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Archer
June 30th, 2009, 12:45 AM
Firefox has confirmed that they will release the next version of their highly successful browser on June 30th, to meet their promised deadline of "the end of June".

I've been using the Beta versions since not long after 3.0 was released and have been incredibly pleased with the progress made. I suggest that you all try it out when it's released. If you aren't a Firefox user, now's a great time to give it a go. xD

This should be released over the next 24 hrs if Mozilla was implying a US date.

Source: Webmonkey (http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Firefox_3DOT5_Will_Arrive_Tuesday__June_30)

.Seth
June 30th, 2009, 02:13 AM
Oh goodie! I've been dying to know when FF3.5 was being released! Thanks for informing me.

Hmm, http://www.mozilla.com doesn't have any notices other than the 3.5 RC is available for use. :\

I assume it will be released sometime today though. I'm definitely looking forward to this.

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 03:04 AM
Wow, people still think Firefox is relevant? lol

Archer
June 30th, 2009, 04:50 AM
Wow, people still think Firefox is relevant? lol
I expected something like that. What can you possibly use that is so great that it makes Firefox look useless? If you say Safari for Windows, I will laugh, prior to crying.

Zet
June 30th, 2009, 04:56 AM
I dunno, Safari 4 on windows seems pretty good so far scratch that, it still can't handle css well, but cloud.CONNECTED uses Safari 4 on her OSX

Cherrim
June 30th, 2009, 05:10 AM
Opera sucks now (and I wouldn't support them after their whining about Microsoft bundling IE in their OS in Europe). IE is a joke. Safari for Windows is just lol why would you even do this. And I just don't like Chrome. :( Besides I'd miss my Livejournal addon so hard without Firefox. So yeah, it's still relevant.

Yuoaman
June 30th, 2009, 06:34 AM
I believe it is still relevant. I much prefer Firefox over any other browser I've every used, and the add-ons just make is so much more... awesome.

And I'll probably update today XD I'm still on 3.0.11 O_o

Zanny77
June 30th, 2009, 06:43 AM
I like Firefox, but not like a like like. It's my fav web browser, but I don't drool everytime they talk about a new release. :\

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 06:53 AM
Safari on Windows = Acid Test 100%. And it's a DX10 Accelerated Browser :D What more could you want?
Chrome is okay, I guess, too.

and Opera are fighting to make sure people won't have IE as the default choice; they'll be able to choose Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, whatever. Sounds pretty noble to me~

Gerri Shin
June 30th, 2009, 07:24 AM
I'll give it a try, at the very least it will make a decent back up browser.

.little monster
June 30th, 2009, 07:51 AM
I just got it, it's fine. :/ Not all too different.

Cherrim
June 30th, 2009, 09:11 AM
Safari on Windows = Acid Test 100%. And it's a DX10 Accelerated Browser :D What more could you want?
Chrome is okay, I guess, too.

and Opera are fighting to make sure people won't have IE as the default choice; they'll be able to choose Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, whatever. Sounds pretty noble to me~
Yeah but unless they fix the font rendering, I can't stand to use it. I know you can choose to render with Cleartype in Safari 4 but last I used it, it didn't work on some sites and just reverted back to Mac smoothing which looks ridiculous in native Windows. But yeah Safari has never, ever clicked with me.

:( Are they doing that for OSX too? When they start harrassing Apple to not include Safari with their product, then maybe I'll pay attention again.

Soul Eater
June 30th, 2009, 09:13 AM
wtf?! Firefox comes out with an update almost more than a month. D: I love firefox but... I hardly update it. I just let it update it forcefully when it restarts. XD

I'll probably get it though. I've used Firefox for five years now. :'D

GKS
June 30th, 2009, 09:14 AM
Firefox and Chrome are my favorite browsers. Of the two, I would say Firefox is better, even though right now, I'm using Chrome.

twocows
June 30th, 2009, 09:16 AM
Safari on Windows = Acid Test 100%. And it's a DX10 Accelerated Browser :D What more could you want?
Chrome is okay, I guess, too.

and Opera are fighting to make sure people won't have IE as the default choice; they'll be able to choose Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari, whatever. Sounds pretty noble to me~
Adblock Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865). Video Downloadhelper (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006). Firebug (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843). DownloadThemAll (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/201). SkipScreen (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11243).

