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July 8th, 2009, 06:56 AM
I didn't really want to start a new thread for this... But I feel it's out of place in the Problem and Chit Chat threads. I'm really sick at the moment, throat is in agony simply to swallow and my eyes are watering and extremely bloodshot. I look like a turning infected from 28 Days Later, no exaggeration at all. The stems have even reached to my iris and split around it. Appears to be some sort of Viral infection but I can safely tell you that I am in agony and the little 2-3 hours sleep I normally obtain has been lost completely. I haven't slept in days. Does anyone have any idea to what is plaguing my body to make me suffer?

Before anyone spouts "Go to a doctor, stop wasting our time." I have my reasons for doing this, another factor on top of the fact that I hate doctors. Also, I don't take tablets. Paracetamol ect, I avoid as much as possible, so please don't suggest them. I'm already taking Strepsils for my throat but if anyone has any old remedies that they think might help my throat, head, or make me drowzy enough to sleep and relieve me of this absolutely agonizing pain if only for a short time I will be... indescribably grateful.

I normally never stoop this low to get advice but its come to the point where I simply can't ignore it anymore, my body simply aches too much. Also, please take this seriously. This isn't a cry for help, or attention, I'm simply asking for a mature person to give their opinion and maybe help remedy this or at least aid me to relieve the pain.

.Seth
July 8th, 2009, 07:05 AM
I don't know of any "old remedies", but I'll look up your symptoms and see what comes up.

Insomnia, Sore throat and bloodshot eyes?
Judging by a little googling and a few minutes of reading things, I've come to the conclusion that it could be: Vitamin B2 Deficiency.
Please note that I am no doctor, medical employee, and I am in no way an official source for any medical information. This is just my guess, please do not take it too seriously.

If you want more info on B2 Deficiency, google it. It lists those as symptoms.

Cherrim
July 8th, 2009, 07:22 AM
...I really, reallly wanna tell you to just suck it up and go to a doctor. Hate 'em all you want but they're there to help. If you can't/won't swallow pills, they can give other methods. Alternatively you could see if your pharmacist can suggest anything but you should probably get a proper diagnosis.

That aside, what's best right now is probably rest so I'd concentrate on just trying to get some sleep. Make sure you're in a (preferably dark) room with no distractions, no noises, etc. Try having a warm drink like hot chocolate or tea before you try to sleep. Cut out caffeine completely for the next little while. You should go to a doctor to ask for look up some sleeping tips in general since it sounds like your sleep habits aren't that great to begin with and this is only making it worse. :(

Remember, even if it doesn't *feel* like you're getting any rest, you are and that's still probably a lot better than being on the computer where your mind is actively taking in information the whole time. Sign off and read a book or something instead.

Corvus of the Black Night
July 8th, 2009, 07:33 AM
Well, if you can't see a doctor, there's really not much you can do. It IS a viral infection, meaning antibiotics are useless and they probably tell you the exact same thing - a waste of time and money. Wade it out, even though it's horrible, but if you start to get very high fevers, have difficulty breathing or anything else life threatening go right to a hospital. They won't be able to cure the illness but they're prevent you from getting worse.

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July 8th, 2009, 07:41 AM
I don't know of any "old remedies", but I'll look up your symptoms and see what comes up.

Insomnia, Sore throat and bloodshot eyes?
Judging by a little googling and a few minutes of reading things, I've come to the conclusion that it could be: Vitamin B2 Deficiency.
Please note that I am no doctor, medical employee, and I am in no way an official source for any medical information. This is just my guess, please do not take it too seriously.

If you want more info on B2 Deficiency, google it. It lists those as symptoms.

Thanks, I looked it up but it's not the culprit it seems. The food that the vitamin is found in, such as apples and vegetables, I eat as part of my normal diet so it couldn't be that. Plus some of the deficiency signals such as cracked lips ect I don't have. I really appreciate you trying though, thanks.

...I really, reallly wanna tell you to just suck it up and go to a doctor. Hate 'em all you want but they're there to help. If you can't/won't swallow pills, they can give other methods. Alternatively you could see if your pharmacist can suggest anything but you should probably get a proper diagnosis.

I obviously know this, it's the first thing that comes to anyone's head when they're sick but like I said, I have my reasons. I'm not being a stubborn child simply not going because they don't want or feel like it. Plus you try having what I have and "sucking up" to it. Trust me, I hardly if ever complain when I'm sick. I brush it off, even when I've collapsed before. I don't like gaining attention or wanting others to worry about me but this...

That aside, what's best right now is probably rest so I'd concentrate on just trying to get some sleep. Make sure you're in a (preferably dark) room with no distractions, no noises, etc. Try having a warm drink like hot chocolate or tea before you try to sleep. Cut out caffeine completely for the next little while. You should go to a doctor to ask for look up some sleeping tips in general since it sounds like your sleep habits aren't that great to begin with and this is only making it worse. :(

Already tried that days ago, I've avoided coffee for weeks so that isn't an issue here. I can barely lie down, I'm wracked with pain. It's throbbing even as I type this, I end up coughing anyway and having to get up because I start dry heaving. I am drinking Lucozade though, don't know if this affects it at all.

Remember, even if it doesn't *feel* like you're getting any rest, you are and that's still probably a lot better than being on the computer where your mind is actively taking in information the whole time. Sign off and read a book or something instead.

Tried yesterday, I've been on and off here because I can't sleep and this is a sort of distraction. Reading a book, I can barely focus on the words of any page, including this one. Thank you for your help though.

Maybe I should list in more detail what I'm going through. Well, first, my eyes water. Constantly, I'm having to wipe them so much that it feels like I'm rubbing sandpaper over them, they're extremely sore. The skin on my fingers are dry and split, painful to flex them. My throat is very painful to swallow and I'm having to breathe consciously and deeply, if quite rapidly to focus and stop myself feeling as nauseous. This also however irritates my throat. I get jolting pains in my legs, a little like muscle cramp and my bones just feel like they're aching. Lastly, if I start coughing, I now start to dry heave which I didn't do a few days ago when this was starting to get to the stage that it's at now.

Thanks again for all your help though, I appreciate all and any of it.

Edit: Well, if you can't see a doctor, there's really not much you can do. It IS a viral infection, meaning antibiotics are useless and they probably tell you the exact same thing - a waste of time and money. Wade it out, even though it's horrible, but if you start to get very high fevers, have difficulty breathing or anything else life threatening go right to a hospital. They won't be able to cure the illness but they're prevent you from getting worse.

I hope it doesn't come to that but I'll keep it in mind, if my breathing becomes worse I'll seek professional help. I'm sure it's a viral infection, the Strepsils are doing nothing for my throat, hardly feels like they've made any difference at all. Temperature is a little high but not too high I don't think, so I'm safe in that aspect for now. Thank you.

.Ozymandias
July 8th, 2009, 08:33 AM
Is it possible that you have hayfever or another airbourne allergy? Because a lot of your symptoms of sore eyes and a scratchy throat are indicative of airbourne allergies.

As for your general body pain, there are a lot of viral infections going around that can cause those, and if they persist for longer than 7 days, it's advisable to go to your doctor just to get looked at. I know you don't want to go, but it's best to get it done and get feeling better.

Source: I've had severe hayfever and dust allergies my entire life, my mum is a nurse and I've just recently recovered from a viral & bacterial infection myself.

Soul Eater
July 8th, 2009, 08:57 AM
You're alot like me. XD I hate doctors too and I also hate taking pills too. I always try to find liquid to help though, maybe you could try that? The only problem is, I don't think it comes in adult form as far as the pain reliever stuff goes. :/

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
July 8th, 2009, 09:03 AM
Maybe I should list in more detail what I'm going through. Well, first, my eyes water. Constantly, I'm having to wipe them so much that it feels like I'm rubbing sandpaper over them, they're extremely sore. The skin on my fingers are dry and split, painful to flex them. My throat is very painful to swallow and I'm having to breathe consciously and deeply, if quite rapidly to focus and stop myself feeling as nauseous. This also however irritates my throat. I get jolting pains in my legs, a little like muscle cramp and my bones just feel like they're aching. Lastly, if I start coughing, I now start to dry heave which I didn't do a few days ago when this was starting to get to the stage that it's at now.

Ok, well, let's take a quick glance at your sysmptoms. You're saying that you're eyes are hurting and watering - that's often a reaction to hayfever, an allergy, or more commonly, a cold or flu. Alternatively, it could just be because you're not sleeping. You have a sore throat, you feel sick, you're aching and stiff and you're dry heaving a bit. To me, that honestly just sounds like a bad flu. However, at present, anything that could be a 'bad flu' could also be the dreaded 'swine flu' and so, I cannot urge you enough to see a doctor. I get that you have some sort of fear of doctors and tablets or whatever, but really, when there's a chance that it could be this potentially FATAL disease, you need to at least get a professional diagnosis.

I know it might not be what you want to hear, but really, it's the best thing to do. Hope yoou fell better soon.

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July 8th, 2009, 10:27 AM
Is it possible that you have hayfever or another airbourne allergy? Because a lot of your symptoms of sore eyes and a scratchy throat are indicative of airbourne allergies.

As for your general body pain, there are a lot of viral infections going around that can cause those, and if they persist for longer than 7 days, it's advisable to go to your doctor just to get looked at. I know you don't want to go, but it's best to get it done and get feeling better.

