HeartGold/SoulSilver Speculation

[Ryanniny]

did the fame checker actually do anything? except re-tell you information about stuff that you'd already heard from other people? :S
i want the sevii islands in, but with a battle fronteir facility on each island, so there'd be 7 facilities, and you can only access the next one once you've beaten the previous one (eg can only access the 2nd facility after gaining the symbol from the first one) kinda like the anime, ish :S

[XxDawnfanxX]

I don't think we can stress anymore just how key adding a storyline for Kanto is. Sure, firstly I want it to be confirmed they WILL have Kanto once again in this game, which I think they will. It definatly needs to have more, it felt like just random wandering around battling gym leaders that should probably be tougher. It feels like the badges were earned for nothing. It seems though this game will have a deeper plot, possible bigger Johto map and hopefully more expanded depth for the Kanto Region. Although, no information has been released about Kanto yet has it?

[Kyone]

did the fame checker actually do anything? except re-tell you information about stuff that you'd already heard from other people? :S
i want the sevii islands in, but with a battle fronteir facility on each island, so there'd be 7 facilities, and you can only access the next one once you've beaten the previous one (eg can only access the 2nd facility after gaining the symbol from the first one) kinda like the anime, ish :S

Actually yes, the Fame Checker did do something. It told interesting facts about a certain character. Now, there are people who tell you things about them as well, but the Fame Checker sometimes goes into farther detail with them. So, it is pretty useful for some, while others don't really bother with it. This is just a matter of person preference on who likes it, while to those who don't.

As for the Sevii Islands, it is unknown if it'll be in the game. Though, if they had to put in Frontier Facilities, then I'd rather travel freely among them. The reason why is because I wouldn't want to be stuck on one island, where I cannot beat this one Frontier Brain, and I want to move on to the next. Though, like they had it before in FRLG, they can give us certain tickets for accomplishing something in the game to travel to the next set of islands. That way it gives us the plus of having the Battle Frontier in, Kanto, and multi quests to keep us going through the game. All in all though, we'll just have to wait and see what they do decide on actually implementing after Johto.

[Fiery Dash]

Yeah, if Celebi is held through an event dealing with the GS Ball, then Celebi's OT will definitely be you, the player. I think this is pretty decent as a lot of Pokémon we get through Wi-Fi are never ours, but TRU or something else. They'll definitely not stop events like said, as it beings in income for the company and promotes others to buy the games if they really want that event Pokémon. Not to mention, a Pokémon like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, and even Shaymin won't be freely given so easily by Game Freak or Nintendo.


If they include the Sevii Islands, then so be it, but it shouldn't remain empty. I thought about it, and since what happened in FRLG is 3 years before Johto, then the plot with Team Rocket on the islands were already completed. So, either it'll be there, but empty, it'll be there with a new plot, or it won't be in at all. Whichever they choose I don't mind, because my main place they should keep together is Johto and Kanto. These two places made the Johto what they are and shouldn't be altered to me.
I agree, Game Freak/Nintendo hadn't been really kind to us...
They remade the GS just for money, not because of the demand that the fans made...
(At least they still made it though anyways....)

We have 2 Breeding Center then!! [=
One on Island 4, one on Route 34. But I doubt it, as I stated Sevii Island's reappearing is low... Due to we have Johto... They made Sevii in Fr/Lg as some features(like Breeding Center, GS Pokemon) needed to be add for some reason. But since we have Johto, I don't see Sevii returning...

[poddish]

I hope the sevii isle.s are in. I Also hope that there are additional forms of important lengedaries (return of shadow lugia mostly). Another cool thing would be an event involving the radio channel thats only avalible in the ruins of alph. Also I would like it to have the 1st FULLY working celebi event in America (the one in crystal involves a glitch item and the 3rd and 4th gen as of now require an event where you download the pokemon instead of an event item. I would also like more ruins of alph puzzles.

[Yuoaman]

Where do you think that the GTS will be located? I'm almost sure that it will be in the game, and I'm sure it will be in Johto. I think the most likely place would be Goldenrod, though it seems like Goldenrod is full enough as it is... What do you think?

[.inLOVE]

Hm. I'm not too sure about a GTS. But if it is in the games, then it'll probably be in Goldenrod.

[altaria221]

why would they get rid of it. when the original metal games were released nintendo was gonna implement a wifi idea by having a little cable that attaches a gameboy to a cell phone allowing wifi access, the wifi corner was gonna be in goldenrod, but they did not use the wifi with cell phones because not many children other than in japan had cell phones

[Yuoaman]

Well not including a GTS would be just a giant middle finger to all those who don't have any of the other games of this generation...

[Sweet Smoochum]

I think the GTS should be in Goldenrod. There were so many buildings that weren't even accessible. It doesn't have to look exactly like the old Goldenrod, just a similar layout. Hopefully we can access some of the empty buildings this time. The GTS needs to be in Johto.

[Yuoaman]

I guess you are right, though I was kind of hoping that maybe they could put it in Olivine. The place always seemed kind of empty to me.

[Doxasikyrie]

There's clearly going to be something, most likely in Goldenrod as someone else mentioned. However, I don't know if they'll allow us to access trading with D/P/Pt right away like they did in FR/LG with R/S/E. But I hope HG/SS will have minigames and such as they do with Platinum.

Doxasikyrie

[Doxasikyrie]

The Ruins of Alph played a minimal role in Gold and Silver and a slightly bigger role in Crystal. Do you think they will have a larger role in HG/SS? Maybe giving us a "Johto Underground?"

Doxasikyrie

[Samme!]

Wow, i would love it if they made the Ruins more prominent in the games... that'd also be cool if they made it connected to the underground like you said... and it would make sense.

[øbliteration]

Why wouldn't they just put it in the Pokécom? (PCC) because that was originally it, so it would be the only thing that made sense

[Yuoaman]

Why wouldn't they just put it in the Pokécom? (PCC) because that was originally it, so it would be the only thing that made sense

Well if they want to use the new Terminal features (I believe they would) it wouldn't really fit there. They'd need a whole building, like the GTS/GTT from DPP.

[Ineffable~]

I'd love to see part of the Orange Islands appear. The Sevii Islands was actually one of the reasons I hated FRLG. I agree with poddish, too. We need a real, better Celebi event. Also, better legendary backstories, more event legendaries, and all that. Ooh, and more multiplayer capabilities! Gotta love your friend following you around Johto... I would also just hate to have that thing in FRLG where you can't obtain any Generation III Pokémon without trading! Uggggghhhhhh, no one trades that much! Just have them in the wild!
I personally think that it is only like that for a limited time. Like i.e Chikorita followed you out the Prof. Lab, and it started following you around. Prof. Elm stops you and makes you return it to a Pokéball before you enter the tall grass. That's not possible. There's a screenshot of Cyndaquil in Azalea Town and Cyndaquil at Slowpoke Well.

[JaggedMan]

Goldenrod I betcha. It has to be. The similarities between goldenrod and Jubilife City is so similar that I'm pretty sure that's where the GTS will be located.

[uhhh6677]

Goldenrod. It's perfect. It's a big city.

[Speed]

I'm guessing a big city, so Goldenrod. And the GTS will definitely be in.

[Astinus]

I'd love to see part of the Orange Islands appear.
Anime only. While the anime did have some influence on the games (Yellow, for instance), it's not enough of an influence to have an entire anime-only region, or even parts of, in the games. If there are islands included in the games, then it would be either the Sevii Islands, which were already included with game!Kanto, or a new place.

I would also just hate to have that thing in FRLG where you can't obtain any Generation III Pokémon without trading! Uggggghhhhhh, no one trades that much! Just have them in the wild!
One of the main advertising points of Pokemon was the trading aspect. (Even as far back as R/B days, the majority of advertising was towards trading with friends to get all the Pokemon.) It's why they have version-exclusive Pokemon that can only be gotten through trading.

Besides, there would have to be some really great reason as to why all the Hoenn Pokemon (and Sinnoh Pokemon, since that would also involve trading!) all of a sudden appear an ocean away in an entirely different region.

Besides, forcing the player to buy the other games, the other systems, the way to hook up, if they don't have any friends that play Pokemon or Wi-Fi capabilities, means more money for Nintendo.

[Ryanniny]

i want a team rocket event there, as there werent many "minor" enounters with them in GSC, the only minor one i can think of being at the slowpoke well.

[Chibaymega12]

There has been some speculation on an extended story line from the orignal G/S. What do you think of this? What story extentions would you like to see?

[bobandbill]

Merged threads regarding the GTS, Ruins of Alph and the possibility of an extended storyline here, as they all come under speculation - which is what this thread is for.

[Kyone]

The GTS, I can totally see coming back. I mean it wouldn't make sense starting it in DPPt, and not continuing it. A lot of people now depend on it to get Pokémon they have seen and want. It is definitely a building I can see going in Goldenrod City. Though, it makes me wonder if they'll have it available in Johto or in Kanto. A place for Kanto would be in Vermilion City where the man and his Machop were planning to build something back in RBGY and FRLG. It is a possibility that they may finally use that spot for something and actually show after three years the man finally made success!

The Ruins of Alph definitely does need more to it. A lot of people remember the place, but they always remember the location with nothing much for the game. By this I mean, it was there, but it wasn't really utilized with full advantage for the game. I agree, if they twist this in with the storyline, it'll be a plus. Even if they allow it to be the location to start going underground as someone stated before would be nice. I'd like to remember the ruins for something more than what it achieved in the orignal Gold, Silver, and Crystal.

As for the extended storyline, I'm not sure where you heard this. Though, I'll definitely like a plot to be extended more to the Kanto region. The place shrunk in the original and had nothing to do but get a few items, battle the gyms, and beat the Elite. The storyline needs to continue. Whether it be the return of Team Rocket with Giovanni taking back his place as head of the Rocket gang or something. It is a possibility, and one failure doesn't mean they cannot try again for a second attempt. I'm hoping an extended storyline does come to the surface and remains true as it would be very nice indeed. I know it'll keep me and other lovers for the remakes and originals occupied over other games I would think.

[Dr. James]

I wonder. Red. In Gold/Silver/Crystal, Red was based on the Yellow Red, having Pikachu and the three starters. Gold/Silver/Crystal were sequels to Red/Blue/Yellow.

Ok. HeartGold/SoulSilver are sequels to LeafGreen/FireRed. However, in those games there was not a Yellow equivalent. So the Yellow Red doesn't exist here.

So... how may be the final battle with Red? Will he still be based in a distant Yellow version's Red, or not, since he didn't exist in Generation 3?

[Meganium Ex]

I wonder. Red. In Gold/Silver/Crystal, Red was based on the Yellow Red, having Pikachu and the three starters. Gold/Silver/Crystal were sequels to Red/Blue/Yellow.

Ok. HeartGold/SoulSilver are sequels to LeafGreen/FireRed. However, in those games there was not a Yellow equivalent. So the Yellow Red doesn't exist here.

So... how may be the final battle with Red? Will he still be based in a distant Yellow version's Red, or not, since he didn't exist in Generation 3?
HG/SS are more remakes than they are sequels, so I would think Red's team would remain the same as it is in the original.

[AuraAshley]

oh i remember red he was a real prick in meh opinion.

but i hope the keep him he was a good challenge and fun to battle for lvling up reasons

[XxDawnfanxX]

I think it will still be Red, it was a very fun part of the game. Battling Red and Blue was the only real thrill in going back to Kanto. I like how Red was a challenge because his pokemon were at high levels and you had to train to defeat him. I hope that his pokemon are stronger in HG and SS as well. Should hopefully be a great ending to what will hopefully be an alive Kanto region.

[TERRA#493]

I think Red will have the same team. The battle V.S. Red was a really hard challenge, especially his Snorlax made me problems. Red was the hardest battle till now, i think, or? I hope, that he will be in HG/SS as hard as in G/S/C.

[Eggie Poo Poo]

If they change him, it will instantly make this game a massive bucket of garbage. You can't change the best fight at the end, the strongest guy in all of the land, with one of the highest level team and all the different types, they just CAN'T change him.

[blueblur155]

i think that it would be the same (or at least close) to the party he had in GSC

[Sweet Smoochum]

They shouldn't change Red at all. In fact, they should even give him the same exact sprite as the one in GSC. I do not want to see FrLg Red. That's a rip off. I want to see Classic Red. Open jacket, hat, everything. Keep his Pikachu, Charizard, Blastoise, Venusaur, Espeon and Snorlax. If anything, raise the levels to knock Barry out of the water. Red needs to be back on top.

