New Evolution ways and Alternative Formes?

[Waki Tobaye]

I made this thread to talk about how do you think that Pokémon like Eevee(Glaceon and Leafeon), Magneton(Magnezone) and Nosepass(Probopass)evolve? o.o Because the MossRock and the IcyRock are located on Sinnoh Routes and Mt Coronet is also on Sinnoh... oOo

Also... How will Shaymin change formes? and Deoxys? .o. (I'm not asking Giratina because it has an item xD) Shellos and Gastrodon, too... Will they have new formes(They had West and East)?

What's your opinion?

[Ooka]

They're very easily traded over I'm sure. xD

Not every Pokemon has to be in the game. And even still, they might just choose locations in the games for new rocks.

(I'm mainly talking about Glaceon and Lefeon obviously. xD

[Kyone]

Deoxys, it has been stated that there might be a new form for it in the Johto, but if not then it might be safe to assume that whatever form you trade your Deoxys, it will stay the same, I guess I'm on the fence with this one.

As for Shaymin, good question. they could possibly add something about the Gracidea Flower again after the Elite or so.

For Nosepass, Megnezone, and the new Eeveelution, I would presume that you must trade them over to your DPPt game, evolve it there, and then trade it back.

[BHwolfgang]

That, or you can change Shaymin's form at all.

Yeah, you'll probably have to trade them to D/P/P and trade them back. One could always import stones from their D/P/P?

[ToraSushii]

For the Nosepass and etc Pokemon, I think they will put a place where we can evolve them. Maybe. That's just what I think.

[xxChazxx]

Gastrodon and Shellos. I remember hearing about an unused sprite. I believe this was it: http://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/spr_4dp_423_beta.png

[Waki Tobaye]

Gastrodon and Shellos. I remember hearing about an unused sprite. I believe this was it:
Oh! That's right! Shellos line has alt. formes too!
I think they could make North and South Shellos and Gastrodon's formes. That'd be cool =)

[Virtual Chatot]

Obviously they'd be traded over or they'd give us a way to do it ourselves.

( Moss Rock in Ilex Forest, Frost Rock in Ice Cave? )

[xxChazxx]

Oh! That's right! Shellos line has alt. formes too!
I think they could make North and South Shellos and Gastrodon's formes. That'd be cool =)

idk, I think it'd only be available after the Elite Four or only in Kanto. Plus, that's the only sprite I could find.


Obviously they'd be traded over or they'd give us a way to do it ourselves.

( Moss Rock in Ilex Forest, Frost Rock in Ice Cave? )

But, they would'nt be known to the Johto Dex. I think if there are landmarks for this, they'd be after the Elite Four.

[invisible-chan]

*coughLeafstonecough* I really don't know. I'm betting you'll just have to trade like what everyone else says.

[JP]

I'm rather interested in that beta of Gastrodon. Maybe we'll see a proper version in these remakes. I'd love to see the original design for it.

[Mr. bell]

New Gastrodon and Shellos forms are very possible, and I hope that we'll see new patterns on mantyke back.
As for the eeveelutions, I believe that there will be some in game method to evolve them after you receive the national pockedex.
Magnezone and Probopass could maybe evolve through the power planet, though I still think we'll have to trade them to DPPt

[Glaceon_]

I don't know if people pointed this out about the Eeveelution forms, but there are four very easy places they could use to utilise the method of evolution for Glaceon and Leafeon.

For the former, the Ice Cave or Seafoam Islands.
For the latter, Ilex Forest or Veridian Forest.

As for Probopass and Magnezone; the other location-evolution Pokemon, they could use Mt. Silver as the evolution location.

Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.

[Astinus]

You know, maybe there will actually be a new location to explore after the Elite Four and after the player gets the National Dex, that would have some ways for the Generation IV Pokemon to evolve.

Or it'll just be some places in either Kanto or Mt. Silver. Some place after the Elite Four are defeated and the National Dex is received.

But it wouldn't surprise me that Nintendo would expect people to have all the other games, and ways to trade to get those Gen IV Pokemon. Some way to make them gain more money. XD

[Mr. bell]

What do you think that they'll do with all of the pokemon that evolve while learning a move(like Tangel Piloswine etc). Doy you think it will be possible to evolve them before obtaining the national dex, or it will be like the Happiness based evolution in FRLG?

[Gummy]

I remember one of Shellos' pokedex entries saying that it's appearance changes depending on the region, and then there's that unused sprite, so it might get a new form. I don't think there should be any new formes since I'm really getting tired of the concept. As for evolution methods, I hope they are only possible in the Kanto region so as to maintain the authenticity of the Johto Region.

[Shem]

well, I'm going to guess that...
A. The cave with RED in it has the same megnetic properties as mount coronet or...
B. They will have a process (possibly at the power plant, Cinderbar, or new location in Johto) that Magneton and Nosepass can go through to evolve

As for Eevee, i'm sure they will have new rocks in new locations (possibly entirely new locations like sevii islands is to FR and LG) or a process like the one mentioned.

As for Deoxys, I can't imagine a new form, but I could see the meteors like the ones that transform him in D/P/PT at mount moon.

[Ooka]

I'm interested in the Gastrodon sprite. I'm thinking maybe they won't have East or West Sinnoh there, so that will be the neutral Gastrodon sprite, which is the sprite it has when it isn't caught in either. Just a guess though.

[Jαcκςση]

I'm gonna agree with everybody else. New locations for the rocks, (probably in kanto)
Magnezone, etc. in Mt. Silver.

New gastrodon forms would be cool.

[Tinhead Bruce]

Has anyone here noticed that Nosepass wasn't introduced until Gen III? If it happens that they don't add the Hoenn (or the Sinnoh) pokes in, we won't have to worry about Probopass.

[Patchisou Yutohru]

I am going for no. I'm only saying that due to the fact that remakes are typically restricted to that generation of gaming, and like others said, you can always trade one of those you mentioned above from your Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum version of the game into the new Gold and Silver games.

I could be wrong, but as of now, that's just how I feel about it. I would really like them to incorporate other generations, but since they created Ruby and Sapphire, and then created a remake of the first generation games, I really don't see why they would do that since the FireRed and LeafGreen versions didn't introduce any (that I'm aware of) Pokémon from the third generations.

[Azzurra]

There could possibly be other alternative ways for evolving those mentioned Pokemon, but it would have to happen after you trigger a major event/get the national Pokedex. (The same thing happened in Fr/Lg). I'm not entirely sure about Gastrodon having a new evolution because they really didn't change much evolution wise in Fr/Lg... so why would they do differently with Hg/Ss?

[balkj06]

Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.


well there HAS TO BE A MAJOR DIFFERENT if there isn't well they they can't have a HGSS manga, which will be really bad

[Mr. bell]

well there HAS TO BE A MAJOR DIFFERENT if there isn't well they they can't have a HGSS manga, which will be really bad

Why wouldn't them make a HGSS manga? many manga fans admires GSC and want them to have a greater role in the manga...

[Tachibana Azumi]

I heard DPPt and HGSS are compatible (?) so people can just trade those Pokemon over to HGSS. Easy.

And besides, I think they did the remakes is either because:
a) They wanted GSC Pokemon to be able to trade over to DPPt, since GSC Pokemon can in no way be traded over to DPPt, thus completing the National Dex (or vice versa, I really dunno...);
or
b) They just wanted to remake the games. End of story.

Take your pick.

[GFA]

New Gastrodon formes, and that's it. You couldn't get Espeon or Umbreon in FrLg, so yuou won't be able to get Leafeon or Glaceon in HgSs.

Maybe Shaymin will get a third and fourth forme, but I think its unlikely...

Plus, I agree with Azumi. They should be compatible, remeber the hacked data saying it came from Johto

[Kyone]

There were new rumors on the Gastrodon forms, and it's either they add them in before the National Dex, only if they add in the newer GEn pokémon before...or they allow it to be available after the Elite.

The games DPPT and HHSS will be compatible most likely.

For the post above, I highly doubt Shaymin will be getting any more forms, it would seriously be too much and wouldn't make much sense.

[iTzKaizer]

Why wouldn't them make a HGSS manga? many manga fans admires GSC and want them to have a greater role in the manga...
They wouldn't make a HG/SS manga because if they only remake the game but don't add some more features or new places to explore, then HG/SS would be similar to the G/S/C manga, almost the same, since it has the same characters, same people...

As in FR/LG,, they added the Sevii Islands and the manga was based of them.

In this, people's opinions doesn't matter: If they don't have ideas to base the manga, then no manga for us.

[Went]

I am going for no. I'm only saying that due to the fact that remakes are typically restricted to that generation of gaming, and like others said, you can always trade one of those you mentioned above from your Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum version of the game into the new Gold and Silver games.

I could be wrong, but as of now, that's just how I feel about it. I would really like them to incorporate other generations, but since they created Ruby and Sapphire, and then created a remake of the first generation games, I really don't see why they would do that since the FireRed and LeafGreen versions didn't introduce any (that I'm aware of) Pokémon from the third generations.

You could get third gen. pokes in the 4-7 Islands, which you could access after beating the League. So I think that, after beating Kanto/Mt. Silver, we'll be allowed to get D/P/P pokémon into G/S as well (maybe in Fuchsia's Safari Zone or in a new area), and some extras. But I doubt we'll get any third-fourth pokémohn, less new forms, during the normal game.

[Kyone]

Adding in Some Sinnoh Pokémon in the Safari after the National Dex and such would be fun. Especiialy if they can add some into the Bug Catching competition, after the Nat. Dex is obtained.

[Mr. bell]

A bug contest with a Mothim! Masquarian! I love that idea.

[Kyone]

A bug contest with a Mothim! Masquarian! I love that idea.

There would be quite a few new bug types to add into the contest besides those two. Though, if they did this to add in newer Pokémon it might come in after the Nat. Dex

[skenno1]

what about dark cave,tojho falls and sliver cave?am I the only on who remembers them

[Kyone]

what about dark cave,tojho falls and sliver cave?am I the only on who remembers them

They can be added with new Pokémon too or used to evolve certain types, it isn't all confirmed as yet. No one has forgotten them because they were mentioned earlier on in this thread.

[Argent Crusader]

They wouldn't make a HG/SS manga because if they only remake the game but don't add some more features or new places to explore, then HG/SS would be similar to the G/S/C manga, almost the same, since it has the same characters, same people...

As in FR/LG,, they added the Sevii Islands and the manga was based of them.

In this, people's opinions doesn't matter: If they don't have ideas to base the manga, then no manga for us.

I'm really sure they will add a new zone post-Kanto. I'm not really sure of what happened to Giovanni. Maybe I just don't remeber. Anyway, the story with the Team Rocket is surely continued in somewhere else. They always can do that. And obviously the Manga would take this new zone as the theater of operations for Gold and whoever that new Girl is (I really wonder where in the world Kris would be then).
Maybe the Plot will involve Arceus as much FR/LG manga involved Deoxys. Seems to be the case.

Back on topic, we're possibly getting new formes. Shellos and Gastrodon are a given. Manaphy could be, but I doubt since it was the same in Sinnoh and Fiore.
Shaymin can get a new forme once again, or not. Maybe the white rock just is triggered with Oak's Letter like it did in DPPt and nothing else. We go to the island and catch the furball.
Deoxys in Johto/Kanto switch between Attack and Defense formes according to manga. Not sure wich forme is for wich region. But no new Deoxys forme in this game I think.

For evolutions: just no. To evolve them, if they are item-related you may get them post-E4, or post-Red; and if they're zone-related you have to trade them to DPPt.

[Mr. bell]

I find it hard to believe Shaymin will get new forms once again. If heatrun will be featured in the 12th movies, don't be surprised if we'll catch him after defeating red in one of the caves, or in a new island.

[pokerus34]

It would make Evolutions easy if Eevee evolves into Leafeon via Leaf Stone and Glacion via Ice Stone (sorta...) XD

P.S.