Also, the Acid3 test mainly tests JavaScript and DOM compliance. The reason Firefox hasn't scored 100 on it yet is that the team has been focusing on speed and stability over making minor bugfixes (though it's now getting close; the RC scores 93/100).

Who's updated yet? I've got the steps to update to FF 3.5.
Fixed for accuracy.

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 09:17 AM
Yeah but unless they fix the font rendering, I can't stand to use it. I know you can choose to render with Cleartype in Safari 4 but last I used it, it didn't work on some sites and just reverted back to Mac smoothing which looks ridiculous in native Windows. But yeah Safari has never, ever clicked with me.

:( Are they doing that for OSX too? When they start harrassing Apple to not include Safari with their product, then maybe I'll pay attention again.
Safari 4 on Windows 7 which I've been using on my notebook seems to use Windows Native rendering 100% of the time :3

well, I think the difference here is that Safari != Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is the chief reason for much of the malware in Windows Environments. Safari is rather much more secure. I think it's a matter of not lumping users with the worlds worst web browser as a DEFAULT, imo But more than that, Apple doesn't have a monopoly on desktop OS market share. I think Opera's problem is using an existing monopoly to further push another one. And they're not saying "Use our browser"; they're saying "Stop giving users no choice in having the one you provide".

Adblock Plus (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865). Video Downloadhelper (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006). Firebug (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843). DownloadThemAll (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/201). SkipScreen (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/11243).

Also, the Acid3 test mainly tests JavaScript and DOM compliance. The reason Firefox hasn't scored 100 on it yet is that the team has been focusing on speed and stability over making minor bugfixes (though it's now getting close; the RC scores 93/100).
Adblock exists for both Chrome and Safari; and the Safari Component actually uses the Adblock Plus filter lists. All the others you list are much of a muchness; especially DowntheMall which many server administrators despise for being aggressive. And blah blah blah, excuses excuses. If you can't adhere to web standards, don't make a web browser. Pretty simple. If you can't get 100/100 on Acid3, STOP PROMOTING YOUR NON-COMPLIANT BROWSER.

Cherrim
June 30th, 2009, 09:26 AM
:( I have screencaps somewhere of it failing at rendering font properly on twitter (and yet it rendered fine on every other page I was visiting) and I think after that day I just stopped bothering with it because I see no benefit to using it.

Guess this is where we see differently. I think if they're doing it to one company, they should do it to another. So what if MS's product isn't the greatest? It's still their product however sub-par and if they want to bundle it into the OS they developed, they can do that imo.

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 09:30 AM
:( I have screencaps somewhere of it failing at rendering font properly on twitter (and yet it rendered fine on every other page I was visiting) and I think after that day I just stopped bothering with it because I see no benefit to using it.

Guess this is where we see differently. I think if they're doing it to one company, they should do it to another. So what if MS's product isn't the greatest? It's still their product however sub-par and if they want to bundle it into the OS they developed, they can do that imo.
Was it Safari 4, Final? I've been using it for everything I browse on my notebook, including Twitter ;3 And my eyes are pretty accustomed to Mac font rendering so I'd definitely spot it if suddenly there was gorgeous Mac rendering on my Windows machine in one App :D

But again, one monopoly to launch another. The EU is very strict on monopolies being used to further reach; thats why there's the WMP-less versions of XP for sale there. All Opera are doing is saying "If you're going to remove WMP, not not remove IE?"

Cherrim
June 30th, 2009, 09:32 AM
I don't even know. I assume not because I don't remember explicitly downloading the final version and I didn't touch it since haha. Regardless! It's still missing my LJ addon so it couldn't be my main browser. :'(

lol too lazy for size tags and this is an argument for a thread that's already kinda dead anyway so I'mma drop it.