[*Nayz*]

I would think that would stay the same for the most part with maybe a couple team changes (since its a new game)

[Åzurε]

Hmm. The first "real" trainer with a level 100 pokemon... Now there's a thought...

[Asztrik]

This reminds me, do you think there will be a battle with the girl from FireRed /LeafGreen?

[ashua]

i think reds too easy this is my team
lv100typhlosion
lv99noctowl
lv99arbok
lv99ampharos
lv100crobat
lv100mew

note:i got mew with a gameshark

oops did i write ampharos it was suppose to be pikachu i nicknamed all of my pokemon like reds

in lg i have the same team red has in the manga

hey guys where do i find magcargo in lg

[bobandbill]

Merged thread regarding Red here, as it comes under speculation. Also, make sure your posts stay on topic, people.

I would like to see Red back with more or less the same team, although I wouldn't mind too much, as long as there is someone there in Mt Silver. I just liked the idea of it, really.

[giradialkia]

To me, Red was the long-held goal for completing G/S/C. Although not strictly the end of the game (I mean, you can still basically do everything you did before), it gives a true sense of completion.
I personally think they will give Red his FRLG attire. Yes, while it would be very nostalgic to hav him wear the older clothes, it just seems to fit. Somebody above raised the fact that the Yellow (Red) sprite was used, and that there was no Yellow remake. It was still Red, the character we played as, so I believe he'll just be wearing the FRLG outfit.
Also, somebody raised the fact that we now have a girl called Blue (no, wait.. Green.) to take into consideration. I believe something'll be done. Perhaps if you play as a girl, you battle Green, or if you play as a boy you battle Red. Seems a bit unlikely, but i'd like to see Green tied into the game somehow. She does exist now, for one thing.

[Ryanniny]

they're obviously going to update his looks, so don't get your hopes up about having the same sprite that was used in GSC, i, for one, don't want that, i want the red from FR/LG, as these games are the sequel to them.
i think a double battle against red & "green" would be cool for the end, so it'd be gold & "soul" against them, or silver, and they could be your partner going through mt silver.

[TERRA#493]

hey guys where do i find magcargo in lg

You can find Slugma in FR/LG on Mt. Ember, typical location for Fire-types like it.

[Kyone]

Red is obviously either going to look like he did in FireRed and LeafGreen or they'll give him a more modern look than that. I mean it is pretty certain he'll get some kind of new appearance seeing as we have a new female, and a new look. We've got Gold who looks new, and then I'm sure Silver will have a new look as well. Mostly or almost everyone in the game will have somewhat of a similar to modern style. Red's team on the other hand should stay the same, but gain higher levels and a newer moveset. That is something Barry took the title of and Red needs it back again. It'll definitely bring back a large nostalgic feel with Red in Mt. Silver and I'm hoping he'll be a tough challenge compared to before.

I'll be happy to see Red back though, as challenging him in the game was a surprise at first and definitely fun. It seemed like we were battling ourselves from three years ago back in Kanto. Actually, thinking of this and how they added in a female in FRLG, I actually do wonder that if you play as a female in the remakes, if Red will be altered to be Leaf, the female from FRLG. I mean, if it is like battling yourself three years ago, then battling the female if you were a girl before would make sense. Though, that is just basic speculation on my part, but it would be a bit interesting. As I'd like to know a team they'd give her and exactly how she may be portrayed.

[iTzKaizer]

In G/S/C we had different items and TM's. Do you think tehy'll return as exclusives in this game or they'll use the items we have? Maybe they'll replace the appricorns with berries to make pokeballs? o.O I don't know.

[Pokedra]

I think the TM's will stay the same as DPPt.

Apricorns, I'd like to see a return of them however you'll probably get stuff like Net Ball, Nest Ball, Heal Ball etc.

[bobandbill]

Thread on TM's/Old items merged here.

TMs are more than likely to stay the same, as they are tradeable items - changing what they are would create problems with trading D/P/Pt. (Which is why the TMs are the same in RSE/FR/LG, and the first 50 also stay the same for D/P/Pt).

Apricorns is unsure, along with the other old items - if they do come back, they'd have to be non-tradeable items, on way or another. (Besides maybe the RageCandyBar, which apparently has coding in Platinum...?) I'd like to see some of the old items come back though.

The Berries will probably be replaced by the current ones.

[Meganium Ex]

Apricorns is unsure, along with the other old items - if they do come back, they'd have to be non-tradeable items, on way or another. (Besides maybe the RageCandyBar, which apparently has coding in Platinum...?) I'd like to see some of the old items come back though.
The RageCandyBar is mentioned in Platinum, but there is no such coding for the actual item.

[Pokemon12345678901]

In the original G/S you could see and talk to the Pokemon, but back then they only had about 5 sprites. What would they do? Just 5 sprites seem boring, but there is 493 different Pokemon, not counting form variations.

But we have also seen the starters and Pichu sprites. Do you think that they will have all 493+ Pokemon in the game, but that would take up a lot of space.

Or might that just remove the talking and do what they do in D/P/Pt, and just show certain Pokemon always there and not show yours.

[Twilite Darkrai]

Or might that just remove the talking and do what they do in D/P/Pt, and just show certain Pokemon always there and not show yours.

Amen. Hohohoho. XD filler
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[ISa56]

In G/S we English people did not get the Pokemon Communication Center. Instead, we got the same old Pokemon Center. However, now that G/S has a remake, we may finally get the Pokemon Communication Center in Goldenrod City, Johto.

Well... what do you think? Will The PCS come to us in the English version? Or not?

[Speed]

PCS? Explain please? Never heard of it. :/

[bobandbill]

Merged thread regarding seeing Pokemon in the Day Care here, as it comes under speculation. EDIT: Same for the thread on the 'Pokemon Communication Centre'. (Personally, I a bit doubtful if it'll turn up in any of the games here... seems kinda like an out of data thing? Unless they bring back the mobile thing for a possible Celebi event instead of using a movie or WiFi or something like that instead... there's no need for it.)

Personally, I'd like to be able to go and walk in the Day Care Centre and all, and see my Pokemon... might be odd if it's a legendary Pokemon though. XD (And would their sprites be bigger as well then?)
The RageCandyBar is mentioned in Platinum, but there is no such coding for the actual item. Indeed it is. Some people say it is in the coding, but I'm kinda doubtful about that, really. (And if it's in Platinum but not in DP... =/) But we shall see what happens with those items. I'd think we'd probably see RageCandyBars back in one way or another though given the reference there...

[ISa56]

PCS? Explain please? Never heard of it. :/

In Japan there was a bulding in Goldenrod City called the Pokemon Mobile Communications Center replacing the Pokemon Center. It allowed users of a mobile phone to get a Celebi event. However, this was not included in the English version of G/S.

[Kyone]

In G/S/C we had different items and TM's. Do you think tehy'll return as exclusives in this game or they'll use the items we have? Maybe they'll replace the appricorns with berries to make pokeballs? o.O I don't know.

For the TMs, they will more than likely stay as what was brought to us in DPPt. For support, I'd look at FRLG and RSE for reference. RSE introduced new TMs, but when the FRLG remakes were out, they stuck to the same format and followed the RSE TMs. Same with DPPt, except they added on more to make 100 TMs in all. I'd say this will be the same.

You know what, there was speculation before on what may happen to the Apricorns. If they were kept, then they'll have to remain untradeable as DPPt have no coding or use for them. By stating this, if the appricorns are kept, then I say they might be stored in a seperate section of the bag like how the berries are.

Speaking of berries, they'll probably change. By this I mean, from the originals, they'll probably be changed to match that of DPPt and the effects given to them as well. This will definitely be needed for Wi-Fi purposes as well, seeing as some berries are very useful when it comes to competitive battling.

Merged thread regarding seeing Pokemon in the Day Care here, as it comes under speculation.

Personally, I'd like to be able to go and walk in the Day Care Centre and all, and see my Pokemon... might be odd if it's a legendary Pokemon though. XD (And would their sprites be bigger as well then?)
Indeed it is. Some people say it is in the coding, but I'm kinda doubtful about that, really. (And if it's in Platinum but not in DP... =/) But we shall see what happens with those items. I'd think we'd probably see RageCandyBars back in one way or another though given the reference there...

It was sad they took this feature with the DayCare Center away in RSE and then DPPt. I too would enjoy walking in to see my Pokémon strolling around the Center freely. It will indeed add back the nostalgic feel like what the originals had done. As for how large it may be, I'm not certain. Except, I definitely think this is possible as we even have our starters with OW sprites and a few other Pokémon too.

With the RageCandyBar, I'd like to see this come back. It was referred to in DPPt, and I think it has a chance of making a return to the remakes. It is uncertain if DPPt may have coding for it, but if not then it may be stored somewhere else in the game that'll deny access to trade it into DPPt. We'll basically have to wait and see how this comes about later on.

[Kyone]

In Japan there was a bulding in Goldenrod City called the Pokemon Mobile Communications Center replacing the Pokemon Center. It allowed users of a mobile phone to get a Celebi event. However, this was not included in the English version of G/S.

You know what, I remember this, and it was like this because America had too many different phone services in which it made it almost impossible to have the Celebi event brought to the US and other counties I believe. Though, with today, it may or may not return. Except, I see Celebi event being held through a Wi-Fi event with the GS Ball hopefully being involved.

[XxDawnfanxX]

That would be cool if it were to be held via wi-fi. The idea of the GS ball included would be sweet. It was an important part of the amine fat a certain point and it would be cool if it were to be in HG and SS as well. Possibly even getting to use it, or getting a reward for keeping it safe would be fitting if it were to include the GS ball.

[Pokedra]

I'm pretty sure they're going to make a Wonder Card event for Celebi like they did for the Key(for the Rotom appliances), you'll probably get a GS Ball and have to place it in the Ilex Shrine.

[jcogginsa]

To me, Red was the long-held goal for completing G/S/C. Although not strictly the end of the game (I mean, you can still basically do everything you did before), it gives a true sense of completion.
I personally think they will give Red his FRLG attire. Yes, while it would be very nostalgic to hav him wear the older clothes, it just seems to fit. Somebody above raised the fact that the Yellow (Red) sprite was used, and that there was no Yellow remake. It was still Red, the character we played as, so I believe he'll just be wearing the FRLG outfit.
Also, somebody raised the fact that we now have a girl called Blue (no, wait.. Green.) to take into consideration. I believe something'll be done. Perhaps if you play as a girl, you battle Green, or if you play as a boy you battle Red. Seems a bit unlikely, but i'd like to see Green tied into the game somehow. She does exist now, for one thing.
actually,her name is leaf

[Ooka]

I'm pretty sure they're going to make a Wonder Card event for Celebi like they did for the Key(for the Rotom appliances), you'll probably get a GS Ball and have to place it in the Ilex Shrine.

I doubt it. Celebi hasn't been available by cartridge without cheating ever (Without using events or bonus disks of course), so I'm sure it's about time they stuck it in one, and what better time than the release of a G/S remake?

[bobandbill]

Making the rounds now since the first few Coro Coro scans came through (thread on them here (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=181867)), there's now thoughts that Johto may be bigger by a bit... going on what is the Johto Map in the background:
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee328/Wulava/NewArea-1.png

Maybe we have a few new areas to expect, now.

[Kyone]

With these new looks and new areas, Johto will definitely seem bigger. I thought the new graphics and tile layout of it was big enough, but wow, they have been really putting in time, dedication, and consideration to these games. It is definitely going to be on my top to get for next year when it's released.

I've got to say though, could one of these new areas be a possible new league. I mean, a new league to seperate the Kanto and Johto league to have their own. tThis will allow us to get the National Dex earlier in the game. It'll probabaly also allow us to get the new Generation Pokémon earlier for further adventures into the game as well. Cianwood, it definitely appears to be getting a new look to match that of Canalave City. If that is bridges and a canal, then I think it'll be a nice and new fresh touch to the location.

Things have been turned into a more modern style. With the excessive amount of new space in teh DS cartridges compared to that of what we had in GB Color and GBA games, the new features are going to be quite a lot. New appearances, new looks, new events, new places, new and twisted storylines. It's going to be something to enjoy, I just hope it isn't altered too much where the great feel we had once in GSC is taken away.

[Ooka]

I'm interested in the Mushroom houses. I wonder what kind of place it could possibly be, as mushrooms hold no significance, besides the worthless mushrooms you can find laying around. But that is of course if it's even mushrooms, which I now doubt xD

[Mitchman]

Battle frontier or no dice. Seriously I am hoping for it.