[Kaori]

I think since this is only a remake that there should be those two rocks for Leafeon and Glaceon after you beat the Elite Four. To get to those two rocks maybe there can be an extension in the game like in Emerald?

[Kyone]

If they added in the Moss Rock and Ice Rock to the game, I would do it somewhere in the Ice cave in one of the Sevii Islands and perhaps the Viridian Forest as well. Just to get the new Eeveelutions without having to go through the hassle of trading with DPPt all the time.

[Kaori]

An Ice Cave would be pretty cool. A forest will still suit Leafeon anyhow.

[Alexithymia~]

I did wonder if they put leafeon and glaceon in the games, how they would evolve?
But still.
New formes would be a nice thing.

[Kaori]

I would leave new eeveeloutions for the next generation to come.

As for Probopass I wouldn't want an evolution for it.

[Kyone]

For probopass and such, they can either use the caves and such we'll have in HGSS or have to trade between DPPt...

[JJJkraan]

In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

[Kaori]

In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

That would be awesome, I like how you think. The safari zone would be a pretty cool place to have the third generation and fourth generation pokemon there.

[Kyone]

In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

That isn't actually a bad idea. It gives the game a bit more story for the Safari Zone and adding in the newer Gen pokémon as well.

[JJJkraan]

Thanks for your positive reactions. The chances of getting a new island is big, and they could locate other third and fourth generation pokemon there too. I was also thinking about adding third and fourth generation to the Johto pokedex, but then it would be a
look-a-like pokemon platinum. In D/P/Pt the found all kinds of ways to add pokemon from the national dex. They are creative enough to add such things.

[Kyone]

It was a good idea and needed complimenting on...

Also, if they were to add in newer Gen Pokémon to the Johto after the Nat. Dex is obtained, then the bug catching competition needs to be updated after...

[Argent Crusader]

In g/s/c the safari zone is closed, because the owner is on vacation. So if you go to Elm after you beat the E4, you have to get something for him on an island that they added to HG/SS. Then you give the item or whatever to Elm and you get the national dex. Later, when you've arrived in Fuschia city, the daughter of the safari zone's owner tells you where her father is, on that new island. After you found him on that new island, the safari zone is opened again, where you can find some third and fourth generation pokemon.

It's bassically the same idea the guys at gscplatinum had for they remake. Except that the islands were the warden was on vacations were like lots of safari zones together.
Anyway, I see this quest for open the Safari Zone happening :)

[Kyone]

The new safari, if added in will most likely have those new generation Pokémon. They would probably redesign the entire safari or they would add in an extra zone to it like they did in Emerald after gaining the Nat. Pokédex.

[axlefoley]

Maybe for those who evolve by being in Mt Coronet, Evolving in Mt. Moon is a possibility because it wouldn't be part of the Johto dex so it would make sense to get it later on in the game

[Dark Sakurati]

I wonder what Mantyke's pattern on it's back will look like in the Johto region?
Any ideas? A real mystery... Lol!

~Gamehacker64~

[arceusmaster2012]

I wonder what Mantyke's pattern on it's back will look like in the Johto region?
Any ideas? A real mystery... Lol!

What do u mean? Why would that change?

[Kyone]

Yeah, I got a little confused, I never even heard of Mantyke's back changing. O_o

[Dark Sakurati]

What!? You mean you don't know that Mantyke's pattern on it's back differ by region? Well I know because I read every detail of my Pokédex. This is what my Pokédex says on my Pearl version: "Scientists discovered that the distinctive patterns on its back differ by region."

Hmmm...

~Gamehacker64~

[Inferno1]

i think they may just add new items and maybe the item magnet can have a new use to evolve them and for leafeon i think they should of just used a leaf stone like it even has leaf in the name

[MetalMario]

A new Shellos forme, like yellow, would be cute. (Kanto Shellos? Or found in a mini-region?) It would end up looking like a Sinnoh forme when traded to D/P/P though, so they may not.

The Eevee rocks can be put in new rooms in the Ilex Forest and Ice Cave which are opened up once you get your NatDex. They can make Nosepass evolve anywhere they please, since it wasn't found in G/S/C. Magneton will probably need a new room opened up once you get the NatDex, since Magnetons don't normally evolve in either Kanto or Johto.

What!? You mean you don't know that Mantyke's pattern on it's back differ by region? Well I know because I read every detail of my Pokédex. This is what my Pokédex says on my Pearl version: "Scientists discovered that the distinctive patterns on its back differ by region."
It might be nice, but you'd run into the same problem as Shellos--that the graphics for it aren't present on D/P/P. (They also said the same thing about Arbok's patterns, but it's never varied ingame.)

i think they may just add new items and maybe the item magnet can have a new use to evolve them and for leafeon i think they should of just used a leaf stone like it even has leaf in the name
These all violate the Law of Conservation of Game Mechanics, and so won't be done. I know, I know, Lickitung and Piloswine can learn their evolution moves on GenIII. Shhh.

[Kyone]

I really wouldn't like it if they use a leaf stone to evolve Leafeon now the Magnet for Magneton. I prefer they simply choose a new spot for them in the Kanto or somewhere.

[Predator.]

Im guessing stuff like new stones. Or maybe NEW Areas with those things included..

[Kyone]

I wouldn't think new stones would show up, as DPPt wouldn't have the coding for it. So, I'm guessing a new area would be the probable way Game Freak might take it.

[Haza]

It can only be expected that we will see a few since we have been graced with them in every new game basically since the GBA games. Its very likely even though it would hurt the hearts of many, it will give the remakes even more flavor and can help them compete with the success od Pokemon Platinum. Its a trend that was recieved quite well and I dont see them stopping.

Ho oh & Lugia - I personally think they will get them most certainly. Heart form and Soul form if you will? Just a fancy way to redistribute their stats and give them new edgy designs.

Suicune - Northern Wind form?

Rotom - Less likely but their are so many more appliances in the world and unused types that the Pokemon could characterize.

Castform - Sand form. The idea is still out there and Sandstorms are officially a weather effect arent they?

Deoxys - Highly speculated but I dont see where it would gain its stat difference from. HP maybe?

Shellos & Gastrodon - Its been confirmed that their designs differ region to region.

All of these ideas could easily be done when you think about it.

Do you guys approve of the idea or resent it? What are your ideas on some of the forms that we should expect?

[*Nayz*]

I could see the Rotom and Castform thing happening. I wouldn't be totally opposed. I mean it is a new game after all. If it were exactly the same to the T it would be pointless to buy if you already own the original GSC even if it does mean better graphics.

[bobandbill]

Threads merged here. Given the old thread already had decent discussion and can still be discussed some more.
It can only be expected that we will see a few since we have been graced with them in every new game basically since the GBA games. Its very likely even though it would hurt the hearts of many, it will give the remakes even more flavor and can help them compete with the success od Pokemon Platinum. Its a trend that was recieved quite well and I dont see them stopping.

Ho oh & Lugia - I personally think they will get them most certainly. Heart form and Soul form if you will? Just a fancy way to redistribute their stats and give them new edgy designs.

Suicune - Northern Wind form?

Rotom - Less likely but their are so many more appliances in the world and unused types that the Pokemon could characterize.

Castform - Sand form. The idea is still out there and Sandstorms are officially a weather effect arent they?

Deoxys - Highly speculated but I dont see where it would gain its stat difference from. HP maybe?

Shellos & Gastrodon - Its been confirmed that their designs differ region to region.

All of these ideas could easily be done when you think about it.

Do you guys approve of the idea or resent it? What are your ideas on some of the forms that we should expect? Myself, I'm sceptical of there being many formes about, if any. Lugia and Ho-oh, for instance... just don't really strike me as Pokemon to go about have different formes just like that - and given that they have been around for a good while, it'd seem a bit strange that suddenly they happen to have a forme. =/ Same for Suicune (or any of the dogs); such things would seem to be essentially changing what the Pokemon are and have been established as, really - can't see myself supporting such a thing if it came about.

Rotom formes, I might see, but still a bit doubtful over seeing new ones (there's already 5, and IDK if there'd be much relavance in having new ones for it in Johto/Kanto... far away from Sinnoh and Charon).

Deoxys doesn't really need another form/e either, tbh... and that would, I believe, mean that this forme wouldn't be accessible in D/P/Pt, given the metorites there and all? Castform gaining a Sand form... that's debatable - unsure if this'd happen givent hat they haven't actually bothered to thus far - and how would that work if you used it in a Sandstorm against someone with D/P/Pt? Not sure if that's quite possible - probably could work but there's a bit of a gray area too. (And to be technical, another weather effect from the move 'Shadow Sky' in Pokemon XD did not affect Castform's... form either).

Shellos & Gastrodon seem to have the strongest case, but there's I'm still uncertain of... it is true that there are other sprites for them in D/P/Pt's coding, but it is thought that they are merely beta sprites left in. And I can easily see it that their form stays the same no matter where they are moved to - just depends on what side of Sinnoh they were born in and all...

In all, I'm doubtful we'll actually get any new formes or the such, and not that supportive of them as well. But that's just me, and also, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Haza]

Threads merged here. Given the old thread already had decent discussion and can still be discussed some more.
Myself, I'm sceptical of there being many formes about, if any. Lugia and Ho-oh, for instance... just don't really strike me as Pokemon to go about have different formes just like that - and given that they have been around for a good while, it'd seem a bit strange that suddenly they happen to have a forme. =/ Same for Suicune (or any of the dogs); such things would seem to be essentially changing what the Pokemon are and have been established as, really - can't see myself supporting such a thing if it came about.

Rotom formes, I might see, but still a bit doubtful over seeing new ones (there's already 5, and IDK if there'd be much relavance in having new ones for it in Johto/Kanto... far away from Sinnoh and Charon).

Deoxys doesn't really need another form/e either, tbh... and that would, I believe, mean that this forme wouldn't be accessible in D/P/Pt, given the metorites there and all? Castform gaining a Sand form... that's debatable - unsure if this'd happen givent hat they haven't actually bothered to thus far - and how would that work if you used it in a Sandstorm against someone with D/P/Pt? Not sure if that's quite possible - probably could work but there's a bit of a gray area too. (And to be technical, another weather effect from the move 'Shadow Sky' in Pokemon XD did not affect Castform's... form either).

Shellos & Gastrodon seem to have the strongest case, but there's I'm still uncertain of... it is true that there are other sprites for them in D/P/Pt's coding, but it is thought that they are merely beta sprites left in. And I can easily see it that their form stays the same no matter where they are moved to - just depends on what side of Sinnoh they were born in and all...

In all, I'm doubtful we'll actually get any new formes or the such, and not that supportive of them as well. But that's just me, and also, we'll just have to wait and see.

I have considered all of this but there is still a feeling inside of me that says otherwise. If they are not afraid to give classic Pokemon new evolutions and pre-evolutions am sure they would give some alternate forms.

[Pokedra]

I don't think there will be too many new formes.

Perhaps a new Deoxys form but not much else.

[blueblur155]

maybe, youll be able to evolve magneton and nosepass at Mt. Silver? (i am sry if this was already resolved on a different post)

[TERRA#493]

You will be able to trade them (means, this Pokemon, which are integrated in HG/SS) easily, i think.
In HG/SS possibly Moss Rock is located in the Ilex Forest and Icy Rock in the Icy Path. When you want Shaymin in HG/SS, you surely have to trade it from D/P/PT (in Land or in Sky Form), because the main Legendarys in HG/SS are Lugia, Ho-Oh, (eventually Celebi) and Raikou, Entei, Suicune, not any other-Generation-Legendarys. Nosepass, Magneton could be possibly evolved near the Power Plant, because of the magnetism source.
I think in HG/SS there will be no meteorits for changing Deoxys' form, but if however, the most obvious location are the Ruins of Alph.

[>Feelings<]

For Glaceon, the Ice Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ice path. It's perfect there.

For Leafeon, the Moss Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ilex Forest. It's perfect there.

