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white lancer
June 15th, 2009, 09:01 PM
Which of these two Pokémon with swords for arms do you prefer (not necessarily the stronger one, although if that's how you want to decide it, that's cool)?

Haza
June 15th, 2009, 09:06 PM
I choose Scyther. It can turn intoScizor and thats hot.

crobatdeluxe
June 15th, 2009, 09:08 PM
I like Scyther better. If it evolves, it is better in the long run.

*Nayz*
June 15th, 2009, 09:12 PM
I choose Scyther. It can turn intoScizor and thats hot.


exactly my sentiments. always loved scizor.

Prince of Cats
June 15th, 2009, 09:17 PM
Scyther was one of my favorite Pokemon and I never really like the fossil Pokemon from the first gen, though Kabutops was definitely the better of the two. Still, I think Scyther, outside of rain, would destroy Kabutops, in the games anyways. In the anime, Scyther hands down easily.

zZRaoto
June 15th, 2009, 11:48 PM
Not looking at the actual game mechanics, etc.

I would say Kabutops. His skin is hard as rock and would protect himself from Scyther's blades. Kabutop's blades look a lot more sharp and would easily cut through Scyther's insect-like body. (That is until he evolves into Scizor of course.)

Scyther < Kabutops < Scizor

Limey-chan
June 16th, 2009, 07:29 AM
Though I like them both, I chose Scyther. Nothing to do with evolutions or game mechanics, purely a personal preference.

Frostbiteकर्म
June 16th, 2009, 07:40 AM
I chose Scyther because I think it's just generally better. I'm not including when it evolves either. Although I could just be basing this off the fact I liked Scyther ever since the first gen. And (gasp) I really would prefer it not to evolve into Scizor, even if it gets uber strong. Yup, now people are gonna be after my head.

Metatron
June 16th, 2009, 08:01 AM
Scizor>Kabutops>Scyther.

I'm not sure why, but I've always been a fan of Kabutops.

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE
June 16th, 2009, 08:09 AM
I just think Scyther's really cool, so I had to go with him! :)

RapboY
June 16th, 2009, 10:08 AM
scyther, cuz he's green.. and his design is just better overall.. and i dont like scizor as much as i like scyther..

RUBY8
June 16th, 2009, 10:20 AM
scyther hands down! besides his evolution is awesome!

Ayselipera
June 16th, 2009, 10:28 AM
I like Kabutops better. I think its just because I love Kabuto.

Satoshi Ookami
June 16th, 2009, 10:30 AM
Schyter I never liked 1st gen fossils for some reason

zZRaoto
June 16th, 2009, 10:20 PM
Scizor>Kabutops>Scyther.

I'm not sure why, but I've always been a fan of Kabutops.

Same. That's my exact order of "personal preference" as well. ;o

©ereal Killer
June 16th, 2009, 10:27 PM
Can i vote for both??
This is hard! I love both of em!!

Fire Eagle
June 17th, 2009, 04:17 AM
I would choose Scyther over Kabutops because when Scyther evolves into Scizor, it looks incredibly unstoppable in a match against Kabutops.

Alec_
June 17th, 2009, 06:04 AM
Scyther is really a powerful pokemon. Same as Kabutops. But Kabutops is the last evolution. And Scyther can evolve into Scizor. So if Scyther evolves. It's stats must be pretty improve. So it can pawn Kabutops. But it depends on how they battle and It also depends on what skills are they using.

~Fairytales.

Dante
June 18th, 2009, 12:48 AM
I prefer Scyther as it has much more agility than kabutops. Scyther even looks more aggressive and mean and thus I prefer it over kabutops.

Cherrim
June 18th, 2009, 05:25 AM
My best friend's favourite Pokemon when we were growing up and just getting into the series was Kabutops. It ended up becoming a favourite of mine too, just by association. So Scyther is cool, but Kabutops wins for me. :]

Also I've always thought Scizor looks stupid so for me it honestly goes Kabutops > Scyther >>>>>>>>>>> Scizor

ShinjisLover
June 18th, 2009, 05:56 AM
I like them both, but I'd have to go with Scyther, as long as it doesn't evolve. I hate Scizor. However, in terms of stats, and not including Scizor (since this has absolutely nothing to do with it):

Scyther
HP: 70
Attack: 110
Defense: 80
Sp. Attack: 55
Sp. Defense: 80
Speed: 105

Kabutops
HP: 60
Attack: 115
Defense: 105
Sp. Attack: 65
Sp. Defense: 70
Speed: 80

Obviously, just judging by this, Kabutops has the upper hand. It's attack power is much stronger than Scyther's and Scyther's Defense can't take it, unlike Kabutops's Defense which can easily allow it to take more attacks from Scyther. Neither of their special stats are that good. . But Scyther easily beats Kabutops with Speed.