Source: I've had severe hayfever and dust allergies my entire life, my mum is a nurse and I've just recently recovered from a viral & bacterial infection myself.

Well, I've never had an allergy in all my life or hayfever. I'm pretty much immune to that, so it isn't that. Thanks anyway, I'll keep that in mind.

You're alot like me. XD I hate doctors too and I also hate taking pills too. I always try to find liquid to help though, maybe you could try that? The only problem is, I don't think it comes in adult form as far as the pain reliever stuff goes. :/

... I do hate doctors, but I have a reason for not going. It has blood pressure to do with it, that's all I'll say. I know I should go, I'm old enough to look after myself and know better, I have to be. Anyway, children medicine I doubt would even do anything at all with what I have, it's far too severe. Thanks again though.

Ok, well, let's take a quick glance at your sysmptoms. You're saying that you're eyes are hurting and watering - that's often a reaction to hayfever, an allergy, or more commonly, a cold or flu. Alternatively, it could just be because you're not sleeping. You have a sore throat, you feel sick, you're aching and stiff and you're dry heaving a bit. To me, that honestly just sounds like a bad flu. However, at present, anything that could be a 'bad flu' could also be the dreaded 'swine flu' and so, I cannot urge you enough to see a doctor. I get that you have some sort of fear of doctors and tablets or whatever, but really, when there's a chance that it could be this potentially FATAL disease, you need to at least get a professional diagnosis.

I know it might not be what you want to hear, but really, it's the best thing to do. Hope yoou fell better soon.

You must remember, when I say bloodshot eyes, I'm not talking about your normal bloodshot. Basically, the stems have spread so far that they almost surround the iris of my eye and the white looks yellow. Infected, obviously. You can tell from a glance, it's like I've kept my eyes open underwater in a swimming pool full of claurine then threw yellow gunge into the mix. It hasn't faded for days, I highly doubt its just an allergic reaction. I don't have any allergies at all.

It's occured to me that it could be potentially dangerous considering just how severe it is, I can barely speak without my voice being cracked and raspy. I've decided to wait a couple of days and if it's still here... I'll have to decide from then what course of action to take. For now, I'm just going to have to pull one-nighters. Sleeping is simply impossible.

Does no one know of anything to relieve my throat pain? A drink of some kind? Or something to help my joints... I just need... something, this pain is absolutely maddening.

Alex_
July 8th, 2009, 11:24 AM
I love how all of these people come to a Pokemon forum for advice on their health.

True Reign
July 8th, 2009, 12:18 PM
I didn't really want to start a new thread for this... But I feel it's out of place in the Problem and Chit Chat threads. I'm really sick at the moment, throat is in agony simply to swallow and my eyes are watering and extremely bloodshot. I look like a turning infected from 28 Days Later, no exaggeration at all. The stems have even reached to my iris and split around it. Appears to be some sort of Viral infection but I can safely tell you that I am in agony and the little 2-3 hours sleep I normally obtain has been lost completely. I haven't slept in days. Does anyone have any idea to what is plaguing my body to make me suffer?

Before anyone spouts "Go to a doctor, stop wasting our time." I have my reasons for doing this, another factor on top of the fact that I hate doctors. Also, I don't take tablets. Paracetamol ect, I avoid as much as possible, so please don't suggest them. I'm already taking Strepsils for my throat but if anyone has any old remedies that they think might help my throat, head, or make me drowzy enough to sleep and relieve me of this absolutely agonizing pain if only for a short time I will be... indescribably grateful.

I normally never stoop this low to get advice but its come to the point where I simply can't ignore it anymore, my body simply aches too much. Also, please take this seriously. This isn't a cry for help, or attention, I'm simply asking for a mature person to give their opinion and maybe help remedy this or at least aid me to relieve the pain.

I hate doctors with a passion, but when I'm extremely sick it's time for me to man up and head to my doctor's office. I think you should do the same.

Also don't think of it like "I have the next Black Plague!! Aww, I'm goin' to die!!". Just imagine it as a simple cold and your just taking a trip to the doctor as a precaution.

Switchback
July 8th, 2009, 01:37 PM
I love how all of these people come to a Pokemon forum for advice on their health.

Well that's a completely unverified reason. Yes, I posted on an Other Discussion section regarding my health, doesn't mean I joined solely to do this. I doubt anyone else did either... Sorry. I'm just a little... edgy. Being in pain and all.

I hate doctors with a passion, but when I'm extremely sick it's time for me to man up and head to my doctor's office. I think you should do the same.

Also don't think of it like "I have the next Black Plague!! Aww, I'm goin' to die!!". Just imagine it as a simple cold and your just taking a trip to the doctor as a precaution.

As I said before, I have my reasons. Personal reasons, just because I don't like doctors doesn't mean I would act like a 5 year old and simply not go even though I am obviously suffering. Just because I don't like doctors doesn't mean I have some kind of unfounded phobia, where are people getting these accusations from? Who said I'm thinking that I'm going to die?

I simply weighed my available options and weighed the pros and cons of each one. Afterwards I decided that my health should not affect anothers, that is the reason and it's a personal one. I understand where you're coming from and I would honestly take your advice but I'm looking for some knowledge of a way to ease the pain I have and not what I know I should be doing. Thank you anyway, I do appreciate your concern.

Gizamimi Pichu
July 8th, 2009, 01:41 PM
As much as I want to urge you to see a professional about this (especially if you're not improving within a few days), that really wouldn't be helping you.

I'm not going to try and diagnose you, but I will say that trying to rest as much as possible, drinking lots of fluids (aside from water, I'd recommend something like gatoraid, since it has electrolytes in it), and eating foods with a lot of antioxidants (berries in particular.)

You mention your eyes being a touch on the yellow side, which makes me potentially quirk a brow and think jaundice, but then your skin might have slightly yellowish tint as well. Either way, not something I can really give an opinion on via the internet, but just a thought.

Switchback
July 8th, 2009, 02:03 PM
As much as I want to urge you to see a professional about this (especially if you're not improving within a few days), that really wouldn't be helping you.

I'm not going to try and diagnose you, but I will say that trying to rest as much as possible, drinking lots of fluids (aside from water, I'd recommend something like gatoraid, since it has electrolytes in it), and eating foods with a lot of antioxidants (berries in particular.)

You mention your eyes being a touch on the yellow side, which makes me potentially quirk a brow and think jaundice, but then your skin might have slightly yellowish tint as well. Either way, not something I can really give an opinion on via the internet, but just a thought.

I don't have any Gatorade where I am but I do have one bottle of Lucozade so I'll grab that. Only problem is that the carbonate just burns my throat something bad. Antioxidants, I've been over that with berry yogurts but swallowing is quite difficult. Skin isn't yellow but the whites of my eyes are, it's a sickly yellow, not unlike the one in the highlight icon in the message window. The bloodshot is worse than what it was a few hours ago now. Thank you for trying though.

Gymnotide
July 8th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Is the pain in your joints/bone or the muscle?
Is the pain stinging or numbing?
Have you eaten any badly processed food lately?
Have you eaten any food at all?
Have you been sweating a lot? Do you have night sweats?
Is your breath warmer than usual? Is your tongue inflamed?
Do you have a headache? If so, stinging or numbing?
Do you have abdnominal pains?
Have you been near pesticides or any other type of poison lately?
Is breathing hard? When you are not consciously breathing, is it quicker than normal?
Are you dizzy? Can you walk in a straight line?
Have you been urinating as per normal?
Are there any temperature discrepancies in your body?
How is your heart?
Have you vomited?


And since I don't have nearly enough information, I'm going to suggest that you may have any number of the following: (1) hyperallergic reaction; you can gain new allergies and lose old allergies over time; (2) hemolytic anemia or other anemia; (3) chemical poisoning; (4) abdominal cancer; (5) hypochondria.

Also, probably check your body for bite marks or anything, since most of the symptoms you describe all trace back to some sort of poison.

Switchback
July 8th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Is the pain in your joints/bone or the muscle? Mostly joints and bone.
Is the pain stinging or numbing? I'd say stinging.
Have you eaten any badly processed food lately? Not at all.
Have you eaten any food at all? What I can manage, bit of fruit and yogurt, vegetables mostly.
Have you been sweating a lot? Do you have night sweats? No night sweats but definitely trouble sleeping.
Is your breath warmer than usual? Is your tongue inflamed? Breath actually seems cooler than normal, tongue looks normal, if a little discolured.
Do you have a headache? If so, stinging or numbing? A vague dull one, but it isn't very prominent.
Do you have abdnominal pains? No.
Have you been near pesticides or any other type of poison lately? No.
Is breathing hard? When you are not consciously breathing, is it quicker than normal? Quicker yes, and it can get a little difficult at times.

Are you dizzy? Can you walk in a straight line? Nauseaous but I can walk straight.

Have you been urinating as per normal? Little more than normal because of extra fluids however.
Are there any temperature discrepancies in your body? Throat, definitely hotter than normal and my head and face are a little hotter than normal aswell.
How is your heart? A little fast paced than normal but not enough to worry I don't think.
Have you vomited? Dry heaving but not yet.


And since I don't have nearly enough information, I'm going to suggest that you may have any number of the following: (1) hyperallergic reaction; you can gain new allergies and lose old allergies over time; (2) hemolytic anemia or other anemia; (3) chemical poisoning; (4) abdominal cancer; (5) hypochondria.

Also, probably check your body for bite marks or anything, since most of the symptoms you describe all trace back to some sort of poison.

