the Speculation thread.

Although, the answer for TMs is most likely going to be 'same as D/P/Pt', due to the fact that if it wasn't different, there would be problems trading those TMs and all to D/P/Pt if they didn't match up. (Hence, they wouldn't be the same as GSC's TM list). That's why the first 50 TMs have remained the same since the 3rd gen.

HMs may differ as they aren't tradable. And any old GSC moves may yet resurface as moves taught by tutors as well (first move tutor people came about in the 2nd gen, iirc).

[Hamilton]

So, do you think/is it known that there will be any new moves or indeed HMs in the new games. Granted they are remakes of G/S so I expect they will add in all the D/P moves but I hope there will also be some new ones...

Do you think/want there to be any new moves?

Well, They Will Probably (as Mentioned Earlier In This Thread) Stay The Same As In D/P/Plt, With The Exception Of HM's- I'm Pretty Sure They Need To Add Whirlpool And Flash

[Hiiro]

Like stated above, the TMs are probably guaranteed to remain the same 50+ as it was since the third generation, because of compatability reasons. As for old GSC moves coming back as a TM, it probably wouldn't occur as the other games it has compatability with [DPPt] wouldn't be able to identify it as that. For the case in HMs however, they can have the possibility of being altered from that of DPPt, seeing as HMs are more permanent items that cannot be transfered from one game to the next like TMs.

The idea of new moves can work out to an extent. This being that no actual new move be created, but instead Pokémon be given a few new moves into their move pool. For example, the new Jirachi event given off by McDonalds in Japan had actually come with the move Draco Meteor, which is a move from the fourth generation, but a new move to Jirachi itself. And also like stated, there is a possibility that old GSC moves can be resurfaced by distributed game Move Tutors.

Well, They Will Probably (as Mentioned Earlier In This Thread) Stay The Same As In D/P/Plt, With The Exception Of HM's- I'm Pretty Sure They Need To Add Whirlpool And Flash

Flash being made as a TM in DPPt will more than likely end up keeping its position as a TM in HeartGold and SoulSilver as well. It isn't really an important HM to the game as the caves and areas that had been placed dark before in the originals can simply be removed and filled in with a thick fog like what was done in DPPt. This way Defog makes a new appearance in HGSS as a HM, while Flash keeps its TM position that DPPt had given it. I wouldn't expect all of the old GSC HMs to remain the same as it was before, because there will be a need for alterations.

[Hamilton]

Flash being made as a TM in DPPt will more than likely end up keeping its position as a TM in HeartGold and SoulSilver as well. It isn't really an important HM to the game as the caves and areas that had been placed dark before in the originals can simply be removed and filled in with a thick fog like what was done in DPPt. This way Defog makes a new appearance in HGSS as a HM, while Flash keeps its TM position that DPPt had given it. I wouldn't expect all of the old GSC HMs to remain the same as it was before, because there will be a need for alterations.
Oh, Right- Sorry- Forgot They Had It As A TM- Defog Works- But What About Whirlpool? Won't They Have To Use That?

[Luke]

What do you guys think about Gym Leader's Pokemon possibly being changed? As you may or may not know, no male Gym Leader (besides Pryce) used Johto Pokemon.

Falkner used Pidgey and Pidgeotto
Chuck used Primeape and Poliwrath
Morty used the Gastly line

Personally I'd like to see Morty using Misdreavus, Falkner using Natu, Hoot Hoot, Murkrow even and Chuck using Heracross. I feel Game Freak has improved on their Gym Leader lineups since GSC and hopefully that'll be changed in HG/SS.

[Hiiro]

Oh, Right- Sorry- Forgot They Had It As A TM- Defog Works- But What About Whirlpool? Won't They Have To Use That?

There is a possibility that HM Whirpool will make a return, or it will be available by a Move Tutor in the game. However, I would expect it to make a return, or else the Whirl Islands wouldn't have much of a meaning if the player isn't able to experience the Whirl Pools that were once there in the originals.

What do you guys think about Gym Leader's Pokemon possibly being changed? As you may or may not know, no male Gym Leader (besides Pryce) used Johto Pokemon.

Falkner used Pidgey and Pidgeotto
Chuck used Primeape and Poliwrath
Morty used the Gastly line

Personally I'd like to see Morty using Misdreavus, Falkner using Natu, Hoot Hoot, Murkrow even and Chuck using Heracross. I feel Game Freak has improved on their Gym Leader lineups since GSC and hopefully that'll be changed in HG/SS.

To tell you the truth, I was disappointed at the fact that GSC didn't take good use of the Johto Pokémon they had at the time. I felt as though more could have been done. As much as the return of nostalgia is pretty nice, if the Johto Gyms [as well as the Kanto Gyms included] are revamped with certain new Pokémon, more so including more of the Johto species, then I wouldn't be bothered by it. There are some pretty decent Johto types who can make a well set for some of the Gym Leaders. Seeing as the Gyms itself have received a new look in the remakes, then I wouldn't be surprised to see some difference in the leaders that rest within them.

At least, if not a change in rosters, then a raise in level. I would later on expect a rematch to be called like in Emerald where the Gyms as well as Elites would raise in level and have a slight alteration in Pokémon. However, like you stated, there are some nice Pokémon options, such as Mistreavous for Morty. And like I stated, if a rematch were to happen, then he would later challenge us with Mismagius. Nice idea though, and it'll only be a matter of time before information on the gyms as well as the rest of the game is fully laid out on the table.

[Hamilton]

What do you guys think about Gym Leader's Pokemon possibly being changed? As you may or may not know, no male Gym Leader (besides Pryce) used Johto Pokemon.

Falkner used Pidgey and Pidgeotto
Chuck used Primeape and Poliwrath
Morty used the Gastly line

Personally I'd like to see Morty using Misdreavus, Falkner using Natu, Hoot Hoot, Murkrow even and Chuck using Heracross. I feel Game Freak has improved on their Gym Leader lineups since GSC and hopefully that'll be changed in HG/SS.

Interesting Point- I Would Like To See Different Gym Pokemon too

[Sweet Smoochum]

What do you guys think about Gym Leader's Pokemon possibly being changed? As you may or may not know, no male Gym Leader (besides Pryce) used Johto Pokemon.

Falkner used Pidgey and Pidgeotto
Chuck used Primeape and Poliwrath
Morty used the Gastly line

Personally I'd like to see Morty using Misdreavus, Falkner using Natu, Hoot Hoot, Murkrow even and Chuck using Heracross. I feel Game Freak has improved on their Gym Leader lineups since GSC and hopefully that'll be changed in HG/SS.

I forgot about Natu. That's a good idea to give a Natu to Falkner. I'd like to see Chuck with a Heracross or at least a Hitmontop. I say Bugsy should have a Spinarak or Ariados level 15. Also, give him a Butterfree and Beedrill. If not, a Ledyba or something would be good. I like the idea of Morty having a Misdreavus instead of that 2nd Haunter.

[Serene Grace]

I forgot about Natu. That's a good idea to give a Natu to Falkner. I'd like to see Chuck with a Heracross or at least a Hitmontop. I say Bugsy should have a Spinarak or Ariados level 15. Also, give him a Butterfree and Beedrill. If not, a Ledyba or something would be good. I like the idea of Morty having a Misdreavus instead of that 2nd Haunter.
Falkner's Pokemon were always Flying/Normal though. I would expect him to carry on the tradition.

[ShinyMeganium]

Falkner's Pokemon were always Flying/Normal though. I would expect him to carry on the tradition.
His main purpose was the Flying, not the Normal IMO. I would love to see Natu there, though I guess it won't happen.

[Kyledove]

It seems like gamefreak made the Johto gym leaders more to be like the kanto gym leaders that never were, giving them kanto pokemon...I think Johto should be a lot more different from Kanto in HG/SS. The gym leaders should definately have Johto pokemon and not Kanto ones, and there should be a lot more johto pokemon in the wild.

[ShinyMeganium]

It seems like gamefreak made the Johto gym leaders more to be like the kanto gym leaders that never were, giving them kanto pokemon...I think Johto should be a lot more different from Kanto in HG/SS. The gym leaders should definately have Johto pokemon and not Kanto ones, and there should be a lot more johto pokemon in the wild.
It's a hard thing to do. Don't forget Johto had the lowest number of regional Pokemons, and as we all know, 9 of them go for starters, 5 of them go for legendaries (you already got almost 15 Pokemon less), many of them are baby Pokemons, and some of them are improved evolutions which might be overpowered against some young children who still play the game (most of us began knowing Pokemon at about 5) etc.