Now for movesets and typage.

Scyther
Type: Bug/Flying
Weak to: Flying, Rock, Fire, Electric, Ice
Resistant to: Fighting, Bug, Grass
Immune to: Ground

Attacks
Vacuum Wave
Quick Attack
Leer
Focus Energy
Pursuit
False Swipe
Agility
Wing Attack
Fury Cutter
Slash
Razor Wind
Double Team
X-Scissor
Night Slash
Double Hit
Air Slash
Swords Dance
Feint

Kabutops
Type: Rock/Water
Weak to: Fighting, Ground, Grass, Electric
Resistant to: Normal, Flying, Poison, Fire, Ice
Immune to: None

Attacks
Feint
Scratch
Harden
Absorb
Leer
Mud-Shot
Sand Attack
Endure
Aqua Jet
Mega Drain
Slash
Metal Sound
AncientPower
Wring-Out
Night Slash

Taking into consideration each individual expertise, we can clearly see that Kabutops has the upper-hand. Adding to that, Kabutops is resistant to most of Scyther's attacks (not type-wise, stat wise), being only affected by Vacuum Wave. However, Kabutops can easily take out Scyther with AncientPower. Then, you'll have to take into consideration that some of Kabutops's attacks don't do anything to Scyther.

After analyzing all of this, I'd say that, stat-wise, they're at a stale-mate. Neither would win and neither would lose.

So personal preference can take over. I'll vote for Scyther. XD

Slash Beast ∞
June 18th, 2009, 06:00 AM
Oh, I love kabutops. But the real reason this thread was started, is because of the fact that BOTH of them have scythes as arms. So, scyther wins, simply because of the longer scythes.

HOWEVER!

Kabutops, in general, I love with a passion.

poke-ranger
June 18th, 2009, 06:02 AM
I voted Scyther just becuase of general liking, never really liked any fossil pokemon!

KostK2Boss
June 18th, 2009, 06:32 AM
As far as design is concerned, Scyther is No.1: It has the apparatus of an elegant insect king, unlike most Bug pokemon that look clumsy and annoying.
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Kabutops is quite stronger in combat, but still, Scyther evolves into this red-scissors-demon of battles. Scisor is stronger than both of them, mainly because of Silver Wind, which can sometimes cause surprisingly severe damage. Many trainer teams in Pokemon Colloseum and Battle Revolution feature Scisor, so they have to know something.

Snoaz
June 18th, 2009, 06:45 AM
Scyther! Although I hate the sound it makes (it's really quite annoying, it gave me a headache in the anime), I like the design of this Pokemon better than that of Kabutops. Perhaps cause it's fresher, being green. And it's just awesome that it's a bug type, cause mostly they're very weak, but this is the exception. <3 It's evolution is pretty awesome too, of course. Not no mention very fast. And the last reason I like Scyther better is cause both Tracey in the anime and Green in Pokespe (especially that one!) had one, and I can't recall a nice character who had a Kabutops. I just get influenced that way.

Andelc
June 18th, 2009, 06:59 AM
Kabutops is like my second favorite pokemon, it has a really unique? look to it.

Kabutops is rock type too and that's a cool type.

KnilShadowLink
June 18th, 2009, 07:10 AM
Hmm this is a tough one...Scyther vs. Kabutops....I'm going to go with Kabutops. I love Scyther, it's one of the few bug Pokemon I like, but Kabutops is the only fossil (Not Counting Aerodactly) that I like. And about Scizor...it doesn't have an scyths for hands, it's go pincers, so if you wanna choose Scizor go have a poll Scizor vs. Kingler or something.

Deputy
June 18th, 2009, 07:10 AM
Kabutops is my favorite

In a fight (not going by pure gamemechanics) Kabutops will probably win, it's armour should provide more protection to Scyther's attacks than the other way around, not to mention his type advantage.

On the other hand Scyther has ridiculous speed, flight advantage, and it can camouflage itsself amongst grass. Kabutops however can swim and launch attacks from the water, furthermore his reaction speed shouldn't be that much below Scyther's, he should atleast be able to keep track of the bug. I'd say Scyther loses unless they fight in a field with tall grass, where he can fully utilise his speed, flight, and camouflage.

Charmageddon
June 18th, 2009, 08:41 AM
Scyther, he's always been one of my favourites. He's just so damn badass. Kabutops is pretty cool, but I don't like Scizor. Scyther had proper blades, Scizor just has... I'm not sure what they're supposed to be honestly.

Also, Scyther learns False Swipe, a really useful move in-game.

Ecks-Dee
June 18th, 2009, 08:55 AM
It's definitely Scyther for me. I think it's one wicked pokemon!