I definitely haven't been bitten by anything but I can barely swallow now. I get soaring pain simply drinking a sip of water and my eyes are still watering. I get a kind of blotch over my eyes where I have to blink it away to focus and swallowing takes a lot of effort. The blood veins in my eyes seem more promenint now too, definitely more noticable. Definitely in more pain than I was yesterday... It's 4:03 AM as I type this, I tried sleeping but... well, shutting my eyes and lying still seems to make it worse.

Esper
July 8th, 2009, 07:40 PM
For your throat try tea with honey, or, if you can get it wherever you are, a brand of tea called Throat Coat. If you don't have tea or honey, get some. If you can't leave the house have a friend, family member, or neighbor get it for you. You have someone keeping an eye on you in case things take a turn for the worse, right?

Also try washing your face. If your eyes are being irritated by something like dust or pollen or whatever it can help. If it is an infection, well, no harm done. It might even relieve some of the discomfort.

Gymnotide
July 8th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Again, I can't really help much, but all the fingers are more or less pointing to anemia, or the inability to transport oxygen through the bloodstream. I'm going to list out some thing that I think.
Fever can induce the body to withhold or reject iron. Without iron, hemoglobin cannot be synthesized, and without hemoglobin, blood cells can't transport oxygen. In addition, you said you had been eating fruits and vegetables, which don't contain high amounts of usable iron, and instead contain nitrates which may take whatever usable iron you have in your blood and methyllate it, thereby making it useless.
The blood vessels in your eyes are dilated, evidenced by their prominence. Blood vessels dilate to allow more blood to pass through when needed. Vasodilation of the blood vessels in the peripherals may cause pain, comparable to that after having an intense workout; cramps may occur.
When anemia occurs, vasoconstriction occurs in the lung arteries in order to focus oxygen uptake in a smaller area. This causes heightened lung activity.
The yellowing of your eyes is most likely linked to jaundice. Skin does not have to turn yellow during mild cases of jaundice. In addition, anemia may cause liver damage and thereby jaundice. This is because when red blood cells are destroyed, their components are spilled into the bloodstream so the marrow can take the components and rebuild new cells. A certain chemical from this process, bilirubin, can build up in the body and make your epithelial cells turn yellow.
Anemia causes the body to undergo immense fatigue due to lack of oxygen.
Heat in the head is caused by increased blood flow, likely due to the body trying to focus the majority of its oxygen supplies at the brain.
Lymph nodes may swell (and the ones in the throat are large targets).

Some irrelevant symptoms:
Dry heaving and nausea are most likely the body's attempt to purge itself of any unwanted material it may have taken in.
Loss of voice is most likely linked to swelling of the throat.
Mild headache and eye pain is most likely linked to lack of sleep. Some sores may arise from this as well.
Insomnia, which is most likely purely psychological.
Cooled breath is comparative to temperature of the throat.

And then there's the list of culprits:
The aforementioned chemical poisoning -- this can arise from any number of factors, such as pesticides being present in the food or water you take in, animal/plant toxins, etc. The chemicals destroy blood cells (hence hemolytic anemia), and cause the body to be unable to transport oxygen.
Iron deficiency; can be remedied by eating iron-rich foods and vitamin C.
B12 deficiency, not caused by lack of uptake, but lack of absorption.
Failure of the bone marrow
Mononucleosis (aka. mono) -- check this one out. It has a bunch of symptoms you detailed, including pharyngeal inflammation, jaundice, fatigue, malaise, and can cause hemolysis.

It's a bit complicated because anemia can be both a symptom and a cause.
This would be a lot easier with a blood test, however.

I'll call when I think of anything else.

ChronicEdge
July 8th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Go to a doctor, dammit. You're scaring the **** out of certain people.

The allergy theory sounds plausible enough. You've probably already been over this, but is there anything new that you've ingested? Even if it's just a different brand of carrots, there may be something wrong.

I don't know why you're being so damn stubborn about consulting a medical professional, but dammit, your stoicism is worthless if you die.

At least get a blood test. Please?

Gary, the Magic Fairy
July 8th, 2009, 10:12 PM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d39/whiskpirate/other/dr_house2_sip-300.jpg Sounds like Lupus to me.

All horrible insensitivity aside.. If your eyes are turning yellow, you could be having some sort of liver problem. You need that to live. Go to a hospital. Your health isn't something you should play around with. You don't "weigh the pros and cons". Pain is the body telling you something is wrong, and if it's increasing, that probably means it's getting worse. It doesn't matter what your 'reasons' are, just go. Any doctor will tell you that waiting isn't a good thing.

If you aren't going to go, then you should at least call over a friend or family member over to make sure you don't just drop dead or something.

As for the throat pain, maybe try to drink something really cold, as steadily as you can. I had a really awful sore throat a few months back. I drank a milkshake and glasses of ice water as much as I could without getting brain freeze. It sorta numbed it.

You might be fine, and you might just have to wait it out, but if you DO need medical attention, you definitely should not be putting it off.

Yuoaman
July 8th, 2009, 11:54 PM
Again, I can't really help much, but all the fingers are more or less pointing to anemia, or the inability to transport oxygen through the bloodstream. I'm going to list out some thing that I think.
Fever can induce the body to withhold or reject iron. Without iron, hemoglobin cannot be synthesized, and without hemoglobin, blood cells can't transport oxygen. In addition, you said you had been eating fruits and vegetables, which don't contain high amounts of usable iron, and instead contain nitrates which may take whatever usable iron you have in your blood and methyllate it, thereby making it useless.
The blood vessels in your eyes are dilated, evidenced by their prominence. Blood vessels dilate to allow more blood to pass through when needed. Vasodilation of the blood vessels in the peripherals may cause pain, comparable to that after having an intense workout; cramps may occur.
When anemia occurs, vasoconstriction occurs in the lung arteries in order to focus oxygen uptake in a smaller area. This causes heightened lung activity.
The yellowing of your eyes is most likely linked to jaundice. Skin does not have to turn yellow during mild cases of jaundice. In addition, anemia may cause liver damage and thereby jaundice. This is because when red blood cells are destroyed, their components are spilled into the bloodstream so the marrow can take the components and rebuild new cells. A certain chemical from this process, bilirubin, can build up in the body and make your epithelial cells turn yellow.
Anemia causes the body to undergo immense fatigue due to lack of oxygen.
Heat in the head is caused by increased blood flow, likely due to the body trying to focus the majority of its oxygen supplies at the brain.
Lymph nodes may swell (and the ones in the throat are large targets).

Some irrelevant symptoms:
Dry heaving and nausea are most likely the body's attempt to purge itself of any unwanted material it may have taken in.
Loss of voice is most likely linked to swelling of the throat.
Mild headache and eye pain is most likely linked to lack of sleep. Some sores may arise from this as well.
Insomnia, which is most likely purely psychological.
Cooled breath is comparative to temperature of the throat.

And then there's the list of culprits:
The aforementioned chemical poisoning -- this can arise from any number of factors, such as pesticides being present in the food or water you take in, animal/plant toxins, etc. The chemicals destroy blood cells (hence hemolytic anemia), and cause the body to be unable to transport oxygen.
Iron deficiency; can be remedied by eating iron-rich foods and vitamin C.
B12 deficiency, not caused by lack of uptake, but lack of absorption.
Failure of the bone marrow
Mononucleosis (aka. mono) -- check this one out. It has a bunch of symptoms you detailed, including pharyngeal inflammation, jaundice, fatigue, malaise, and can cause hemolysis.

It's a bit complicated because anemia can be both a symptom and a cause.
This would be a lot easier with a blood test, however.

I'll call when I think of anything else.

The best post in the entire thread. This offers the most plausible possibility, and I have one thing to add, just go to the doctor. It could be something easily fixed, but by not going you are risking your life...

EpsilonE
July 9th, 2009, 12:09 AM
As a practicee in medicinal help, try rubbing alchohol on a cloth and shifting it around your limbs on the body to help reduce the fever. For the throat and such, it's painful to even imagine this, but drink herbal chicken broth at high but tolerable temperatures, do not add salt as it may dehydrate you. Drink excess water to flush the system and kidneys, maybe even some prune juice or cranberry juice, all natural.

Some sunlight will give you vitamin D to combat the sickness. Do not drink milk, eat chocolate or any form of sugar.

Take lukewarm baths/showers. Never too hot or too cold.

Lay in bed, and try to get some form of assistance from family or friends.

Gymnotide
July 9th, 2009, 01:33 AM
Some sunlight will give you vitamin D to combat the sickness. Do not drink milk, eat chocolate or any form of sugar.

Good information.

Vitamin D takes the skin about two weeks to fully photosynthesize. It's a better bet to get it from a supplement or food source at this point.

Milk would be a safe choice too if you don't have gastroenteritis or diarrhea. It has calcium which is easily fixed due to the D uptake and also contains B12, B2, and D itself sometimes. It also contains protein for re-synthesis of all the cells your body is destroying. However, do not drink it if it makes you nauseous.

Also, I am not sure about this consumption of sugar thing, but if you decide to follow it, remember that sugar is also heavily present in peanut butter, some yogurt, and white bread, which are usually deemed "stomach friendly" foods. I'm not sure if the above poster also meant to stop eating fruits, as those contain a lot of sugars too, save stuff like the avocado.