For Magneton and Nosepass, the new source of magnetism would best be near the Power plant in Kanto. You just have to level up in the grass just outside the Power Plant.
But another source of this magnetism could be in the Team Rocket base, just where there is a strip of traps which make wild Pokemon appear.

Shaymin's Gracedia Flower could just simply be given by some other person, as simple as that!

For Deoxys, rocks like that could be placed around Ruins of alph. Even though Deoxys is not related to the ruins, the rocks being there seems to be a better fit than the other places.

There will not be any new formes for Shellos and Gastrodon - since their formes actually count as a different Pokemon, and their formes cannot be changed. So, if there was a new forme for it, it couldn't be traded to D/P/Pt.

[encas]

I'll agree with everyone else and say that they'll put counterparts to the Moss and Icy Rocks somewhere in Johto or Kanto. But I have no idea why they'd put them in Johto unless they altered the Johto Pokedex to include all those new evolutions. So I think the moss rock being in Viridian Forest and the Icy Rock in the Seafoam Islands would be a better bet. This is of course, assuming that those areas aren't cut down as in G/S/C. And Mt. Silver, not being accessible until after Kanto, would be perfect for Nosepass and Magneton.

But as for the move evolution Pokemon, I'd say that they can still learn their moves, but won't be able to evolve. Think FR/LG when you had, say, a Golbat and it tried to evolve but couldn't? I'm thinking something similar will happen here.

[Kyone]

For Glaceon, the Ice Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ice path. It's perfect there.

For Leafeon, the Moss Rock will probably have another counterpart in the Ilex Forest. It's perfect there.

For Magneton and Nosepass, the new source of magnetism would best be near the Power plant in Kanto. You just have to level up in the grass just outside the Power Plant.
But another source of this magnetism could be in the Team Rocket base, just where there is a strip of traps which make wild Pokemon appear.

Shaymin's Gracedia Flower could just simply be given by some other person, as simple as that!

For Deoxys, rocks like that could be placed around Ruins of alph. Even though Deoxys is not related to the ruins, the rocks being there seems to be a better fit than the other places.

There will not be any new formes for Shellos and Gastrodon - since their formes actually count as a different Pokemon, and their formes cannot be changed. So, if there was a new forme for it, it couldn't be traded to D/P/Pt.

Now, the Ice Rock and Moss Rock has two different locations where they can be found. Ilex Forest and Viridian Forest are two possible places for the Moss Rock. While on the other hand, Seafoam Islands and the Ice Cave are two other locations for the Ice Rock. The dependent factor on where it is placed is really the uniform of the Pokédex as we do get Eevee in the Johto Region. Seeing as if an Eevee is near one of these locations and simply levels up, then it'll evolve too early, and stopping them from evolving near the rock just because we don't have the National Pokédex simply defeats the purpose of the rocks.

I agree with Nosepass and Magneton as the Power Plant and Mt. Silver come later on in the game. Except, for Nosepass it'll either be caught in the game through swarm, PokéReadar or simply be available, depending on if the remakes take this factor from what was introduced in DPPt.

Shaymin's Gracidea Flower, yes they can simply add someone in to give it to us. More than likely a floral person after we show them we have a Shaymin that comes from Sinnoh, or something along those lines.

Deoxys, could get new forms here. As it can simply revert back to another form afterwards when being changed.

As for Shellos and Gastrodon, this is at the edge for me. As it can be a possible factor seeing as what the Pokédex says. Plus, it was once said Shellos was originall supposed to be placed in RSE instead of DPPt, but never happened. Seeing so, they can possible have a new Shellos and Gastrodon form and work their way around the compatability reasons, but we'll see.

I'll agree with everyone else and say that they'll put counterparts to the Moss and Icy Rocks somewhere in Johto or Kanto. But I have no idea why they'd put them in Johto unless they altered the Johto Pokedex to include all those new evolutions. So I think the moss rock being in Viridian Forest and the Icy Rock in the Seafoam Islands would be a better bet. This is of course, assuming that those areas aren't cut down as in G/S/C. And Mt. Silver, not being accessible until after Kanto, would be perfect for Nosepass and Magneton.

But as for the move evolution Pokemon, I'd say that they can still learn their moves, but won't be able to evolve. Think FR/LG when you had, say, a Golbat and it tried to evolve but couldn't? I'm thinking something similar will happen here.

Counterparts are very likely, and I think they have a bit slighter chance of appearing in Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest over Ilex Forest and the Ice Cave. You have a point there as it depends on what they plan on doing with the new PokéDex of Johto. I doubt however that these locations will be cut as they are important and needed to catch certain Pokémon and gain certain items in the game.

For the new evolutions, I possibly see them stopping randomly like it was done in FRLG. It'll keep the game from a drastic change and stick to some Johto basics. Of course, GameFreak has the privilage to do as they choose, but I'm hoping that receiving the new evolutions isn't too early, but rather left for us to do a side quest to access trading abaility with DPPt [something similar to which we had to do in FRLG before trading with RSE].

[2A4Rulez]

I think that HGSS has to be like FRLG meaning that Glaceon and Leafeon won't be available unless you trade them over from Diamond and Pearl or get them off of the GTS. Gen III and IV Pokemon should not be available unless you trade them. To evolve Magneton and Probopass you should have to trade them from you're game over to Diamond or Pearl and level them up at the respective locations.

[kingofjokers]

in like 90 percent sure they will put new forms for shellos and gastrodon and i think thats all that will be different

[Ayselipera]

For Glaceon and Leafeon they will probably
just move the rocks over to future games.
As for pokemon like Magnezone and Probopass
I'm not sure. I think Nintendo made a mistake
by making some pokemon only able to evolve in
certain regions. Who knows though they could
just make it that they can evolve in any mountain.

[TheAliveTrain]

Deoxys - As of Veilstone City's rocks, new rocks can be somewhere in Johto, Kanto or whatever region they'll include, and so, you could change your Deoxys form anytime. It is not probable that a new form will be implemented, as all the others can be get without an item, this one should not be different, and so, it would be unobtainable on the other games.

Shaymin - If you can see the Potion from Cianwood on Sinnoh, you can also see the Gracidea Flower (or how it is spelt) on Johto. Simple, huh? The same thing is said for possible Arceus issues.

Mantyke - Nothing will be changed on Mantyke in my honest opinion. The same thing has been said to Arbok, and (although the marks changed from gen. to gen.) their marks have been the same in every region. So, that said from the Pokédex is just to make us (players) believe that there's a whole world and not only a region.

Shellos/Gastrodon - There are unused sprites for them on the DPPt data I guess, so who knows. Although there are no front sprites so it makes me think that we'll get the same east / west forms, and there's nothing wrong with that, as Johto (I mean, as every region) has East and West sides. Plus, Johto could have one form, and Kanto the other one. Want better?

Leafion/Glaceon - There could be new rocks somewhere in Johto. And you'll say that so Eevee can evolve before the Dex gets improved. For that there's Kanto.
(And also pointing out that the first 2 gens are in the Johto Dex, it wouldn't be surprising if they re-organize the Dex and put some pokémons from new generations like those 2 there.)

Magnezone/Probopass - Just think. They are both magnetic Pokémons (in case you didn't notice), and so, Mt Coronet is not the only place in the (pokémon) world which has special magnetic fields. Now think again. Think of a place like a mountain or a group of them and now of those mountains think of one which separates something (as Mt.Coronet) and which can only be acessed after the Elite4 (to be unable to obtain them before the Dex Upgrade). That's it, Mt.Silver, which is a mountain (a big one), that separates 2 regions (in a certain way) and you only go there after the elite 4 beating.

Azurill/Wynaut/Mismagius/Magmortar/Togekiss and some others -They all need items to evolve, and those items won't be avaliable untill you defeat the Elite4 (So they may be on Kanto).

Lickilicky/Mamoswine - I've seen these names somewhere in this topic, so just to don't create issues i'll give my opinion. On generation III games, you couldn't evolve Golbat to Crobat (Hapiness method) untill you defeated the Elite4, could you? Now just change the Pokémon names and the evolving method.



As for new forms, Unown and Legend Pókemons are the most probable (although there are only 6, being 3 of them a trio).

Note that this is MY OPINION, pure speculation.

[Cameo]

Deoxys - As of Veilstone City's rocks, new rocks can be somewhere in Johto, Kanto or whatever region they'll include, and so, you could change your Deoxys form anytime. It is not probable that a new form will be implemented, as all the others can be get without an item, this one should not be different, and so, it would be unobtainable on the other games.

Shaymin - If you can see the Potion from Cianwood on Sinnoh, you can also see the Gracidea Flower (or how it is spelt) on Johto. Simple, huh? The same thing is said for possible Arceus issues.

Mantyke - Nothing will be changed on Mantyke in my honest opinion. The same thing has been said to Arbok, and (although the marks changed from gen. to gen.) their marks have been the same in every region. So, that said from the Pokédex is just to make us (players) believe that there's a whole world and not only a region.

Shellos/Gastrodon - There are unused sprites for them on the DPPt data I guess, so who knows. Although there are no front sprites so it makes me think that we'll get the same east / west forms, and there's nothing wrong with that, as Johto (I mean, as every region) has East and West sides. Plus, Johto could have one form, and Kanto the other one. Want better?

Leafion/Glaceon - There could be new rocks somewhere in Johto. And you'll say that so Eevee can evolve before the Dex gets improved. For that there's Kanto.
(And also pointing out that the first 2 gens are in the Johto Dex, it wouldn't be surprising if they re-organize the Dex and put some pokémons from new generations like those 2 there.)

Magnezone/Probopass - Just think. They are both magnetic Pokémons (in case you didn't notice), and so, Mt Coronet is not the only place in the (pokémon) world which has special magnetic fields. Now think again. Think of a place like a mountain or a group of them and now of those mountains think of one which separates something (as Mt.Coronet) and which can only be acessed after the Elite4 (to be unable to obtain them before the Dex Upgrade). That's it, Mt.Silver, which is a mountain (a big one), that separates 2 regions (in a certain way) and you only go there after the elite 4 beating.

Azurill/Wynaut/Mismagius/Magmortar/Togekiss and some others -They all need items to evolve, and those items won't be avaliable untill you defeat the Elite4 (So they may be on Kanto).

Lickilicky/Mamoswine - I've seen these names somewhere in this topic, so just to don't create issues i'll give my opinion. On generation III games, you couldn't evolve Golbat to Crobat (Hapiness method) untill you defeated the Elite4, could you? Now just change the Pokémon names and the evolving method.

As for new forms, Unown and Legend Pókemons are the most probable (although there are only 6, being 3 of them a trio).

Note that this is MY OPINION, pure speculation.

Well, I think it would make sense if they´d just place those stones that make Deoxys to change it´s form somewhere into Kanto or Johto. After all that´s the way they did in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. It would also be really nice if Deoxys would get a new form, but more cool would be if Deoxys wouldn´t just change it form and also it´s type would change (like Shaymin does).
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.
I wish that in these games you don´t have to trade all other region´s pokémon trough wifi or from friends like in FR/LG. : P

[Kyone]

Well, I think it would make sense if they´d just place those stones that make Deoxys to change it´s form somewhere into Kanto or Johto. After all that´s the way they did in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. It would also be really nice if Deoxys would get a new form, but more cool would be if Deoxys wouldn´t just change it form and also it´s type would change (like Shaymin does).
And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.
I wish that in these games you don´t have to trade all other region´s pokémon trough wifi or from friends like in FR/LG. : P

I'd like for them to add in the stones for altering the form of Deoxys. It was a lot simpler than having its forms as version exculsive. They can easily place its rocks either by the ruins or somewhere suitable as it'll fit [in a way]. The idea of it changing its type though isn't absolutely necessary. If it were to change type it'll on be available in that game, because just like Shaymin, if traded back to DP, it'll be its regular land form. Plus, it being a Psychic type fits. Though, by going with your idea, if it had to be another type and form, then I'd say Psychic/Steel would fit best in my own opinion.