[mathioks]

woohoo, just tought that the sacred ash will be available again :D!!! ( what'll happen to the ss users, since lugia doesn't have a sacred ash )

[Keyaki]

Well it's just been confirmed that after you beat the Pokemon League in SS/HG you will be able to capture Groudon in Soul Silver and Kyogre in HG

Not only that but for the people who have the Movie Edition of Arceus, if transferred to HG/SS, you will be able to capture a lv 1 Dialga, Palkia, and/or Giratina

So now with all this, I'm left wondering

What about the Legendary Birds?

I really don't care about Hoenn and Sinnoh's Legendary Pokemon since I'm just gonna trade them over anyway. What about Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno?

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[Mitchman]

You got platinum for the birds already no need to be in this as well.

[Ash493]

Imo they won't be inserted... We could've captured them in Platinum so there's no point to put them in again

[Ayselipera]

If your going to trade over your Hoenn legendaries
why don't you just trade over your Kanto Legendaries too.

[Keyaki]

I know I know thats true, I have Platinum too

But what about the people that don't have Platinum?

[Mitchman]

So what. If it is in those games its in. They do not put every legend in every game just cause people haven't bought the last iteration. Only case is the 3rd game and thats all or remakes as the case here for a new form or something.

[Yuoaman]

You can still get the three Birds in trades.

[Ayselipera]

I know I know thats true, I have Platinum too

But what about the people that don't have Platinum?


Good point. I guess they could use WiFi
unless they don't have that either than it
really blows for them. Such as myself :)

[øbliteration]

.... what if hoenn is in the game? think about it....
probably not. but, the legendaries, and i haven't seen any of kanto yet on any scans (although we haven't had many) [i'm sick of kanto!]

[Mitchman]

No Hoenn. If it was the legends would be in their respective region which they are not. I do not see the need to take out Kanto anyway,.

[Kyone]

.... what if hoenn is in the game? think about it....
probably not. but, the legendaries, and i haven't seen any of kanto yet on any scans (although we haven't had many) [i'm sick of kanto!]

Like Todoroki stated, Hoenn won't be put in as the three Hoenn Legendaries are found throught either Johto or Kanto. It isn't sure whether they'll be found roaming or if they'll be found in a fixed location. However, to back this up, Rayquaza himself will be found in teh game after obtaining both Kyogre and Groudon in one game. With this, you can defintiely know Hoenn won't be put in as Rayquaza's orignal location was the Sky Pillar.

Meanwhile, even though Kanto has been made for every Generation, it is still needed for this remake. For one, it is a place that can allow the game to expand and allow new features to be brought into the game. Not to mention, it'll add on more for the players to do. As well as this region is the holder of the Elite Four for both regions [not sure if they'll be seperated for the remake], and it is also the location to obtain certain items needed before. Also, if you think about it, without Kanto there is no need for Mt. Silver, which means you won't get to battle Red if you wanted. So, it all adds up to fit and I see no reason in why it should be taken away from the remakes either.

[Retro Bug]

Hmm, does the Kyogre/Groudon that you need to get Rayquazza have to be from HeartGold/SoulSilver? That's what I'm wondering. Or you just need the opposite from any game.

[Mitchman]

Hmm, does the Kyogre/Groudon that you need to get Rayquazza have to be from HeartGold/SoulSilver? That's what I'm wondering. Or you just need the opposite from any game.
I think you need to catch say Groudon go to heartgold trade it there then get Kyogre then get Rayquaza.

[Retro Bug]

I think you need to catch say Groudon go to heartgold trade it there then get Kyogre then get Rayquaza.
So, what I think you're saying is that the opposite has to be from HeartGold/SoulSilver. I mean it's no problem for me since eventually I am getting both games.

[Mitchman]

So, what I think you're saying is that the opposite has to be from HeartGold/SoulSilver. I mean it's no problem for me since eventually I am getting both games.
Exactly. G is in SS and K is in HG. So if you say catch G in SS transfer it to HG and catch K in HG you can get R in that game or viceversa. More clear for you to understand and yeah both games will be gotten by me. I have like 5 or 6 friends who own a DS and play rabidly Pokemon so this will go smoothly for me.

[Yuoaman]

Well Kanto is needed, as Kanto and Johto are basically just one region seperated by a mountain range, much like Sinnoh.

[Chibaymega12]

I wonder. Red. In Gold/Silver/Crystal, Red was based on the Yellow Red, having Pikachu and the three starters. Gold/Silver/Crystal were sequels to Red/Blue/Yellow.

Ok. HeartGold/SoulSilver are sequels to LeafGreen/FireRed. However, in those games there was not a Yellow equivalent. So the Yellow Red doesn't exist here.

So... how may be the final battle with Red? Will he still be based in a distant Yellow version's Red, or not, since he didn't exist in Generation 3?

I've had similar thoughts. Since there have been more generations since G/S, maybe Red's team has grown to the other regions. Maybe he'll have some 4th and 3rd generation pokemon. Who knows? I hope, for myself, that Red's team changes depending on the day of the week, time of day, etc. But that may be too much to ask for. And I doubt that'll happen.
But, I think that the same routes of the team should stay intact, with just a couple minor changes in the lineup.

they're obviously going to update his looks, so don't get your hopes up about having the same sprite that was used in GSC, i, for one, don't want that, i want the red from FR/LG, as these games are the sequel to them.
i think a double battle against red & "green" would be cool for the end, so it'd be gold & "soul" against them, or silver, and they could be your partner going through mt silver.

I do like this idea. Maybe a choice between partnering or going alone? That would be something I'd deffinately like to see.

Also, what about the one-on-one trainer house? Do you think it'll be a wifi plaza or sorts? A place to pick a network, chillout and battle? If it is a wifi plaza, will the exp gain stay (I think you still gained exp in the 1-on-1 house...)? What do you think will become of it?

[YellowPen]

with the way things are going im sure if you traded over all the legendary birds, an event where mewtwo will happen

[bobandbill]

Merged thread regarding Kanto birds possibly being in HG/SS here.

IMO it probably won't happen, as they are in Platinum and Nintendo still like to encourage people to trade or get more games to collect them all... although I wouldn't quite discount it yet, really.

[Chibaymega12]

with the way things are going im sure if you traded over all the legendary birds, an event where mewtwo will happen

Forgive my ignorance, but what do Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno have to do with Mewtwo?

[Kyone]

Forgive my ignorance, but what do Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno have to do with Mewtwo?

For me, it doesn't but I'd probably call that idea basic speculations. As Pokémon is sometimes known for certain activities to unleash another Pokémon in the game. For example, in Diamond.Pearl you needed the three Regiis from RSE to activate the Regigigas in Snowpoint City. Of course, those four Pokémon do have a relation with one another. A more clear point than the three birds do with Mewtwo, but you never know what Pokémon may come up with when working on their games.

However, for me, seeing as though they were available in Platinum running loosely, I'd doubt they'll add them again in these remakes. GameFreak would want to keep it this way to pormote trade [like said] and promote people to continue playing Platinum, but still promoting larger sales for their new releases and upcoming releases like HeartGold and SoulSilver.

[Akira Uchiha]

I think the people were saying before that if you got a Kyogre/Groudon from RSE, migrated it to DP and traded to HGSS, do you think Rayquaza would still appear or it has to be from the opposite game? And how would they know -.- well besides the caught location.

[e4darthteej]

You know these movie events are really piquing my curiosity.

First we have two Pichus at the Ilex Shrine. It's almost definitely going to be a Celebi event, but how is it going to play out? How do two random Pichus make Celebi reveal itself?

Next we have Cynthia standing in a mysterious place where(supposedly) the birth of the dragon trio to be witnessed. What's she doing there? It could be that she knows much more about the Sinnoh space time legend than anyone thought, she might even be a time lord or a deity.

[Pokémon Professor]

I actually approve of the three legendary bird ‎Pokémon being involved in the HGSS series as it would be an interesting spin-off in regards to their involvement in DPPt. Mind you f l a s h raises a valid point with questioning whether Nintendo would want to overuse Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno.

This brings me to the thought of when we saw the trio fight it out in The Power of One with Lugia, that could be a possibility?

Also tbh I was slightly disappointed in seeing Groudon and Kyogre's involvement within the game, whether I'm somewhat slightly in denial or I simply feel Nintendo are taking a rather foolish gamble of introducing Generation IV Pokémon into HGSS potentially wrecking the plot. Hopefully Nintendo has a valid reason.

[Foo Fighter]

First we have two Pichus at the Ilex Shrine. It's almost definitely going to be a Celebi event, but how is it going to play out? How do two random Pichus make Celebi reveal itself?


I thought that that vent was simply an event to get the pikachu colored noth ear pichu. Not a Celebi related event. A

Also, I'm baffled as to how groudon and Kyogre will play out in the plot. Im hoping that its just some type of add on or something. (Or maybe they're adding Hoenn as another visitable region, ha. I can dream.

[Pan!ko]

Does anybody remember the frustration they went through to try and get all the dogs in the orginal GS? Well i certanly do. In the orginal, once u release them from their chamber, u didn't know the whereabouts of any of them. Then once u finally see one, u have to move between 2 routes and open ur pokedex each time u do so, to check whether or not that dog was in ur area. Do people think they would add on a marking map on the bottom screen to make it easier for the remake?

[Alec_]

I think it's not easier. The only technique is be sure that your first pokemon got a Mean Look. Then you could capture it because it cannot escape. xD

~Fairytales.

[XxDawnfanxX]

I'd always save a lot before my encounters with the dogs so if I missed my chance, I could try again. I do not think it should be easier. I like the challenge, you can get em no matter what the task though. ;)

[bobandbill]

Merged speculation on the Johto Beasts here, due to the speculative nature of the speculation. =P

I believe they might go and make it easier - it depends though how far the Pokegear-on-the-bottom-screen feature extends, I suppose - if one can see Pokemon data in the Pokedex via it, then I suppose it will be easier.

[Akira Uchiha]

-.- I really want this game now with all the new news that's been coming out! (LOL, I don't even care anymore about the bad design of the girl) But it sucks that Groudons in SS, cause I don't like Groudon. But I like Lugia, maybe I'll get both versions.

[Mitchman]

-.- I really want this game now with all the new news that's been coming out! (LOL, I don't even care anymore about the bad design of the girl) But it sucks that Groudons in SS, cause I don't like Groudon. But I like Lugia, maybe I'll get both versions.
Well if you hope hard enough Lugia will be in HG as it was before in gold at level 70.

[Kyone]

I thought catchnig the dogs were a lot harder in the originals too, yes. Especially when I had encountered Entei too early in the game after seeing it flee from the towers and I never got to catch it again. However, like stated, the level of diffculty for catching it now varies. The reason why is because in DPPt they brought in the Locator App [I'm sure it had another name for it], but it allowed us to track where the Pokémon like Cresselia and Mesprit were located in the Sinnoh region. If this is brought back to the remakes, then I would think a lot of people would be tracking them. This will make it a bit easier to get ready for their encounter and capture when you finally meet up with them.

Even though, with the three legendary dogs I wouldn't mind them having their own encounter music like what was done to Mesprit in DPPt. I thought that was a nice touch and I'd like to see it implemented once more.

[Ineffable~]

Forgive my ignorance, but what do Moltres, Zapdos, and Articuno have to do with Mewtwo? It's not really about their correlation, but it's a good idea for Nintendo, as it'll encourage people to get Platinum (where, of course, the trio appears).

[e4darthteej]

I thought that that vent was simply an event to get the pikachu colored noth ear pichu. Not a Celebi related event. A

Also, I'm baffled as to how groudon and Kyogre will play out in the plot. Im hoping that its just some type of add on or something. (Or maybe they're adding Hoenn as another visitable region, ha. I can dream.

I have to disagree about your opinion on the Pichu event, why would they place that event in a location a legendary Pokemon would be caught? It's the equivalent of making that shiny Milotic that was given out be caught at the Spear Pillar.

Also, I bet that you'll hear rumours of a massive flood or drought(version-specific obviously) happening in the Sevill islands about 3/4 of the way through Kanto. You'll go on a big sub-plot in the islands that ends with catching the legendary. Later you'll go to navel rock and find an item that boosts Rayquaza's dragon and flying type moves and no entrance to the top. When you have Groundon and Kyogre in your party stairs to the top will have opened and you'll be able to fight Rayquaza there.

[Retro Bug]

The LDogs were hard in the originals. I never even came across them, if I did I don't remember them. I think they'll be easier to catch in the remake. If they bring back the App that they had for the Pokétch, well just something similar to it.