UltraBlaziken
July 9th, 2009, 05:14 AM
I am not experienced at giving medical advice, but your disease sounds fatal, so you should go to the hospital or see a doctor before that disease literally kills you.

Otherwise, if you REALLY don't wanna see a doctor, I can't give you any advice.

Switchback
July 9th, 2009, 05:18 AM
For your throat try tea with honey, or, if you can get it wherever you are, a brand of tea called Throat Coat. If you don't have tea or honey, get some. If you can't leave the house have a friend, family member, or neighbor get it for you. You have someone keeping an eye on you in case things take a turn for the worse, right?

Also try washing your face. If your eyes are being irritated by something like dust or pollen or whatever it can help. If it is an infection, well, no harm done. It might even relieve some of the discomfort.

Already been washing my face, does little effect. I'm 100% sure that it's not an allergy, I have none at all. Thank you though Scarf, I tried putting a spoonful of honey in with tea and I could actually breathe better for about 10 minutes. I'll keep making some when I feel able to swallow something down. You've been wonders.

Again, I can't really help much, but all the fingers are more or less pointing to anemia, or the inability to transport oxygen through the bloodstream. I'm going to list out some thing that I think.

Fever can induce the body to withhold or reject iron. Without iron, hemoglobin cannot be synthesized, and without hemoglobin, blood cells can't transport oxygen. In addition, you said you had been eating fruits and vegetables, which don't contain high amounts of usable iron, and instead contain nitrates which may take whatever usable iron you have in your blood and methyllate it, thereby making it useless.
The blood vessels in your eyes are dilated, evidenced by their prominence. Blood vessels dilate to allow more blood to pass through when needed. Vasodilation of the blood vessels in the peripherals may cause pain, comparable to that after having an intense workout; cramps may occur.
When anemia occurs, vasoconstriction occurs in the lung arteries in order to focus oxygen uptake in a smaller area. This causes heightened lung activity.
The yellowing of your eyes is most likely linked to jaundice. Skin does not have to turn yellow during mild cases of jaundice. In addition, anemia may cause liver damage and thereby jaundice. This is because when red blood cells are destroyed, their components are spilled into the bloodstream so the marrow can take the components and rebuild new cells. A certain chemical from this process, bilirubin, can build up in the body and make your epithelial cells turn yellow.
Anemia causes the body to undergo immense fatigue due to lack of oxygen.
Heat in the head is caused by increased blood flow, likely due to the body trying to focus the majority of its oxygen supplies at the brain.
Lymph nodes may swell (and the ones in the throat are large targets).


Some irrelevant symptoms:

Dry heaving and nausea are most likely the body's attempt to purge itself of any unwanted material it may have taken in.
Loss of voice is most likely linked to swelling of the throat.
Mild headache and eye pain is most likely linked to lack of sleep. Some sores may arise from this as well.
Insomnia, which is most likely purely psychological.
Cooled breath is comparative to temperature of the throat.


And then there's the list of culprits:

The aforementioned chemical poisoning -- this can arise from any number of factors, such as pesticides being present in the food or water you take in, animal/plant toxins, etc. The chemicals destroy blood cells (hence hemolytic anemia), and cause the body to be unable to transport oxygen.
Iron deficiency; can be remedied by eating iron-rich foods and vitamin C.
B12 deficiency, not caused by lack of uptake, but lack of absorption.
Failure of the bone marrow
Mononucleosis (aka. mono) -- check this one out. It has a bunch of symptoms you detailed, including pharyngeal inflammation, jaundice, fatigue, malaise, and can cause hemolysis.


It's a bit complicated because anemia can be both a symptom and a cause.
This would be a lot easier with a blood test, however.

I'll call when I think of anything else.

Thanks Gymnotide, I have a better understanding now. I know it's probably not accurate compared to a professional but you're really trying. Thank you, I'll keep all you've said in mind and heed your words.

Go to a doctor, dammit. You're scaring the **** out of certain people.

The allergy theory sounds plausible enough. You've probably already been over this, but is there anything new that you've ingested? Even if it's just a different brand of carrots, there may be something wrong.

I don't know why you're being so damn stubborn about consulting a medical professional, but dammit, your stoicism is worthless if you die.

At least get a blood test. Please?

I don't mean to scare others, like I keep saying, I have my reasons not to go. Anyway, if it's a viral infection which I'm almost positive it is, tablets do absolutely nothing anyway... Thanks for your concern though Chronic, but please don't get on my back. I have enough to deal with without others suffocating me more.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d39/whiskpirate/other/dr_house2_sip-300.jpg Sounds like Lupus to me.

All horrible insensitivity aside.. If your eyes are turning yellow, you could be having some sort of liver problem. You need that to live. Go to a hospital. Your health isn't something you should play around with. You don't "weigh the pros and cons". Pain is the body telling you something is wrong, and if it's increasing, that probably means it's getting worse. It doesn't matter what your 'reasons' are, just go. Any doctor will tell you that waiting isn't a good thing.

If you aren't going to go, then you should at least call over a friend or family member over to make sure you don't just drop dead or something.

As for the throat pain, maybe try to drink something really cold, as steadily as you can. I had a really awful sore throat a few months back. I drank a milkshake and glasses of ice water as much as I could without getting brain freeze. It sorta numbed it.

You might be fine, and you might just have to wait it out, but if you DO need medical attention, you definitely should not be putting it off.

The best post in the entire thread. This offers the most plausible possibility, and I have one thing to add, just go to the doctor. It could be something easily fixed, but by not going you are risking your life...

Thanks for being so insensitive, gave me a laugh and some pain along with it. Anyway, I'm going to clear this up, I'm sick of hearing about it. My reason not to go is because it concerns anothers blood pressure, they can do without the extra stress of knowing I'm sick. Okay? Trust me, I would have went by now, but I'd rather bear it down upon myself. Please stop telling me what I know I should do but I won't do either way unless it gets to catastrophic levels. Then I'd have to work out a way to go without them knowing, which is near impossible. There, that's why. Satisfied everyone? Can't believe I told you guys this, dammit.

As a practicee in medicinal help, try rubbing alchohol on a cloth and shifting it around your limbs on the body to help reduce the fever. For the throat and such, it's painful to even imagine this, but drink herbal chicken broth at high but tolerable temperatures, do not add salt as it may dehydrate you. Drink excess water to flush the system and kidneys, maybe even some prune juice or cranberry juice, all natural.

Some sunlight will give you vitamin D to combat the sickness. Do not drink milk, eat chocolate or any form of sugar.

Take lukewarm baths/showers. Never too hot or too cold.

Lay in bed, and try to get some form of assistance from family or friends.

Unfortunately I don't have any rubbing alcohol and... are you insane? I know you seem to know what you're talking about but drinking anything at a high temperature is like drinking boiling acid. I'd probably end up screaming. I don't take any excess salt at all except those found in foods so I'm safe there, as for sunlight... I hardly go out. Once a week at most... I don't have any way to get out either, not like this.

Sugar wise... I bet all that Lucozade didn't help... Okay, I'll lay off it. I know I should lay in bed but I can't, I won't sleep and I end up being in more difficulty to swallow. I just end up on here as a distraction. You've all been great, I want to thank you all for your help and for putting up with me.

Greene1516
July 9th, 2009, 06:59 AM
You most likely have a bad case of the flu and have a terribly shot immune system. Trust me, everyone hates Doctors, but if you aren't healingon your own you need the drugs.

BTW, it's medical, not medicinal.

.Ozymandias
July 9th, 2009, 07:04 AM
Does no one know of anything to relieve my throat pain? A drink of some kind? Or something to help my joints... I just need... something, this pain is absolutely maddening.

I know, very late reply, but Lemsip is great. It's soothing for your throat, is hot and comforting, and has paracetamol to help with the pain.

But the crux of this is that's it's advisable to see a doctor. However, it's your body, and I hope you get well soon!

Trap-Eds
July 9th, 2009, 07:19 AM
Switchback, do you at least have someone to watch over you? I really can't offer much advice other than rest and going to a doctor, but since you apparently can't do that could you at least get someone to help you get through this?

Esper
July 9th, 2009, 07:53 AM
Since you haven't said anything about this yet I think it bears repeating:

Tell someone in real life that you are ill.

When you've done this, or if you already have, let us know so we don't wonder whether you're going to die alone and unnoticed in your room.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
July 9th, 2009, 08:03 AM
If you're throat is very sore, then one of the things that we always do in our family is to whip up some honey and hot lemon - boil the kettle, fill a mug about 2/3 full, splash in some lemon juice and add a spoonful of honey :D

It's very good for soothing your throat and if you can't drink anything hot, you could always just let it cool dow a bit first .

Switchback
July 9th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Well, I did a bit of extra Research last night and finally found out what is plaguing me. All the symptoms, pictures and early signs match up exactly so there's no doubt in my mind. I have the viral type of something called Conjunctivitis, also known as "Pink Eye." It's a contagious virus too, so basically I should be in quarantine and apparently it doesn't clear up until about 3 weeks. I've only had it for about a week so... I have a long way to go to recovery. More information can be found here if others are curious but I warn you, if you're easily sickened, I advise that you don't click. Can't be making other people sick aswell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunctivitis

I want to thank everyone for taking the time to try and diagnose me, but I still ask that if anyone knows of anything that can help relieve my throat pain or help me sleep easier without the use of medication since it's useless because of the infection type, I'd be very grateful.