Benadryl
June 30th, 2009, 09:47 AM
Firefox has always been horribly unstable for me in the past, and the add-ons equally pointless. I'm going to try it out for a little while, but I doubt it'll be any better for me. I'll likely end up sticking with IE8 and Safari (4?) with the occasional use of Opera (9?). Firefox has never impressed me and just seems like more hype than browser.

twocows
June 30th, 2009, 09:57 AM
Adblock exists for both Chrome and Safari; and the Safari Component actually uses the Adblock Plus filter lists. All the others you list are much of a muchness; especially DowntheMall which many server administrators despise for being aggressive. And blah blah blah, excuses excuses. If you can't adhere to web standards, don't make a web browser. Pretty simple. If you can't get 100/100 on Acid3, STOP PROMOTING YOUR NON-COMPLIANT BROWSER.
No browser is completely compliant with every existing web standard, certainly not Safari. Acid3 is just a small set of tests (many of which were written specifically to break Firefox) that are meant to measure compliance with some standards. It's definitely not a de-facto tool to judge whether a browser is or is not standards compliant.

Regardless, I disagree with the very idea of the Acid3 test; finding a few ways a browser mistakenly implements a standard means next to nothing, especially when the developers start fixing that small subset of bugs you've found (instead of fixing larger problems relating to the standard in question). I have more respect for browser developers, like Firefox's and Konqueror's, who aren't focusing specifically on fixing the bugs found in Acid3; than for those teams who have been scrambling to fix Acid3 bugs so they can market their browser to anyone who's heard of the test (and, in turn, anyone they market it to).

And those administrators shouldn't complain about DTA's aggressiveness if they aren't providing a similar functionality on their sites. If I'm forced to go out and grab an addon for a functionality your site should already have, you've no right to complain about it being too aggressive.

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 10:04 AM
>many of which were written specifically to break Firefox

Stopped reading.

.little monster
June 30th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Bugs maybe?

When I got it I realized, I cannot right click on images and get a list of options. Nothing appears. D:<

Also..

We all know Mozilla has a built in spell check, well, when I spell a word wrong (I.E. word as wrod.) I cannot get a list of options when I right click, nothing at all happens when I right click.

However for other things in the browser right-clicking works perfectly fine. :|

And no, this isn't a "PLEASE HELP ME" post, it's just a post saying that there may be some..not-very-pleasing bugs.

Rukario
June 30th, 2009, 11:45 AM
no FireFox 3.5 update (yet) for me.. as I need for the firebug plugin to be updated first before I make my move. Once its been updated I see no reasons not to up to the latest ver.

all this standards hype is just that - hype. True one day it'll make sense, but right now, no.. not until M$ crap code is purged from the web and websites use PROPER, compliant HTML markup.

twocows
June 30th, 2009, 12:09 PM
>many of which were written specifically to break Firefox

Stopped reading.
http://acid3.acidtests.org/competition/
Uh huh.

EDIT: Acidtests site is down right now. Here's the relevant text:
The test must fail (throw an exception) in either a Firefox trunk build from January 2008 or a Webkit trunk build from January 2008 (or, ideally, both).IIRC, the contest block consisted of 20% of the test, and many of the tests that were accepted into it were written specifically to break Firefox. Admittedly, others were written specifically to break Safari/Webkit, but that wasn't my point. The point was that Acid3 is a handful of tests that some developers rushed to fix to make their browser look better. If you want an analogy, Firefox is actually learning the test material, while the other children are memorizing answers.

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 12:13 PM
http://acid3.acidtests.org/competition/
Uh huh.

EDIT: Acidtests site is down right now. Here's the relevant text:
Doesn't seem to be any context to what you said. Also the presence of Webkit in that sentence nullifies anything you have to say about "only there to break firefox". Thanks for playing!

Amachi
June 30th, 2009, 12:30 PM
no FireFox 3.5 update (yet) for me.. as I need for the firebug plugin to be updated first before I make my move. Once its been updated I see no reasons not to up to the latest ver.

all this standards hype is just that - hype. True one day it'll make sense, but right now, no.. not until M$ crap code is purged from the web and websites use PROPER, compliant HTML markup.