As for the location of magneton and Nosepass on where to evolve, either it be Mt. Silver or the Power Plant, it doesn't really bother me. Though, having to trade just to make them evolve would be too much of a hassle for some other people; especially those who do not have DPPt. Though, the reason why they make these games needed with trade ability is so Nintendo and GameFreak earn their money the want to collect, and it is a smart way for them on doing it too.

By the way, on the previous topic with Leafeon and Glaceon. I'd rather them hold the Ice Rock and Moss Rock in the Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest as it may hopefully persuade the game makers to allow the area to expand rather than how it was created smaller back in Gold and Silver.

[TheAliveTrain]

By the way, on the previous topic with Leafeon and Glaceon. I'd rather them hold the Ice Rock and Moss Rock in the Seafoam Islands and Viridian Forest as it may hopefully persuade the game makers to allow the area to expand rather than how it was created smaller back in Gold and Silver.

I thought about Viridian to the Moss Rock but I had no place which would fit the Ice Rock :D


And for Magnezone I have to say that it would make more sense if Magneton would evolve when leveled up in the Power Plant of Kanto region. It would make more sense than evolving in Mt. Silver.

A power plant does not have so much to do with magnetic stuff at all, though it is linked to electricity. Plus, Mt. Silver was an example, which fits (in my point of view) both Magneton and Nosepass.

Anyway, I just want to get out the idea that you (players) will have to trade every Pokémon because it evolves in an UNIQUE place, which is not true. Leafion and Glaceon are evolved near a Moss Rock and an Ice Rock respectivily, not just from the one in Eterna Forest and the one near Snowpoint. Same thing to Magneton and Probopass, they do not exclusivly evolve in Mt.Coronet, but they do in a certain magnetic place (as they're a magnet and a compass). (And I'll keep this idea till someone proves this wrong xD)

[MidTownHD]

maybe some trainers will have these pokes, so when we battle them, the pokedex info will be recorded...

[bobandbill]

I thought about Viridian to the Moss Rock but I had no place which would fit the Ice Rock Ice Rock... the best candidate there would be in the Ice Path in Johto, have to say. If it were in Kanto then besides the Seaform Islands (if they expand that from GSC and all) would be the best bet... =/ Or a new, small place altogether.

[Pokemon12345678901]

Shellos's Pokedex entries states:
Diamond's - Its color and shapes differ from region to region. In the Sinnoh region, two types are confirmed.

Pearl - It lives along bodies of water. Its body shape has changed to suit its habitat.

There is also unused sprites for Gastrodon and Shellos.
Here is some pictures
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/07/Spr_4dp_423_beta.png
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/4/41/Spr_4dp_422_beta.png

[Ooka]

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/4/41/Spr_4dp_422_beta.png

Erm, I could have sworn that one was in D/P/Pt xD

[deku]

For Mt. Coronet evolutions, there will probably be an item available at some point in the game that is like a 'Coronet Rock Piece' or somthing like that, that you attatch to the Pokemon to evolve. For shaymin you probably have to wait until you get at some point in Kanto, as Oak mentioned somthing about a similar place to find shaymin in Kanto. You will probably be a Gracedia flower somewhere in Kanto/Johto too for form changes. Eevee will probably have an item just like for Mt. Coronet evos, or rocks placed around Kanto and Johto just like the ones in Sinnoh. There will probably be meteors in Johto/Kanto for deoxys as there were in Vielstone (i think) in Sinnoh. Shellos and Gastrodion will hopefully get new forms for the region, as the pokedex entry said somthing about different forms for each region.

[varial295]

I heard DPPt and HGSS are compatible (?) so people can just trade those Pokemon over to HGSS. Easy.

And besides, I think they did the remakes is either because:
a) They wanted GSC Pokemon to be able to trade over to DPPt, since GSC Pokemon can in no way be traded over to DPPt, thus completing the National Dex (or vice versa, I really dunno...);
or
b) They just wanted to remake the games. End of story.

Take your pick.



well notice that after they made ruby and saphire they made firered and leafgreen so llook at that pattern there because its
ruby sapphire.
fire red leafgreen
diamond pearl.
heart gold soul silver

[Ooka]

well notice that after they made ruby and saphire they made firered and leafgreen so llook at that pattern there because its
ruby sapphire.
fire red leafgreen
diamond pearl.
heart gold soul silver

Well, you can't quite call it a pattern yet, as it could merely be coincidence. :/

[Kyone]

I'd call it a pattern as Pokémon is known for making reptition in their work, but then again it is a little too early for a call. Anyway, I'm pretty sure a new Gastrodon forme is possible for the remake seeing as though DPPt has left over coding for it. If it does, then I'd really be glad to see a front sprite of it over a back sprite given from Bulbapedia. Except, I cannot help but think if it'll be available by swarm in the Kanto and Johto or will it be available before the Dex, which I hope not as I'd like the original PokéDex to stay like how it was in the original.

Though, it is stated that Shellos and Gastrodon's appearance depends on their location. So, I'm simply wondering if GameFreak won't be lazy to use the same new Shellos and Gastrodon form in both Johto and Kanto because they are next door regions. Or, will they make them different to support the PokéDex definition of it. It'll definitely be interesting with a new form of Shellos and Gastrodon around though.

[Ayselipera]

Ughh, I'm so sick of forms of pokemon.
We don't need another Gastrodon form.
Gastrodon is Gastrodon no matter how
many different colors they throw on it.
Instead of wasting time making new
forms make new better pokemon.

[iTzKaizer]

Ughh, I'm so sick of forms of pokemon.
We don't need another Gastrodon form.
Gastrodon is Gastrodon no matter how
many different colors they throw on it.
Instead of wasting time making new
forms make new better pokemon.

New pokemon are left for new generations.

[Pan!ko]

Probably made so that u can't get them other than through trade. That way DPPt won't be 4gotten and people will keep on playing even after the game comes out.

[Haza]

Erm, I could have sworn that one was in D/P/Pt xD

Its unuesed. it combines features from both the east and west Shellos.

[Wings Don't Cry]

I wasn't sure about this but was it possible to evolve your Chansey and Evee through happiness in Fr/Lg before the national dex because if it was I think it is very likely the mos rock and ice rock will be in Ilex forest and Ice path

[YellowPen]

How about West/East Gastrodon for Kanto/Jhoto respectively

and dont they the mention about the white rock in Kanto in D/P/Pt?
because that could be used for alternative forms as the player would have a their national dex

im sure they will include most alternative forms.

[Ultra Ball X]

I just hope they don't have any more stupid baby forms so pointless....

[Ooka]

Its unuesed. it combines features from both the east and west Shellos.

That's probably why I was recognizing it. I could have sworn I'd seen it before. xD

[Elena]

This may be a fourth generation game, but you have to remember that it is a remake of the SECOND generation games. Thus there will most likely not be ways to evolve them at all.
That's when trading comes in handy.

[Kyone]

I just hope they don't have any more stupid baby forms so pointless....

I know they won't give up on baby stages for some Pokémon. Though, you can't expect any new baby stages of Pokémon seeing as the game is a remake and new a new Generation. As, a new baby Pokémon for an older Generation monster is something new, unlike a form, which would be just an alternative.

[Ineffable~]

I don't know if people pointed this out about the Eeveelution forms, but there are four very easy places they could use to utilise the method of evolution for Glaceon and Leafeon.

For the former, the Ice Cave or Seafoam Islands.
For the latter, Ilex Forest or Veridian Forest.

As for Probopass and Magnezone; the other location-evolution Pokemon, they could use Mt. Silver as the evolution location.

Granted, this is just assuming that they are including Generation III and IV Pokemon in HG/SS, which would be the case if comparing it to the remakes of Generation I. the only thing I have to say to those who go, "But they weren't in the original release! Neither Eevee nor Magneton evolved in the originals!!"
- So what? Sevii Islands wasn't in the original release of the Generation I games. Neither was the event with Bill on Cinnabar Island.

The thought about the evolution locations seems very probable. Likely the best idea here. And as for Generation III Pokémon appearing, we know they do, because of the Kyogre and Groudon thing. :P And it seems likely that Generation IV Pokémon would appear, or else why would they have Arceus OWs and so many correlations with Platinum. I just know these will be better than Firered and Leafgreen. Nintendo will redeem itself in the realm of remakes.

[YellowPen]

does the notch-ear pichu count as a alternative form for pichu?

man i hope i can capture that little guy

[Kyone]

does the notch-ear pichu count as a alternative form for pichu?

man i hope i can capture that little guy

I don't know if I'd count it as an alternate form of Pichu, but possbily more of a special event Pichu. It is more basically based on a movie with a Pichu who has a little funny ear. A different form of a Pokémon usually go with a basic and obsolete different appearance and most of the time stat changes. For example, Shamin and its Sky forme. Then there is Rotom and it's appliances forms. It really depends on how you define an alternative of a Pokémon. For me though, I'd consider the Pichu more of a special catch over a new forme.

[Ineffable~]

The notched-ear Pichu doesn't actually have a notched ear in its sprite, just its OW. So it's not actually a different forme at all. I'm not sure, but, since the encounter with the notched-ear Pichu is shown in Ilex Forest, it may be a Celebi event of some sort. Though, I can't imagine what two funny-looking Pichu could have to with Celebi.

[Norcinu]

I doubt they'll introduce new forms of Shellos and Gastrodon, they're new Pokemon and not fonud in the Jhoto region, and having to make up new forms could be a hassle. As for Pokemon needing places to evolve, I'm thinking they'll either choose places already in the game to suit or make it unobtainable in the game... or maybe they'll have extra islands to fix this?

[Pan!ko]

The notched-ear Pichu doesn't actually have a notched ear in its sprite, just its OW.
How do we know its not in the sprite? Or have i missed something important? >sigh< I'm really dissapointed about not being able to get that pichu... also it could be an alternate form as it may have differant moves to a normal pichu. Does that count?

[Kyone]

How do we know its not in the sprite? Or have i missed something important? >sigh< I'm really dissapointed about not being able to get that pichu... also it could be an alternate form as it may have differant moves to a normal pichu. Does that count?

We don't know of the Notch-Eared Pichu's sprite has the altered ear or not. More than likely though, if the OW sprite represents it, it just may have it in the battle sprite as well. It makes sense to do this or it'll basically be a normal Pichu. However, we'd need more information on this, as they haven't continued on it thus far.

A lot of people speculate however that it may have something to do with Celebi, just because it was seen by the Shrine in Ilex Forest. Now, I don't blame people for thinking this, but I'd think it is pretty irrelevant. I'd think the two events would be seperate between Celebi and the Pichu, allowing us to get both, but not together.

As for the forms, certain times a new form of Pokémon has their own unique moves. For example, each new Rotom form can learn an exclusive move. The same thing goes for Skymin, as it can learn Air Slash while the Land Form Shaymin cannot. So, some new forms do get new moves, and I'd think that if the Pichu was counted exlclusively in the remakes, then I'd say a new move for it would be Volt Tackle, as it seems probable. Though, like I said, it depends on how a person defines a new form as the Notch Eared Pichu may be a new form of Pokémon for some, while for others it may not.

[YellowPen]

Well i havent seen the new movie that has the notch ear pichu, but does it do some different move that a normal pichu could do?

Hopefully they make the NE pichu catchable

[Ineffable~]

How do we know its not in the sprite? Or have i missed something important? >sigh< I'm really dissapointed about not being able to get that pichu... also it could be an alternate form as it may have differant moves to a normal pichu. Does that count? Why would that count? I know the sprite doesn't have a notched ear because it doesn't in Platinum, either. And why would they make it in HG/SS if it would just become a normal Pichu in the other games?

[UltraXTheMagmaDrapion]

I heard from someone who is friends with someone who has a 2nd cousin that works for Nintendo, Gastrodon/Shellos are going to be given their West/East formes, new North/South formes, and North West/North East as secret formes, plus South West/South East formes being argued over whether to be counted as a new species and be Event Legendaries, or whether not to release them so that NW/NE are more special. I believe that the Event side is winning the debate.

