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Electricz
May 19th, 2009, 04:38 AM
What pokemon do you think is the strongest Gen 1 Ledgendary?

Zapdos
Articuno
Moltres
Mewtwo
Mew

btw i am going to make up a poll and the strongest gen 1 pokemon will go onto another thread later on with the strongest pokemon of all of the reigons

WisherWisherWish
May 19th, 2009, 04:54 AM
Mewtwo.
It DOES say it's the strongest Pokemon of them all. Plus, he has a mind of his own.

Electricz
May 19th, 2009, 06:11 AM
i dont like mewtwo but you have to vote for him being the strongest gen 1 ledgendary

Translator
May 19th, 2009, 06:38 AM
It's Mew. Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon. :)

Sweet Jasmine
May 19th, 2009, 06:45 AM
I Could say the Strongest Pokemon is Mew! The Cutest Pokemon Ever~
Hihi *giggles* because it can learn any HM/TM in game.. and in Anime it can use any skills
So it rocks ^_^ Mew Mew Mew >3

-Yasumin >3

El Gofre
May 19th, 2009, 06:53 AM
Mewtwo, bar none. Mew has variety but is outclassed by almost every other uber in terms of strength. He's a great support poke, but that's about it.

Electricz
May 19th, 2009, 07:49 AM
guyz dont forget to vote cuz i need to know what pokemon is the strongest and i cant keep track of the best unless you vote

Ayselipera
May 19th, 2009, 10:42 AM
Mewtwo is the strongest by the fact
that it has the highest stats in the
first generation of pokemon.

KostK2Boss
May 19th, 2009, 12:14 PM
Mewtwo was created solely for battling. It is only natural that it is the strongest. Even now, with equally strong pokemon - such as Groudon, Lugia, Ho-oh etc. - Mewtwo is STILL quite the pokemon!

Barney.
May 19th, 2009, 12:21 PM
In Gen 1 nothing comes close to being as strong as Mewtwo.

Azonic
May 19th, 2009, 12:47 PM
It's definitely Mewtwo. It's stats are enormous. Mew, the only other uber, is very diverse but nothing special in stats. The others are OU -.

ShinjisLover
May 19th, 2009, 03:42 PM
. . . Yeah, I know. . >.> You know the drill! XD

Zapdos
Hp: 90
Attack: 90
Defense: 85
Sp. Attack: 125
Sp. Defense: 90
Speed: 100

Articuno
Hp: 90
Attack: 85
Defense: 100
Sp. Attack: 95
Sp. Defense: 125
Speed: 85

Moltres
Hp: 90
Attack: 100
Defense: 90
Sp. Attack: 125
Sp. Defense: 85
Speed: 90

Mew
Hp: 100
Attack: 100
Defense: 100
Sp. Attack: 100
Sp. Defense: 100
Speed: 100
Mewtwo
Hp: 106
Attack: 110
Defense: 90
Sp. Attack: 154
Sp. Defense: 90
Speed: 130


And, of course, we cannot just make assumptions based on the stats. Typings and movepools are also a factor that should be taken into consideration:

ARTICUNO
Type: Ice/Flying
Gust
Powder Snow
Mist
Ice Shard
Mind Reader
AncientPower
Agility
Ice Beam
Reflect
Roost
Tail Wind
Sheer Cold
Hail

Weak to: Rock, Steel, Fire, Electric
Resistant to: Bug, Grass
Immune to: Ground

ZAPDOS
Type: Electric/Flying
Peck
ThunderShock
Thunder Wave
Detect
Pluck
AncientPower
Charge
Agility
Discharge
Roost
Light Screen
Drill Peck
Thunder
Rain Dance

Weak to: Rock, Ice
Resistant to: Fighting, Flying, Bug, Steel, Grass
Immune to: Ground

MOLTRES
Type: Fire/Flying
Wing Attack
Ember
Fire Spin
Agility
Endure
AncientPower
Flamethrower
Safeguard
Air Slash
Roost
Heat Wave
SolarBeam
Sky Attack
Sunny Day

Weak to: Rock, Water, Electric
Resistant to: Fighting, Bug, Steel, Grass, Fire
Immune to: Ground

MEW
Type: Psychic
Pound
Transform
Mega Punch
Metronome
Psychic
Barrier
AncientPower
Amnesia
Me First
Baton Pass
Nasty Plot
Aura Sphere

Weak to: Bug, Ghost, Dark
Resistant to: Fighting, Psychic
Immune to: None

MEWTWO
Type: Psychic
Confusion
Disable
Barrier
Swift
Future Sight
Psych Up
Miracle Eye
Mist
Psycho Cut
Amnesia
Guard Swap
Power Swap
Psychic
Me First
Recover
Safeguard
Aura Sphere

Weak to: Bug, Ghost, Dark
Resistant to: Fighting, Psychic
Immune to: None


Seems like it's a close one between Mew and Mewtwo. Mewtwo, you would think, would have the upper hand, but, really, its highest stat is its Special Attack and it doesn't learn a lot of special moves. The ones it does learn have their damage halved by Mew's type. Mew, on the other hand, learns Nasty Plot, which it can use to power up AncientPower, a move that is of normal effectiveness against Mewtwo. Mewtwo's moves have very little effect on Mew overall, whereas Mew is able to have a normal effective move against Mewtwo. Both of these beings completely wipe-out the Legendary Birds, so, in conclusion, I think Mew would be the winner. See? Stats aren't everything.