You most likely have a bad case of the flu and have a terribly shot immune system. Trust me, everyone hates Doctors, but if you aren't healingon your own you need the drugs.

BTW, it's medical, not medicinal.

I wrote medicinal because I'm looking for a way to relieve the pain, not exactly a diagnosis. Drugs don't work, viral infection just makes them completely useless. Any type of medicine is inaffective, I hardly if ever take tablets normally but in this case, I'm more than willing because of the pain. Unfortunately, I was cursed with something that makes them absolutely useless.


I know, very late reply, but Lemsip is great. It's soothing for your throat, is hot and comforting, and has paracetamol to help with the pain.

But the crux of this is that's it's advisable to see a doctor. However, it's your body, and I hope you get well soon!

The Paracetamol won't work but I guess it's worth a try, thanks.

Switchback, do you at least have someone to watch over you? I really can't offer much advice other than rest and going to a doctor, but since you apparently can't do that could you at least get someone to help you get through this?

Since you haven't said anything about this yet I think it bears repeating:

Tell someone in real life that you are ill.

When you've done this, or if you already have, let us know so we don't wonder whether you're going to die alone and unnoticed in your room.

There is one person who knows of my illness, however they are not here very much because of work and going out ect. I can look after myself, trust me I'm used to it. When it comes to possibly vomiting though... I'm not sure I can handle that well. I'll tackle that when I come to it though. I appreciate your concern though, really.

If you're throat is very sore, then one of the things that we always do in our family is to whip up some honey and hot lemon - boil the kettle, fill a mug about 2/3 full, splash in some lemon juice and add a spoonful of honey :D

It's very good for soothing your throat and if you can't drink anything hot, you could always just let it cool dow a bit first .

Lemon juice? Odd, but it definitely sounds like a good remedy. I'll have to buy some lemon juice first though, don't really like lemons but anything is good at this point. Thanks a lot.

Charmanderr
July 9th, 2009, 11:41 PM
Hate to say it.. But go see a doctor if you haven't already lol, this may be serious.

Greene1516
July 10th, 2009, 05:24 PM
I wrote medicinal because I'm looking for a way to relieve the pain, not exactly a diagnosis. Drugs don't work, viral infection just makes them completely useless. Any type of medicine is inaffective, I hardly if ever take tablets normally but in this case, I'm more than willing because of the pain. Unfortunately, I was cursed with something that makes them absolutely useless.

It's actually really ironic; the one way this normally happens to someone is because they take too much medication and they become immune. Yet you claim to have taken none. But you see the thing is, the key to good medicine is believing it will work.

Mr. X
July 10th, 2009, 07:00 PM
As per usual with my posts i will be taking a lot of flak for what i am about to say.

It is human nature to preserve itself. This dictates that the human will go to unsual lengths to insure its survival.

Another is that humans try to shy away from pain. As such your illness is causing you pain yet you seem to not want to try the one thing that will help you the most.

As such with these conjections i can say that you are either lieing about being sick, or you are sick but not to the degree to which you state.

Either way i don't care.

So to finish this...

I have had a few bad encounters with doctors as well (Most involved needles and a doctor that can't tell the diffrence between a blood vain and a bone.) and i agree that i will try to stay away for as long as i can but really... If you are having problems drinking water and eating yogurt then it is time for you to get some professional help, instead of talking to (Mostly) uneducated children on a pokemon forum.

Anyway one last thing (I hope) I would recommend not getting on the computer for a while kk? The light from the monitor can cause a persons eyes to be in pain. A normal healthy person is largely uneffected by this (Unless they stare at the monitor for 8+ hrs a day) but in your case the light is only making your eyes feel worse.

JX Valentine
July 10th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Sorry to be blunt, but...

Thanks for being so insensitive, gave me a laugh and some pain along with it. Anyway, I'm going to clear this up, I'm sick of hearing about it. My reason not to go is because it concerns anothers blood pressure, they can do without the extra stress of knowing I'm sick.

So... relieving any possible worry they might have by actually seeking professional help (which would, yes, entail actually detailing your situation to the point where you can tell this doctor what medicines don't usually work for you so s/he can figure out what might work instead) is outweighed by risking damage to yourself through a possible misdiagnosis, inappropriate self-treatment, or otherwise attempting to wait out the disease because you're worried someone (who would probably be able to tell that you're sick just by looking at or listening to you, given your symptoms) will make a fuss over you?

Yep. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Otherwise...

If you are having problems drinking water and eating yogurt then it is time for you to get some professional help, instead of talking to (Mostly) uneducated children on a pokemon forum.

This.

Or, in other words, yes, it's admirable that you're thinking about someone else, but if you can barely eat, chances are, whatever you've got is pretty bad. Instead of constantly telling us what you can't do (which, frankly, makes this whole thing seem like a circular argument because you're asking for advice and then promptly shooting everything down) while you wait for your problem to worsen (which would, in turn, give whoever you're worried about even more to make a fuss over), it might be prudent to, you know, actually consider our advice or otherwise go do something about it.

And yes. I'm sorry that you're sick, and I don't mean to be overly insensitive to what you're going through. I know it sucks, and I know I'm not a medical expert. I'm just saying it's rather unusual (read: rather frustrating to read) that people are offering advice, and everything they try to give you gets shot down, either because your body doesn't work the way they think it does or because you just don't want to try it. (Yes, I also don't know you, but the point still stands.)

Switchback
July 10th, 2009, 09:23 PM
It's actually really ironic; the one way this normally happens to someone is because they take too much medication and they become immune. Yet you claim to have taken none. But you see the thing is, the key to good medicine is believing it will work.

I'm not saying I've never taken tablets before, because I have. I simply very very rarely take them because I'd rather not. In this case, I did take some and like I keep saying over and over, they did nothing. It's a viral infection, tablets don't work. That's why I'm asking people here if they have any common knowledge of alternative ways to help my throat because taking antibiotics simply does absolutely nothing at all. Good medicine is believing it will work? Trust me, I've been praying for them to work but you can't change what a Viral infection does.

As per usual with my posts i will be taking a lot of flak for what i am about to say.

It is human nature to preserve itself. This dictates that the human will go to unsual lengths to insure its survival.

Another is that humans try to shy away from pain. As such your illness is causing you pain yet you seem to not want to try the one thing that will help you the most.

Not true, the one thing that would help me most doesn't work. Strepsils have two antibiotics in them, what have they done to help my throat? ... Nothing. All tablets have been made useless because of the infection.

As such with these conjections i can say that you are either lieing about being sick, or you are sick but not to the degree to which you state.

Why on everything on earth would I lie about being sick? Let me tell you, I would happily swap this with you. What would I get out of lying about my condition and its state? I hate liars and I would never have went as far as to ask others to help with my illness if it wasn't that bad in the first place. What motive or reason would I have to do that in the first place? It makes no sense at all.

Either way i don't care.

So to finish this...

I have had a few bad encounters with doctors as well (Most involved needles and a doctor that can't tell the diffrence between a blood vain and a bone.) and i agree that i will try to stay away for as long as i can but really... If you are having problems drinking water and eating yogurt then it is time for you to get some professional help, instead of talking to (Mostly) uneducated children on a pokemon forum.

Anyway one last thing (I hope) I would recommend not getting on the computer for a while kk? The light from the monitor can cause a persons eyes to be in pain. A normal healthy person is largely uneffected by this (Unless they stare at the monitor for 8+ hrs a day) but in your case the light is only making your eyes feel worse.

That's funny, uneducated children? I think this thread proves that they are quite intelligent, at least more so than what you seem to be trying to pull. Yes, seeking professional help seems to be everyone's answer but what would they do? They'd give me tablets that don't even work and tell me to be on my way, there's nothing they can do about this. As taken from the article:

"Although there is no specific treatment for viral conjunctivitis..."

Your right, I shouldn't be on here. However, it does not affect my eyes. I simply come on here as a distraction and for some help with alternative remedies I can try. Through the time I've had this I've posted as little as possible except on this thread, I've been mostly resting off the laptop.

While it is your opinion and I respect that fact, I suggest you maybe read on what I've been saying earlier before jumping to all these conclusions.

So... relieving any possible worry they might have by actually seeking professional help (which would, yes, entail actually detailing your situation to the point where you can tell this doctor what medicines don't usually work for you so s/he can figure out what might work instead) is outweighed by risking damage to yourself through a possible misdiagnosis, inappropriate self-treatment, or otherwise attempting to wait out the disease because you're worried someone (who would probably be able to tell that you're sick just by looking at or listening to you, given your symptoms) will make a fuss over you?

Yep. Makes perfect sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Basically, they have enough to deal with without worrying over me at the same time. I understand where you're coming from but I'm 100% sure I've found what I have. Every single thing on it adds up, if I was still floudering around to what's wrong with me by now I would have went to the doctors. Going to the doctors I feel would put more stress on them, I really don't want that.

Or, in other words, yes, it's admirable that you're thinking about someone else, but if you can barely eat, chances are, whatever you've got is pretty bad. Instead of constantly telling us what you can't do (which, frankly, makes this whole thing seem like a circular argument because you're asking for advice and then promptly shooting everything down) while you wait for your problem to worsen (which would, in turn, give whoever you're worried about even more to make a fuss over), it might be prudent to, you know, actually consider our advice or otherwise go do something about it.