[Ineffable~]

Yeah, never heard that one before. You either made that up as you went, or you're... very gullible.

♪I heard it from a friend whooooooooo
Heard it from a frieeeeeend whooooooo
Heard it from another that there are are new formes of Gastrodon and Shellos♪

[Charmageddon]

Some Gen IV pokemon evolved depending on where they were levelled up. Which areas will they be changed to in these remakes?

Leafeon - Ilex Forest?

Glaceon - Ice Cave?

Magnezone - No idea really

Probopass - Not sure who would even want this pokemon

[lolwut]

probopass is actually pretty good for a stall team for UU. And they could get evolved in lost cave maybe? or mt silver..

[JollyRoger25]

No I think there just going to have stone-like objecst you give your pokes to evolve them, like Moss Stone, Ice Stone and Magnetic Stone.

[Eggie Poo Poo]

Or they could just be unobtainable in HG/SS, forcing you to go out and buy D/P/Pt and get Leafeon or Glaceon. Hey, they make more money that way.

[Melodyfree]

Leafeon - Hidden area in Ilex Forest (unlockable w/Nat Dex)
Glaceon - Hidden area in Ice Cave (unlockable w/Nat Dex)
Magnezone/Probopass - Mt. Moon perhaps? Or the Power Plant. Any area that can BS an excuse to have evo-inducing radio waves will work, really.

[Britney's Circus]

Leafeon - Hidden area in Ilex Forest (unlockable w/Nat Dex)
Glaceon - Hidden area in Ice Cave (unlockable w/Nat Dex)
Magnezone/Probopass - Mt. Moon perhaps? Or the Power Plant. Any area that can BS an excuse to have evo-inducing radio waves will work, really.
I agree fully with what you say but Mt.Moon will be a little strange to find Probopass mind but maybe using Rock Smash you can find the pre-evolution. :)

[bobandbill]

Merged topic on new evolution methods with this pre-existing topic.

[Kyone]

I agree fully with what you say but Mt.Moon will be a little strange to find Probopass mind but maybe using Rock Smash you can find the pre-evolution. :)

I think you got a little mistaken. It was referred that Mt. Moon could be a possible location to evolve Nosepass and Magneton into their new 4th Generation evolutions after the National Dex is obtained; not capture their evolutions here.

@ JollyRoger25: I would doubt the Moss Rock, Moss Stone, and a Magnetic Stone would be made to evolve these certain Pokémon, because it wouldn't be something needed. Also, it would creat compatability issues when it comes to trading with DPPt as it'll be an unknown item for the game.

However, the idea that a new and smaller location can be unlocked in the Ilex Forest and Ice Path is a very good thought. It was done in Emerald for the Safari Zone, such that after we obtained the National Dex an xtended area would be unlocked. So, this idea for the Moss and Ice Rock could be very well possible. We'll see what they decide on doing with it though, because with the new locations and Kanto being added, it also adds in other possibilities to place these two evolutions objects for Eevee.

My thought for how to evolve Nosepass and Magneton though is that the Power Plant or Mt. Silver could be possible. There are also a few other places that could be utilized as well for evolving these two, such as Mt. Moon like stated before or even one of the new cave locations introduced to the remakes.

[Holy Phantom]

The Holy Phantom says...
I hope Glaceon and Leafeon aren't in the game (at least the scenario part). Kanto is my main choice for those to happen. Probopass and Magnezone can both evolve in the Power Plant (before saying: you redundant effer, keep in mind i just went straight for the posting!) Other than that, please nintendo DON'T MAKE THESE GUYS EVOLVE IN JOHTO! Me and a lot of the people at Pokecommunity want to actually RELIVE the glory days of Johto. You can add new events and locations (where you CAN put in newer pokes if you want but don't change the general story. (I don't want to see a Starly or a Bidoof on the first route!).

The Holy Phantom shuts up.

[Inferno1]

I always thought the moss rock and the frost rock were not a very smart idea i think the LEAF Stone should be used to evolve LEAFeon and they should of just added a another new Stone called the Frost stone or Glacier Stone or something to evolve Glacion and if they made that stone snorunt Could of used it to become Frosslass

[Derozio]

Maybe they may edit the evolution methods of all these pokemon and make them so that they evolve in a certain favourable environment. For e.g. Nosepass and magneton can evolve in a place where there are dense magnetic waves while for eevee they may make a special spot that has more favourable environment. They can make a secret hidden spot that only has a lot of greenery where eevee can evolve into leafeon (maybe in ilex forest) and a different spot somewhere else where it is very cold(maybe ice path or mt.silver like stated above by my fellow comrades). I have no idea about what they will do with Deoxys. But I sincerely wish that these pokemon who evolve into 4th gen pokemon have to hold their evolutions until national pokedex or something. (even though we won't be able to get weavile :( ).

[Haza]

I find it that Johto indeed holds a lake that is a charactaristic/emotion as does Sinnoh. Maybe the Sinnoh lake trio will get Rage Forms from the Lake of Rage?

[Charmageddon]

The Holy Phantom says...
I hope Glaceon and Leafeon aren't in the game (at least the scenario part). Kanto is my main choice for those to happen. Probopass and Magnezone can both evolve in the Power Plant (before saying: you redundant effer, keep in mind i just went straight for the posting!) Other than that, please nintendo DON'T MAKE THESE GUYS EVOLVE IN JOHTO! Me and a lot of the people at Pokecommunity want to actually RELIVE the glory days of Johto. You can add new events and locations (where you CAN put in newer pokes if you want but don't change the general story. (I don't want to see a Starly or a Bidoof on the first route!).

The Holy Phantom shuts up.

Why should evolutions be restricted? It makes no sense. If you don't want to evolve your pokemon then fine, don't. But some of us do want to evolve them, so we should have the option to. Then everyone's happy, right?

[Haza]

Why should evolutions be restricted? It makes no sense. If you don't want to evolve your pokemon then fine, don't. But some of us do want to evolve them, so we should have the option to. Then everyone's happy, right?
Thats right. I feel the same way. If you want to go through the game in a nostalgic way, then fine.

[Kyone]

Why should evolutions be restricted? It makes no sense. If you don't want to evolve your pokemon then fine, don't. But some of us do want to evolve them, so we should have the option to. Then everyone's happy, right?

Thats right. I feel the same way. If you want to go through the game in a nostalgic way, then fine.

If I had to count any new forms in the game right now, it might be the Notch Eared Pichu. Seeing as it is given a different sprite from the other Pichus and its own special move, then I think it is safe to conlude this as a new form for the Pikachu evolution line.

However, with the scans of the new Pokédex is was shown that it will still follow the original order, excluding all third and fourth generation Pokémon. If you look at the line up and the ordered numbers you will notice it follows the original 251 Pokémon like in the original. So, with this being said it has kind of been assured that like in FRLG, any new evolutions will be held back until after Post-National Dex.

[Ryanniny]

sorry if anyone's said anything i'm about to, i wasn't gonna read through numerous pages LOL.

I made this thread to talk about how do you think that Pokémon like Eevee(Glaceon and Leafeon), Magneton(Magnezone) and Nosepass(Probopass)evolve? o.o Because the MossRock and the IcyRock are located on Sinnoh Routes and Mt Coronet is also on Sinnoh... oOo

Also... How will Shaymin change formes? and Deoxys? .o. (I'm not asking Giratina because it has an item xD) Shellos and Gastrodon, too... Will they have new formes(They had West and East)?

What's your opinion?

i think new ways could be to evolve Eeve in ilex forest for Leaefon, evolve it in ice cave for Glaceon, and mt Silver or power plant to get magnezone & probopass, possibly.
OR, the new area west of cianwood could contain special areas to evolve them.

i think that the flower woman in goldenrod city (the one who gives you the squirtbottle) would give you the gracidea for changing shaymin's formes.

Deoxys could be white rocks in kanto (mentioned in DPPt) or at mt moon (the whole space thing with clefairy's)

Shellos i personally think will have either 2 different formes (one for kanto, one for johto) or keep the same ones in DPPT, so pink would be johto, and blue kanto, separated by mt silver.

all of this would be after the elite four btw.
just my speculation though :D

[Q-Bone]

Hey everybody.

I was just wondering what would happen how Magneton and Nosepass would evolve in HeartGold and SoulSilver seeing as they only evolve when leveled up in Mt. Coronet.

Please discuss.

[Jweeson]

Perhaps there will be a way to travel there? Maybe they will change it, and think no one will care since G&S originally came out before D&P

[Derozio]

I think this topic is already discussed somewhere else(maybe in speculation thread). I think that nosepass and magneton will evolve on some place in jhoto which has magnetic waves.

[True Reign]

Hey everybody.

I was just wondering what would happen how Magneton and Nosepass would evolve in HeartGold and SoulSilver seeing as they only evolve when leveled up in Mt. Coronet.

Please discuss.
Maybe an archepeligo of islands in the game just for Pokemon who appeared in Generations 3 + 4?

[billi1000]

This has already been discussed on another thread man, but anyways, in mount coronet, a magnetic field is what made magneton and nosepass evolve, so in Johto, it seems this magnetic field will be available in another area, with i speculate to be mnt silver.

[Eggie Poo Poo]

I assume you just can't get it in HG/SS, you have to trade it to D/P/Pt, in FRLG you couldn't get Umbreon, so yeah.

[Matt-O]

My money is on Mt. Silver making them evolve, but I'm sure that they will make a way. They might also just make some sort of Stom\ne that you carry around like how you get Umbreon and Espeon in Gale of Darkness.

[whodathunk]

mabye you evolve them in mount silver

[jbs829]

im gonna agree that youre going to have to trade them to DPPt to get them

same goes for leafeon and glaceon

[Zanny77]

im gonna agree that youre going to have to trade them to DPPt to get them

same goes for leafeon and glaceon
Well, for leafeon and glaceon, you could probably evolve them in Ilex Forest or Icy Path.

[JP]

Maybe they won't even add these evolutions to the games... but who knows.

[©ereal Killer]

Thank god! I thought this was going to be like one of those VS. threads coz i will definitely say Magnezone!! (Probopass = Flying giant nose)

Im pretty sure you have to evolve them in D/P/Pt then transfer.

[Ryanniny]

Well, for leafeon and glaceon, you could probably evolve them in Ilex Forest or Icy Path.

i think this will be what they'll do for those two
but for magneton/nosepass, my money's on the power plant in kanto, you go there to sort out something wrong with lavender's radio tower, so maybe the electric waves could be out of control & you have to stabelise them, then they can evolve.
i highly doubt, for generation 4, they'd make them unattainable without the use of DPPt

[JP]

Indeed. Chances are they'll make you transfer them over to D/P/Pt for the evolutions.

[Cold Fusion]

They may not actually put them in the game, no one knows, but if they do I would guess that they would evolve on Mt. Silver.

[Yuoaman]

I'm betting that they will evolve in Mt. Silver, because all they need is a magnetic field, it's not a specific area.

[*Firestar*]

My guess would be that you can evolve Leafeon and Glaceon in Ilex Forest and Icy Path, but Probopass and Magnezone would be on Mt. Silver. Though, they may not make it possible and you would have to trade.

[TheAliveTrain]

Umbreon and Espeon were the most stupid evolution cases ever.
You should have to trade them firstly to Ruby/Saphire, evolve them there (which is not easy, as when traded loses every happiness), and then, finally, trade them back to FR/LG. So I would say to not compare them to this generation.
On D/P/Pt, almost every Pokémon was available (less starters & some legends). So my point is, the same will happen with HG/SS.
I'm one of those which agree with the theory of Mt.Silver / Magnetic Fields.
But, yeah, the other speculation also makes sense (the trading one, so they get profit.. maybe not).
Plus, both of them make sense, the same sense. And Nintendo will choose one. :D

[Ayselipera]

Like others are saying I think Mt. Silver
will be able to evolve Probopass and Magnezone.