And in the originals, personally I always had the impression that Kanto was kinda "ruined" in those 3 years, and because of that people started going to live in the nearby region and it was kinda less-used before they came. Hence the common league (didn't have time to make their own), the Safari manager who left (basically to somewhere in Johto)...etc. Just my personal opinion...

[Hiiro]

Falkner's Pokemon were always Flying/Normal though. I would expect him to carry on the tradition.

No, his main priority was Flying types as a whole. So, Falkner gaining a Natu along his team would keep his tradition going as any other gym. A mixed type wouldn't be a problem in a gym as long as their main typing is still kept, in this case Flying.

His main purpose was the Flying, not the Normal IMO. I would love to see Natu there, though I guess it won't happen.

In addition to just seeing Natu on his team, I wouldn't mind seeing at least a Hoot-Hoot or Noctowl on his team. At least it'll be an addition Johto type over another Kanto Pokémon on his team. I wouldn't give up hope on it not happening though, as there is always the possibility noting on how the Gyms themseleves seem to be gaining a full revamp in look. Plus, you could always cross your fingers for a rematch later on with a revamp to his team them, and the same with other Gym Leaders at that.

It seems like gamefreak made the Johto gym leaders more to be like the kanto gym leaders that never were, giving them kanto pokemon...I think Johto should be a lot more different from Kanto in HG/SS. The gym leaders should definately have Johto pokemon and not Kanto ones, and there should be a lot more johto pokemon in the wild.

^ This.

Johto in GSC were very enjoyable games no less, but if the remakes were to include more of its own rather than influencing more of Kanto into it, then I think the games will be better off besides for the added in features we've got. Now, I'm not saying that Kanto shouldn't be given any attention to, but that Johto should definitely have more of its own orignal Pokémon roaming across the region. However, whichever way it is placed, I think it'll be an enjoyable game no less.

[Geo_mani]

I have the pika coloured pichu and it is so cute!I was just wondering!Does it matter if i level it up?Or it has to be at Lv.30 to activate the Notched ear Pichu?

[@World]

The level isn't important for an Event Pokemon, so you can level it without fear. Just like Shaymin or others.
What important is OT, ID, ribbons, metadata etc.

[Geo_mani]

what is metadata?and why should i be careful with its ID?You mean the number?

[@World]

Metadata is a hidden data for that pokemon, or data programed into the game that triggers the event, that defines the difference between a normal and this Pichu.
ID is the Pokemon identification number and is already generated by the event maker aka Nintendo (Game Freak) so you can't mess that one up.

[Lady Gaga]

well since its an event, you should keep it UT (meaning untouched, which basicalyl means it hasvtn been trained) that way, it is worth more, and you can trade it for good stuff =D

[Dano_]

I was thinking about Mewtwo today,(if it's really going to be in HG & SS), and I though "what if the Berserk Gene(if it's in the game) works like a fossil?"

I think that would be pretty neat, myself.

[Keyaki]

I was thinking about Mewtwo today,(if it's really going to be in HG & SS), and I though "what if the Berserk Gene(if it's in the game) works like a fossil?"

I think that would be pretty neat, myself.

That would be interesting, not find Mewtwo in Cerulean Cave but the Berserk Gene and take it back to the Fossil Museum in Pewter City to get a Mewtwo

[Hiiro]

I was thinking about Mewtwo today,(if it's really going to be in HG & SS), and I though "what if the Berserk Gene(if it's in the game) works like a fossil?"

I think that would be pretty neat, myself.

The only problem with this idea is that Mewtwo isn't a Pokémon like the rest, or not in the same way. If you remember back from the first Pokémon movie and from FRLG [most recent], then you'll know that Mewtwo was a man-made Pokémon. So, finding it within a fossil wouldn't work out as well as planned because it'll back fire at the original story made with it. It's a neat idea nevertheless, but I don't see it happening compared to it simply being placed back into the Cerulean Cave. Not to mention, having Mewtwo back in the cave would be one nice way of enlargening Kanto compared to the original games.

[WhiteTux]

i dont think there will be any new moves, just old remade GSC moves

[Hiiro]

i dont think there will be any new moves, just old remade GSC moves

Of course some old GSC moves will be brought back to the Pokémon, but you also have to consider that the moves from the third and fourth generation will be brought into the games as well. So, those will be the only new moves introduced to the second generation. However, I wouldn't expect the move sets for each Pokémon to be the same as it was in GSC, it'll more so go with what DPPt set for them. Not to mention, there might be exclusive Pokémon with exclusive moves, such as the Pichu event with Pain Split.

[M4CK_M4YN3]

i think they should put a little bit more then just turn based fighting aside from how awsome the battleing in pokemon is i think there should be some sort of rappid button action or button combos but thats just me.... and aslo they should deffinetly take some advice from zel and use some of his gamplay inhanced

[Tribulations]

i think they should put a little bit more then just turn based fighting aside from how awsome the battleing in pokemon is i think there should be some sort of rappid button action or button combos but thats just me.... and aslo they should deffinetly take some advice from zel and use some of his gamplay inhanced

Press X to not die.

I think not.

[Rdjulius]

I hop you can edit your character e.g. Height, hair style, body tone, skin tone etc. just to give pokemon battles via wifi and on the normal games a bit of uniqueness, you should be able to buy clothes for him/her personalize your pokeballs etc. etc. the possibilitys are endless and I really think that this would attract alot more people to the pokemon games and would actualy be a really good selling point for nintendo. Tell me what you think.

[YellowPen]

Maybe in the next generation, but not in this remake.
I want to relive the adventure as Gold, not some random bloke

[Logiedan]

Maybe in the next generation, but not in this remake.
I want to relive the adventure as Gold, not some random bloke
Agreed with this post.
Having a random character and a Adventure in a Gold/Silver/Crystal Remake then it won't feel the same. But I guess Soul is partially close of being customized considering that she's going to be the new Heroine taking place of Kris.

[DragonForce]

i can't wait for this :] !!

[MiniEggs]

You can customize the PokeBalls, its called "seals", I'm pretty sure they'll return. But yeah that sounds cool, but it souldn't just be for wi-fi., why not customize your avatar aswell?

[Geo_mani]

I think we should have te main characters in the game,but in the wi-fi,union room and things with wireless,it would be a great idea to customize your character

[Rdjulius]

You can customize the PokeBalls, its called "seals", I'm pretty sure they'll return. But yeah that sounds cool, but it souldn't just be for wi-fi., why not customize your avatar aswell?
Yes it would definatley add something new to the game.

[bobandbill]

Merging with the Speculation thread.

I'll say that it's probably unlikely for this to happen, though, seeing that more than likely GameFreak will stick to the same system of having your 'avatar' (what you look like when you go into WiFi) be based on your Trainer number and a choice out of the few matching options from that. It certainly won't happen for the in-game adventure though, that's for sure. Might be a neat idea, but I don't really see it actually happening. (Nor necessaryily all that well for the handheld games either, tbh...)

At any rate, PBR (made by a different company, mind) already has a customisable trainer feature going.

[Hiiro]

I hop you can edit your character e.g. Height, hair style, body tone, skin tone etc. just to give pokemon battles via wifi and on the normal games a bit of uniqueness, you should be able to buy clothes for him/her personalize your pokeballs etc. etc. the possibilitys are endless and I really think that this would attract alot more people to the pokemon games and would actualy be a really good selling point for nintendo. Tell me what you think.

The idea overall is pretty nice, but like said before, I don't see it happening with a set character already developed in the game for us. More so, I really don't think any of the RPGs to come may include this feature besides choosing your character of choice when entering a Wi-Fi zone. It is a more complex idea to input into the games such as HGSS compared to something such as a Wii game like PBR.

However, we will see what happens in the long run, but as for HeartGold and SoulSilver, it is already known that this feature of personal customization to your character won't be included knowing we have Gold or Soul to choose as our game 'avatar.'

[PrismoStar]

I just hope the game will be as amazing to play again as it was in my grade school days.
G/S was and still is my favorite Pokemon game, and I am FREAKING PSYCHED for HG/SS :D

[SquirtleGirl]

I hop you can edit your character e.g. Height, hair style, body tone, skin tone etc. just to give pokemon battles via wifi and on the normal games a bit of uniqueness, you should be able to buy clothes for him/her personalize your pokeballs etc. etc. the possibilitys are endless and I really think that this would attract alot more people to the pokemon games and would actualy be a really good selling point for nintendo. Tell me what you think.

I think it will be good in the next generation.

Btw is there any speculation thread about the next Gen.? [If there's going to be one?]

[ShinyMeganium]

I think it will be good in the next generation.