[blueblur155]

Also, I bet that you'll hear rumours of a massive flood or drought(version-specific obviously) happening in the Sevill islands about 3/4 of the way through Kanto. You'll go on a big sub-plot in the islands that ends with catching the legendary. Later you'll go to navel rock and find an item that boosts Rayquaza's dragon and flying type moves and no entrance to the top. When you have Groundon and Kyogre in your party stairs to the top will have opened and you'll be able to fight Rayquaza there.

this seems like the most logical way for nintendo to present groudon/kyogre (and it sounds SWEET too!)

[pikalax]

Okay, new idea time!

Roaming Pokemon. We need some for Kanto. Any ideas?

[Keyaki]

Okay, new idea time!

Roaming Pokemon. We need some for Kanto. Any ideas?

Legendary birds?

Only options

[Retro Bug]

I doubt the LBirds will be roaming, since we can get them from Pt. I don't think we need any roaming Pokémon. Maybe the LDogs but other than that, no thanks.

[Kyone]

I doubt the LBirds will be roaming, since we can get them from Pt. I don't think we need any roaming Pokémon. Maybe the LDogs but other than that, no thanks.

This I agree with, and others have said it too. We wouldn't need the legendary birds, Articuno, Zapdos, or Moltres available seeing as Platinum brought them back. However, the Legendary Beasts may be the ones found roaming.

There has been speculation with the sighting of the Hoenn region legendaries being found my roaming, but honestly I don't know how that would work out. I'd prefer them being in a fixed location somewhere either in Johto or Kanto and available after Post-National Dex. However, it is said that if you have both Kyogre and Groundon in your one game, then it activates Rayquaza.

Seeing as how Rayquaza doesn't have the Sky Pillar to rest in through the Johto and Kanto, then I can see this Hoenn Legendary being found roaming the area. Plus, it can fly and it is fast so it isn't like it'll be a strange occurrance either. Other than that, I don't see anything else that'll be needed for roaming purposes.

[Retro Bug]

There has been speculation with the sighting of the Hoenn region legendaries being found my roaming, but honestly I don't know how that would work out. I'd prefer them being in a fixed location somewhere either in Johto or Kanto and available after Post-National Dex. However, it is said that if you have both Kyogre and Groundon in your one game, then it activates Rayquaza.


Yeah Groudon/Kyogre should have a fixed location. Because I can't imagine Groudon moving to different route so quickly. Kyogre would have to stay in the water, and there's not a lot of water routes. As for Rayquazza, yes I can see it roaming around after you have both Groudon and Kyogre.

[Ineffable~]

Agreed, Discostick. I think it'd be cool if they had five roaming Pokémon, just like in Platinum. Rayquaza, Entei, Suicune, Raikou, and... Ho-oh or Lugia, depending on which one you didn't catch first. Or, Latios or Latias would nice, too. No one seems to mention them anymore... they aren't seen at all in Generation IV, yet no one complains.

[e4darthteej]

Mew could,would. and should work(as a runner). In the Anime it's shown to be a very fickle and fast Pokemon that bounds from place to place constantly.

[WANDEROUSTREE]

idk i think that the knew pokemon games on the DS r going to be gay i wasnt a big fan of diamond/pearl/plat. just because on how your guy looked and the "3d" and the lame music call me old fashioned but i think that its all about FR/LG.

[e4darthteej]

What an amazing post, your well reasoned and explained point was a great addition to a forum that was clearly meant for complaints despite the fact that there's a complaint forum right above it. I also loved how you obeyed the rules by using the word 'gay' in proper context and not as an insult. Finally your fantastic grammar was the icing on the great post cake.

[Chibaymega12]

This brings me to the thought of when we saw the trio fight it out in The Power of One with Lugia, that could be a possibility?
Regards,
The Pokémon Professor
Perhaps in HeartGold, but, remember, in Silver, you get Lugia anyways (I believe in Gold too later on the game? correct me on this?). But, like I said, Maybe in gold they'll make it a requirement that you have Zapdos, Articuno, and Moltres to be able to get Lugia in HeartGold. But then, they'd have to make some sort of requirement to get Ho-Oh in SoulSilver. So I guess we'll just see how it plays out.

Mew could,would. and should work(as a runner). In the Anime it's shown to be a very fickle and fast Pokemon that bounds from place to place constantly.

Nintendo has made a pretty plain to see and strong point that Mew should be scarce and shouldn't be just easy to get(such as in the game's story), but you have to get it by special events. I doubt they'd change that now.

[Akira Uchiha]

What about the new info? Its been confirmed that all 493 pokemon can follow you- what do you think of that? (This info was on Serebii)

EDIT: Plus, it says the map goes east to Kanto and Mount Silver, which pretty much confirms Kanto is in the game (correct me if I'm wrong.)

[bobandbill]

I do believe that info is AWESOME. Although a bit weird in that some Pokemon following you would be...well, weid. And potentially humuorous. Such as Magikarp, or Wailord...

Also means it's more likely we can see our Pokemon at the least in the Day Care Centre as well, if not being able to explore it as well. That's how I see it, anyway.

[Kyone]

I do believe that info is AWESOME. Although a bit weird in that some Pokemon following you would be...well, weid. And potentially humuorous. Such as Magikarp, or Wailord...

Also means it's more likely we can see our Pokemon at the least in the Day Care Centre as well, if not being able to explore it as well. That's how I see it, anyway.

I know BeachBoy will be thrilled to have a Wailord following him, it couldn't make him any happier I'm sure.

However, I agree it'll be strange seeing some following us, especially the legendaries such as Kyogre, Groudon, and Arceus. Though, there are a few exception like having Sky Form Shaymin [hopefully] following us and more.

My only wondering thought though, is that when it comes to surfing, seeing as they've given every Pokémon in the game an OW sprite, will there be a set blue figure we surf on, or will they show the actual water Pokémon? This is what interests me the most and I'd hope they make an improvement on it.

[Giraffes? Giraffes!]

My only wondering thought though, is that when it comes to surfing, seeing as they've given every Pokémon in the game an OW sprite, will there be a set blue figure we surf on, or will they show the actual water Pokémon? This is what interests me the most and I'd hope they make an improvement on it.

Well, it all depends on how the over-world sprites really look. Wailord is the biggest pokemon ever which means if you surfed on that Pokemon you really wouldn't be able to squeeze threw the often tiny places that you are given to surf, victory road for example(I'm talking D/P/Pt here). So i personally think they will keep the tiny sprites for surfing and whatnot.

[Ineffable~]

I know BeachBoy will be thrilled to have a Wailord following him, it couldn't make him any happier I'm sure.

However, I agree it'll be strange seeing some following us, especially the legendaries such as Kyogre, Groudon, and Arceus. Though, there are a few exception like having Sky Form Shaymin [hopefully] following us and more.

My only wondering thought though, is that when it comes to surfing, seeing as they've given every Pokémon in the game an OW sprite, will there be a set blue figure we surf on, or will they show the actual water Pokémon? This is what interests me the most and I'd hope they make an improvement on it. Well, the only problem with that, is that not just "Surfing" Pokémon can "learn" Surf. People may hack Pokémon to learn Surf illegally, and since they never made a Surfing sprite for that Pokémon, it would cause glitches. That's probably why they've always had the monotone sprite...

[Retro Bug]

My only wondering thought though, is that when it comes to surfing, seeing as they've given every Pokémon in the game an OW sprite, will there be a set blue figure we surf on, or will they show the actual water Pokémon? This is what interests me the most and I'd hope they make an improvement on it.

I'm thinking this too. I mean they've already made the OW sprites for all the Pokémon, they could use them for this as well. I mean it would look awesome if they would do this, even have the OW sprite of whatever Pokémon you picked to use Surf.

Now, what about all this Touch Screen business? It looks very interesting but I don't get it. You use the touch screen instead of the buttons? Is it an updated version of the DPPt, touch screen PC Boxes?

[Asztrik]

Well, the only problem with that, is that not just "Surfing" Pokémon can "learn" Surf. People may hack Pokémon to learn Surf illegally, and since they never made a Surfing sprite for that Pokémon, it would cause glitches. That's probably why they've always had the monotone sprite...

Well I don't think they would keep a monotone sprite just because it would be easier for hackers... so I think its entirely possible for Pokemon to have their own surf sprites.

[Kyone]

I'm thinking this too. I mean they've already made the OW sprites for all the Pokémon, they could use them for this as well. I mean it would look awesome if they would do this, even have the OW sprite of whatever Pokémon you picked to use Surf.

Now, what about all this Touch Screen business? It looks very interesting but I don't get it. You use the touch screen instead of the buttons? Is it an updated version of the DPPt, touch screen PC Boxes?

We'll see how the surfing turns out, but I do think it is a possibility of them having their own surfing sprite. It'll work out well if they take up one tile space as well. However, looking at the example they give when looking at your Pokémon, it shows a ribbon, meaning there just may be a chance at contests in the game.

However, everything is now going to be utilized through the touchscreen, at least almsot everything. This will include you bag, viewing your Pokémon team, PokéDex, PC Boxes, and a bit more. Though, it is slight confusing as it is basically a new feature. However I'm sure as time goes by things will be explained briefly on how to use it all. Not to mention, this is a Pokémon game, so I'm sure the creators of it will keep it at a easy enough level where younger kids will understand on how to take use of it all.

[Retro Bug]

We'll see how the surfing turns out, but I do think it is a possibility of them having their own surfing sprite. It'll work out well if they take up one tile space as well. However, looking at the example they give when looking at your Pokémon, it shows a ribbon, meaning there just may be a chance at contests in the game.

However, everything is now going to be utilized through the touchscreen, at least almost everything. This will include you bag, viewing your Pokémon team, PokéDex, PC Boxes, and a bit more. Though, it is slight confusing as it is basically a new feature. However I'm sure as time goes by things will be explained briefly on how to use it all. Not to mention, this is a Pokémon game, so I'm sure the creators of it will keep it at a easy enough level where younger kids will understand on how to take use of it all.

Well hopefully they add the OW sprites for surfing as well, or just you on a Wailord, something else besides that monotone sprite. I thoughht I was riding on a Wailmer anyway. But if they do it for surfing, then what about flying? It looked like a Togekiss in DPPt. So if they do the surfing perhaps they can work something out with the flying OW sprites? CONTEST ( something I'll never do but good for people who get bored easily. hehe)

Oh, well that gives me a chance to use my stylus, because I basically just used the buttons for everything. I hope that thise whole touch screen feature will be awesome, because I love the touch screen!

[Akira Uchiha]

I really hope we could have a choice of using the touch screen or buttons, because my touch screen is broken. When I touch one spot the screen is like I touched another, and I can't configure it. T.T

[altaria221]

Do you believe there will be a pal park in HG/SS?
Or is the whole HG/SS idea to get rid of pal park with the DSi?

[World King]

Well, there IS a new area west of National Park, but since most of the Pokémon we can get in Gen. 3 we might be able to get here, maybe there won't be PP after all...

[Melodyfree]

If we can get Gen III pokemon at some point, I don't think it'll be necessary...
But they might include it anyway. Not that I'd ever use it though, since I don't own any GBA games.

[Ayselipera]

Its possible, but I can't give a definet answer either way.

[Ineffable~]

Well I don't think they would keep a monotone sprite just because it would be easier for hackers... so I think its entirely possible for Pokemon to have their own surf sprites. Well, everyone thinks that, but they really don't like the games to get all glitchy. They do that with everything else, actually. It's why Arceus has a ???-type form.

[Yuoaman]

Probably not, since you can walk your lead Pokemon anywhere, and they pick up items there it isn't necessary.

[mewunlimited]

Abandoning the glitch topic, they will probably remove being able to catch both Ho-oh and Lugia in 1 game. It would spoil the "effect".

I think Silver's sprite is good. Hasn't anyone wondered about the second floor of professor elm's lab? I wonder whats up there.

Also, the new pokedex looks more like a scrapbook than a pokedex. The only thing I like it's new touchscreen navigation.

Finally,.....
HO-OH FTW!!

[Kyone]

Abandoning the glitch topic, they will probably remove being able to catch both Ho-oh and Lugia in 1 game. It would spoil the "effect".

I think Silver's sprite is good. Hasn't anyone wondered about the second floor of professor elm's lab? I wonder whats up there.

Also, the new pokedex looks more like a scrapbook than a pokedex. The only thing I like it's new touchscreen navigation.

Finally,.....
HO-OH FTW!!