[JollyRoger25]

I think that evolution that was based off of area will not be the case in these games:
Probopass, Magnezone: Requred that you go to Mt.Coronet, for the Magnetic field: chip a stone from the Mountian, and use its magnetic propoties to evolve said pokemons.
Leafeon: Required that you go to the Eterna Forest, for the Moss Rock: Chip a stone from the Rock, use its proporties to evolve said pokemon.
Glaceon: Required that you go to Route 217 for the Ice Rock: Chip a stone from the Rock, use its proporties to evolve said pokemon.
If they include them at all....

[bobandbill]

Merged topic on Magnezone and Probopass here, as this thread already exists for discussing how some evolutions will occue and all.

[tdog]

I think for gastros it would be johto for west kanto for east. there simply put

[Midnight_1987]

Who knows...Which legendaries will be catchable?

[Kyone]

I think for gastros it would be johto for west kanto for east. there simply put

You know, at first I had thought why not a East Gastrodon for Johto and a West Gastrodon. Then, I recently started hearing about this idea and how better fitted it seemed for the game. If there were to be added Shellos/Gastrodon forms, then I think having a Johto form and Kanto form would be the best option. It'll keep the whole concept of it from extending too far. Not to mention, Johto is basically one region together, while Sinnoh is one region, but the large Mt. Coronet splits it apart. So, the idea of a Kanto and Johto Shellos/Gastrodon idea seems a lot better. The only matter is if we'll get the new forms first.

Who knows...Which legendaries will be catchable?

According to recent scans, there is going to be an array of different legendaries added into the remakes. They range from the original Johto legendaries to now Hoenn and Sinnoh legendaries as well. However, for me, I would like it to keep the legendaries as they are now. Shaymin and Giratina was enough, but to keep it going now I think would be a little too far with it. I'd rather wait for a new generation for this idea though [at the least].

[Ellie]

If there were new Shellos/Gastrodon, how would they change when you transfer to DPPt? It'd be a little weird if both forms changed to one form when transferred, and if they each correspond to one in DPPt... then why not just make those the forms available in HgSs? It's not a bad thought, it's just the whole transfer-to-DPPt thing complicates new forms a little.

[Kyone]

If there were new Shellos/Gastrodon, how would they change when you transfer to DPPt? It'd be a little weird if both forms changed to one form when transferred, and if they each correspond to one in DPPt... then why not just make those the forms available in HgSs? It's not a bad thought, it's just the whole transfer-to-DPPt thing complicates new forms a little.

This is what a lot of people ask as well. More than likely, if a new form is made for Gastrodon and it goes by East for Kanto and West for Johto, then it wouldn't be so hard to think of how it can revert when traded back into DPPT. For example, if you have a Gastrodon that is from Johto [West], then when traded back to the DPPt games it can simply revert to the West Sinnoh form. The samething would happen for the Kanto [East] as if it were to be traded into DPPt, then it would simply revert to the East side form. There are ways of doing things where they can work, however you just need to think of those possibilities. This is just one thought that I came up with though, and it could work, but we'll see if a new form of the Shellos line is even put into the remakes.

[Blue Nocturne]

I think there could be a held item to evolve magneton and nosepass; something like "lodestone" and level up while holding said item to evolve.

Shaymin = White Rock on route 25 mentioned by prof oak in DPPt
Darkrai (if he is included) = Dark Cave, personally i though it was a bit neglected

As for Leafeon and Glaceon, more rocks seem likely, or perhaps a held item in a similar vein to the above magnet theory, perhaps a chip of the sinnoh stones... damn, someone beat me to that : (

[altaria221]

This is what a lot of people ask as well. More than likely, if a new form is made for Gastrodon and it goes by East for Kanto and West for Johto, then it wouldn't be so hard to think of how it can revert when traded back into DPPT. For example, if you have a Gastrodon that is from Johto [West], then when traded back to the DPPt games it can simply revert to the West Sinnoh form. The samething would happen for the Kanto [East] as if it were to be traded into DPPt, then it would simply revert to the East side form. There are ways of doing things where they can work, however you just need to think of those possibilities. This is just one thought that I came up with though, and it could work, but we'll see if a new form of the Shellos line is even put into the remakes.

On bulbapedia, they have another gastrodon/shellos sprite on platinum, pearl and diamond, but it is currently unused/unobtainable, so that sprite will probably be the shellos/gastrodon sprite for johto

[skittle021]

i think they should make Eevee Evole to Leafeon with a Leaf stone and make Glacion evolve with an Ice Stone.

[Kyone]

i think they should make Eevee Evole to Leafeon with a Leaf stone and make Glacion evolve with an Ice Stone.

This is one idea that makes the evolution simple for the two new Eeveelutions [Glaceon & Leafeon]. However, DPPt never had coding or introduced the item Ice Stone, so because of compatability issues, this idea wouldn't work. The reason why is because the evolution stones are able to be held and with this, they can also be traded.

So, the best thing to simply do without the hassle of contant trading or uneeded items is to simply place the Moss Rock and Ice Rock in a fixed location. The best place for it of course might be in Kanto, this way we wouldn't be able to obtain the new Eeveelutions before the National Dex. Also, there was an idea of unlocking an area within Ilex Forest and Ice Path after obtaining the National Dex. The new unlocked area in Ilex Forest and Ice Path can have the Moss and Ice Rock located within them. However, I find it easier just to place it in Kanto. This way it is less of a trouble and will give the Kanto region more of something to expand by. Still, I think the new evolutions for the 4th Generation Pokémon will be sorted out easily once the game is out.

[Sainthell]

Maybe the evolutions of eevee would be like Sneasel and that other pokemon (forgot name >_<)
you make eevee hold the Ice/leaf stone,
level him/her up,
and done!!!

[Ellie]

Why does it have to be after the E4 though? They might not make it so only 1-251 are obtainable pre-E4 (which I hope they don't, because I thought it was stupid to stop your Pokemon from evolving just because it wasn't available in the dex yet), and since Eevee is available halfway or less through the story, it'd make sense to let you use all of its evolutions once you got it.

[Kyone]

Maybe the evolutions of eevee would be like Sneasel and that other pokemon (forgot name >_<)
you make eevee hold the Ice/leaf stone,
level him/her up,
and done!!!

The thing about the held items is that you are still including new items that can be traded to DPPt. Seeing as DPPt has no information on an item such as the Ice Stone, it wouldn't match up as planned. So, to simply put it, easily placing the Moss Rock and Ice Rock in a set location would be the best route to go. It won't cause confusion and it isn't a hard task to complete either. It is basically doing the samething as holding an item, except there is no item to actually be held and you have to go to only one location for the new evolutions of Eevee to be obtained into the game. However, no one is absolutely sure on how this will turn out, so I can't say exactly if they'll do it like this either.

Why does it have to be after the E4 though? They might not make it so only 1-251 are obtainable pre-E4 (which I hope they don't, because I thought it was stupid to stop your Pokemon from evolving just because it wasn't available in the dex yet), and since Eevee is available halfway or less through the story, it'd make sense to let you use all of its evolutions once you got it.

The reason why I stated after the Elite Four is because it will be after the Elite Four. If you look at recent scans and you view the ones with the PokéDex you will notice the order used and the numbered Pokémon situated within the PokéDex. With this being said, it only stuck to the original 251 Pokémon at first and did not include the newer generations as yet. So, by speculations and details from scans it would be safe to assume that the newer generation Pokémon will not appear until after the National Dex is obtained unlike the originals.

[Charmageddon]

To be honest, that sucks. I can maybe see the logic in not having New Gen wild pokemon, but why the hell can't I evolve my Magneton or breed my Marill?

That is a good point that I've only just realised actually. If you bred your Marill/Sudowoodo/Wobuffet before the Elite Four/National Dex, what would hatch in the egg? It really wouldn't make any sense if baby pokemon didn't hatch.

[beauty. proletariat]

Deoxys - Meh. Different form, different stats, same sprite. Happened in FR/LG battling R/S.

Shellos / Gastroden - Definately different forms to suit Kanto / Jhoto.

Unown - What form could it possibly take? Numbers? Weird characters? Full stops? Commas? ... Not really.

Rotom - Not sure. What happens when Platinum battles with Diamond / Pearl? Possible forms: Toilet = Poison, Car = Steel, etc.

Though, probably DPPt will be able to "wifi update" on DSi systems, or maybe a DSi version 2... idk what Nintendo wants to do XD

Also, Think about GSC trading with RBY, there can be "invalid" trade pokemon aswell.

[Fiery Dash]

The thing about the held items is that you are still including new items that can be traded to DPPt. Seeing as DPPt has no information on an item such as the Ice Stone, it wouldn't match up as planned. So, to simply put it, easily placing the Moss Rock and Ice Rock in a set location would be the best route to go. It won't cause confusion and it isn't a hard task to complete either. It is basically doing the samething as holding an item, except there is no item to actually be held and you have to go to only one location for the new evolutions of Eevee to be obtained into the game. However, no one is absolutely sure on how this will turn out, so I can't say exactly if they'll do it like this either.



The reason why I stated after the Elite Four is because it will be after the Elite Four. If you look at recent scans and you view the ones with the PokéDex you will notice the order used and the numbered Pokémon situated within the PokéDex. With this being said, it only stuck to the original 251 Pokémon at first and did not include the newer generations as yet. So, by speculations and details from scans it would be safe to assume that the newer generation Pokémon will not appear until after the National Dex is obtained unlike the originals.
I don't think so, the Griseous Orb in Platinum had no data in Diamond and Pearl, but you can still trade the Pokemon which is attaching the orb. Or they could restrict the Player which item can be brought or not in the Union Room.

Hmm... 251 Pokemon does not mean you can not evolve them into 4th-gen Pokemon. (Example, which is my case) I had Eevee before obtaining the National dex in Diamond, it still evolve into Leafeon. So I think the case will be similar.

[Charmageddon]

Deoxys - Meh. Different form, different stats, same sprite. Happened in FR/LG battling R/S.

Shellos / Gastroden - Definately different forms to suit Kanto / Jhoto.

Unown - What form could it possibly take? Numbers? Weird characters? Full stops? Commas? ... Not really.

Rotom - Not sure. What happens when Platinum battles with Diamond / Pearl? Possible forms: Toilet = Poison, Car = Steel, etc.



Rotom doesn't change type with its forms, it only changes what move it learns (Blizzard for refrigerator, Overheat for microwave, Air Slash for fan etc.)

[Hiiro]

I don't think so, the Griseous Orb in Platinum had no data in Diamond and Pearl, but you can still trade the Pokemon which is attaching the orb. Or they could restrict the Player which item can be brought or not in the Union Room.

Hmm... 251 Pokemon does not mean you can not evolve them into 4th-gen Pokemon. (Example, which is my case) I had Eevee before obtaining the National dex in Diamond, it still evolve into Leafeon. So I think the case will be similar.

The thing about the Griseous Orb in Platinum is that even though Giratina may hold it to change forms, it will go back to your bag. The items itself cannot be traded into Diamond nor Pearl. So with this being said, the Griseous Orb is like a key item so it cannot be traded but only used for switching Giratina's form.

As for the whole Leafeon and Eevee thought, the thing with DPPt is that we are allowed to trade in the Pokémon from any generation into the game. So, the PokéDex is not restricted in these games, but like FRLG I wouldn't be surprised if it is done in which we cannot allow any new generation Pokémon to be accessed until the National Dex itself is obtained. Personally though, just to keep it easier for the games and the player I would rather the Moss Rock and Ice Rock be placed in the fitting location for them. Also, with the Rotom forms, my guess goes that in the Kanto Power plant is where we may have the ability to change its different forms and moves like in Platinum.

[Mr.Silver]

Have you forgotten about Dark cave and Mt.silver?

[beauty. proletariat]

Rotom doesn't change type with its forms, it only changes what move it learns (Blizzard for refrigerator, Overheat for microwave, Air Slash for fan etc.)