Btw is there any speculation thread about the next Gen.? [If there's going to be one?]
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=158187
(http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=158187)

[SquirtleGirl]

Thank you very much ^___^

[The Dewitty]

I'd really like an ability to visit every region.. but that really doesn't fit on one cartridge.

[Brainstorm]

For one thing, I hope that the overall level of the Pokemon you face in the game increases, such as that of the gym leaders, Elite Four, etc. The levels were WAY too low, the Champion's strongest Pokemon being level 50, lower than the Pokemon of some gym leaders in the 1st generation.

[Sweet Smoochum]

Do you know what would make me love Nintendo/Game Freak forever?

Remember in GSC, where Misty was on a date at Cerulean Cape? Well, what if they had FrLg's Red be her date? (I know it was just a random npc last time, but I want FrLg's Red to take his place.) I know it would like never happen ever and there is like only a 1% chance that they could do that. (If they could replace Kris, they can definitely do this if they truly wanted.)

Does anyone actually like this idea?

(Don't scream at me for asking about a Pokeshipping thing. I just would think it would be cute and would make my day.)

[Haza]

^
I completely forgot about that whole situation even though it stood out back then. I think its a good Idea. We would run into him before we ever battle him.

[ShinyMeganium]

Do you know what would make me love Nintendo/Game Freak forever?

Remember in GSC, where Misty was on a date at Cerulean Cape? Well, what if they had FrLg's Red be her date? (I know it was just a random npc last time, but I want FrLg's Red to take his place.) I know it would like never happen ever and there is like only a 1% chance that they could do that. (If they could replace Kris, they can definitely do this if they truly wanted.)

Does anyone actually like this idea?

(Don't scream at me for asking about a Pokeshipping thing. I just would think it would be cute and would make my day.)
First, they didn't "forget" Kris, because she wasn't in GS and those are GS remakes. Even if they have a few Crystal features, it's just because Crystal was basically a same-generation remake with newer features.

And yeah, I hope this will happen, it could be the first (and only?) reference to Ash/Red and Misty being a couple, and that'd be fun cause she had the girl role in Pokemon when I was in my...earlier years?

[PrismoStar]

I'd really like an ability to visit every region.. but that really doesn't fit on one cartridge.

True, but technology has evolved so much lately that I bet by 2013 storing that much information on a game card will be possible. ;)

[Sweet Smoochum]

First, they didn't "forget" Kris, because she wasn't in GS and those are GS remakes. Even if they have a few Crystal features, it's just because Crystal was basically a same-generation remake with newer features.


And yeah, I hope this will happen, it could be the first (and only?) reference to Ash/Red and Misty being a couple, and that'd be fun cause she had the girl role in Pokemon when I was in my...earlier years?

Haha! Yes! I got someone to give a valid reason and explain to Kris fans why she's not in the game. (I know why, but no one listened when I said it. :P I just said "replaced" to get Kris fans to agree with my idea of Red and Misty.) (I'm happy that I don't have to play as Kris. The new character is like Leaf. Putting Kris in HGSS would be like putting Dawn in a remake of Ruby and Sapphire.

Thanks for agreeing with me. (I saw some Pokeshipping drawings on deviantart that were cute. Also, in Yellow version, Misty called Red "sweetie." They already have the Pokemon following idea from Yellow, but did more with it by making any Pokemon able to follow. I figured another idea from Yellow can be included.)

When I saw the new outfits for the Team Rocket Executives, I noticed a resemblance to Jessie and James' outfits.

I hope the gyms in Kanto get puzzles instead of being exactly the same as FrLg.

I'm happy with the new look of Pallet Town. The houses look nice. I noticed the trees there are different than the ones from Johto.

[Hiiro]

When I saw the new outfits for the Team Rocket Executives, I noticed a resemblance to Jessie and James' outfits.

I hope the gyms in Kanto get puzzles instead of being exactly the same as FrLg.

I'm happy with the new look of Pallet Town. The houses look nice. I noticed the trees there are different than the ones from Johto.

Yeah, they do have a bit of similarity now that you mention it. However, if the Team Rocket Executives only had them in white, and the 'R' be brought in with more red, then it'll definitely have a closer appearance to Jesse and Jame's outfit.

The gyms, looking back at the new Johto gyms, I would hope for a new design. FRLG made it very similar to the original RBGY, so a new look for it wouldn't bother me. I would actually enjoy the new puzzle-like interior for it, something new to liven up Kanto a bit.

Pallet Town basically looks the same, and the houses and Prof. Oak's lab look the same when compared to FRLG, except it was given more of a three dimensional look. I don't mind it because it is the least of my worries for the game. I'm just more so looking forward to seeing Kanto enlargened and given more compared to the originals.

[Akira Uchiha]

^^ I would like to see that too... /randomly entered convo/ I wish Spring 2010 would come faster... I'm bored of Diamond and Pearl lol.

[Hiiro]

^^ I would like to see that too... /randomly entered convo/ I wish Spring 2010 would come faster... I'm bored of Diamond and Pearl lol.

Speaking about the HeartGold and SoulSilver release, if you check GameStop's site and look up the games there you will notice that they say "Pre-order Ships April 1, 2010." So, the release date for the US version may be out on the 1st of April, but it hasn't been officially confirmed as yet. Meaning, the date can be altered over time, but if not, then we may have the release date for HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Also, found out by linkinpark187 [a member here], that he has already pre-ordered his English copy from GameStop, so pre-ordering your US copy may already be available. I'll have to look into it though, maybe stop by the nearest GameStop locally and find out for you all.

[Gregora]

I really do hope they add more in to Kanto. After beating Johto on my old Silver game, I breezed through Kanto within a day if not less. Silver really stood out to me because 1) it was the second pokemon game I got and 2) I spent more time playing Silver than Yellow.

It took me 24 hours game time to beat yellow. It took me about three times as long for me to beat Silver.

But yeah, I agree that they need to step up the E4 and the Kanto gym leaders a bunch. I thought maybe Johto two gym leaders really needed to be at a higher level, but Johto was fairly difficult to me. Of course, this was back when I was 11 and I know a lot more about pokemon now. XD

Edit: WooT! You just made my day. ^_^ If that is the release date, that means it's going to be released 7 days before my 22nd b-day. ^_^ oh and as a side note, I plan on getting both so I have my main game and a side one to move things to my main one. :)

[bobandbill]

Speaking about the HeartGold and SoulSilver release, if you check GameStop's site and look up the games there you will notice that they say "Pre-order Ships April 1, 2010." So, the release date for the US version may be out on the 1st of April, but it hasn't been officially confirmed as yet. Meaning, the date can be altered over time, but if not, then we may have the release date for HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Also, found out by linkinpark187 [a member here], that he has already pre-ordered his English copy from GameStop, so pre-ordering your US copy may already be available. I'll have to look into it though, maybe stop by the nearest GameStop locally and find out for you all. Don't take much from that release date or believe it is real as of yet. Again, it's a generic date given out (amusedly on April Fools as well), and has not been confirmed whatsoever. Seems too soon as well after the Spring release date being...released - why would they bother giving the exact one right after making a trailer and all?

Only believe an actual release date when it's confirmed by Nintendo or Pokemon.com or so forth, or posted on places such as serebii.net. I'll also add that date there as been around for at least a week, and not a word from any actual source one should trust about it. For now... I wouldn't take April the 1st to be the release date - stick to Spring 2010 for now.

There's been no pre-order date released either... usually some shops take pre-orders anyway though. =/

[Hiiro]

Don't take much from that release date or believe it is real as of yet. Again, it's a generic date given out (amusedly on April Fools as well), and has not been confirmed whatsoever. Seems too soon as well after the Spring release date being...released - why would they bother giving the exact one right after making a trailer and all?

Only believe an actual release date when it's confirmed by Nintendo or Pokemon.com or so forth, or posted on places such as serebii.net. I'll also add that date there as been around for at least a week, and not a word from any actual source one should trust about it. For now... I wouldn't take April the 1st to be the release date - stick to Spring 2010 for now.

There's been no pre-order date released either... usually some shops take pre-orders anyway though. =/

I get your point, and that is why I had mentioned when I posted that:

Speaking about the HeartGold and SoulSilver release, if you check GameStop's site and look up the games there you will notice that they say "Pre-order Ships April 1, 2010." So, the release date for the US version may be out on the 1st of April, but it hasn't been officially confirmed as yet. Meaning, the date can be altered over time, but if not, then we may have the release date for HeartGold and SoulSilver.

So not even I would fall for the release date being on the first as yet. Like you said it wasn't too long ago that we found out the game's season release will be Spring. So, to say it is confirmed would be too early. I would still give it a couple more months or so before we hear much more information on when the exact US release may be.