I wouldn't think they'll remove them as it'll just give Tin Towers no reason in SoulSilver and it'll give the Whirl Islands no purpose in HeartGold. Not to mention, they've been showing the two Pokémon strongly at their respective locations, so I would think they'll make a return in both games. However, it is Kyogre and Groudon that has become exclusive for the game, which is interesting to note.

Many have wondered what is up in the second floor of the lab. There has been many speculations on whether it is just there for no reason, to being the place to get the Rotom forms and it has also been said that it may be just there to follow more on how Silver managed to steal one of the starters. It is a question right now, but I'm sure we'll get it figured out when later scans or information comes out.

The PokéDex has gotten a massive update from the front interface to within. Even though it may look like pages, I think it seems more organized and heavily detailed. I think they did a good job on this and the next generation will have to come really good to top this game, for being a simple remake.

Also, yes Ho-Oh and Lugia for the win. It is definitely great to have the remakes confirmed indeed.

[Samme!]

Just like others said, I really don't see the need for there to be a Pal Park in these games. Since the player will be able to catch Gen. 1 in Johto that takaes away the need to migrate from LeafGreen and FireRed. Also, with many people now having the DSi, migrating in would be impossible unless you traded over from DPP.

[Alxprit]

Probably not, since you can walk your lead Pokemon anywhere, and they pick up items there it isn't necessary.
I think you confused Pal Park with Amity Square.

[Yuoaman]

Yes... yes I did... and I don't know why, for the life of me... O_o

Anyways I still think not, since you can get all of the generations Pokemon in this game and from DPP.

[Ineffable~]

It would feel weird to have Pal Park in Johto, as that is a long-and-gone thing for me now (I have a Dsi), but I don't see why not to include it...

[kingofjokers]

Okay my opinions I doubt that they will put in pal park because of the dsi. They want to sell more dsi so then if they are promoting the dsi. Then why would they put it in they would be making dsi ware or whatever they are called me personally I wont buy a dsi. If they would put one in my guess would be they would put it in kanto.

[Pokedra]

I don't think so, there's no real need.

There might be, I don't know =/

[bobandbill]

Merged topic on Pal Park and whether it'd be in or not here.

[Ineffable~]

Okay my opinions I doubt that they will put in pal park because of the dsi. They want to sell more dsi so then if they are promoting the dsi. But then again, they're promoting the DS Lite, too. People are already buying the Dsi for its other amazing features, the internet access and built-in cameras being only a few. It really doesn't need any help from HG/SS. If they put in Pal Park, it will encourage people to buy the DS Lite too. Get the people who are unwilling to spend money on a Dsi, to buy the original. Get both of them selling at a steady pace, keep both empires alive.

[-Leaf]

Remember the old man in brock's city that gives you the other games spacial item for the mascot (silver wing or lugia and rainbow wing for ho-oh)
since groudon / kyogre would be available, would they be replaced with the counterpart?

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

The new map of Johto has a discrepancy as opposed to its original. Did a river always run through the routes south of Blackthorn?

It saddens me to see that Goldenrod has a standard Pokémon Center in it.

[mewunlimited]

The PokéDex has gotten a massive update from the front interface to within. Even though it may look like pages, I think it seems more organized and heavily detailed. I think they did a good job on this and the next generation will have to come really good to top this game, for being a simple remake.

Also, yes Ho-Oh and Lugia for the win. It is definitely great to have the remakes confirmed indeed.

Keep in mind that johto is supposed to be way more oldfashioned than the other regions. That would explain the scrapbook-acy of the pokedex. This is why johto is very much like the countryside. And it's not ho-oh and lugia, just ho-oh. I like him better.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Keep in mind that johto is supposed to be way more oldfashioned than the other regions. That would explain the scrapbook-acy of the pokedex. This is why johto is very much like the countryside. And it's not ho-oh and lugia, just ho-oh. I like him better.
Keep in mind that the Kanto Pokédex (as of FireRed/LeafGreen) has an interface that is akin to books as well; page flipping and all.

[Mitchman]

The new map of Johto has a discrepancy as opposed to its original. Did a river always run through the routes south of Blackthorn?

It saddens me to see that Goldenrod has a standard Pokémon Center in it.
No actually that river is new as well as that new area next to the national park and Cianwood got some kinda river and there is a cave above the mount motar enterance the ruins are less cave like and more anciet tomb like and goldenrod for now is unreckognizable. The old Johto is still there albeit out of date and not usable. I am betting the only way the old guides can be used is for plots and all. Maps will change it seems(there is now a patch of grass before the guy who stops you if you do not have the badge from Falkner on route 32) and it looks like they will be more detailed and richer meaning it will be hard to see the original look at first. Johto has literally been ripped a new one.

[bobandbill]

Some things do appear to be the same though - although there are places with some changes here and there, places such as the Slowpoke cave look preety much identical to what they were in GSC, down to the exact positions of the Team Rocket people. (Or leastways, from what I remember of it - but I remember it only too well XD).

[Mitchman]

Yeah but goldenrod has changed the most I think. Hell there seems to be a path going to the left from the radio tower isntead of it properly stopping.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

No actually that river is new as well as that new area next to the national park and Cianwood got some kinda river and there is a cave above the mount motar enterance the ruins are less cave like and more anciet tomb like and goldenrod for now is unreckognizable. The old Johto is still there albeit out of date and not usable. I am betting the only way the old guides can be used is for plots and all. Maps will change it seems(there is now a patch of grass before the guy who stops you if you do not have the badge from Falkner on route 32) and it looks like they will be more detailed and richer meaning it will be hard to see the original look at first. Johto has literally been ripped a new one.

Way to state the obvious. I can analyse maps too, ya know. D;

Achievement unlocked: Captain Obvious.
Achievement unlocked: Rhetorical answerer.

[Retro Bug]

I'm wondering if they'll have that trader at the beginning. When you trade him a Bellsprout, and he'll give you an Onix. That's how I want to get my Onix. The Slowpoke Well does look awesome, and I do think the TRGrunts are even in the same position! The Slowpokes look way cooler. (Well duh.) Cherrygove is looking awesome as well. I wonder where that path in Goldenrod branches off to? Probably just some area to catch Pokémon.
Edit:Where did you see a standard PokéCenter in Goldenrod?

[Mitchman]

I'm wondering if they'll have that trader at the beginning. When you trade him a Bellsprout, and he'll give you an Onix. That's how I want to get my Onix. The Slowpoke Well does look awesome, and I do think the TRGrunts are even in the same position! The Slowpokes look way cooler. (Well duh.) Cherrygove is looking awesome as well. I wonder where that path in Goldenrod branches off to? Probably just some area to catch Pokémon.
Edit:Where did you see a standard PokéCenter in Goldenrod?
Under the train station a bit. Man I hope that, that onix gets a random metal coat sometimes just for a steelix. XD

[Retro Bug]

Under the train station a bit. Man I hope that, that onix gets a random metal coat sometimes just for a steelix. XD

On the map? Didn't Goldenrod always have a standard PokéCenter, but then again I don't get what it means to be "standard". That's wayy to early in the game to have a Steelix. (:3!) It's "before" the first gym.

[Mitchman]

It was a pcc in crystal for Japan. The PCC is the ancestor of the gts really.

[e4darthteej]

I think it's good that Gamefreak doesn't feel that they have to stick religiously to the old maps and design. After all in the Kanto threads people kept saying that Johto should be brought to life more, and it looks like they're doing just that.

That being said I don't like the overly cartoony look of the caves and Ruins of Alph. It'll lead to a major soundtrack dissonance when we hear the awesome music remixes of their themes which were very ominous in the orignal.

[Kyone]

I think it's good that Gamefreak doesn't feel that they have to stick religiously to the old maps and design. After all in the Kanto threads people kept saying that Johto should be brought to life more, and it looks like they're doing just that.

That being said I don't like the overly cartoony look of the caves and Ruins of Alph. It'll lead to a major soundtrack dissonance when we hear the awesome music remixes of their themes which were very ominous in the orignal.

There are some new areas and then there are some of the original locations that we know of. I too feel as though GameFreak made a nice move in doing something other than a strict remake of the original. Joht and Kanto both needed something more to them to give it life. Not to mention, with DPPt bringing the games to a higher standards teh remakes of these games would have had to be something good. Overall, the changes made the a plus and the added new features as well.

A little cartoony? I wouldn't call it that seeing as though they are DPPt format just with a more updated look. It shouldn't twis the soundtrack of the location now the game in any way. Though, so far of what we have heard, the music in the game is coming along nicely and it wouldn't bother me too much whether it be good or bad, because like all games if I don't want to hear it I can just lower the volume.

Anyway, I have to compliment on the Slowpoke Well as it has been kept to look the same, but of course with a nice touch of the new tiles and 2D/3D appearance. It seems as though we'll know what our Slowpoke OW sprite is as well if we ever wanted our own to tag along behind us.

[Akira Uchiha]

Hey, umm... do you think that they will keep that "search" function on the pokedex from DPPt? I remember from FRLG I really hated that pokedex escpecially when we had to search for Suicune and I had to scroll through for a long time before getting to the end...

[Mew~]

I had an idea that maybe the starters start off in eggs

[Ineffable~]

Gosh, I hated the Pokédex in FRLG! (Or am I getting the word "Pokédex" mixed up with "Everything"? Hmmmm...) I think Game Freak has learned its lesson about all the stupid new crap they put in FRLG. The help screen, the Pokédex, a boring new set of islands... enough, enough! If we have any luck, HG/SS will be based more off of D/P/Pt than C/R/Ap.

[Mitchman]

No HGSS will be based off of the original games but heavily ramped up. Its a nice change from how fr/lg was just Kanto with paint.

[Kyone]

Hey, umm... do you think that they will keep that "search" function on the pokedex from DPPt? I remember from FRLG I really hated that pokedex escpecially when we had to search for Suicune and I had to scroll through for a long time before getting to the end...

Seeing as how the PokéDex is a lot more advanced than the one in DPPt, I would assume they may keep the feature. However you never know if it could be removed, but I strongly believe it'll be a kept "search function" for the new Dex.

I had an idea that maybe the starters start off in eggs

Looking at last month's scans and the new scans we choose our starters like before in the originals. This is when we visit Prof. Elm and he provides us the three starter choices in their Pokéballs. Though, they have changed the look of it and made the choice selection in more advanced terms like a round table machine. Imagine the roundle electric machine where Ash first got Piakchu in the anime episode one and you may realize what I am talking about. Or, you can simply look at the Coro Coro scans from last month and you'll see exactly what I am referring to on how we choose our starting Pokémon.

[Ineffable~]

Keep in mind that johto is supposed to be way more oldfashioned than the other regions. That would explain the scrapbook-acy of the pokedex. This is why johto is very much like the countryside. Yeah, I love that. Sinnoh and Johto are always the more classic regions, while Kanto and Hoenn are... am I gonna use the word "crappy" again? I like how, in GSC, they fashioned Kanto to make it more classic like Johto. So, Hoenn is the only one that gets left in the dust...

[Mew~]

yeah i know that it was just an idea...

[mewunlimited]

You know the new area at national park?
I think there's a special pokemon there like a free scyther up for grabs. And maybe You meet Bugsy there because you arive in azaela to find that the gym is empty.

[Mitchman]

You know the new area at national park?
I think there's a special pokemon there like a free scyther up for grabs. And maybe You meet Bugsy there because you arive in azaela to find that the gym is empty.
Can't happen as that happens way before you even reach there.

[ReyRey-Pyon]

I had an idea that maybe the starters start off in eggs
eggs have just been discovered though.

when you start up the game, nobody really knows about eggs until Mr. pokemon

i assume they wont change it

[mewunlimited]

sorry, I never got around to playing GII.
But what do you think is there?

[Retro Bug]

sorry, I never got around to playing GII.
But what do you think is there?

For me, I think that it could be like a Battle Zone Area. Or it could be another "park-like" area. There are tons of possibilities of what that place could actually be.

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

eggs have just been discovered though.

when you start up the game, nobody really knows about eggs until Mr. pokemon
FireRed and LeafGreen contradict that idea.

[Twilite Darkrai]

Is this fake?
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ntveo9.jpg

[Kyone]

Is this fake?
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ntveo9.jpg

It depends on where you found it. Not to mention I haven't seen this image anywhere on a scan neither around floating on any other site. It may possibly be a well done fan-made image, but right now I don't think it may be real. Not to mention, some of the tiles used for the image doesn't seem to fit with anything else we have seen so far.