The Hero Without a Name
May 19th, 2009, 03:56 PM
...*raises his eyebrow at Mewtwo*

RAcastBlaster
May 19th, 2009, 04:19 PM
By definition of your poll, Mewtwo wins. It's not an opinion poll but a poll of facts. Moltres and Articuno...suck... but Zapdos is rather good.

Mew is alright, but despite also being in the uber tier, it's nowhere near as strong as Mewtwo, despite the movepool advantage.

JezzaRules
May 19th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Mewtwo by far.
His stats are simply insane in 1st gen.

Zapdos is pretty decent in terms of special attack and speed too.

ShinjisLover
May 19th, 2009, 04:29 PM
Mew is alright, but despite also being in the uber tier, it's nowhere near as strong as Mewtwo, despite the movepool advantage.

Obviously, the movepool advantage is what allows Mew to overpower Mewtwo.

BHwolfgang
May 19th, 2009, 04:31 PM
Mewtwo is a sick Poémon. If one ever had it as his/her Pokémon, he/she would understand how powerful it is.

Lady Gaga
May 19th, 2009, 04:50 PM
should this go in the COlour/Metal Forum?

Sirius
May 19th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Mewtwo.

His stats support it excedingly.

Electricz
May 20th, 2009, 05:29 AM
i should just close this thread cuz mewtwo has already won it hands down

The Scientist
May 20th, 2009, 07:00 AM
Mewtwo. Amnesia boosts Special, which at the time meant Special Attack AND Special Defense.

Also, Psychic-types back then had no real weaknesses: Dark-types hadn't been invented, the only damaging move Ghosts had was Lick (Night Shade doesn't take advantage of weakness), and I'm pretty sure that Bug wasn't strong against them either. Even if it was, their only damaging moves were Leech Life and Twinneedle, and those moves are wielded by half-Poison types.

Even today, Mewtwo's base Special Attack is absurd (154?!), and the Gen IV physical/special split only gave him access to special Shadow Ball and other coverage moves.

tl;dr- Mewtwo is the strongest. /thread

white lancer
May 20th, 2009, 07:12 AM
Obviously, the movepool advantage is what allows Mew to overpower Mewtwo.


Unless, of course, you take TMs into account. Mew can learn more TMs, but Mewtwo has the stats to use his better.

I had to go with Mewtwo...especially with Blizzard in G1, before they nerfed it. 90% accuracy for a 120 power attack=destruction. Practically everything had Blizzard on Pokémon Stadium.

Callandor
May 20th, 2009, 10:31 AM
Ugh. Why must the Fire types suffer? Yeah sure, Mewtwo may be stronger, but I still like Fire types better.

Um...ignore that last part. go mewtwo....whoo -_-

Cassino
May 20th, 2009, 01:16 PM
Mew if you get lucky with Metronome.

...

But yeah, Metronome sucks.

Monochrome
May 20th, 2009, 03:15 PM
Personally I believe Mew is the winner here I mean, it can learn every move and although in the first games that wasn't completely useful but having the perfect moveset is fun.

Conan Edogawa
May 20th, 2009, 03:39 PM
Mew is definitely the strongest legendary period. Mewtwo says it's stronger but it doesn't compare. Mew can learn any tm which is useful in beating Mewtwo. And if you saw the first movie Mewtwo couldn't get a hit on Mew and Mew was just playing around.

Inkfingers
May 20th, 2009, 03:51 PM
I think the power of all three birds could take on mewtwo.

The Scientist
May 20th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Higher stats > learning all TMs.

Mewtwo's Shadow Ball and Dark Pulse will do a lot more damage to Mew than its puny predecessor can deal in return.

What don't y'all get? Do you think Octillery can beat Kyogre? I sure hope not, or else you'll get torn to shreds in the metagame.

JeTz
May 21st, 2009, 03:43 AM
Mewtwo his stat was OMG-ness

Mew is definitely the strongest legendary period. Mewtwo says it's stronger but it doesn't compare. Mew can learn any tm which is useful in beating Mewtwo. And if you saw the first movie Mewtwo couldn't get a hit on Mew and Mew was just playing around.

Anime =\= Game

In game, you couldnt make Mew flee from Mewtwo in games.

Since you said that Mew can learn all TMs. Then I will be considering in Game.

Heiheipig
May 21st, 2009, 04:56 PM
Mewtwo > Mew

Learning all TMs is kind of a novelty thing it helps, but Mewtwo's killer stats would destroy Mew.

Anyone notice the legendary birds are kind of...unpopular?

sanny the hedgehog
May 21st, 2009, 05:10 PM
(never had a mew but it'd be interesting to have one)
MEWTWO HANDS DOWN!
THERE'S NO CONTEST!
(well technically thats not true, its not the pokemon thats the best its the trainer)