[bobandbill]

Was posting for others that may have jumped to conclusions, as people had already started to do all over the place because of those placeholder dates. Better safe than sorry. =)

[ShinyMeganium]

Haha! Yes! I got someone to give a valid reason and explain to Kris fans why she's not in the game. (I know why, but no one listened when I said it. :P I just said "replaced" to get Kris fans to agree with my idea of Red and Misty.) (I'm happy that I don't have to play as Kris. The new character is like Leaf. Putting Kris in HGSS would be like putting Dawn in a remake of Ruby and Sapphire.

Thanks for agreeing with me. (I saw some Pokeshipping drawings on deviantart that were cute. Also, in Yellow version, Misty called Red "sweetie." They already have the Pokemon following idea from Yellow, but did more with it by making any Pokemon able to follow. I figured another idea from Yellow can be included.)

When I saw the new outfits for the Team Rocket Executives, I noticed a resemblance to Jessie and James' outfits.

I hope the gyms in Kanto get puzzles instead of being exactly the same as FrLg.

I'm happy with the new look of Pallet Town. The houses look nice. I noticed the trees there are different than the ones from Johto.
Hehe no problem. Though as far as i'm aware, Ash/Red had never gone much beyond Pallet before he got his Pokemon, cause again, "it's dangerous to go to grass patches/forests/cave without a Pokemon", and so he probably never met Misty. So that was probably a developer's joke.
Yet, we can hope :3

About the Rocket thing, i'm quite sure they had some James/Jessie-like couple in GSC, who really looked like them. They called them "Jess/Jamie" I think. They could implement Jessie/James, though. That thing with Jess/Jamie probably happened because they didn't have space to write "James/Jessie".

And I really don't see why revamped gyms won't appear in Kanto too. In a 256MB cartridge, with more time, experience, money, technology etc, pretty much anything could happen, and that looks very trivial.
The first thing I kept thinking after I heard about those remakes was "omg Kanto revamped" because of those reasons, also because it's a DS and much more reasons aside of that (the cartridge can include 2 Platinums right now. And Platinum was a very heavy game. Imagine 2 regions like that, minus some features you don't need twice in the same game. There's a LOT of space).

Plus, do you guys think they pretty much finished making the game? I mean there are only...roughly 20 days left. That's really not a lot IMO.

[Hiiro]

Was posting for others that may have jumped to conclusions, as people had already started to do all over the place because of those placeholder dates. Better safe than sorry. =)

That's understanding. Currently, as much as I want the game to be released in the US and find out its release date for that matter, I'm still pretty psyched on all the information being brought in these last few weeks. Actually, the game's release for Japan is just about three weeks. This means a lot of speculations will be answered once places like Serebii, Bulbagarden, PokéBeach, etc. starts filling in on the game afterwards. =D

[Samme!]

Wouldn't it make sense for it to be release on a weekend like PLatinum was?

[Ellie]

Probably, but there's no rule that says it has to be released on a weekend. It could be released on any day of the week.

[sceptile127]

i wonder if there will be a battle frontier in HG/SS

[Venonat]

So i was wondering - do any of you guys think that the union room will feature in the new remakes. What are your opinions on this if it was to return.

My personal opinion i that if the union room reappears then direct person to person trading will allow pokemon that you can not capture in the games ro follow you instead of having to wait until the game is complete. I think it would be pretty awesome.

So ... opinions and thoughts please ....

[ShinyMeganium]

i wonder if there will be a battle frontier in HG/SS
I'm quite sure it was confirmed that it'll be included, and it'll be pretty much the same as in Pt. Though they did confirm many kinds of Pokemon races and minigames etc. That could be nice, too.
Anyways, since Crystal, we always got some "Battle ???" I think (maybe excluding RS? Nah i'm pretty sure they had something too), so I guess they will put anything similar in.
Edit: oh here it is: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=191676

[Camisado]

I think the Union Room will be a lot like the improved one in Platinum. Every other game has allowed you to trade over Pokémon that don't yet exist in the regional Pokédex so it seems sensible. =)

For example I had a Chikorita in my Pearl game from a friend. The game had no problem with it, it just had no Pokédex numbering until I got the National Dex. I also believe they don't evolve until then.

I honestly don't believe they'll get rid of local trading/battling.

[bobandbill]

Mrged Union Room speculation thread here - pretty minor speculation, so this thread fits it more.

[Jake♫]

About the Rocket thing, i'm quite sure they had some James/Jessie-like couple in GSC, who really looked like them. They called them "Jess/Jamie" I think. They could implement Jessie/James, though. That thing with Jess/Jamie probably happened because they didn't have space to write "James/Jessie".

I think you might be thinking of Shiny Gold, were Zel actually implemented that. That isn't to say that Jess and Jamie weren't in the the original GSC era, because I really can't remember.

But, I must agree that it would be nice if they implemented a duo like Jesse and James, it would be rather interesting to say the least bit.

[dotKarma]

Plus, do you guys think they pretty much finished making the game? I mean there are only...roughly 20 days left. That's really not a lot IMO.

Probably. Or just doing the finishing touches to make it perfect.

[twistedpuppy]

Does anyone know where the GTS might be located in the game?

[PrismoStar]

Does anyone know where the GTS might be located in the game?

Most likely Goldenrod City.

[Sydian]

I believe that's actually been confirmed. I'm hoping some Pokemon have different/earlier locations, such as Sneasel, Murkrow, Larvitar, and some others.

[bobandbill]

Does anyone know where the GTS might be located in the game?

Most likely Goldenrod City. I believe that according to translations, it has been confirmed to be in Goldenrod City. (Which fits in nicely with the additional tower one can see on that Johto map artwork).

[Sydian]

You know, I'm still wondering if they fixed the level thing. I'm going to be really irked if it's not fixed. Also, I counted...and I hope I counted right, but 20 more days. Just. Twenty. More. Days.

[dotKarma]

Just. Twenty. More. Days.

The day has almost come...finally!

[Camisado]

18 days now according to Bulbanews. =0

It's times like this I wish I could read Japanese properly.

[Riggzyd]

Do you think we will have to fight them every once in a while or we will just be fighting grunts/commanders
I would like to fight Jesse/James/Meowth cause the grunts are kinda boring to me

[Drew]

I'm not totally up on the HG/SS updates, but I doubt Team Rocket will be in the game at all.. Well, I mean, I doubt Jessie, James, and Meowth will be. D: Can't see it happening, but it would be neat.

[Rich Boy Rob]

I don't think you'll battle them, because I'm pretty sure they aren't considered canon in the games. However, I have seen some similarities between Jessie/James and the Executives in the originals (hair colour mostly) but in these they look even more similar due to the fact there clothing is very like Jessie/James's along with the same hair colour and similar face structure.

[Kepov]

Would be funny "Were blasting off again!!*WOBBUFFET*"

[Wings Don't Cry]

I don't think it'll happen, anime references only happen in Pokemon Yellow.

[bobandbill]

Merged with the Speculation thread.

I'll have to agree that Jessie and James are unlikely to be in. Any actual includion of the popular anime characters or events, etc hasn't happened since Yellow (which was done so the games could 'ride the wave' the anime created back then) - ever since there's been nothing. (Such as use of the Sevii Islands rather than the anime's Orange Islands).

[Hiiro]

To be honest, I don't think we'll get the chance to see a Jesse and James appearance within the remakes. Like most have stated before me, it is more so an anime type inclusion, which needless to say the game isn't influences by the anime [with the exception of Pokémon Yellow]. So, I highly doubt Jesse and James and Meowth for that matter would be included in the game. It is a pretty nice idea and all, and maybe one day you'll see something of the sort happen like such, but not for HeartGold and SoulSilver. At least from what it looks like they won't appear. However, as mentioned, the uniform design established for the Rocket Executives have a similar recreation to that of Jesse and James from the Pokémon anime, a nice tough nevertheless.

[Mika555]

I just thought of something since the protagonists' mother in DPPt was a coordinator and have a known name. I would also like for the protagonists' mother to be active in HGSS such as being a top contestant in the Pokethlon or maybe even a Frontier Brain and I would her to actual be give. Though it is all up to the game developers.

[Åzurε]

...and I would her to actual be give.

Uhm, huh?

I'd like to see Mom as more than an ATM, but I don't know if they have contests here or not... For that matter, has anyone seen a normal Berry around here?

[Rich Boy Rob]

I just thought, due to the annoying removal of the game corner in Platinum (in the European version at least), do you think they will keep it in HGSS or remove it for Europe or everyone?