Timbjerr
June 18th, 2009, 09:09 AM
It's easily Kabutops between those two for me, but like, most people have said here, when you throw Scizor into the equation, everything changes...

Artonkn
June 18th, 2009, 09:10 AM
I voted scyther, cus he evolves into one of my faves Scizor

JustinDestruction
June 18th, 2009, 09:18 AM
I think Scyther is cooler. I did always think both were pretty cool, but overall I think Scyther looks better.

XxDawnfanxX
June 18th, 2009, 09:38 AM
Both are very good, and powerful pokemon. They also rely on their sharp claws they posses on each arm. I went with Scyther because of its speed and it can also do a majoirty of bug/grass moves.

Anxiety.
June 18th, 2009, 10:06 AM
Scyther
I'm not sure why. But, I just prefer it.
Scyther is hawt <3

And, when I was little when I always thought Scyther was some sort of special Pokemon 'cause I could never find one. I was stupid back then, but that's probably why I still prefer him now.

BabyDoll
June 18th, 2009, 10:09 AM
Ever since my first Pokemon game, I have always been a fan of Kabutops. True, it takes a while to get him but it's soooooooo worth it. I can't recall ever having much love for Scyther.

Opposite Day
June 18th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Scyther, he's always been one of my favourites. He's just so damn badass. Kabutops is pretty cool, but I don't like Scizor. Scyther had proper blades, Scizor just has... I'm not sure what they're supposed to be honestly.

Also, Scyther learns False Swipe, a really useful move in-game.

I'm pretty darn sure they're supposed to be scissors.

Let's run some damage calcs, just for the fun of it, shall we?

In normal weather, Scyther is faster than Kabutops.
Say that it is an Adamant nature with max Attack evs, not boosting its stats, nor holding an item, and it's using its strongest attack vs a SD Kabutops; Brick Break.

350 Atk vs 246 Def & 279 HP (75 Base Power): (55.20% - 65.23%)

W/ Life Orb:
350 Atk vs 246 Def & 279 HP (75 Base Power): (71.68% - 84.59%)

And say that it's using Swords Dance as well.
700 Atk vs 246 Def & 279 HP (75 Base Power): (142.65% - 168.46%)

However, SD requires a turn to set up, and that allows the slower Kabutops to strike.
Say that it's Adamant natured, max attack evs, an not boosting it's stats nor using an item, Stone Edge goes like this:
361 Atk vs 196 Def & 281 HP (100 Base Power): (281.85% - 333.10%)

W/ Life Orb:
361 Atk vs 196 Def & 281 HP (100 Base Power): (364.41% - 431.32%)

And finally for overkill, add SD:
722 Atk vs 196 Def & 281 HP (100 Base Power): (731.67% - 862.63%)

In Rain, Scyther's speed is rather obsolete, since Kabutops'll be faster anyways.

Also, moves such as Silver Wind and Ancientpower are rather useless on Scyther/Scizor and Kabutops, due to the fact that by the time of D/P/Pt, those moves are based on their base 55 and 65 Special Attack, respectively.

However, it is fun noting that Kabutops will OHKO Scyther with Ancientpower 46.15% of the time, even w/ a Life orb and a hindering nature:
149 Atk vs 196 Def & 281 HP (60 Base Power): (93.95% - 111.03%)

Finally, Stealth Rock strips off 50% of Scythers health upon entry, so that might be the bane of the bug.

Me? I love Kabutops ^^

Superjub
June 18th, 2009, 10:45 AM
I actually prefer Kabuto to Kabutops, mainly because Kabuto is cute. :3 (Dont ask >_>) Though, I do like Scyther, and Scizor. I dont really like Kabutops. :\ It's design just didn't really appeal to me. :(

Andelc
June 18th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Kabutops would lose in the tcg cause its grass.
You guys probly don't care about the tcg though:(

anyways Kabutops can also learn awsomer moves than scyther.

Turke
June 26th, 2009, 04:31 PM
I choose scyther, I don't really like kabutops at all though...

Giraffes? Giraffes!
June 26th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Kabutops, he looks much cooler then that stupid whole Scyther, But if scyther evolved then Kabutop is done :P

engage'
June 26th, 2009, 11:22 PM
Kabutops, if we're looking at this battle-wise.
Swift Swim Kabutops with Rain Dance and Swords Dance = [/win]

CrazyCubone
June 27th, 2009, 09:50 AM
Gah, the topic had to be between two of my favourite Pokémon. I actually can't decide, because they are both great in my opinion. I don't like Scizor though. *is shot*

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~
June 27th, 2009, 02:31 PM
This is so random, and I'll have to go with Kabutops because I like Kabu more than Scyther


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