Toilet = Poison move, Car = Steel move. Sorry I wast exactly precise, but yeah I didnt mean change type

[Ineffable~]

To be honest, that sucks. I can maybe see the logic in not having New Gen wild pokemon, but why the hell can't I evolve my Magneton or breed my Marill? I agree wholeheartedly with that. It's one of the many things I hated about FRLG. I even think they should have new Pokémon in the wild. I mean, of course, not before the National Dex. Just do it like DPPt. Have the Pokéradar for some Pokémon, some Pokémon in places you can't get to until after your National Dex, some Pokémon that can only be caught with Super Rod (which you should not get until after you've gotten National Dex), and some just... simply only found if you have the National Dex. And, of course, swarms.

Evolutionary chains should never be altered that way.

[Mitchman]

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/0/0e/Shadow_keychains.png
Only Pokemon to get formes it seems is the Pikachu line. Strange if you ask me.

[kellogs]

Possibly another Eevee evolution, a dragon type would be cool to see,but really that's it,the II Gen is fine the way it is.

[Fiery Dash]

The thing about the Griseous Orb in Platinum is that even though Giratina may hold it to change forms, it will go back to your bag. The items itself cannot be traded into Diamond nor Pearl. So with this being said, the Griseous Orb is like a key item so it cannot be traded but only used for switching Giratina's form.

As for the whole Leafeon and Eevee thought, the thing with DPPt is that we are allowed to trade in the Pokémon from any generation into the game. So, the PokéDex is not restricted in these games, but like FRLG I wouldn't be surprised if it is done in which we cannot allow any new generation Pokémon to be accessed until the National Dex itself is obtained. Personally though, just to keep it easier for the games and the player I would rather the Moss Rock and Ice Rock be placed in the fitting location for them. Also, with the Rotom forms, my guess goes that in the Kanto Power plant is where we may have the ability to change its different forms and moves like in Platinum.
Well, so the case would be similar if new items are created, in HG/SS.

I don't know, we'll have to wait for the game to be release!!
Possibly another Eevee evolution, a dragon type would be cool to see,but really that's it,the II Gen is fine the way it is.

No because.
1.) the tradability to Diamond, Pearl And Platinum.
2.) Having new Pokemon in HG/SS will "mess up" the Pokedex number. I'm sure Nintendo/Game Freak wouldn't want to rearrange the Pokedex number.

[Setting_Sun]

Oak said something about "That white rock" being in Kanto, as well. If there isn't another Shaymin in this game, that white rock could lead to a Glacidia Flower (spelling?)

I'm guessing Glaceon and Leafeon won't be in the game, considering Umbreon and Espeon were unobtainable in FR/LG. They don't need to be obtainable. If they were, however, I'm guessing Glaceon would have a stone in the Ice Cave and Leafeon would have something either in Ilex Forest or the remains of Viridian Forest.

Mt. Silver could work for Mt. Coronet evolutions, or Dark Cave/Mt. Mortar if the game designers wanted the evolutions to be obtained sooner. I wholeheartedly hope they don't add Misdreavus to all sorts of areas or Larvitar/Pupitar. They should be Mt. Silver exclusive, as they were in G/S/C.

[Fiery Dash]

I wholeheartedly hope they don't add Misdreavus to all sorts of areas or Larvitar/Pupitar. They should be Mt. Silver exclusive, as they were in G/S/C.
No way, what's the meaning of getting them after you beat the Elite Four.
(Especially for Houndour and Murkrow.) I think some Pokemon have to change their location.

Anyway there are 3 new Pokemon(?)/new formes(?) are reveal, I wonder if they are related to HG/SS? Hope they are not new formes, though. Formes are too overused to me.

[Ellie]

Yeah, the amount of Johto Pokemon is extremely limited as it is... why make some of the only ones available not able to be caught until the game is practically over? I could understand making them very rare/hard to catch if they were available in Dark Cave or something, but Johto should be more Johto instead of "add-on to Kanto" and allow more Johto Pokemon to be available.

And if there's new Pokemon to be caught, they'll have to either be forms or 5th gen unobtainable Pokemon, otherwise they wouldn't be transferrable to DPPt.

[Fiery Dash]

Yeah, the amount of Johto Pokemon is extremely limited as it is... why make some of the only ones available not able to be caught until the game is practically over? I could understand making them very rare/hard to catch if they were available in Dark Cave or something, but Johto should be more Johto instead of "add-on to Kanto" and allow more Johto Pokemon to be available.

And if there's new Pokemon to be caught, they'll have to either be forms or 5th gen unobtainable Pokemon, otherwise they wouldn't be transferrable to DPPt.
Oh yeah, that's what I mean you get the point!!
They're "new Pokemon" afterall, so they should appear in the "new region".

Anyway speaking of "new Pokemon", there's a "new Pikachu" and "new Raichu", The Notched-ear Pichu's evolution. I'm wondering if their base stat are diferent than the normal ones.

[Luigi12895]

I'm assuming that if there are new Eeveelutions, that they will be Flying (Something similar to Shaymin Sky forme), Ghost, and Rock/Ground.

Just making an assumption. Metal Eeveelution is also up there that might be a possibility. I actually can't imagine a fighting/bug typed Eeveelution.

[Ellie]

Probably not different stats, it seems more like just a decoration to me. But it's still possible I suppose.

I don't think they'll put any new Eeveelutions in this game. Maybe if they make a 5th gen game.

[Luigi12895]

Meh. Possibly.

Filllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllerrrrrrrrrrrr

[Andyb4325]

do you think that the shellos will have a new form because in d/p the pokedex entry says they change forms when in different regions...thats why theres a blue and pink one because i guess sinnoh was once to regions. So do you think there will be new forms to them in hg/ss

[charizard_maa]

There has been rumors and such about how there was another sprite of a Shellos found in the back data that was found in DPP. Based on the knowledge then there is a huge chance that there will be a new form for Shellos in HGSS.

[ChronicEdge]

It would be pretty *****in' if there was a purple, sleeker-lookin' one.

Or if it looked really, really fat.

[Ellie]

There has been rumors and such about how there was another sprite of a Shellos found in the back data that was found in DPP. Based on the knowledge then there is a huge chance that there will be a new form for Shellos in HGSS.
If you're talking about the same one I've seen, it's just a beta form. It's almost exactly the same as the pink form currently in DPPt, just slightly different. If they're going to make a new form it's probably very different.

Here's all the forms including the beta, btw : url=http://www.freewebtown.com/mkrp/pokemon/variants.html

If you meant something different than that one, please share.

In any case, I don't think they'll make a different form. Ingame, a character said that Mt. Coronet split Sinnoh and the two Shellos are different on either side... how would that come into play with Johto and Kanto?

[Andyb4325]

In any case, I don't think they'll make a different form. Ingame, a character said that Mt. Coronet split Sinnoh and the two Shellos are different on either side... how would that come into play with Johto and Kanto?[/QUOTE]


because if you catch one in d/p the pokedex entry talks about that it changes forms in a new region. but im just guessing about this

[Hiroshi Sotomura]

Nope, it's merely stated that Shellos has the two different forms in a region. The colours are not formes per se, but rather, they're just different depending on where you saw/caught it. It's just colour variants, really.

[Omer.]

I don't think there'll be new colours of Shellos because Shellos isn't supposed to exist in Kanto and Johto, so there wouldn't be a Shellos to change colour in the game. Even if someone traded a Shellos to Hg/Ss, it wouldn't change colour because it was originally caught from DPPt.

[omega77]

If their caught in Johto/Kanto then they'll probably have different form, but if traded from D/P/Pt then it'll be the same as whatever part of Sinnoh you caught it in.

[Charmandersrule]

And even if you could get a shellos in HGSS and kanto and johto had their own forms and then you traded it to DPP it would probably be like this

Johto = West shellos
Kanto = East shellos

[bobandbill]

Merged the thread on whether Shellos will get another form or not in HG/SS with this pre-existing thread which includes discussion on Pokemon possibly getting alternate forms (or formes - the 'e' makes all the difference, apparently!) in HG/SS.

[Hiiro]

Nope, it's merely stated that Shellos has the two different forms in a region. The colours are not formes per se, but rather, they're just different depending on where you saw/caught it. It's just colour variants, really.

Like said so come. The color of the shellos depends on where it is located along with its shape. So, in East and West of Sinnoh it has two different colors and shapes because it is found in two different areas. The main reason why Shellos was given two forms here is because of Mt. Coronet's long range splitting the region basically in half. So, it is probably that there can be new forms for Shellos in the remakes [if Game Freak sticks to its PokéDex entries, which doesn't always happen].

However, like I said I wouldn't think of it as impossible, but there is a slight chance of it happening and/or not happening. The reason why is because not only of the PokéDex entry, but because a Pokémon does not have to be bounded withinn its specific region. They can be located anywhere and the previous games have proven so. Actually, people say that Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza don't belong in Johto, but yet they are there now. So, saying Shellos or Gastrodon don't belong here is kind of redundant.

Also, here are some of the anime, and DP PokéDex entries I found on Bublapedia:

Anime: Shellos, the Sea Slug Pokémon. Shellos' shape and color varies depending on where it lives, two different varieties have been confirmed in the Sinnoh Region.

Diamond: Its color and shapes differ from region (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Region) to region. In the Sinnoh (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh) region, two types are confirmed.

Pearl: It lives along bodies of water. Its body shape has changed to suit its habitat.

[silvanarrow]

Regarding the Eeveelutions, I could see them finding locations in Johto or Kanto for the ice and moss rocks after you get the National Dex. Maybe a new area will open up in the Ice Cave with the ice rock? And maybe the moss rock could be in the Ilex forest? Sorry if this has been debated already, but I didn't want to go through all the posts.

[Hiiro]

Regarding the Eeveelutions, I could see them finding locations in Johto or Kanto for the ice and moss rocks after you get the National Dex. Maybe a new area will open up in the Ice Cave with the ice rock? And maybe the moss rock could be in the Ilex forest? Sorry if this has been debated already, but I didn't want to go through all the posts.

:D It has been gone through before here, but it is all the worthwhile seeing as though they are new evolutions from the originals. However, the idea you've stated, the Ice Rock being located within Ice Cave and the Moss Rock being situated in Ilex Forest is what many believe may happen. However, if done so, then the rocks may not appear until after the National Dex is obtained in these areas because of how we obtain an Eevee before the National Dex.

Although, there is another chance of having the Ice Rock in Seafoam Islands of Kanto and the Moss Rock in Viridian Forest of Kanto. These are also another two suitable locations for us to obtain Eevee's two new types, Leafeon and Glaceon. The same goes for the topic on Nosepass and Magneton as well, but this has also been discussed on how it may work out. Not to forget the Rotom forms as well.

[ChronicEdge]

Like said so come. The color of the shellos depends on where it is located along with its shape. So, in East and West of Sinnoh it has two different colors and shapes because it is found in two different areas. The main reason why Shellos was given two forms here is because of Mt. Coronet's long range splitting the region basically in half. So, it is probably that there can be new forms for Shellos in the remakes [if Game Freak sticks to its PokéDex entries, which doesn't always happen].

However, like I said I wouldn't think of it as impossible, but there is a slight chance of it happening and/or not happening. The reason why is because not only of the PokéDex entry, but because a Pokémon does not have to be bounded withinn its specific region. They can be located anywhere and the previous games have proven so. Actually, people say that Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza don't belong in Johto, but yet they are there now. So, saying Shellos or Gastrodon don't belong here is kind of redundant.

Also, here are some of the anime, and DP PokéDex entries I found on Bublapedia:

I could see them just screwing us on a technicality by choosing to use the Pearl entry and forgetting that the others exist.

[Ryuzaki_Lawliet]

I love the fact that the alternative forms might really be true? people make things up all the time.

[Omer.]

Maybe Pokemon like Deoxys will be able to be changed in Hg/Ss. As for old Pokemon evolving into new ones, don't hold your breath. You should expect all 493 Pokemon, and you should also expect the Pokemon you used to find in GSC to appear in Hg/Ss. I don't think we'll be finding Gen4 Pokemon in the new games, except for a few legendaries.