[Tailor]

I just thought, due to the annoying removal of the game corner in Platinum (in the European version at least), do you think they will keep it in HGSS or remove it for Europe or everyone?
Nintendo confirmed that European versions of the Pokémon games will never have game machine again :'(

[Rich Boy Rob]

Well for starters you only needed 1 question mark, but anyway, they'll probably release an update for Ranch (although they still need to release the Platinum one here, not sure about the other side of the pond), as for Revolution, they'll probably (and hopefully) release a new Stadium game.

[Lady Gaga]

well, like others said, i just think we will get a ranch update.
tho, i really dont think we will get anothe stadium. maybe they will do something like the Gamecube where you can connect your DS to theWii and play like that =D

...or do they already have that? >.<

[Charmageddon]

I've only just started Platinum. Did they replace it with something else? How else are we going to get the pokemon/items that it offers?

[iwuzhere9]

Nintendo confirmed that European versions of the Pokémon games will never have game machine again :'(

What what? Whats up with that?!

[Tailor]

I've only just started Platinum. Did they replace it with something else? How else are we going to get the pokemon/items that it offers?

You go to a a Slot Machine and then press B.
A box will appear with the message: You received (5,10,20,50) coins!

What what? Whats up with that?!

Something with the PEGI rules about gambling...

[morrison]

Yeah what bullcrap. I think it is totally unnecessary. I always enjoyed the gaming hall when I was bored. and the chance to get addicted to game slots due to this is probably as high as the chance to go from cigs to heroin.

[Joetheiceman]

Im looking foward to the battle against red. Do you think they will change what pokemon he has? Maybe change it to the pokes he currently has in the anime?

[Lady Gaga]

naw. i think it will stay the same.
and yes, we are all very excited. Red is the final challenge, the hardest battle in all Pokemon games to some.
and also, Ash and Red are not the same ppl. Ash is based of Red. Red is not in the anime.

[Olliee]

I don't think that the Pokemon will change at all.
BUT the levels could change

[ShinyMeganium]

naw. i think it will stay the same.
and yes, we are all very excited. Red is the final challenge, the hardest battle in all Pokemon games to some.
and also, Ash and Red are not the same ppl. Ash is based of Red. Red is not in the anime.
That is the 2nd hardest battle overall, not just to some. The strongest is Barry in Pt after like 20 times in the league...

And yeah, though many people confuse cause they look so similar, Ash was mistaken to be the main char in RGB, and they're both the main chars (as far as I know) in their story...I personally could careless o:

[xxChazxx]

I can't wait to battle him again. I really want to see his sprite, and I hope it's animated and has the "Vs." intro (like Gym Leaders).

I don't want his Pokemon to change, but I want his levels raised to 95 max and 85 minimum. I want a challenge this time.

[Jαcκςση]

It would be exciting to battle a Level 99 pikachu... :P

[Weatherman, Kiyoshi]

Something with the PEGI rules about gambling...

Oh come on,
that just ridiculous.

Atleast, it shows you the reprocussions of gambling how you lose all your money.
>.<"

In not that anyone is going to become addicted to crack and gamble his/her life away because he played pokemon.

What exactly is in it's place? Nothing?
a different building?

[Olliee]

I was quite sad that Red's Pikachu wasnt alot stronger when I battled it in Gold.
It should be very very tough

[Mew~]

We already have a thread for this so a mod is gonna close this
heres the thread:
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=189056

[Lady Gaga]

That is the 2nd hardest battle overall, not just to some. The strongest is Barry in Pt after like 20 times in the league...

And yeah, though many people confuse cause they look so similar, Ash was mistaken to be the main char in RGB, and they're both the main chars (as far as I know) in their story...I personally could careless o:

ya, but Barry doesnt deserve the title, and it doesnt matter about levels. Red just PWNed...hard.

[Hiiro]

Oh come on,
that just ridiculous.

Atleast, it shows you the reprocussions of gambling how you lose all your money.
>.<"

In not that anyone is going to become addicted to crack and gamble his/her life away because he played pokemon.

What exactly is in it's place? Nothing?
a different building?

It was confirmed a few months ago that because of new European law, that anything gambling related wouldn't be allowed. It so happened that the Game Corner fell into that category and had to be discontinued throughout Platinum and now the upcoming HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Nothing will seem to replace it, but instead it would be of no value to the players. Such as in the UK version of Platinum, it was still there, but it wasn't accessible for the players to take part in the slots. At first I thought it unfair, but when it comes to the law, it's the law. So, I wouldn't blame Nintendo or GameFreak for in a way closing that part of the game off as they are simply following the law themselves.

[~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~]

I think the moves for the Pokemon will change (well obviiously lol). I wish his Pokemon are fully EV'ed raised as well


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[iwuzhere9]

It was confirmed a few months ago that because of new European law, that anything gambling related wouldn't be allowed. It so happened that the Game Corner fell into that category and had to be discontinued throughout Platinum and now the upcoming HeartGold and SoulSilver.

Nothing will seem to replace it, but instead it would be of no value to the players. Such as in the UK version of Platinum, it was still there, but it wasn't accessible for the players to take part in the slots. At first I thought it unfair, but when it comes to the law, it's the law. So, I wouldn't blame Nintendo or GameFreak for in a way closing that part of the game off as they are simply following the law themselves.


So its like the "church" in hearthome city in D/P/Pt basically?

[Hiiro]

So its like the "church" in hearthome city in D/P/Pt basically?

Yes, you can relate the European Game Corners to the Hearthome "Church"-like building. It wouldn't serve an importance to the game. However, the Game Corner did offer prizes, and I've never played the UK version of Platinum, so I wouldn't know exactly how the prizes would be distributed to the player if earned. Though, like I said before the European version will not include playable slots because of the new laws passed in Europe not allowing Gambling nor the influence of gambling.

[iwuzhere9]

Well, while stupid, I can entirely understand the worry :S
/me does his waiting dance

[totonica101]

i can't wait for this awesome game

[Mika555]

...and I would her to actual be give.

Uhm, huh?

I'd like to see Mom as more than an ATM, but I don't know if they have contests here or not... For that matter, has anyone seen a normal Berry around here?

I agree with you and I notice that in the future generation a parent of the playeable character was active for example in third generation games the player's dad was a gym leader and in the fourth generation games the player's mom was a Pokemon Coordinator, but if the player's mom were to be a coordinator then that would be a consecutive pattern though the Pokemon games are know for repetition. I can picture that the player could be unaware about his/her's mom occupation and they will find out later on and battle or compet against their mother whether it be in as a Frontier Brains Battle, Pokethlon Constant, a Pokemon Coordinator (if their are Pokemon Constest in HGSS), or something that we have not thought of.

By the way I cannot understand your first sentence to well. Were you asking about the player's mom names. I was just wonder if the game developers will give the player's mom name.

[iwuzhere9]

I hope they don't Keep it a mystery, like it was back in the day!

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

News: The largest size DS card to date - 4 gigabit (or, 512 MiB). I highly doubt we'll see a Pokémon game use THAT much. :(

[bobandbill]

Since it has been speculated here before... someone on sppf has said that a new commerical has aired in Japan, showing that Headbutting trees has returned. (No link to this commerical yet, mind).

Said user (slowkingsley) has previous supplied coro coro scans regularly and all - so assume this to be true.
EDIT: Video link found, so yes, confirmed, that. (See new thread on commerical).

[thelaytonmobile]

The way the Game Corner worked in Euro Platinum is that each day, every slot machine would have a chance of randomly giving you between 5-20 coins (or nothing) the first time you interacted with it that day. Any other interactions would result in "It's a Game Machine!" So there is no slots, just a random chance of coins. You can still get prizes and buy coins, it just takes ages to earn them. Also, Explosion was given out by someone in the Game Corner I think. In Platinum I was annoyed because the slots were really easy in D/P, but I won't mind so much in this game cause the slots are harder.
However, with a longer time till European release, they may come up with a better solution.

[e4darthteej]

It's awesome how much I learn about European politics from this site :D.

On topic, I wonder if Lugia and Ho-oh will learn their signature moves earlier? They knew them right off the bat in the originals.

[Slowking]

Does someone know if you can trade pokémon from your D/P/Pt version to HG/SS in the beginning from the game?
If someone has information about this please let me know.
Thx in advance!

[Ellie]

It's awesome how much I learn about European politics from this site :D.

On topic, I wonder if Lugia and Ho-oh will learn their signature moves earlier? They knew them right off the bat in the originals.
Actually, that was only in their respective versions. When you caught them in the other version (Lugia in Gold and Ho-Oh in Silver), they were already too high-level and had forgotten the move. But I'd suspect they'd raise the level they learn them, considering how late they learn the moves in DPPt. It is possible that they might know them immediately, however.