It has been updated, it'll update as soon as you install it.

Anyway, I like it. It's fast, all my extensions work, familiar browser experience, it's not Opera or Safari, etc etc.

Rukario
June 30th, 2009, 12:54 PM
firebug is updated? hmm k i'll up to ff3.5 then

edit: no major issues with updating yet.. time will tell the whole story

edit 2: OK looks like some .png rendering issues have cropped up.. the color's are not the same.. hopefully they'll fix it. example: the header in PC's midnight misty theme no longer matches. (fixed)

Gumball Watterson
June 30th, 2009, 02:22 PM
Meh, it sounds good. I'll probably switch to it when I go back home. I'm in an LO. ;_;

.little monster
June 30th, 2009, 04:32 PM
Argh! You really take right-clicking grantid (I know that is spelled wrong but thanks to Mozilla I can't fix it! D:<) Almost nothing works when that involves right clicking. Only things that aren't part of the webpage (URL bar, tab toolbar..) I can't paste, I can't copy..I have to use the ctrl+c shortcut for copying and v for pasting. :| I cant save images in PNG, I have to drag-and-drop in which they end up in JPEG format, or print-screen then cut it out so I can save it as PNG. :| It really is more annoying than it sounds. Die Firefox 3.5! Better get fixed soon! And if they did this on purpose, screw FireFox, I am going to Chrome.

Amachi
June 30th, 2009, 04:45 PM
Argh! You really take right-clicking grantid (I know that is spelled wrong but thanks to Mozilla I can't fix it! D:<) Almost nothing works when that involves right clicking. Only things that aren't part of the webpage (URL bar, tab toolbar..) I can't paste, I can't copy..I have to use the ctrl+c shortcut for copying and v for pasting. :| I cant save images in PNG, I have to drag-and-drop in which they end up in JPEG format, or print-screen then cut it out so I can save it as PNG. :| It really is more annoying than it sounds. Die Firefox 3.5! Better get fixed soon! And if they did this on purpose, screw FireFox, I am going to Chrome.

What? That makes no sense. Right-click works fine for me, and you shouldn't need spell-check for a word like "granted."

Maybe your mouse is just broken dude :P

.little monster
June 30th, 2009, 04:53 PM
What? That makes no sense. Right-click works fine for me, and you shouldn't need spell-check for a word like "granted."

Maybe your mouse is just broken dude :P
Hey, don't yell at me (I know you're not, really.) English is my worst language (and first.) It's kind of strange for me, I have perfect spelling in every language I am learning, even words I have just heard once and never seen spelled, but for some reason I just have problems in English. O.o;

Like I said in the quote though, right-clicking works everywhere else except on webpages. All webpages for instance. I can't do it on Youtube, Google, PC, Serebii, ICHC, you name it. It all started as soon as I got 3.5 too. I will re-install. :| Firefox, you sneaky..fox. LOL SEE WHAT I DID THERE? It was fail, right? D:

Amachi
June 30th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Hey, don't yell at me (I know you're not, really.) English is my worst language (and first.) It's kind of strange for me, I have perfect spelling in every language I am learning, even words I have just heard once and never seen spelled, but for some reason I just have problems in English. O.o;

Like I said in the quote though, right-clicking works everywhere else except on webpages. All webpages for instance. I can't do it on Youtube, Google, PC, Serebii, ICHC, you name it. It all started as soon as I got 3.5 too. I will re-install. :| Firefox, you sneaky..fox. LOL SEE WHAT I DID THERE? It was fail, right? D:
hahaha, well English is a ridiculous language.

Um, well then chances are it's one of your add-ons. Start Firefox in safe mode and check that way. This thread (http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=372866&forumId=1) on the Mozilla forums should help.

.little monster
June 30th, 2009, 05:10 PM
I have no add-ons. Everything is default. But after 3 (:|) reinstalls, everything works. :3~

Archer
June 30th, 2009, 05:30 PM
It looks like you're the only one with this particular problem, but it's worth noting that Serebii has disabled right-clicking on their web pages. It's always been like this.