Who says I haven't considered it? I don't mean to act like I'm, "shooting everything down" in a somewhat circular argument but simply... I asked for alternative ways to help with my symptoms. I didn't ask for people to tell me what I should do or get a lecture. I've tried what people have suggested and they've worked a treat, again, tablets do nothing here. I do consider your advice, but simply I suppose I'm avoiding it because it's not what I asked for.

And yes. I'm sorry that you're sick, and I don't mean to be overly insensitive to what you're going through. I know it sucks, and I know I'm not a medical expert. I'm just saying it's rather unusual (read: rather frustrating to read) that people are offering advice, and everything they try to give you gets shot down, either because your body doesn't work the way they think it does or because you just don't want to try it. (Yes, I also don't know you, but the point still stands.)

You can be as insensitive as you like, I'd just brush it off. I don't want your sympathy, or your pity, simply a way to relive the pain that doesn't involve tablets because once again, they don't work. Why would I ignore people's advice because I don't want to try it? I listened to what they've said and I have tried most things, which have worked without adding extra pain with it. This isn't twenty questions on, "how my body works." I understand I'm being a little defensive but I really don't understand while people seem to be causing arguments, which is the last thing I want to deal with right now.

All I'd like is more suggestions on how I can relieve the pain that doesn't involve medication which is useless in this case. I don't want an argument on what I should do, this is ultimately my choice in the end. I'm going to ride this virus out, there's nothing much else I can do, doctor or not.

JX Valentine
July 10th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Basically, they have enough to deal with without worrying over me at the same time.

Everyone has a lot to deal with on a daily basis, but if you end up getting worse the way you're going, you're just going to give them a lot more to worry about when they find out. (I say when in this case because if things don't improve... yeah, it's probably going to be inevitable if they care that much about you.) In fact, postponing actually giving them a heads up (even by downplaying it and saying, "It's just a minor cold. I'll get over it soon. Really.") will probably just end badly when they start wondering why you didn't tell them in the first place.

I understand where you're coming from but I'm 100% sure I've found what I have.

The problem with an internet diagnosis is that it makes everyone a hypochondriac. It's usually a good idea to get a second opinion from a professional because you'll end up thinking your symptoms match up to a description you've found when in actuality, the description is talking about a set of symptoms that are slightly different but vaguely defined. Alternatively, you end up listing obvious symptoms and missing one or two because you aren't trained to notice them, even if it is your body.

Going to the doctors I feel would put more stress on them, I really don't want that.

Again, if you're talking about your loved ones, not telling them, letting things worsen, and then having them find out later will actually probably put more stress on them.

Who says I haven't considered it? I don't mean to act like I'm, "shooting everything down" in a somewhat circular argument but simply... I asked for alternative ways to help with my symptoms.

And we offered. You didn't say you were actually trying things. You just said they didn't work. You don't even actually fully explain what you mean. You just say "I can't do this" or "this doesn't work for me." The latter could mean anything from you have an antibiotic-resistant disease (i.e., yes, virus), your immune system is faulty (which could contribute a bit here), you actually tried it and didn't immediately get the results you were hoping for, or you just didn't think it would work but haven't tried it. *shrug* It's really not possible to tell which one it is right off the bat, so, yeah, you're not giving us enough information. Hence, it feels like a circular argument with people giving you pretty much the same advice over and over again (or different pieces of advice that might not even be relevant) because we don't exactly know your body or know what you're doing between posts.

I didn't ask for people to tell me what I should do

...But you're asking for alternative medicinal advice. Isn't that telling you what you should do?

or get a lecture.

When you're asking about this kind of thing, you just have to expect one, really. You're not offering enough information, your list of symptoms sounds pretty bad, and all we know is you don't want a doctor and the usual treatments don't work for you. What else can we really say?

I don't want your sympathy, or your pity, simply a way to relive the pain that doesn't involve tablets because once again, they don't work.

I never said they do. I just said go seek professional help. Not every doctor will tell you you should be taking tablets or whatnot.

Why would I ignore people's advice because I don't want to try it?

That's basically what you've been implying with all this, "I don't want to go to a doctor even though my symptoms seem pretty bad because I don't want to worry someone else" business, really. In the case of your refusal to go to a doctor, you nearly outright state it with the quote I filched in my last post.

This isn't twenty questions on, "how my body works."

Never said it would be, either, although it would actually somewhat help to tell us if you've got some other condition that prevents you from being able to take some of our advice. But other than that, I said if you sought professional help, you'd be able to lay out what you're feeling and what else the doctor needs to know for you to get the help you probably really need.

I understand I'm being a little defensive but I really don't understand while people seem to be causing arguments, which is the last thing I want to deal with right now.

Because it seems like you could very well solve the problem with a solution that's a lot less painful than you think it will be. Granted, I don't know your loved ones, but it would be rather logical that you'd probably want to go get some help before the disease does some permanent damage that your loved one will notice anyway. (Side note for a case in point, but a friend of mine ended up half blind thanks to an eye virus that wasn't exactly treated right away. If you've got pink-eye or whatnot, yes, you'll probably want to get that checked out. 'Course, that's more of a worst-case-scenario thing going on, but it's still a possibility.)

I don't want an argument on what I should do, this is ultimately my choice in the end.

This is true, but if you don't want to take advice that people keep giving you, it might be better to just not say, "This won't work for me. I can't take your advice." (The latter of which is pretty much implied.) I mean, come now. We're trying to help you, but being defensive in response isn't exactly the best thank you for some of the efforts here.

Greene1516
July 11th, 2009, 07:10 AM
Praying/hoping and believing are entirely different concepts. And only anti-biotics will have little effect on a virus, though they can still help manage symptoms. Mr.X does have a good point too.

And for the record, Strepsils do not contain anti-biotics, do you really they could be bought on a shelf if they did?

Switchback
July 11th, 2009, 08:36 AM
Everyone has a lot to deal with on a daily basis, but if you end up getting worse the way you're going, you're just going to give them a lot more to worry about when they find out. (I say when in this case because if things don't improve... yeah, it's probably going to be inevitable if they care that much about you.) In fact, postponing actually giving them a heads up (even by downplaying it and saying, "It's just a minor cold. I'll get over it soon. Really.") will probably just end badly when they start wondering why you didn't tell them in the first place.

If I get worse, I'll tell them that I'll go to the doctors. For now, I'm happy to go on saying that I'm dealing with it.

The problem with an internet diagnosis is that it makes everyone a hypochondriac. It's usually a good idea to get a second opinion from a professional because you'll end up thinking your symptoms match up to a description you've found when in actuality, the description is talking about a set of symptoms that are slightly different but vaguely defined. Alternatively, you end up listing obvious symptoms and missing one or two because you aren't trained to notice them, even if it is your body.

Every single thing listed there is what I have, the pictures are pretty much identical to what I've had to see in the mirror for most days now. I understand that yes the internet isn't the most reliable source but on this occasion I could even wager that it's what I have.

Again, if you're talking about your loved ones, not telling them, letting things worsen, and then having them find out later will actually probably put more stress on them.

They know now. Leave it there.

And we offered. You didn't say you were actually trying things. You just said they didn't work. You don't even actually fully explain what you mean. You just say "I can't do this" or "this doesn't work for me." The latter could mean anything from you have an antibiotic-resistant disease (i.e., yes, virus), your immune system is faulty (which could contribute a bit here), you actually tried it and didn't immediately get the results you were hoping for, or you just didn't think it would work but haven't tried it. *shrug* It's really not possible to tell which one it is right off the bat, so, yeah, you're not giving us enough information. Hence, it feels like a circular argument with people giving you pretty much the same advice over and over again (or different pieces of advice that might not even be relevant) because we don't exactly know your body or know what you're doing between posts.

Sorry but is it really this hard to comprehend? I have a viral infection. Normal tablets, paracetamols, anti-biotics, anti-septics, do not work. So people suggesting to take them, I already tried so it's useless to try again. That's why I haven't really answered apart from the ever popular, "they don't work." Between posts, I'm pretty much coughing my heart out and going with some remedys suggested on here such as mixing honey in tea.

...But you're asking for alternative medicinal advice. Isn't that telling you what you should do?

There's a difference between, "Try this" and "Go to the doctors." I'm asking for suggestions yes, nothing wrong with asking. I won't put up with people telling me exactly that I have to go to the doctors because it's what they would do if they were me and yet they're not, they don't know my full situation. I won't fully explain it either, it doesn't need to be known just to be given some alternative medical help.



When you're asking about this kind of thing, you just have to expect one, really. You're not offering enough information, your list of symptoms sounds pretty bad, and all we know is you don't want a doctor and the usual treatments don't work for you. What else can we really say?

Now what is that supposed to mean? People have told me alternative ways to ease the pain, that's all I really asked for. Not you assuming things. How about turning the tables here, what can you say? Your not suggesting anything, why should I have to answer to you? I honestly don't know why you're doing this and why I'm even replying other than I won't stand here and listen to you trying to make me feel what, guilty? What is your motive?

That's basically what you've been implying with all this, "I don't want to go to a doctor even though my symptoms seem pretty bad because I don't want to worry someone else" business, really. In the case of your refusal to go to a doctor, you nearly outright state it with the quote I filched in my last post.

I don't want to go to a doctor, what you just said is exactly what I've been saying in the first place anyway. Have I offended you in some way? Oh no, look, someone who doesn't want to see a doctor! Blasphemy. It's my choice in the end, I appreciate you looking out for my best interests in a way but why are you pushing me, what is your point exactly?