Slowking, no one knows yet and it's unlikely that will be answered until the game is actually out. I would guess no because there's confirmation that the Johto Dex returns, but it's possible.

[Dandaman955]

i hope kanto is in it! id love to see a gen 4 kanto!

[zirico]

i hope kanto is in it! id love to see a gen 4 kanto!

It is, we have already seen Pallet Town, Route 1 and Cerulean Cape.

[iwuzhere9]

It is, we have already seen Pallet Town, Route 1 and Cerulean Cape.

WE HAVE?!
/me hasn't been paying enough attention
Was it just screenshots or were they shown in a video?

[zirico]

WE HAVE?!
/me hasn't been paying enough attention
Was it just screenshots or were they shown in a video?

YEAH! WE HAVE! lol
Just go on Serebii or youtube and search it, there are a few videos and screen shots of pallet and route one and another kanto route, also cerulean cape is seen in a recent comercial, i think we saw the docks place in Vermillion a while ago.

[iwuzhere9]

Just saw the commercial with Route 1/Pallet Town. I guess I will go commercial hunting now...

[Elite Four Lucian]

This question has been speculated alot by people I know. I was wondering if you all think that the Rival from Silver and Gold could be Giovanni's Son. What do you guys think? do you think they have similar characteristics or no? Give me your opinion.

[beauty. proletariat]

Nope.

The rival is basically your average antagonist / poke-theif that is ambitious but does not know anyone or have the money to get himself a pokeball>pokemon.

[Serene Grace]

This question has been speculated alot by people I know. I was wondering if you all think that the Rival from Silver and Gold could be Giovanni's Son. What do you guys think? do you think they have similar characteristics or no? Give me your opinion.
This is a long time speculation that's started from the original Gold/Silver relelses. It's not official but there are a lot of clues leading to that conclusion.

[>Feelings<]

You mean Silver?
There is a 50% chance that he could be Giovanni's son, and there is a 50% chance that he isn't Giovanni's son.

In my opinion, he is better left as a guy with no relations to Giovanni, but they should at least give Silver some back-story.

[bobandbill]

Merged speculation on the Rival here. As for those who don't know... the rival is thought to possibly be Giovanni's son due to dialogue by a TR guy in FR/LG, in which it is mentioned that Giovanni's kid has 'red hair' - a trait Silver is usually known by and referred to in GSC.

[Elite Four Lucian]

Merged speculation on the Rival here. As for those who don't know... the rival is thought to possibly be Giovanni's son due to dialogue by a TR guy in FR/LG, in which it is mentioned that Giovanni's kid has 'red hair' - a trait Silver is usually known by and referred to in GSC.


Ya, I wondered about this for awhile, of course I didn't know that since Silver and Gold were released that this was even being speculated, untill I recently gazed upon something on serebii. It's also said that Paul is modeled from Silver.

[Serene Grace]

Ya, I wondered about this for awhile, of course I didn't know that since Silver and Gold were released that this was even being speculated, untill I recently gazed upon something on serebii. It's also said that Paul is modeled from Silver.
It doesn't look like Paul will be making an apperance as the Anime characters rarely appear in the games. It's more to do with maybe a character with similar traits or physical resemblance that starts off these speculations.

[Hiiro]

Ya, I wondered about this for awhile, of course I didn't know that since Silver and Gold were released that this was even being speculated, untill I recently gazed upon something on serebii. It's also said that Paul is modeled from Silver.

Yes, it has been in speculation for years. Through the games, small fractured peaces being put together, and so on many think it is a possibility that Silver is Giovanni's son. However, it hasn't been a proven theory as yet and more so leaves the players at the edge of a cliff in ponder.

As for Paul, it was said that he was modeled from Silver in GSC. They share a similar resemblence as well as a similar style in personality. However, Silver isn't said to be Paul nor is Paul said to be Silver. As for within the games, I highly wouldn't expect Paul to make a sort of appearance as the anime does not have any correlation with the games, besides for the fact of Pokémon Yellow.

[Haunter Master]

We all know if you put a shiny Pokemon in the daycare with a ditto, you got a 50/50 chance of the baby being shiny. Do you thing they'll bring that back or stick with the odds now?

[thegeneticway]

I doubt it. But it would be cool if they did :)

[Mr.Silver]

What if there was like a pal park feature for Dsi.Like you download an event to your sd and hit "Migrate from SD"

[rocklee666]

It would be terrible if they made it more likely to get shinys. first of all, SS and HG is going to kill the values of the legendary pokemon. they should lower it actually, atleast we can have something valuable. The AR kills it for us to. I dont want just items to be worth while for finding ya know?,

[Rich Boy Rob]

I doubt it. But I wouldn't mind if they did, it only makes sense that a Pokémon could pass on it's shiny gene.

[rocklee666]

I doubt it. But I wouldn't mind if they did, it only makes sense that a Pokémon could pass on it's shiny gene.

I know, it makes perfect sense. but still, I believe the pokemon should have value of some sort

[HackMew]

Unlike the 2nd Generation were the shininess was determined by the Individual Values of a Pokémon (to allow backward compatibility with R/B/Y), since 3rd Generation onwards the shininess no longer need to be linked to stats due to incompatibilities between the previous games. As such, the odds won't change till the 5th Generation, eventually.


It would be terrible if they made it more likely to get shinys.

Well, with the PokéRadar it's easier to get shinies. After all, the probability for chained shinies can get up to 1/200 rather than the usual 1/8192.

[Mew~]

Ive never heard of it or tryed it XD but it sounds like a good idea but i dont think ill be able to find one but i guess it would be cool if they used this

[Zowayix]

In GSC, the chance of hatching a shiny is 1/128 if one parent is shiny, and 1/64 if both parents are shiny or you are using a shiny Ditto. The chance is zero if neither parent is shiny or Ditto is not shiny (with one exception, see spoiler).

This is because shininess was determined by IVs, which could be passed down by breeding.

See spoiler for some detailed technical stuff:
In GSC, a Pokemon is shiny if:
- Its Attack IV divided by 4 leaves a remainder of 2 or 3 (1 in 2 chance)
- Its Defense IV is 10 (1 in 16 chance)
- Its Special IV is 10 (1 in 16 chance)
- Its Speed IV is 10 (1 in 16 chance)
This comes out to a total 1 in 8192 chance.

When breeding, its IVs are inherited from the parent of the opposite gender (or from Ditto, if Ditto is used). If only 1 parent is shiny, this adds another 1 in 2 chance for the baby to be the right gender.

The Defense IV is always passed down.
The Special IV has a 50-50 chance to either be passed down, or be passed down plus or minus 8. (So if it was originally 14, there would be a 50-50 chance of passing down either 14 or 6. If it was originally 1, there would be a 50-50 chance of passing down either 1 or 9.)
Attack and Speed are always determined randomly.

This comes out to:
- Its Attack IV divided by 4 leaves a remainder of 2 or 3 (1 in 2 chance)
- Its Defense IV is 10 (always)
- Its Special IV is 10 (1 in 2 chance)
- Its Speed IV is 10 (1 in 16 chance)
...which is a 1 in 64 chance. (1 in 128 chance if only 1 parent is shiny)

Because Defense and Special IVs are always passed down like this, there is effectively a zero chance of two nonshiny parents breeding to get a shiny, unless at least 1 parent (or the Ditto) has a Defense IV of 10 and a Special IV of 2.

[PatJamma]

I would love if that happened because I think a golden magikarp is better than a red garydos any day!

[rocklee666]

I would love if that happened because I think a golden magikarp is better than a red garydos any day!

lol, that SO rememinded me of when James got that golden magikarp lmaoo. sorry for off topic, but that was just great

[Eggie Poo Poo]

Couldn't this be in HG/SS Speculation?

Also no, I don't think they will that was Crystal exclusive I think.

[Zowayix]

It's not Crystal exclusive, and it's not a 50-50 chance either.

It deals with IVs passing down by breeding. (See my post above.)

[~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~]

it would be cool if the brung back the odd egg which has a 12.50% of being shiny


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[Luke]

Yo dawg. This sort of thread falls under the speculation thread.

USE IT

[Johto's Best]

1.) Will we be able to cut grass again in this one? (In the color/metal gen you could cut the tall grass).

2.) Do you think they will do anything with the burned down Cinabar Island in this one?

3.)Stones! Evolutionary Stones were a pain, do you think they'll make them easier to find? And if they do, what will happen to Bill's grand-pappy?

[michele]

http://www.youtube.com/user/giancarloparimango11

^ if you go to this guys youtube channel, he has a lot of videos with so much information about HG/SS. he's posted news such as a fight with cynthia, a possible map of hoenn, small playthrough clips and much more!