EDIT: I was looking closely at the image. If you look at Gold and Totodile you will notice their OW sprites not only match that from the Slowpoke Well image outside, but compared to the other two OW sprites of people, Gold and Totodile have a little distortion and blurriness to it.

[Haza]

I dont see why anyone would fake that particular image at this point. Looks real to me but I havent seen it around and people are usually pretty quick to jump on such images.

[Mitchman]

Bad edit. The statues are too big and uh one without a base and one with a base? Also note how the totodile and gold are badly put into the shot.

[Haza]

The statues do look pretty odd. Anyway, I wonder Pokemon that swim will follow you.

[billi1000]

Hey everybody, i was just wondering, do you think that after beating the game, you might be able to rebattle the gym leaders which will have much more powerful Pokemon like in DPPt in the Survival Area? And do you think the Elite 4 will be stronger that before? in Gold and Silver, the leverls of the pokemon in the league ranged from 40 to 50, so if they were higher , would you be up for the challage??

[bobandbill]

Merged thread on whether one can rebattle gym leaders here, as it belongs in the speculation thread. (And there's another thread already made on whether Pokemon and trainers will be stronger in HG/SS or not as well).

[Kyone]

Hey everybody, i was just wondering, do you think that after beating the game, you might be able to rebattle the gym leaders which will have much more powerful Pokemon like in DPPt in the Survival Area? And do you think the Elite 4 will be stronger that before? in Gold and Silver, the leverls of the pokemon in the league ranged from 40 to 50, so if they were higher , would you be up for the challage??

Seeing as how it was done in Emerald and Platinum, plus FireRed and LeafGreed I would assume Gyms and Elites may end up getting stronger. Not to mention their moves might end up changing, levels might be risen and also some of the newer generation Pokémon might be added into their roster.

Now, whether our rematch will be back in a gym or in a new area really depends on what they do with the game. However, there are some spotted new areas in Johto from recent Coro Coro scans, so this new locations could be a similar building to that of the Trainer Café from Pokémon Platinum. As for the challege, yes it'll be a challenge, but ut really depends on what level and how well trained my Pokémon may be at that time.

By the way, I was reading up some more information on Arceus and how it works with the three dieties of space, time and distortion. It seems as though, it will be your choice, and only one choice, on which Dragon diety you want to have born from the great Arceus.

[mewunlimited]

Seeing as how it was done in Emerald and Platinum, plus FireRed and LeafGreed I would assume Gyms and Elites may end up getting stronger. Not to mention their moves might end up changing, levels might be risen and also some of the newer generation Pokémon might be added into their roster.

Now, whether our rematch will be back in a gym or in a new area really depends on what they do with the game. However, there are some spotted new areas in Johto from recent Coro Coro scans, so this new locations could be a similar building to that of the Trainer Café from Pokémon Platinum. As for the challege, yes it'll be a challenge, but ut really depends on what level and how well trained my Pokémon may be at that time.

By the way, I was reading up some more information on Arceus and how it works with the three dieties of space, time and distortion. It seems as though, it will be your choice, and only one choice, on which Dragon diety you want to have born from the great Arceus.

Speaking of that, the johto GL's need a seious overhaul. Whitney ant have just two pokemon. And in Kanto, I think Hoenn pokemon will be found there coz we all know there isnt going to be a GIII remake.

I thought the thing about arceus was obvious from the beginning. What I dont understand, is why Arceus would make another one of the deities when he already has one of each. It would throw the Universe into Limbo.

[ThePokePoo]

I wonder if they release something like a full scale RPG for the wii that would be da bomb maybe a johto kanto like this combined with hoenn and the sinnoh, that might be a bit too much for one game tho ! lol

[Ineffable~]

Here's an idea.
Maybe Arceus is just summoning the deities because Cynthia wants to know more about them. But then, when they appear, everything starts going weird. Then, Cynthia tells you to battle them and that she'll battle the other two. You just go up to one of them and commence a battle. If you catch Dialga, Cynthia catches Palkia. If you Giratina, Cynthia catches Dialga. If you catch Palkia, Cynthia catches Giratina. Then the third one runs away. Cynthia can use her caught dragon to fight you somewhere in the game (I really think we should have a chance to battle Cynthia somewhere). Yeah, maybe not such a great idea, but I like it.

The way I came up with the cycle is this: Dialga is a Steel type and thusly is resistant to Giratina's Ghost moves and not weak to its Dragon moves. Therefore, Dialga trumps Giratina, and Cynthia catches the better one.
Giratina can inflict super-effective STAB damage on Palkia with Dragon moves, and is resistant to Palkia's Water attacks. So Giratina trumps Palkia.
Palkia has Spacial Rend, which is better than Roar of Time. (Dialga would probably win this one, but let's just follow the triangle. xD)

I wonder if they release something like a full scale RPG for the wii that would be da bomb maybe a johto kanto like this combined with hoenn and the sinnoh, that might be a bit too much for one game tho ! lol It'd be better if it was like Pokémon XD, and had an Orre-like region.

[Kumata]

I wonder if it'll be made more explicit that Silver (the rival) is Giovanni's son or not? In FR/LG a Rocket in the Sevii islands comments that "the boss' son has red hair" which might be a reference, however I'd like to know for sure.

[mewunlimited]

Here's an idea.
Maybe Arceus is just summoning the deities because Cynthia wants to know more about them. But then, when they appear, everything starts going weird. Then, Cynthia tells you to battle them and that she'll battle the other two. You just go up to one of them and commence a battle. If you catch Dialga, Cynthia catches Palkia. If you Giratina, Cynthia catches Dialga. If you catch Palkia, Cynthia catches Giratina. Then the third one runs away. Cynthia can use her caught dragon to fight you somewhere in the game (I really think we should have a chance to battle Cynthia somewhere). Yeah, maybe not such a great idea, but I like it.

The way I came up with the cycle is this: Dialga is a Steel type and thusly is resistant to Giratina's Ghost moves and not weak to its Dragon moves. Therefore, Dialga trumps Giratina, and Cynthia catches the better one.
Giratina can inflict super-effective STAB damage on Palkia with Dragon moves, and is resistant to Palkia's Water attacks. So Giratina trumps Palkia.
Palkia has Spacial Rend, which is better than Roar of Time. (Dialga would probably win this one, but let's just follow the triangle. xD)

It'd be better if it was like Pokémon XD, and had an Orre-like region.

Did you know that the dragons are lv1 each? This implies, and almost confirms, that they are being created. Whether or not the real dragons were creted at that time is a mystery. So it is possible that you and cynthia traveled to the past to witness the creation of the three. I have my money on that.

[AJ™]

So it is possible that you and cynthia traveled to the past to witness the creation of the three. I have my money on that.

I don't think that will happen because you have to trade Arceus over which means it already existed, which means that it would have created them long ago and yada yada.

Anywho, I feel like they are fersrsly over-packing this game.

[Ineffable~]

No HGSS will be based off of the original games but heavily ramped up. Its a nice change from how fr/lg was just Kanto with paint.I'm talking engine-wise. I know what HG/SS are remakes of, thank you very much.

Did you know that the dragons are lv1 each? This implies, and almost confirms, that they are being created. Whether or not the real dragons were creted at that time is a mystery. So it is possible that you and cynthia traveled to the past to witness the creation of the three. I have my money on that. First of all, that was an idea, not a statement. I know it's not true, and I know they're all level 1. But that doesn't really mean anything. Regigigas is level 1 when you catch it in Platinum, and I don't think it's being created, as it's the one who created the other Regis (who are in your party) in the first place.

[Johto's Best]

What do you think will happen when a shiny follows you? Will the Pokemon's sprite be different, or will it look normal colored untill sent into battle?

Feel free to speculate here. If this is in the wrong place, feel free to move it.

[Derozio]

Does anyone of you think that they will put cutscenes like those which appeared in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, like the ones at fogbound lake or (PRIMAL) Dialga roaring? I think it would be pretty cool if they put a cutscene where the legendary beasts awake from their sleep and escape from the burned tower in front of our eyes. There could also be a cutscene at MT.SILVER before we battle the great trainer RED! This is just my opinion, some people may or may not like it. ^^ (SORRY IF I SAID ANYTHING WRONG AS I AM NEW TO PC AS YOU CAN SEE).

[Samme!]

I think that a shiny pokemon will show up shiny when it is following you because of the pictures of the notched-ear pichu in Ilex Forest.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/07/Shiny_Pichu_HGSS_event.png

[Ineffable~]

Normally I would think they wouldn't bother to put in the shiny OW, just like they don't do that in the party/PC icons. It's probably not in Amity Square, either. However, seeing the Pikachu-colored Pichu makes me think it's possible, but still not definite. Because the Pikachu-colored Pichu is not just a shiny Pikachu, it's special. However, from there, the thought process could go like this:

"Well, now we already have a shiny overworld sprite for Pichu! Why not just apply that to all shiny Pichu?"

"But wait! We have a shiny OW for Pichu, yet not for any other Pokémon? that's not fair... Let's put 'em all in!"

However, this may be a little much. This would mandate 986 new OWs, and most likely 988. Maybe even 1022, or possibly just 1020. Perhaps 1028? Make that 1032. Or--it's a longshot-- but maybe even up to 1036!

(This is referring to the addition of Shaymin's Sky forme, all of Arceus's other type formes (including the ??? forme), all the seas of Shellos and Gastrodon (that's plus the weird one found in D/P/Pt's programming) as well as Deoxys's three special formes, all in both shiny and regular. If they add in the shinies, they may just end up going full-out.)

Wow.... 1036. Unlikely? Perhaps... perhaps not...

[Derozio]

It would add a little bit of detail to the game. But I think they won't bother to put shiny OverWorlds as it may take some space. Actually it won't matter much to me as I will play the game no matter what.^^

[Ineffable~]

Yeah, I don't get the guy that refuses to play a game just because his shiny Pokémon won't show up shiny while following him. xD However, I sometimes like to think that it's not all about the money for Nintendo and Game Freak, and oftentimes they want to make their customers happy, entertained, and satisfied. This is definitely proved in Brawl. I mean, it had like a million features that they never even mentioned!

[Johto's Best]

Alright, it won't affect me anyways. Why? My friend found two shinies in less than 1000 pokemon. (Just Platinum)
Me? I've found two out of a Helluva lot more. (total career)

[Derozio]

I just do not get shinies THAT easily. Maybe I am not as lucky as your friend LOL. HA HA!

[Leitz09]

i doubt they will do that, it's just space consuming... they could have just added some secret event in the game rather than putting unnecessary OW... and besides, being a shiny pokemon doesn't mean they're THAT special.. it's just the color, nothing else... and regarding the pichu, i think there are different sprite because they are special pokemons from the movie.. Nintendo probably want to keep their original form to make them appear very different from the original pichu sprites (you can take a good look on the ear of the other pichu if you didn't notice...)

[Derozio]

What you said is the truth. Shinies are just pokemon with different colour. So it won't matter to me. If I said something wrong then please forgive me as you are my seniors afterall.

[Tribulations]

I doubt Nintendo will bother with it, really. ._. They've more important things to be focussing on in the development of the game than making an alternate colour Pokémon that follows in its correct colour. They've never bothered with the party icons (i.e. this sort of sprite: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f7/Ani025MS.png ), so I can't see them implementing this.

[bobandbill]

Discussion on the Pokemon following you and them possibly having shiny sprites merged here (although there's also another thread on the such, but eh, one can speculate this here too).

I don't know about it... it might be nice, although it'll involve them then having to re-colour every single sprite. Furthermore - if it happened, that I wonder about the other instances one sees a Pokemon's overworld sprite - such as legendaries - which so far have not reflected whether the Pokemon is shiny or not. If they didn't change, I'd think there's inconsistancy there (after all, you see the normal sprited-Pokemon only to see that it WAS shiny, and from then on when if follows you it looks different...?) - and if it were changed so any Pokemon sprite reflected on whether it was shiny or not, then that means it's decided upon the moment you see it - or far more likely, the beginning of the game.

Not sure they'd go and bother changing such stuff, really - but who knows?

[Derozio]

I would love to see cutscenes like the ones which occured in pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness. They can add cutscenes to some epic places such as when we encounter the legendary beasts or Ho-oh/Lugia or even places like when lance tries to battle Team Rocket at Mahogany Town. I think that if they put cutscenes in these games then it would be very cool. Adding cutscenes may take some space so they may or may not add it.(I liked the scene when we encounter primal dialga in pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness.) I can dream afterall. :) .

[Pauric08]

Yeah I guess it would boost the standard of the game. I honestly hope they add johto tho.