Never said it would be, either, although it would actually somewhat help to tell us if you've got some other condition that prevents you from being able to take some of our advice. But other than that, I said if you sought professional help, you'd be able to lay out what you're feeling and what else the doctor needs to know for you to get the help you probably really need.

I found out what's wrong with me, I feel no reason to go unless it gets any worse than what I already have to deal with. No amount of people saying to go will change my mind.

Because it seems like you could very well solve the problem with a solution that's a lot less painful than you think it will be. Granted, I don't know your loved ones, but it would be rather logical that you'd probably want to go get some help before the disease does some permanent damage that your loved one will notice anyway. (Side note for a case in point, but a friend of mine ended up half blind thanks to an eye virus that wasn't exactly treated right away. If you've got pink-eye or whatnot, yes, you'll probably want to get that checked out. 'Course, that's more of a worst-case-scenario thing going on, but it's still a possibility.)

Conjunctivitis is linked to the eyes but it will not inflict any damage. My eyesight has been perfectly clear apart from the times I've had water discharge, obviously it would be blurry because of the water. Again, they know now. It's not a case of noticing, you can tell from glancing at me.

This is true, but if you don't want to take advice that people keep giving you, it might be better to just not say, "This won't work for me. I can't take your advice." (The latter of which is pretty much implied.) I mean, come now. We're trying to help you, but being defensive in response isn't exactly the best thank you for some of the efforts here.

I have thanked people, what you're implying or almost practically saying is that I'm asking for advice and then basically telling everyone that they're useless. Read back, people who suggested remedies I thanked, I have also thanked everyone on a whole for being helpful. True, people who suggested anti-biotics and such I simply told they wouldn't work, but they would have known this if they read the first post I made. I'm sorry Valentine but if you have nothing to suggest apart from seemingly pick at me, then why are you continuing this? I didn't start this thread to have people like you at my back, I started it to find ways to ease my pain. Some people have been very helpful and I am extremely grateful, however, you're not helping at all. Do you even have a reason for getting at me or are you simply bored? I may sound very cold at this point but I'm not exactly feeling great, I will probably feel a little guilty about this when I'm feeling better but basically, your point is?


Praying/hoping and believing are entirely different concepts. And only anti-biotics will have little effect on a virus, though they can still help manage symptoms. Mr.X does have a good point too.

And for the record, Strepsils do not contain anti-biotics, do you really they could be bought on a shelf if they did?

Taken from the back of my Strepsils packet: Each lozenge contains: A combination of 2 antiseptics to fight the infections which can cause sore throats and mouth infections.

I've taken almost two whole packets since I've fell down with this and well, they really haven't helped at all. Not with any symptom. Again, I've tried some tablets and again, they've had no effect. Forget about tablets, I've taken some to know they don't work. Your right if I had a headache or a common cold, no problem there but unfortunately, my throat is the culprit and the virus prevents any medication from working.

JX Valentine
July 11th, 2009, 09:04 AM
Every single thing listed there is what I have, the pictures are pretty much identical to what I've had to see in the mirror for most days now.

Symptoms can sometimes match up to different diseases -- sometimes even combinations of such. I wouldn't trust just a self-diagnosis, really.

Sorry but is it really this hard to comprehend? I have a viral infection. Normal tablets, paracetamols, anti-biotics, anti-septics, do not work.

That's nice, but it's not the whole story. There could be more going on than what you're telling us or what you know, which was the point to the entire paragraph you quoted here.

There's a difference between, "Try this" and "Go to the doctors."

Actually, there's not much of a difference except the ones you accept as "try this" are temporarily relief for a possible serious problem. "Go to a doctor" is still a "try this," however. Just a more involved one that involves doing a bit of pride-swallowing.

Now what is that supposed to mean?

It means that if you're asking for advice for a problem that's not exactly simple, some people offer lectures because what they have to say can't be said in a short paragraph.

Your not suggesting anything, why should I have to answer to you?

I did, actually. I suggested you listen to some of the advice you're passing over because you said you didn't want to trouble people in order to do it. I said sometimes, you have to trouble people because if you don't, your problems will probably get worse.

I honestly don't know why you're doing this and why I'm even replying other than I won't stand here and listen to you trying to make me feel what, guilty? What is your motive?

I'm not trying to make you feel guilty, actually. While I understand "go seek medical attention" is something you've gotten multiple times, I'm just saying it's rather odd that instead of saying "thank you," you're pretty much telling them they're not being helpful. They're really trying, and you end up sounding ungrateful to them. Probably without meaning to, but you do.

I don't want to go to a doctor, what you just said is exactly what I've been saying in the first place anyway.

This was in response to my comment that you didn't want to try a possible solution because you didn't want to do it, really. So... *motions back to the post before this one* Yes.

Have I offended you in some way?

To be honest, yes, actually, just by your attitude towards people who are trying to help you, but that's mostly my problem to deal with. I understand that it's your choice in the end, but my point is that, again, we're really trying to help. You already say you've diagnosed yourself and have come up with a way to cure yourself, but you ask for ways to ease your pain. When people keep coming up to you offering advice for how to take steps towards getting rid of the disease altogether, you respond by saying their advice is worthless, probably because you've gotten it so many times, probably because you're sick and probably a little irritable at the moment, and most definitely because we don't exactly know what you're trying or what your motivations for not doing X, Y, Z are (other than the fact that you've got a virus and that medicines aren't helping -- which is really the only thing I'm not really touching here because it's beside the point I'm trying to make), so we end up repeating ourselves because we're assuming you haven't tried X, Y, or Z. Yes, it's not good to make assumptions, but if you tell us what you're actually doing and trying and for how long, it might give us a heads up for which direction to go from here.

I found out what's wrong with me, I feel no reason to go unless it gets any worse than what I already have to deal with.

...And coughing your heart out and barely being able to eat isn't already worse than it should be? O_o

I have thanked people,

You've thanked a few people, but glancing back over this thread, you've offered the people who told you to go to the doctor's a line about how you don't want to trouble people, you asked EpsilonE if he was insane, detailed your symptoms and explained why offered remedies wouldn't work for several suggestions, and outright asked in this post (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=4832629&postcount=9) if no one knew anything to help you, after a few posts of suggestions and attempts to identify what it is you were going through in order to actually be of any service to you.

In other words, you might say thank you, but the rest of your posts/post content seem(s) to blow people off. That's probably not what you intended, but it does seem like that to some readers, which is probably why for half this page, you've been getting arguments (not only from myself, either).

however, you're not helping at all

Actually, I'm trying to help you by seconding pretty much a lot of the ideas people have said and attempting to reassure you that if you're worried about someone else, it's better that you go see a doctor. The reason why you don't think I'm trying to help is probably because that's not what you want to hear.

Frankly, I'm not trying to guilt you or force you to do anything except just reassure people that you're taking their advice into consideration. I know an illness doesn't exactly put you in the right mindset, but from what I've seen, you've been rather defensive towards people who are actually trying to help you. (Not in all posts. Just in a number of them that had advice you didn't exactly want to hear. For example, was it really necessary to bold the bit about not wanting to go to a doctor because of someone else's blood pressure?) Yes, some of it is repeat advice, but we all just want to offer the best help we can because you asked.

With that said, I might leave this thread alone, maybe even take things to VMs if you want to respond. I personally don't want to argue much further, and you seem to be in a defensive mindset in general at the moment. All I can say is if you've been able to look up what you have on the internet, you might be able to Google some remedies to ease your pain (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sore+throat+remedies&aq=0&oq=%22sore+throat%22+&aqi=g10) (link is just an example) as well.

Ineffable~
July 11th, 2009, 09:31 AM
I'm sorry, I know the illness is probably making you very irritable and paranoid, and I don't want to sound like a jerk, but here's the bottom line: You should just suck it up and see a doctor. All your symptoms sound very serious. Unless you want to die or be seriously injured, you should get the opinion that matters.

You say that you have no allergies, but an allergy can disappear or crop up at any time. You never know for sure unless you talk to a doctor. It's much better than making a thread about on a Pokémon forums, and getting answers from people who have little to no medical experience, then outright denying those answers anyway. It doesn't matter that you hate doctors. The pain (or whatever it causes you) of being around a doctor only lasts a little while, however if your condition persists you have much more physical pain to look to in the future, along with what you've already been prolonging. Doctors can help you. We cannot, either that or you will not let us do so.

Mr. X
July 11th, 2009, 10:21 AM
I know that this is not my place to ask but i have a few other points i want to make but they will only be valid if i get a certian answer from you.

So the question is... what year were you born?

Anyway one point i can make without this knowledge is this.

If you get sicker and continue to refuse medical help, and a person does call for a ambulence you MAY in theory be forced to receive medical attention. In some places you can be forced to receive medical attention if the doctors deem your condition dangerous enough to warrent it.

Greene1516
July 11th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Taken from the back of my Strepsils packet: Each lozenge contains: A combination of 2 antiseptics to fight the infections which can cause sore throats and mouth infections.

I've taken almost two whole packets since I've fell down with this and well, they really haven't helped at all. Not with any symptom. Again, I've tried some tablets and again, they've had no effect. Forget about tablets, I've taken some to know they don't work. Your right if I had a headache or a common cold, no problem there but unfortunately, my throat is the culprit and the virus prevents any medication from working.And now the bigger picture starts to unfold. Antiseptics are numbing agents, not anti-biotics. The fact that you don't understand the stuff you are saying speaks more words than all you have said so far. If are as sick as you say you are, you need help.