[Matthew]

^ No, he's very well known for posting fake stuff, I recommend not discussing what he posts here.

[Veng3anc3]

So Kanto is confirmed eh guys? I don't know why so many doubted they wouldn't add the Region, it played quite a big part in the originals. I really can't wait for these games; these are the sort of games the NDS's were developed for. I may even buy a Japanese version of the game.. I can't wait for 2010 >_<!

[bobandbill]

Yeah... as Zowayix (and others!) said, the chance never was as high as 50/50 if you bred a shiny Pokemon, let alone two. The chances were improved, but that's down to how the game mechanics worked then - now, since they've changed I wouldn't expect it.

There's always the chance for the Odd Egg though (Pokemon egg given to you in Crystal on top of the Togepi egg which had the offspring (2d gen 'baby forms - e.g. Elekid) with Dizzy Punch and a 50% chance of being shiny), and there is a 'Mausda method' (sp?) which does somewhat increase the likelihood of breeding a shiny if you breed foriegn Pokemon - but nowhere near a 1 in 64 chance, and that's done to further promote trading via the GTS, according to a game creator and all. Don't expect anything else from that, personally.
1.) Will we be able to cut grass again in this one? (In the color/metal gen you could cut the tall grass).

2.) Do you think they will do anything with the burned down Cinabar Island in this one?

3.)Stones! Evolutionary Stones were a pain, do you think they'll make them easier to find? And if they do, what will happen to Bill's grand-pappy?Maybe, but I don't really think it'll happen... but hey, it's only a minor thing anyway, so who knows?

They may... it'll be interesting, have to say. I personally would be kinda iffy if they did pretend that never happened given it was a GSC thing, but I'd prefer if the Island was still... not so darn dull (seeing the volcano would be neat), and the same for the Seafoam Islands.

Stones... well, I personally believe they may go the Route Crystal did - in that some people, when they called you, would give you an item if you visited them on top of the possibility of a battle - some of those were the Stones. (And we know the phone function is back as well...). Since Bill's Grandfather still had the same role... maybe he'll continue having that as well. Wonder though if showing him the 4th gen Eevee-lutions does something, if he does return?

[ShinyMeganium]

1.) Will we be able to cut grass again in this one? (In the color/metal gen you could cut the tall grass).

2.) Do you think they will do anything with the burned down Cinabar Island in this one?

3.)Stones! Evolutionary Stones were a pain, do you think they'll make them easier to find? And if they do, what will happen to Bill's grand-pappy?
1. You can do it in DPPt too as much as I know (not in RSEFRLG though), so yeah.
2. Maybe. I have big hopes about expanding the games, especially Kanto..
3. Maybe, you can always trade from DPPt at some point. His grandpa should stay.

[meganium14]

if it evolves will the new version still follow you

[bobandbill]

if it evolves will the new version still follow youYes - all 493 Pokemon will be able to follow you, including evolved forms... and legendaries.

[Geo_mani]

I was thinking...In HeartGold-SoulSilver you will be able to fight and the Kanto Gym Leaders...That means that we will fight Misty and Brock?Or the Leaders will be changed?

[iwuzhere9]

I was thinking...In HeartGold-SoulSilver you will be able to fight and the Kanto Gym Leaders...That means that we will fight Misty and Brock?Or the Leaders will be changed?

....why WOULD they be changed? If its a remake, then it will be the same as it was 10 years ago in GSC >.>

[Simmo0916]

I just want to see the FR/LG/R/B/Y etc 1st Gen pokemon back on a new game :(
Its been years since i played FR, and i loved it. Im 26 now, so dont watch pokemon anymore :P I hate the new Pokemon in Platinum, as i barely know any of them. I honestly cant wait till a remake of Red/Blue. That will make me a happy man. All i want is my Charmander as my starter and im away!
Any rumours on this??? Can you get the original 1 gen pokemon in This new HeartGold?

Thanks for answering my questions or giving me some rumours in advance guys :)

Alex

[TheDoctor]

....why WOULD they be changed? If its a remake, then it will be the same as it was 10 years ago in GSC >.>

yeah i agree it will the same leaders in both regions, same rival, and most probably the same trainers

[kieran14z]

I just want to see the FR/LG/R/B/Y etc 1st Gen pokemon back on a new game :(
Its been years since i played FR, and i loved it. Im 26 now, so dont watch pokemon anymore :P I hate the new Pokemon in Platinum, as i barely know any of them. I honestly cant wait till a remake of Red/Blue. That will make me a happy man. All i want is my Charmander as my starter and im away!
Any rumours on this??? Can you get the original 1 gen pokemon in This new HeartGold?

Thanks for answering my questions or giving me some rumours in advance guys :)

Alex

Yes, all pokemon are in it, that means 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th gen pokemon. :)

[Foxnordic]

i hope the gym leaders just have the same pokemon from g/s/c

[torterra10]

i hope the gym leaders just have the same pokemon from g/s/c

me too but with higher levels.

[TheDoctor]

it would be nice if they were higher levels, even if it was only 2 or 3 levels higher (e.g. Falkner with a level 9 pidgey and level 11 pidgeotto)

[ShinyMeganium]

I just want to see the FR/LG/R/B/Y etc 1st Gen pokemon back on a new game :(
Its been years since i played FR, and i loved it. Im 26 now, so dont watch pokemon anymore :P I hate the new Pokemon in Platinum, as i barely know any of them. I honestly cant wait till a remake of Red/Blue. That will make me a happy man. All i want is my Charmander as my starter and im away!
Any rumours on this??? Can you get the original 1 gen pokemon in This new HeartGold?

Thanks for answering my questions or giving me some rumours in advance guys :)

Alex
You'll get the same Pokemons from GS, plus some extras of course.
As much as I know, those games are mainly made to replace the GBA slot (Pal Park/insertion) for DSi users, so I believe there's a LOW CHANCE we might get 1st gen starters and/or 3rd gen starters at some point in the game.
Again, if you have a regular DS you might just migrate a Charizard, make a baby of it, restart another game, trade the Charmander into it once it's possible in-game and you're good to go. Same goes for HGSS if Pal Park will be in them (or if you'll trade a Charmander from someone else).

[Twilite Darkrai]

http://www.youtube.com/user/giancarloparimango11

^ if you go to this guys youtube channel, he has a lot of videos with so much information about HG/SS. he's posted news such as a fight with cynthia, a possible map of hoenn, small playthrough clips and much more!

No, he is a f*cking n00b that upload a lot of crap and fake info.
He is failure in human forme.

[Simmo0916]

I really hope a FR/LG replacement is on the cards soon :) That would make me a happy bunny :) Thats the games i started on as a kid, and im really annoyed by the DSi not being able to play the old games :( lol. I actually just ordered a DS from amazon JUST so i can trade 1st gen pokemon into my platinum lol. £100 just so i can have all my favourite pokemon back lol.
I'm praying that a FR/LG is the next remake... it would make sense if they are doing the Gold/ Silver replacement now.
I wonder how long it will take for that to come out? Ages yet i reckon :(
Alex

[Åzurε]

IMO, the oughta overhaul the whole leveling setup to be closer to Platinum. It was too low and messed up in the originals. About the 3rd/4th leader, the wild pokemon and normal trainers were level twenty. Leader 5 (or whatever Jasmine was) had a lvl. 35 Steelix. The wild's levels didn't change at all until about Pryce's area, gym battle 7. and he and all his subordinates had level 30-35-40 pokemon. And the weakest e4 ever. =/ Yeah, it's time to call a mulligan on that one.

[Tudj]

Well they will be in it, but i doubt they would play any more than a role than the leader of their respected towns.

[cheesemaker]

For Heartgold and Soulsilver I would like to see Kanto with a lot more effort put into it. I was really dissapointed with Kanto in the original Gold and Silver. Trees were rocks, viridian forest was flattened and dead, cinnabar was a giant rock, safari zone was gone, almost no more trainers and everything was oversimplified. They cutted so many corners that they have given themselves a chance to be redeemed. I think it should be equal to Johto or VERY close to it.

[iwuzhere9]

For Heartgold and Soulsilver I would like to see Kanto with a lot more effort put into it. I was really dissapointed with Kanto in the original Gold and Silver. Trees were rocks, viridian forest was flattened and dead, cinnabar was a giant rock, safari zone was gone, almost no more trainers and everything was oversimplified. They cutted so many corners that they have given themselves a chance to be redeemed. I think it should be equal to Johto or VERY close to it.