*PS* How do you add a signature and avatar?

[Derozio]

Thanks for the reply. You can add your signature and avatar with the help of User CP option that is to the left. User CP is very user-friendly so you won't have any problem finding what you want to do. You should not have any problems finding the User Control Panel option.

(A different way is by clickin at the place where it says your name for e.g
Welcome,Crusher 1 at the left)

[Camisado]

There was quite the sizeable cutscene in Platinum for the event at the Spear Pillar, so they most likely will do something special for the HGSS legendaries, I should think.

But then, if they're going to expand into Kanto, I don't know how much storage space they still have on the game card.

[Dirtyjerry]

in the coro coro scan they showed pictures from an arceus event that looked like it was in the middle of a cutscene. thats not gonna be in the main story line though.

[bobandbill]

I would love to see cutscenes like the ones which occured in pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness. They can add cutscenes to some epic places such as when we encounter the legendary beasts or Ho-oh/Lugia or even places like when lance tries to battle Team Rocket at Mahogany Town. I think that if they put cutscenes in these games then it would be very cool. Adding cutscenes may take some space so they may or may not add it.(I liked the scene when we encounter primal dialga in pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness.) I can dream afterall. :) .You made a post like this in the speculation thread (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=4749052&postcount=1679) - so why make a new thread then as well? Kinda overkill to have the same discussion intended in two places, really?

At any rate, it's a speculation on a minor aspect, so it belongs here in the speculation thread anyways - hence the merge.

IDK about cutscenes - we may get some, but I kinda doubt we'd get them for each possible thing, and exactly like they have them in, say, Emerald, or MD. Just my guess though. Note also thta we have the intro screen/scenes for places of note (for instance, there's one for Sprout Tower already revealed - looks like it's basically the same thing as what FR/LG had.

[Derozio]

Am sorry for the blunder as I am new to PC you see.

It would be awesome if they changed the sprite animations from only two sprites to multi sprites.

I am sure they did a very nice job with the sprites in Pokemon Crystal. In crystal the animations looked very natural so I hope they do the same in HGSS.

[Akira Uchiha]

(I forgot to say this a long long time ago) Well... now that we have seen the touch screen and it appears to have just the functions of a menu, do you think that is actually Pokegear or you can choose the pokegear option? (Can't read Japanese and pics aren't clear) If there is a Pokegear option, do you think it will be color-coded again by gender like DPPt? (That was soooo annoying as I was Dawn and it was pink) I mean I know in the pictures of the characters it was, but what about just on the touch screen?

["Shadow Lugia"]

Kanto's all but confirmed, now.

The Johto map shows Route 22.

[Ineffable~]

(I forgot to say this a long long time ago) Well... now that we have seen the touch screen and it appears to have just the functions of a menu, do you think that is actually Pokegear or you can choose the pokegear option? (Can't read Japanese and pics aren't clear) If there is a Pokegear option, do you think it will be color-coded again by gender like DPPt? (That was soooo annoying as I was Dawn and it was pink) I mean I know in the pictures of the characters it was, but what about just on the touch screen? Sorry. Soul's Pokégear is indeed pink. :/ There was a picture in Famitsu

[zirico]

"

However, this may be a little much. This would mandate 986 new OWs, and most likely 988. Maybe even 1022, or possibly just 1020. Perhaps 1028? Make that 1032. Or--it's a longshot-- but maybe even up to 1036!

(This is referring to the addition of Shaymin's Sky forme, all of Arceus's other type formes (including the ??? forme), all the seas of Shellos and Gastrodon (that's plus the weird one found in D/P/Pt's programming) as well as Deoxys's three special formes, all in both shiny and regular. If they add in the shinies, they may just end up going full-out.)

Wow.... 1036. Unlikely? Perhaps... perhaps not...

take you 1036 and times it by 8 if we add in all directions and movement

[Ineffable~]

8288? Wow.... this isn't happening. There were only 9999 sprites total in Emerald, if I recall. I guess I really didn't add in all the walking and stuff. xD Not a big deal, though. I'M EQUALLY AS PSYCHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Uses Psych Up and has his Attack stat raised* Uh-oh...

[Kyone]

It is very well possible to have all the Pokémon with a normal sprite and a shiny sprite. However, it would seem a bit overdone, but could work out perfectly fine if ever accomplished. Though, if Shiny OW sprites had to be given to only exclusive Pokémon like the movie Pikachu Colored Pichu, then I'd say the same would at least happen for the Red Gyarados. If any, those two would be the ones who really deserve having a Shiny OW sprite in the game, if it didn't happen to all. Something that I think would be kind of interesting is that if shinies did get their OW sprite, then maybe every so often they might have a little sparkle effect while walking/standing perhaps? [/This is just a thuoght I came up with]

Anyway, it is possible, but consideration of memory, time, and all are all taken into consideration and if it fits and works, then maybe they may just do it for the remakes [or not].

[Bigdog]

Yeah, I don't get the guy that refuses to play a game just because his shiny Pokémon won't show up shiny while following him. xD However, I sometimes like to think that it's not all about the money for Nintendo and Game Freak, and oftentimes they want to make their customers happy, entertained, and satisfied. This is definitely proved in Brawl. I mean, it had like a million features that they never even mentioned!

And that's why I like Nintendo and Gamefreak. Nintendo got me introduced into the gaming scene since I was very little, starting with my father's NES. Once Pokemon came along, I played the GSC series and from then on they have been making great games.

[rootbeer]

i wonder if they will let you go to the sevii or orange islands?

[bobandbill]

i wonder if they will let you go to the sevii or orange islands?Sevii - maybe, but Orange Islands won't happen, as they unlike the Sevii Islands (made by Game Freak well after the Orange Islands - if they wanted islands [and they did], they didn't want the Orange ones) came from the anime, for filler episodes in-between the Kanto and Johto seasons. Made up by a different company and all altogether - and it's just one of the various places shown in the anime that doesn't appear in the games.

After all, the anime is based off of the the games, rather than the other way around, bar the few things way back in Yellow which was done to ride off the huge success the anime had back then.

[Asztrik]

I have a theory that all the legendaries will be in the game because of what has been revealed about them so far.

[Haza]

It does seem to be trying to make a connection with all the legendary pokemon since as we already know you have the opportunity to obtain any version mascot so far.

If the give he overworld Pokemon shiny appearances, they would probably do the same for the sprites in the party screen.

[e4darthteej]

Hmmm...
If you take a look at the new Johto map, you'll see that the area where the Battle Tower was in Crystal is blocked by clouds. This is exactly what they did with the battle frontier on the Platinum map and almost certainly indicates that they're adding something new to the Tower.

Also in-game cutscenes revolving around the legendaries are confirmed. Take a look at the last two pics on Serebii:http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pics.shtml

[Ineffable~]

You got beat. We all knew that a long time ago.

[BlueEew]

It looks like they are trying to forget about the GBA Pokemon games meaning that the Kanto and Hoenn starters will not be obtainable without GBA games.

Do you guys and gals reckon we will be able to get them in HG/SS?

[zirico]

KANTO starters from Oak and HOENN starters from the new upstairs section of elms lab ????????

[-jrdn-]

How do you figure they're trying to "forget" GBA games?

[-Sonic~Boom-]

It looks like they are trying to forget about the GBA Pokemon games meaning that the Kanto and Hoenn starters will not be obtainable without GBA games.

Do you guys and gals reckon we will be able to get them in HG/SS?

Well, it seems like Nintendo are using HG and SS to bring back lots of Pokemon, new and old. You can obtain Groundon in SS and Kyogre in HG, and if you get both you get Rayquaza.

Maybe there will be and event if you get all 3 Johto starters you get a Hoenn one. ;) Only time will tell.

[bobandbill]

Merged thread speculating on the Kanto/Hoenn starters here.

[e4darthteej]

You got beat. We all knew that a long time ago.

*grumbles*

In that case does anyone else notice that at Silver cave there seems to be an entrance into Mt.Silver itself as well as an entrance into the mountain range?

[TheAliveTrain]

The cafe at Olivine City could be a kind of Top Trainer Cafe. I liked the idea of having a place to fight the gym leaders.

I also think that unobatainable Pokémons like genIII legends and starters will be caught on this games. Kyogre Groudon Rayquaza are confirmed, plus a Jirachi event is also confirmed.
The starters may be caught as of the Johto were on Emerald, after completing the Johto Dex. (Note that you need the Kanto starters to complete the Johto Dex)


Also I think that the Red Gyarados will be able to be caught because as Cynthia and Jasmine are on Johto (to buy the potion, and to be the gym leader, respectively) it makes me think that this is a bit earlier than DPPt. As of, it was before the TV news about Gyarados.
It wouldn't also surprise me that a new temporary gym leader would replace Jasmine (she has a sister, doesn't she)?

[Ineffable~]

People could always catch the red Gyarados before, too...

[e4darthteej]

Um Libbygoat, is your entire purpose in this thread to refute other people's ideas?

Anyway I've always thought it would be cool to be able to choose your music during multiplayer; so that you didn't always have to listen to that stupid trainer theme.

[Ineffable~]

What the heck? I'm not refuting anything, I'm correcting mistakes people have made. I'd rather be blunt than unrealistic. Even though I'm not being mean at all. So, just because it hurts your feelings somehow, I'm supposed to say, "OMG, YOU'RE SO RIGHT, MAN! THE RED GYARADOS SURE WASN'T AVAILABLE IN TH'ORIGINALS! NO WAY! YEAH, FO' SHO!

How it's wrong to spread the knowledge, I don't know. Please enlighten me. Oh, wait, no. Don't enlighten me. That'd be refuting my ideas.

[pikalax]

I think that there should be an extra boss character - the new face of Giovanni! Because, you know, I kinda missed him in GSC. He's a fun guy to beat.

He should appear in Mt. Mortar as a side quest after you've collected the eighth badge. He'll be shocked that Team Rocket has regrouped and redisbanded during his absence. ^_^

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

It looks like they are trying to forget about the GBA Pokemon games meaning that the Kanto and Hoenn starters will not be obtainable without GBA games.

Do you guys and gals reckon we will be able to get them in HG/SS?
The same could be said of the Advance generation ignoring the metal generation with your example. Except, that never came to pass: the Johto partner Pokémon were made available once you completed the Hoenn dex in Emerald. We're yet to see whether the same applies here or not, but seeing how these games are shoving Kyogre and Groudon in, it's not hard to imagine.

[balkj06]

After all, the anime is based off of the the games, rather than the other way around, bar the few things way back in Yellow which was done to ride off the huge success the anime had back then.
The anime came first! 1st! epsiode 1 of Pokemon was made before the games

well, the Johto dex ins't going to be the 251 pokes because of....
Mew, Mewtwo, Molres, Zapdos, Aratcanno,
Bulba, Charmander, Squitle
Kaptos, Omastar
unless they somehow make it your able to see/caught these pokes which is not going to happen

Groundon Kyore Razzary! Hoean Legends why are they in this game
well my thorey...

Hreat Gold 3 yrs after Fire Red and Ruby
Soul Sliver 3 yrs after Leaf Green and Sapprire
in Pokemon Ruby, you couldn't cacth Koyre
why because it is in Kanto/Johto
in Pokemon Sapprie, you couldn't cacth Groundon
why because it is in Kanto/Johto

Thats Why!

[Pokedra]

Do you guys reckon that area west of Cianwood could be a Battle Frontier?

[Tribulations]

The anime came first! 1st! epsiode 1 of Pokemon was made before the games

Wrong. Pokémon! I Choose You! (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP001) aired on April 1st 1997, while Pokémon Red and Green Versions (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Green_Versions) were released on February 27th 1996.

[jimmymutfak]

Personally I'd like them to have the Sevii Islands, Cerulean Cave (Like In FireRed and LeafGreen) also other new areas like the Frontier and A Desert, They should have a special area with the 3 Legendary birds and also Uxie Azelf and Mesprit these would be a brilliant addition I feel and would also enhance the games story, also just like MD Explorers of Time and Darkness they should have several alternate stories for instance like the one with FireRed and LeafGreen they should add the change in Pokemon that the Elite4 have once you have won the Johto League they should introduce more pokemon for instance ones from the Hoenn and Sinnoh Region they should have corresponding Legends from the 3rd and 4th Generations making it more interesting for instance a story with Dialga in SoulSilver and Palkia in HeartGold they're should also be the to catch Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus and various other legends too whether they're via Wireless Communication or Cheat System also like in DP&Pt they should have the Poketch Application so you can locate the legendary dogs because in the GB/C/A versions I was fustrated at the chances of encountering the Dogs based on the fact that I found no way of locking the on the Map.