For the record, guys, if there's any add-ons that haven't been updated, you can always try using Nightly Tester Tools, an addon which allows you to force Firefox to use another addon with a lower supported version number; ie. Lets you use old addons.

Actually, with regards to the Opera thing, I can see where you're coming from, cloud.CONNECTED. They're trying to give everyone an equal share in the market, which is noble. The problem here, is that I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to bundle their own browser with their own operating system. I realise that it's a pathetic browser, but it's part of the software suite that the user is paying for. You don't see anyone complaining that Microsoft includes Notepad with Windows when there are much better options out there. At the end of the day, the better approach would just be to encourage users to look around for other alternatives.

.little monster
June 30th, 2009, 05:55 PM
It looks like you're the only one with this particular problem, but it's worth noting that Serebii has disabled right-clicking on their web pages. It's always been like this.
Serebii as in Serebiiforums. :| See what assuming did for you? Assuming must not like you. ;~;

And don't go "Well you said Serebii!" You know why? Because I thought people would have enough sense to realize "Well he said Serebii, but he also said it only started when 3.5 was downloaded (which came out today.) So it must be SPPF not SPP.

But yeah, oh joy, the problem is back. Must be something with my computer, maybe a virus? Psh, oh well I could care less, I am getting a new one in a few days and I have no sensitive information on my computer except for an old debit card number (I got a new one, expiration date passed.) Besides my problem, there are no real problems for me. Although, I do not see a real difference between 3.5 and the earlier one, however I do understand that this one has a built in video player so you don't have to get Adobe Flash, if I do recall currectly. I might have read wrong. :| Now I have to look up how to fix the "Farsi/Arabic/etc letters not connecting" problem. Which if I do understand is quite common and easily fixable. Oh well, I recommend it.

Bianca Paragon
June 30th, 2009, 09:10 PM
It looks like you're the only one with this particular problem, but it's worth noting that Serebii has disabled right-clicking on their web pages. It's always been like this.

For the record, guys, if there's any add-ons that haven't been updated, you can always try using Nightly Tester Tools, an addon which allows you to force Firefox to use another addon with a lower supported version number; ie. Lets you use old addons.

Actually, with regards to the Opera thing, I can see where you're coming from, cloud.CONNECTED. They're trying to give everyone an equal share in the market, which is noble. The problem here, is that I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to bundle their own browser with their own operating system. I realise that it's a pathetic browser, but it's part of the software suite that the user is paying for. You don't see anyone complaining that Microsoft includes Notepad with Windows when there are much better options out there. At the end of the day, the better approach would just be to encourage users to look around for other alternatives.
Imagine the ♥♥♥♥storm that would ensure from say..OpenOffice.org if Windows shipped with Microsoft Office by default? :)

Zet
June 30th, 2009, 10:14 PM
Imagine the ♥♥♥♥storm that would ensure from say..OpenOffice.org if Windows shipped with Microsoft Office by default? :)
I think OpenOffice.org would have some balls and man up. Apple should also be included in this law suit that's happening. Don't want to force people to use safari by default ;3

I also noticed that there's no themes for 3.5 D: and I really can't be bothered using persona since it usually fails for using the persona theme for me

Halcyon
June 30th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Gee... I can't use my AVG add-on, ScrapBook add-on and the FoxKeh Theme anymore... :\
But, oh well... *updates Firefox*

Themes will be disabled until Firefox 3.5 determines that either a) they are compatible with the Firefox 3.5 release or b) there are newer versions available that are compatible.

^Aww... I guess no themes for now.

Kylie-chan
June 30th, 2009, 11:23 PM
It looks like you're the only one with this particular problem, but it's worth noting that Serebii has disabled right-clicking on their web pages. It's always been like this.

It's also hilariously easy to disable this in Firefox and Opera. :D (Don't know about Safari or Chrome, and screw IE.)