Well, seeing as how this was still on the original Game Boy, I think its okay that it was that underdeveloped. The fact that it was included to the extent it was is still mind-blowing.

[xxChazxx]

I'm not quite sure I understand the question...

[bobandbill]

This basically comes under Speculation... *merges*

Likely though, the two gym leaders should return, really... it is a remake of GSC, after all, and I don't see them being replaced either.

[meganium14]

i wonder if you can get the fourth gen and 3rd gen pokemon without trading in this game? im gonna pick chikorita because it evolves into meganium and meganium is beast!!!!

[Gregora]

as to the statement that they should be redeemed, think about what they did with what they had. They cut so many corners because they were working with a buggy engine that was slightly modified from RB(G)Y and with a smaller cart than we have now. I think they deserve some shoulder-patting. But the one thing I wish for the most is for the gym leaders to be upped in level, mostly Morty and all the others afterward. I trained my pokemon to level 30 for Morty and I haven't trained since and I'm going to the underground lair of TR. So yeah, this shows that they really need to be improved. Including the levels of TR. And the Red Gyarados. It was underleveled compared to my team. XD

[Hiiro]

i wonder if you can get the fourth gen and 3rd gen pokemon without trading in this game? im gonna pick chikorita because it evolves into meganium and meganium is beast!!!!

The third generation may be found available in the wild at certain locations of Johto and Kanto because RSE are from the past generation of games. However, as for the fourth, I see no need in placing any of them within the game because then it would give DPPt no use for gamers to have. Also, to add, it has been said that the Pal Park is to be making an appearance in the game, so this will mean that you will have the ability to migrate from your FRLG and RSE games as well.

as to the statement that they should be redeemed, think about what they did with what they had. They cut so many corners because they were working with a buggy engine that was slightly modified from RB(G)Y and with a smaller cart than we have now. I think they deserve some shoulder-patting. But the one thing I wish for the most is for the gym leaders to be upped in level, mostly Morty and all the others afterward. I trained my pokemon to level 30 for Morty and I haven't trained since and I'm going to the underground lair of TR. So yeah, this shows that they really need to be improved. Including the levels of TR. And the Red Gyarados. It was underleveled compared to my team. XD

Levels were always a problem [being too underleveled] in the original Gold and Silver games compared to the previous and afterward generations. It would be a nice addition to up the challenge of the game, especially with so many new revamps to the gyms and locations. This I wouldn't mind as it wouldn't alter the game in any way except for extra training if needed. Although, I can assure you that from a previous trailer and scan, the Red Gyarados is still going to be found at level 30 like before.

[PatJamma]

ok i was just woundering did nintendo officaly name the new girl soul?

[redskinsfan]

ok i was just woundering did nintendo officaly name the new girl soul? yes they did, i find it much worse than silver.

[PatJamma]

wow thats awful first she looks like crap and now her name is crap? also i will bet anyone ten bucks that when it comes to america her name will be heather because it is the closest american name to one of the games

[Weatherman, Kiyoshi]

I actually think Soul is a pretty neat name. >.>"

And she actually is probably the only player character that is allowed to pull off those overalls.

XC

[PatJamma]

I actually think Soul is a pretty neat name. >.>"

And she actually is probably the only player character that is allowed to pull off those overalls.

XC
its not the overalls that bug me cuz you cant really tell on her OW sprite its that darn poofy marshmallow hat of hers that looks awful

[Yamikarasu]

I like the name Soul. But weren't all the other possible names taken? The boy with red hair is named Silver I thought. :/

[meganium14]

wait so if you pick the boy the girl and the rival will appear in the game?

[Yamikarasu]

wait so if you pick the boy the girl and the rival will appear in the game?

That's generally how it has worked in every game since Ruby and Sapphire. :P

[espa_roba11]

In reguards to TMs and hms, I think they are ognna be like they were in GSC (bar DPP moves), becuase:

1. Headbutt trees are back.
2. Whirlpools are back.
3. Third gen TM moves are getting old.
4. Lots of the potental TM moves the leaders could give out as a prize are a bit too strong early on. (only the first two leaders fit that catagory)
5. Almost every gym leader would adhear to thier origonal strategy ecept for falkner who used Mud-slap as an offenceive and deffenseive move.

These are the reasons I think that the TMs should change in these versions.

[Sydian]

1. Headbutt trees are back.
2. Whirlpools are back.
3. Third gen TM moves are getting old.
4. Lots of the potental TM moves the leaders could give out as a prize are a bit too strong early on. (only the first two leaders fit that catagory)
5. Almost every gym leader would adhear to thier origonal strategy ecept for falkner who used Mud-slap as an offenceive and deffenseive move

1. I don't ever want to go through Honey Trees AGAIN. And how else will Headbutt tree Pokemon be caught if they're not brought back?
2. Whirlpool will have to be an HM, of course.
3. Third gen moves are blehhh now. I hope that TMs 51-wherever they stop are still in tact, though. They could just change the first 50 to match GSC's.
4. Aerial Ace and X-Scissor? Holy crap! Although it's a nice thought getting those early in the game, it'd make it too easy to teach those moves so early into the game. However, we did get Water Pulse and Thunderbolt early in the game.
5. True that, and no one can say that in FRLG that the strategies were different. The gym leaders then didn't have a strategy implemented into them. Bugsy actually made the move Fury Cutter, and we all know that Whitney abused Rollout. What kind of GSC remake would this be without Rollouting Miltanks?

[thegeneticway]

I think there are move tutors in the game.

I wonder what moves there will be ^^

[meganium14]

i hope to buy thunder punch fire punch and ice punch again im getting a new ds next week. and i wonder how the lance battle music is now

[Sydian]

I just got a new DS today. It matches me!

That means it's silver, just in case you're a little slow on what I meant.

But meh, I don't want move tutors. I'd much prefer TMs so that you don't have to search out the tutors or wait til a certain point in the game. It's really annoying.

[Hamilton]

I think there are move tutors in the game.

I wonder what moves there will be ^^

yeah, a few weeks ago, they brought up an intresting point on this thread- the Sweet Scent move tutor (or what we believe to be her) is back :)
the lady with the butterfree (sorry if spelling is wrong)

[NatureKeeper]

People claimed that the availibility of baby Pokémon for johto Pokémon in Sinnoh will change the Johto dex to add Bonsly and the other. I say no.

The new baby Pokémon need an incense (that's why budew was able to be caught in the wild and needed an incense to be bred by Roselia, because if Roselia is normally breeded it produces another roselia from 3rd Gen+, and Nintendo will not want to alter evolutionary lines.). And FireRed and LeafGreen did not have a single change in the Pokédex. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver have the very same Pokédex of the Good 'al games Gold and Silver.

Thanks for listening.

[ShinyMeganium]

It's already confirmed there will be SOME change for the Johtodex (some numbers were off in SS, it's 99% a change), no reason to repeat it or yell about it cause there's nothing to do. And why would more Pokemons you are not obligated to use not even to get the National dex hurt you?

And seriously, there's a speculation thread and a complaint thread.

[NatureKeeper]

This is not a complaint. I'm just saying information. Kanto Dex hasn't been changed, so Johto wouldn't...

[zirico]

The thing is that in FrLg you could not breed until after the E4 wich meant it was not possible to get a Pichu for example. However you can in this so it will be possible to get many in theory. However it seems they planned for the release of HGSS long ago ecause of all the new evolutions in Gen 5 and thier need for and item toevolve or an icence to be bread. These items will most likley be unavailable in these games which means the pokemon wll be aswell, assuming we can't trade with Dppt until after the E4.

[zirico]

I han't actually seen any source or proof that her name is officially Soul, does anybody have a source? As far as I'm aware people just starting calling her Soul because Leaf was named Leaf in LeafGreen.

[Dunsparce]

Some Pokemon have been shown to have different dex numbers than the originals, like Lapras.

GSC: #219

HGSS: #224

There goes your theory :/

[ShinyMeganium]

This is not a complaint. I'm just saying information. Kanto Dex hasn't been changed, so Johto wouldn't...
But it is a speculation-related thing, right? You saw it in the speculation, but instead of just commenting there you opened a new thread...

Anyways, your theory is not correct just because a few Pokemons were already changed, whether the order was changed or Pokemons were added.
Plus, the Kanto dex wasn't changed just because the Pokemons back then were the Pokemons existed in the order they should appear at. Johto dex was just a mess around with all the 251 Pokemons existed back then, so there's no reason not to mess with it even more and put some prevolutions or evolutions.

[Mew~]

Its been proved.... YAY! but nothing has confirmed 3rd and 2nd gen pokemon to be in the games before the national dex. And if they are going to be they would of comfirmed it by now :(