I also feel that after these series whether it's straight away or after a possible Crystal Remake they should create the penultimate game I don't mind what the name is but with the 4 generations and also a brand new 5th generation totalling up to 600+ pokemon hopefully on the DS not DSi but with extra features with for instance the ability to take a picture for your trainer card. Also they should have more legendary pokemon and Dozens of different stories for instance new teams (i.e. like Team Rocket, Magma, Aqua, Galactic and Possibly 2 more following the Sequence from (1 TR), (2 M&A), (1 G) & (2 5th Generation).

Have I got good suggestions or what let me know what you think because I'm thinking of contacting Nintendo.

[Mitchman]

Personally I'd like them to have the Sevii Islands, Cerulean Cave (Like In FireRed and LeafGreen) also other new areas like the Frontier and A Desert, They should have a special area with the 3 Legendary birds and also Uxie Azelf and Mesprit these would be a brilliant addition I feel and would also enhance the games story, also just like MD Explorers of Time and Darkness they should have several alternate stories for instance like the one with FireRed and LeafGreen they should add the change in Pokemon that the Elite4 have once you have won the Johto League they should introduce more pokemon for instance ones from the Hoenn and Sinnoh Region they should have corresponding Legends from the 3rd and 4th Generations making it more interesting for instance a story with Dialga in SoulSilver and Palkia in HeartGold they're should also be the to catch Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus and various other legends too whether they're via Wireless Communication or Cheat System also like in DP&Pt they should have the Poketch Application so you can locate the legendary dogs because in the GB/C/A versions I was fustrated at the chances of encountering the Dogs based on the fact that I found no way of locking the on the Map.

I also feel that after these series whether it's straight away or after a possible Crystal Remake they should create the penultimate game I don't mind what the name is but with the 4 generations and also a brand new 5th generation totalling up to 600+ pokemon hopefully on the DS not DSi but with extra features with for instance the ability to take a picture for your trainer card. Also they should have more legendary pokemon and Dozens of different stories for instance new teams (i.e. like Team Rocket, Magma, Aqua, Galactic and Possibly 2 more following the Sequence from (1 TR), (2 M&A), (1 G) & (2 5th Generation).

Have I got good suggestions or what let me know what you think because I'm thinking of contacting Nintendo.
No you pretty much stated everything obvious and something are down right idiotic cause there is no need to do so(except that the movie 12 Arceus unlocks a mini area for some level 1 dragon trio so thats out of the picture and uh for the 5th gen I have no idea. And don't contact them cause they will give you no reply.

[KotovSyndrome_]

Well, ever since like GSC, ive been waiting for a character customisation, and not like the PBR one, that was horrific, but seriously, if you could customise the player, i would be so excited it would be unreal xD

[Sweet Smoochum]

Why do people even think that the Sevii Islands would be in this game? The Sevii Islands were boring and weren't even a good training spot. I don't want the Sevii Islands in this game. They were only there so we could catch Johto Pokemon, but now we can catch Johto pokemon in Johto. Two regions are good enough. It would be way too much if we had more than two regions. I've already played Sinnoh and I wasn't too fond of Hoenn. I couldn't even get good Pokemon in Hoenn until I made those desert Pokemon strong enough. I'd rather play one game per region. Or in this special case, two regions in one game. I could trade my strong ones after I beat the game, so it won't get boring using the same six Pokemon all the time.

If they don't add in animations to the trainers in this game, I'll be disappointed. Sure, I like how we got the Pokemon sprites following. I actually like how it's still moving behind you even when you stop because it's lively. I got annoyed in Amity Square when they weren't moving when I stopped. I also like the feature, because it reminds me which Pokemon I have first in my party. Say I'm about to battle my rival somewhere, and I know what his first Pokemon is, and I want my first Pokemon to have the type advantage. For example, if his first Pokemon is Gastly and I have a normal type Pokemon) that doesn't know anything other than Tackle), I can look at the following sprite as a reminder to change Pokemon. It also works if I have a fire Pokemon out when I want to battle a trainer with a water Pokemon. I don't want both the level 17 Quilava and the level 8 Hoppip to get experience out of this battle. I want Hoppip to get all the experience. B/c if Quilava gets some, too, it would be less.

If anyone is upset over my post about the Sevii Islands, I'm sorry. I'm very cranky and tired this morning.

I really hope they do something with Silver's battle sprite. I want his sprite to look more like the artwork. (Color-wise.)

[Mitchman]

Direct linking from the company itself to fr/lg makes the Sevii not being in thing as invalid as it being in. It could be as those who have played fr/lg would expect now both Kanto and the Sevii islands to be in. Its a smart move as well imo.

[Chris The Nerd]

As we all know, Mewtwo wasn't in the original gold and silver games, the explaination is obvious as it was captured by Red three years earlier. but as Mewtwo wasn't in Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum. Nintendo usually strives to unclude all of the discovered pokémon in each generation, for those who strive to complete the pokédex. it seems that recently, Nintendo and game freak are shying away from the pal park, because you can catch all of the legendary birds as roaming pokémon in Platinum, and find all of the regis in platinum.

this leads me to believe that Mewtwo will have to be available for capture in Heartgold and SoulSilver. but where? will it be in ceruean cave again? or will there be a wi-fi event that gives you an item to encounter it? could it possibly be a roamer?

[JoltIce]

I guess that makes sense, with the DSi out and it has no GBA slot, they would make Mewtwo available for capture. ButI don't have to worry about, I already have a Mewtwo from Firered.

[Ash493]

I think Cerulean Cave is the only way... (Only if they repair it xD) I would be weird catching him somewhere else

[Chris The Nerd]

I think Cerulean Cave is the only way... (Only if they repair it xD) I would be weird catching him somewhere else

maybe they would have a wi-fi item that allows you to enter cerulean cave... or something

[Wolflare]

I doubt it would be roaming, just doesn't seem like Mewtwo. Cerulean Cave might be the best place, but since you can still get Mewtwo via Pal Park, I think they will make it available the next new system when GBA slot is completely gone.

[Ineffable~]

I think Cerulean Cave would be fine. People would just assume that Red released Mewtwo.

By the way, wolFLARE, you're right. It could never roam because it would just destroy everything in front of it. It's better imprisoned in Cerulean Cave because all the spaz can do there is blow up rocks. xD

[Ash493]

maybe they would have a wi-fi item that allows you to enter cerulean cave... or something
Yeah that could be it... something like Azure Flute, Oak's Letter etc...

[Chris The Nerd]

I think Cerulean Cave would be fine. People would just assume that Red released Mewtwo.

By the way, wolFLARE, you're right. It could never roam because it would just destroy everything in front of it. It's better imprisoned in Cerulean Cave because all the spaz can do there is blow up rocks. xD

I'm not too sure, I think after the "Mewtwo Returns" movie, he became more gentle, and left to roam Johto, helping people at night. kind of like batman.
... of course, that's the anime. though it would be interesting to see a pokémon who only roams at night.

[Abnegation]

What aboout the new area being implemented in the game??
Or maybe there's a storyline as to how Red loses it some how or something after you beat him. Or an event key.

[Britney's Circus]

Maybe after defeating Red he says "I HAVE TO AWARD YOU ON YOU'RE WINNINGS! HAVE THIS!" "-INSERT NAME HERE- got Mewtwo!"

[Kyone]

Direct linking from the company itself to fr/lg makes the Sevii not being in thing as invalid as it being in. It could be as those who have played fr/lg would expect now both Kanto and the Sevii islands to be in. Its a smart move as well imo.Now, even though in FireRed and LeafGreen, the Sevii Islands came included, it wouldn't be a necessary location to bring back. For one, in FireRed and LeafGreen having the Sevii Islands introduce the Day Care already disrupted the time line between the games. The reason why is because three years before in Kanto eggs were not introduced or supposed to be known about, however FRLG contradicted that idea.

Not to mention, events in the Sevii Islands were supposed to be approached three years ago in the game's timeline. With this being said, the Sevii Islands wouldn't have much of a point seeing as basically most that could be done would be catch some extra Pokémon and meet a few people. These things could easily be implemented in Kanto and give the second region more expansion and life than what was done before in the originals. So, to me, the Sevii Islands isn't something needed for the game, and could easily be replaced by the new features they have added now.

So, Sevii Islands, if they are back, then they're back. If not, oh well, because nothing could be done about it. Plus, I see no reason to complain if they aren't brought in, because Johto itself has introduced a ton of new features and locations that could easily be equally as satisfying as what the Sevii Islands were like in FireRed and LeafGreen.

[JP]

Maybe after defeating Red he says "I HAVE TO AWARD YOU ON YOU'RE WINNINGS! HAVE THIS!" "-INSERT NAME HERE- got Mewtwo!"

haha I doubt they'd make it that easy for us. I really do hope they implement Mewtwo into the game though, it'd be nice to see him make another appearance.

[Mewtwo'sBagel]

Hey all.
I wondering how you think HG/SS will handle the sinnoh formes. If we trade Giratina holding his orb over to Soul Silver will he keep his origin forme? Will you be able to find the key item gracidea flower so Shaymin can change? Where will Rotom go to find appliances?

I speculate a lot of this kind of updating. Cynthia and Arceus' presence alone seems to suggest a little more sinnoh influence.

Ultimately I'd like to make Silver my master game pak, trading all diamond and platinum pokes to it. But not if I can't keep all the cool stuff platinum gave us.

[YellowPen]

With the amount of new features and detail put into HG/SS, I am certain that game freak know what to do about sinnoh formes.
There isnt anything to worry about, HG/SS will more than likely have them

[bobandbill]

Merged thread speculating on Mewtwo here, and is belongs here in speculation.

Also merged the Sinnoh Pokemon formes speculation thread here as well. But on that - items such as Giratina's orb cannot be traded at all, I don't believe - same for others including Rotom and so forth. (Unless I just got that info plain wrong...) Unless these items can be found in HG/SS or their formes accommodated for, I don't think we'll see those formes outside of Platinum...

Although with Giratina, considering you can catch a level 1 in HG/SS if you trade the movie Arceus there, and considering that its alternate forme is the 'Origin' forme... hmm. It's only a vague possibility though, I think - it may happen, it may not.

[Kyone]

With the topic about Mewtwo, there is a possibility it'll make a return. With this being said, I'd doubt it may end up being a roaming legendary as it already has a fixed location from before, which is the Cerulean Cave. The reason why it may be a possibility is because the lack of GBS slot on the DSi. Seeing as the newer games are becoming more independent from them, and then having Mewtwo along with all the third generation legendaries brought in makes sense to do. The only reason why we may not have gotten information on Mewtwo as yet however is probably because not much is known about Kanto for right now other than it will definitely be in the game.

For the different forms for the Pokémon in Platinum, I would assume something will be done to allow it. If not, then it'll be a major let down as you can't even use the Rotom Forms on Wi-Fi nor in the Battle Frontier without it reverting back to its original form. It is true, the Gracidea Flower and Griseous Orb used for Shaymin and Giratina cannot be traded. Though, it isn't a difficult task to place these items somewhere else neither. As far as I would think, the rebirth of the three dragons brought forth from Arceus in the game could actually have the held items such as the Adamant Orb, etc. It is even a possibility that Cynthia could give it to us after, depending on which legendary we choose to catch. As for Shaymin, it definitely isn't hard to simply allow someone new in the game to give us the flower.

Johto has Sinnoh influences as they are both 4th generation games. Not to mention they are in the same timeline as well, compared to Hoenn and Kanto. So, it would make sense for the new forms to be available in the remakes, especially knowing that the remakes are now coming after Platinum, while Diamond and Pearl were before it.

[KotovSyndrome_]

Itll be very interesting to see if anyone is right about this stuff..

CANT WAIT FOR HG & SS

[Neutrino]

Do you think there will be an underground? I have an idea that maybe, instead of the explorer kit, you can access it from a new part of the udnerground space unerneath the Goldernrod radio tower, and maybe you can exchange spheres and whatever at a little shop outside the enterance. Maybe? Discuss ^^

[Ash493]

I don't think they'll leave underground in G/S remakes since it doesn't have any particular reason to be left :)

[Mattysaurus]

I really believe that there will be an Underground, because if there wasn't what would be the purpose of these....

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/328376/mtt-1.jpg

[kingofjokers]

I really believe that there will be an Underground, because if there wasn't what would be the purpose of these....

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/328376/mtt-1.jpgI don't really see the reasons for those. What do they do?