On top of that, you earlier said you were convinced that you had conjunctivitis yet now you are saying your throat is the culprit. Also, there is no such think as stopsmedicinefromworkingitis. I am now convinced that Mr.X is correct.

Fox♠
July 11th, 2009, 12:28 PM
I read up to where you said you have conjunctivitis/pink eye. I've had it before, go to your nearest pharmacist and tell them it's what you have and they'll give you some eye drops which will work wonders for you.

Mr. X
July 11th, 2009, 02:15 PM
When i saw antiseptics the only thing i could think of if the stuff they put in spetic tanks lol.

Anyway i am going to take shots on both sides now. It is possiable that the medication does not work. Its called, the virus just mutated into a stronger virus.

but really... If the OTC medication (Or even the UTC medication) has no effect then it is time to go to the doctors to get some stronger stuff.

Also... you've taken... some? In some cases with medication (And prescribed medication) it does take time for the medication to take affect.

Edit - also switchback... i've decided to make a comment about your response to a earlier post that i made.

If i was as sick as you you know what i would do? I would quit being emo about the whole thing and get some proffesional help.

Anyway the last thing i will say in this post is that... really... just grow up and get over your childish fears.

Gymnotide
July 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM
tl;dr, but viruses don't stop medication from working. It's just that a virus can never leave your body, which may or may not be a bad thing. You can cure the ailment and still have a virus hanging out in you, doing nothing.

Careful With That Axe, Pichu!
July 11th, 2009, 05:40 PM
Before anyone spouts "Go to a doctor, stop wasting our time." I have my reasons for doing this, another factor on top of the fact that I hate doctors.Do NOT seek medical advice on the internet. There is no rational excuse to do it. Many of us hate them, so don't be a wimp and go see a doctor. That's about the best advice I can possibly give you.

Switchback
July 11th, 2009, 10:41 PM
So essentially, you're all saying that I'm a liar and that I'm scared to go to the doctors, which is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far. I understand where you're coming from, I'm sick, I should go. However, I'm in a situation where doing so makes it difficult which I haven't explained fully in the thread, granted. Maybe because it's personal and I like to keep to myself. Regardless, I suppose your looking out for my best interests or maybe you all just don't give a damn. I'm fine about that, even if you think I'm being "emo" about the whole situation which in itself if stupid.

All I asked for is a way to relieve the pain because tablets and such don't seem to cut it at all. I didn't ask for advice on what would be best for me in the end, I understand where you're all coming from, but in the end I can't go because of certain circumstances which make it difficult. It's in no way because I'm "scared," far from it. Anyway, I realise yes I may sound cold and if I offended you, then I'm used to it. Apparently I "scare" quite a few people. Yes, I understand I shouldn't seek medical help over the internet but people seem to know the best alternative medicine, that's why I asked.

Whatever you think, if you've come to nag at me then ignore this thread completely like it was never here and I'll suffer in silence. As for my age, all I can say is stop treating me like a 5 year old. I have my reasons, however "emo" I may seem about them. People do have problems, not everything is a ray of sunshine like some peoples lives. No matter how many times you tell me to see a doctor, which I knew I should have done from the start, will actually make it happen.

Thank you anyway for looking out for me, even if your just telling me the same thing over and over which I can't do. Not won't. Yes I hate doctors but I never said I feared them. Don't assume things which are completely unfounded. Again, to everyone who suggested help, thank you. Now if everyone has nothing better to do but tell me what I should be doing, then don't bother replying anymore, it's simply not helping.

Captain Fabio
July 12th, 2009, 03:01 AM
Switchback, ignore the idiots that are calling you a lier.

It seems to me, from a quick read, that you have a Riboflavin B2 deficiency. Now, you don't have all of the symptoms, unless you aren't telling us all of them, because some can be embarrassing.
I don't know the reason for the hatred of doctors, but I think you need to seriously consider, is it a bit enough fear to risk pain and suffering?
Surly no fear can be that great? That is just me though.

If I was you, and it is easy for me to say, I would maybe ring up the NHS (If you live in England) or a hospital. That way, there is no physical contact. Get some advice and tell them your situation. You won't be the only one to have this phobia.

Hope this helps.
Let me know how it goes?

Mr. X
July 12th, 2009, 06:35 AM
So essentially, you're all saying that I'm a liar and that I'm scared to go to the doctors, which is the most ridiculous thing I've heard so far. I understand where you're coming from, I'm sick, I should go. However, I'm in a situation where doing so makes it difficult which I haven't explained fully in the thread, granted. Maybe because it's personal and I like to keep to myself. Regardless, I suppose your looking out for my best interests or maybe you all just don't give a damn. I'm fine about that, even if you think I'm being "emo" about the whole situation which in itself if stupid.

Ok then... explain the situation to us and we might change our opinions a bit.

All I asked for is a way to relieve the pain because tablets and such don't seem to cut it at all. I didn't ask for advice on what would be best for me in the end, I understand where you're all coming from, but in the end I can't go because of certain circumstances which make it difficult. It's in no way because I'm "scared," far from it. Anyway, I realise yes I may sound cold and if I offended you, then I'm used to it. Apparently I "scare" quite a few people. Yes, I understand I shouldn't seek medical help over the internet but people seem to know the best alternative medicine, that's why I asked.

You asked for a way to releive pain and we told you. Its called going to the doctor's and getting the proper medical dignosis and proper the proper medication(s) for your troubles.

And if you understand that you shouldn't then why are you doing it? You don't know what you got, I don't know what you got so why not talk to a medical professional about it? And there is no alternate to having to go to the doctor. Its a fact of life that you must go to the doctor some times.

Whatever you think, if you've come to nag at me then ignore this thread completely like it was never here and I'll suffer in silence. As for my age, all I can say is stop treating me like a 5 year old. I have my reasons, however "emo" I may seem about them. People do have problems, not everything is a ray of sunshine like some peoples lives. No matter how many times you tell me to see a doctor, which I knew I should have done from the start, will actually make it happen.


I'l stop treating you like a little kid as soon as you stop acting like one. And yet again, please, state these reasons of yours that are so important that you are putting you health and the health of those around you at risk.


Thank you anyway for looking out for me, even if your just telling me the same thing over and over which I can't do. Not won't. Yes I hate doctors but I never said I feared them. Don't assume things which are completely unfounded. Again, to everyone who suggested help, thank you. Now if everyone has nothing better to do but tell me what I should be doing, then don't bother replying anymore, it's simply not helping.

There IS no can't. Only won't. And we have offered you help. Its called stop posting on a pokemon forum about medical advice and seek professional help.
And how can we help you if you refuse to help yourself?



I'll restate the opinion of most of the more intelligent members who have posted on this thread. GET SOME PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL HELP

Jaimes
July 13th, 2009, 04:11 AM
tl;dr

Oh wow. Check out all the e-doctors armed with the power of Google. Seriously, if you want advice- taking advice from a bunch of teenagers who accomplished Biology in High school is not the way to go.

Your symptoms could be anything and until it's found out, you can't just use random meds to combat it. Professionals also are able to do a simple test for the most common/susceptible infections.

If you're truly in agony, an over the counter ibuprofen or paracetemol will relieve the pain from inflammation and possibly reduce a fever (if one is present), this will manage symptoms if it is infectious, but not control it.
Also 'alternative medicine' is named 'alternative' as beneficial effects (besides placebo) have been unproven, stick with real medicine and treatment or don't bother.

Also it's hugely unlikely you have a B2 deficiency unless you're a raging alcoholic or you live in the third world. Ignore that BS.
Finally, no one suggested Strep throat despite the age? Shame on you all. If it clears up about 5days from the start though...

Do NOT seek medical advice on the internet. There is no rational excuse to do it. Many of us hate them, so don't be a wimp and go see a doctor. That's about the best advice I can possibly give you.
^ Probably the only sensible post I've seen here. Doctors don't hate you back, they're just doing their job. Even if the symptoms go, it doesn't mean that you're in the clear as infections can still carry.


<--- btw I'm a med student and I gave you about as much useful advice you can find on a cereal box.

Switchback
July 13th, 2009, 04:42 AM
Jaimes, did you read what I put before? I'm not even going to bother repeating myself. Anyway, I know what I have now and I won't see a doctor. No one seems to be listening to me so I'm going to ask if a mod could please lock this thread because I feel like I've put up with this long enough. I understand what everyone is getting at but I didn't ask for your opinion about going to the doctors ect. Overall this is just making me feel worse and I don't appreciate being falsely accused of things which are completly unfounded. I asked for advice on here because it's a community, people might have been able to suggest ways to help ease my pain without the use of medicine based products.

Apparently I was wrong. If anything I've simply been chastised and accused of things wrongly, some immature enough to even take it to another level. If you don't agree with me, then you could have simply ignored this thread. The fact that you didn't and took your time to rant on me is immature in itself, don't you think?

I realise I may be acting quite cold, but if you were feeling and recieving this sort of dare I say it, abuse, wouldn't you? I never wanted this. I don't want this. So I'm going to ask a mod to please close this.

Again, thank you to those who actually gave me things to try that helped me, you've all been wonderful. As for the people who did nothing but accuse me and tell me the same thing over and over again in which I had personal reasons not to do, I hope you enjoyed whatever perverse pleasure you got out of this and I hope you're happy now. If anything, you've simply not helped at all.