[Hiiro]

Maybe Pokemon like Deoxys will be able to be changed in Hg/Ss. As for old Pokemon evolving into new ones, don't hold your breath. You should expect all 493 Pokemon, and you should also expect the Pokemon you used to find in GSC to appear in Hg/Ss. I don't think we'll be finding Gen4 Pokemon in the new games, except for a few legendaries.

New Deoxys forms would be nice to have again, but only if they don't overdue the idea in which the concept of Deoxys is ruined. However, if any new forms were to be made, then more than likely when traded back to DPPt it will revert back into its normal form most; although it is hard to think up what new form can be made for Deoxys next. So, this can work, but again, we'll see what happens.

As for your statement on 4th Generation Pokémon, I wouldn't say that we may not find any within the game. Like you've said there will be the Sinnoh legends we will have a chance to obtain within the game, but I'm certain there may be more opportunities other than this. The reason why is because there are quite a few 2nd Generation Pokémon who have connections with their new 4th Gen evolutions. So, with this being said, we can at least suspect some trainers [after the National Dex is obtained] to have some of the newer generation Pokémon. Not to forget, the Elite Four itself and Gyms in a rematch might as well be given newer Pokémon to update their old rosters too. So, we may just get to see some of the newer Pokémon around later on in the game and possible some 3rd and 4th Generation wild Pokémon too.

As for any new Pokémon entirely, then no. I wouldn't expect this until the newest generation comes out within the next year or two.

[KurlyFries]

If there is a loving, kind God somewhere, then there will be no 4th Gen evolutions in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

I say it's best to keep those foul things where they belong.

[Andyb4325]

i dont think there would be gen 4 pokemon in this one its not a new region its just a remake they didnt add new pokemon in fr and lg..so i dont think they would put new pokemon in this one. Lets get lost together put the entry up and it says there are only two types confirmed in the sinnoh region so its a possiblilty there could be more in different regions.

[Hiiro]

If there is a loving, kind God somewhere, then there will be no 4th Gen evolutions in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

I say it's best to keep those foul things where they belong.

Now, I wouldn't expect any Hoenn or Sinnoh Pokémon to appear within Johto during the main storyline of the game. I only see this happening for at least Hoenn Pokémon more likely over Sinnoh to appear after the National Dex is obtained. However, it would be a given to see at least the Gyms and Elites have a few of the Fourth Generation Pokémon if they allow rematches in the game like what was done in FRLG and Platinum.

i dont think there would be gen 4 pokemon in this one its not a new region its just a remake they didnt add new pokemon in fr and lg..so i dont think they would put new pokemon in this one. Lets get lost together put the entry up and it says there are only two types confirmed in the sinnoh region so its a possiblilty there could be more in different regions.

Yes, the entries I put up on Shellos and Gastrodon, it does say only two have been found. This is one basic reason why I don't think it is impossible to have at least two new forms show up for this line of Pokémon. If, for say at least Deoxys can obtain a new form, then who isn't to say Shellos cannot recieve one nevertheless. So, I haven't shrugged the idea completely off, but I don't have extreme high hopes for it to come either as anything is really possible to happen.

[Bigdog]

If there is a loving, kind God somewhere, then there will be no 4th Gen evolutions in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

I say it's best to keep those foul things where they belong.


I like the concepts of Generation four , but the designs for some really suck , like Bidoof.

Alternate forms are possible,like Shellos, Rotom or Deoxys but new evolutions, wait for Generation 5.

[Andyb4325]

oooo my bad i was talking about gen 5 opps but we were talking about gen 4....yeah i dont think there would be any in there until you beat the game and get the national pokedex

[~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~]

If there is a loving, kind God somewhere, then there will be no 4th Gen evolutions in Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

I say it's best to keep those foul things where they belong.

THANK YOU! SOMEONE THAT AGREES
Well I dont agree with the God thing, but they should just leave the evolutions alone and worry about the 5th generation when it comes to that and most of all they should worry about making a Pre-evolution of Kangaskhan and make it evolve at level 15-30 or by some type parent love (having Kangaskhan in your party while rasing the joey)


:t354:TG

The Moss rock while training near it makes Eevee evolve into a Leafeon instead of making it use a leaf stone to make it evolve, stupid Pokemon and the Ice Rock while training around it makes Eevee evolve into a Glaceon. The question is, if they ever put these rocks in the game, where do you think these rocks will go?

Ice rock can go into the Ice Cave and as for the moss rock, I'm having the slightest clue


:t354:TG

[Fantomix]

Yeah, there's already a thread about this.

[Calvo819]

too late.

on topic, i think Moss Rock will go in the Illex forest or whatever its called

[Darkly the flygon]

I agree with the topic creator. ice rock in the caves. the mossy rock might even be in viridian forest.(assuming kanto is in the game)

[Derozio]

Moss rock will be maybe in ilex forest and ice rock maybe in Ice path.

[xxChazxx]

The icy rock will most-likely be in the Sea Foam Islands, while the mossy rock will be in Viridian Forrest.
Having them before the E4 wouldn't make sense, as Leafeon and Glacion were not in the Johto Dex.


Isn't there a thread about this already?

[Derozio]

Isn't there a thread about this already?

I am sure it was being discussed in the main speculation thread sometime before.

[xxChazxx]

That could be it, as I remember answering this exact question once before.

[Eggie Poo Poo]

I disagree with all of you. It probably won't be in, you will have to trade from D/P/P. They make more money that way.

[Sweet Smoochum]

This could be a similar issue to FrLg. Espeon and Umbreon weren't obtainable in FrLg. You had to trade them to either Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald, evolve it either during the day or at night, and then trade back, because there wasn't day or night in FrLg which is required to evolve these two pokemon. So, the Leafeon/Glaceon issue might be similar. You might have to trade to DPPt, evolve it there, and then trade back. But, who knows? They could have a moss rock or ice rock in this game. If they didn't want to do that, they could do something like in XD gale of darkness. They had 2 items that you could use to evolve Eevee into either Espeon or Umbreon. You had a Moon shard for Umbreon and a Sun Shard for Espeon. Maybe, they could have an Ice Shard or Moss/Grass/Leaf shard to evolve Eevee into Leafeon or Glaceon. That's only if they don't want to add the two rocks to the game. (I just know someone's going to come in here and say "I doubt it." Might as well beat them to it.)

[Allure XI]

This could be a similar issue to FrLg. Espeon and Umbreon weren't obtainable in FrLg. You had to trade them to either Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald, evolve it either during the day or at night, and then trade back, because there wasn't day or night in FrLg which is required to evolve these two pokemon. So, the Leafeon/Glaceon issue might be similar. You might have to trade to DPPt, evolve it there, and then trade back.

I was thinking along the exact same lines as you, Lily. Although the issue with Espeon and Umbreon was a tad more complex (adding in a couple of rocks is a lot easier than overhauling the game completely with a day/night system), it seems likely that they'll take this route. Nintendo/GF likes to keep some Pokemon unattainable in certain versions -- they always have, and they always will. Glaceon/Leafeon seem like a perfect way to encourage HGSS owners to find a friend with DPPt or buy a copy themselves.

[Ayselipera]

Perhaps instead of moving the rocks to Johto they'll put them in Kanto so you won't be able to obtain them until after the national dex while still making it possible to get them in the same game.

[Allure XI]

Perhaps instead of moving the rocks to Johto they'll put them in Kanto so you won't be able to obtain them until after the national dex while still making it possible to get them in the same game.

If the rocks are indeed in the game, this seems most plausible.

[Ryanniny]

The icy rock will most-likely be in the Sea Foam Islands, while the mossy rock will be in Viridian Forrest.
Having them before the E4 wouldn't make sense, as Leafeon and Glacion were not in the Johto Dex.


Isn't there a thread about this already?

this makes sense
but then in DP the rocks were there even though Eevee wasn't in the pokedex
so I personally see them being in Icy path/Ice path/Cave whatever
and Ilex forest

[bobandbill]

There's a thread here which already existed for such discussion (which... you posted in before as well, so it should have been there anyways =/) - hence, merged the two.

[Mr.Silver]

I was thinking along the exact same lines as you, Lily. Although the issue with Espeon and Umbreon was a tad more complex (adding in a couple of rocks is a lot easier than overhauling the game completely with a day/night system), it seems likely that they'll take this route. Nintendo/GF likes to keep some Pokemon unattainable in certain versions -- they always have, and they always will. Glaceon/Leafeon seem like a perfect way to encourage HGSS owners to find a friend with DPPt or buy a copy themselves.
The corprate masterminds.ohh a pikaplushie!Mine!........(Drat they got me)

[TK101]

You know what, mostly every game I've played that's similar to this one would have a big conversation about something like this. But when the game would be released, the creators forgot all about big things like this. For starters, FATE was like this. They recalled the game because of a feature they forgot. So my guess is they forgot all about the evolution and form problems. That, or you'll have to trade.

[RockmanEXE]

Eevee + Moon Stone = Umbreon
Eevee + Sun Stone = Espeon

I find this method easier than raising the Pokemon's happiness.
But it would still have to be Day or Night.

Also, Ho-oh and Lugia are supposedly getting new "abilities"

[Seadiga]

Nosepass/Magneton-Use Mt.silver probobly

Espeon/Umbreon/Glaceon/Leafeon-In XD, you evolved Espeon and Umbreon by having a Sun/Moon shard and giving them high happiness. Glaceon and Leafeon could evolve the same way except with an Ice/Leaf shard or Leaf/Ice stone.

Likitung/Tangela-Ancientpower was a move in the first Silver and Gold right? Problem solved.

[Charmageddon]

Just realised from what somebody said in another thread - the Power Plant seems like the most logical location for Magneton and Nosepass to evolve in, electromagnetic waves and all that.

[dotKarma]

It probably won't be in, you will have to trade from D/P/P. They make more money that way.

This. There's no real point in having them added in, in my opinion. Just trade them over, takes what, a minute or two?

[SwiftSign]

this makes sense
but then in DP the rocks were there even though Eevee wasn't in the pokedex
so I personally see them being in Icy path/Ice path/Cave whatever
and Ilex forest


The problem with having it in Ilex/Ice Path is that Eevee is in the Johto 'Dex and is obtained pretty early on. Glaceon/Leafeon are not in the Johto 'Dex and so would not be able to be evolved in to despite being able to get to the rocks.

Unless these rocks were in 'secret' locations, but that would normally be controlled by HM's or such which you would probably have before the national dex.

So, I'm up for Seafoam islands/Viridian Forest for the Eevees.


P.S 'Gotta Catch 'em all' pretty much sums up Pokémon, between HG and SS most, if not all, of the total Pokes should be catchable.

[Ryanniny]

The problem with having it in Ilex/Ice Path is that Eevee is in the Johto 'Dex and is obtained pretty early on. Glaceon/Leafeon are not in the Johto 'Dex and so would not be able to be evolved in to despite being able to get to the rocks.

Unless these rocks were in 'secret' locations, but that would normally be controlled by HM's or such which you would probably have before the national dex.

So, I'm up for Seafoam islands/Viridian Forest for the Eevees.


P.S 'Gotta Catch 'em all' pretty much sums up Pokémon, between HG and SS most, if not all, of the total Pokes should be catchable.

ah yeah didnt think of that, completely slipped my mind :S
yeah i vote seafoam islands and viridian forest, if not the new area near cianwood city.

[Akiyuki Aretukasu]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but I read something on PokeBeach about Lugia and Ho-oh each having a "hidden ability." I just hope that these aren't more alternate forms (Ho-oh's Heart-forme, Lugia's Soul-forme); then again, I don't think it would bother me too much. If such forms existed, maybe Ho-oh's AF could be a phoenix burning with a firey passion while Lugia's AF could be like a spirit (similar to its appearance in Pokemon Special/Adventures Yellow).