I'm also super-super-lazy about updates (I'd rather click Ask me later than Yes, though) and hesitant to update stuff generally, so I'll probably keep running Firefox 3.0.11 for ages. :x

I don't see any real pressing issue with IE being bundled with Windows, personally, but I definitely agree that the initiative to have a choice presented instead of monopolising the market (and, I might add, therefore hindering web development because of IE's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ compliance ((yes, I use Firefox so I can't really complain, but whatever))) is a huge step forward~~ Having multiple browsers bundled with Windows might actually confuse new computer owners (I guess .-. 'WHICH ONE DO I PICK??!') but would be a huge help to the market and a progressive move. I don't see IE as part of what I pay for when I install a Windows OS on any of my systems. It's something that is forced on me, and worst of all, I cannot actually get rid of due to a number of other application's semi-reliance on IE. If more browsers were distributed with Windows, I really feel a lot of emphasis would be taken off IE, which is probably bad for Microsoft, but it's great for everyone else—it will encourage compatibility barriers to fall and also promote a market that needs to continue to develop healthily. This is probably pretty incoherent. *yawn*

Archer
June 30th, 2009, 11:30 PM
Imagine the ♥♥♥♥storm that would ensure from say..OpenOffice.org if Windows shipped with Microsoft Office by default? :)

I think OpenOffice.org would have some balls and man up. Apple should also be included in this law suit that's happening. Don't want to force people to use safari by default ;3

I also noticed that there's no themes for 3.5 D: and I really can't be bothered using persona since it usually fails for using the persona theme for me

Aside from the price hike if they did add it, I think you'll find OpenOffice is just provided as a free alternative. Sun Microsystems only makes money from offering support, which is usually taken up by businesses that either choose to run the product or run Linux/Solaris.

Considering the amount of Market share Office already has, it wouldn't make much of a difference if it was included.

I don't know why this has turned into a IE debate, but it's worth noting that you'll get your computer-illiterate people that want to be able to click "the big picture of the E with Internet Something underneath it" and have "the internets". These people wouldn't have a clue how to choose between browsers and if they did, they'd almost undoubted pick IE8 because it has Microsoft and Internet in it's name. There will be people like this. At the end of the day, they're probably left with IE, where everything looks the same and they won't get confused. Whereas people like us can just download our browser of choice and never look back.

At the end of the day, competition creates progress from all the parties involved, trying to outdo each other and ultimately providing more competitive products.

Mitchman
July 1st, 2009, 03:18 AM
Omg this thing is awesome! I am using it for quite sometime now and I must say its fast its reliable and hey its not freezing as much on my PC.

twocows
July 1st, 2009, 09:07 AM
Aside from the price hike if they did add it, I think you'll find OpenOffice is just provided as a free alternative. Sun Microsystems only makes money from offering support, which is usually taken up by businesses that either choose to run the product or run Linux/Solaris.

And from convincing people to switch to their slightly better StarOffice (http://www.sun.com/software/staroffice/index.jsp), which costs money.

Considering the amount of Market share Office already has, it wouldn't make much of a difference if it was included.Maybe a better comparison would be what Microsoft is poised to be able to do: include competitive anti-virus software in their OS. Their new "Microsoft Security Essentials" is currently besting Norton in some tests; if they included it in their OS, it could severely hinder competition. The argument is that this is an abuse of their position as an OS vendor to gain market share in different competitive fields.

*Nayz*
July 2nd, 2009, 09:55 PM
When I first got the update the browser froze a lot. It was beginning to get a little ridiculous.

Mitchman
July 4th, 2009, 11:35 PM
When I first got the update the browser froze a lot. It was beginning to get a little ridiculous.
Ha for me it stopped freezing like hell. Only instances were for PC with the maintanence.

Katsurou
July 5th, 2009, 02:00 AM
I've gotta update my Firefox now. It seems to fix a problem with Javascript on some sites.

Citrinin
July 5th, 2009, 11:32 PM
I updated my Firefox a few days ago. There are a few nice features/interface upgrades, but the first thing I noticed was that my Tab Mix Plus and Firebug extensions stopped working (although, the latter has since been fixed).