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mew²
July 29th, 2009, 10:08 AM
Well, this has been a current argument (some how) with people. So here is what to discuss, is LimeWire illegal or just like any other file sharing site?

Here is what I really think. If LimeWire was so illegal, why has the government not shut down the program nor the site? That is what I really wonder.

So ehhh, discuss. And if moderators find this bad enough, feel free to close.

Pazuzu
July 29th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Because the program itself is not illegal, but what you do with it most of the time?

twocows
July 29th, 2009, 10:32 AM
It's not illegal to provide a program that indexes everything on your computer and puts it up for download to everyone else. It's illegal to download illegal files you find on someone elses' computer through the program, though. And yes, that is how Limewire works (at least last I checked); it indexes everything it thinks someone might want off your computer and makes it available for download; this includes private pictures or videos, password files, etc.

Edit: some people are saying it only indexes what's in your shared folder. I can't confirm or deny that, but I'd still recommend being careful.

mew²
July 29th, 2009, 10:45 AM
It's not illegal to provide a program that indexes everything on your computer and puts it up for download to everyone else. It's illegal to download illegal files you find on someone elses' computer through the program, though. And yes, that is how Limewire works (at least last I checked); it indexes everything it thinks someone might want off your computer and makes it available for download; this includes private pictures or videos, password files, etc.

Well the you have to have LimeWire to share files. The files must be in your sharing folder to share. That is all I know really.

.inLOVE
July 29th, 2009, 11:18 AM
That's why you often see porn videos on LimeWire. It takes private files and puts them on display for everyone.

And like Pazuzu said, the program isn't illegal, but what you download is.

Alinthea
July 29th, 2009, 12:02 PM
That's why you often see porn videos on LimeWire. It takes private files and puts them on display for everyone.

And like Pazuzu said, the program isn't illegal, but what you download is.
I have turned off all of my sharing so no one can see my files.
I have the "Private" in password protected folders anyway! XDDDDD

Like people said, the program isn't illegal.

Cassino
July 29th, 2009, 04:52 PM
And yes, that is how Limewire works (at least last I checked); it indexes everything it thinks someone might want off your computer and makes it available for download; this includes private pictures or videos, password files, etc.
It (supposedly) only puts up to share those files that are in the folders set in the options; newly downloaded files via LimeWire are part of that list by default as well.

DrCoolSanta
July 30th, 2009, 01:53 AM
Actually, LimeWire only puts those files on sharing that you want others to download and those files that you download off somebody else.
It works a lot like how torrents do, everybody who has downloaded the file from this the actual host contributes to any other downloaders.
It is not an illegal application since it doesn't let anybody else download anything, it is not file sharing site, its a p2p application much like bittorrent.

Its the files being shared that are illegal, not the application. The same reason that nobody can sue any p2p application creators, its not illegal to create a p2p application, however pirated data is.

For example, half of the bt trackers get sued for publishing illegal software, nobody can actually sue the protocol creators or the client. Another thing, it totally depends on the country too, there are few countries that allow you to download pirated data, but many countries allow you to upload pirated data. That's why "thepiratebay" gets away with countries like microsoft sueing it.

Besides it is one of the most pathetic p2p application anyway, there are others and bt always wins anyway.

>Feelings<
July 30th, 2009, 05:42 AM
If LimeWire was so illegal, why has the government not shut down the program nor the site? That is what I really wonder.Limewire isn't illegal in any way until anyone uses it in an illegal way, i.e. uses Limewire to get something that breaks the copyright law.
If you don't download something that breaks the copyright law, then it's not illegal.

Anyways, Limewire can never be shut down by Government that easily, because when buying it, the website makes people promise to not use it in any illegal way, but of course almost nobody would listen to that.
But the point is, the owners of the product have done their part of making it legal by this method, and in the end it's the user who gets to choose whether it is legal or not.

And yes, that is how Limewire works (at least last I checked); it indexes everything it thinks someone might want off your computer and makes it available for download; this includes private pictures or videos, password files, etc.

That's why you often see porn videos on LimeWire. It takes private files and puts them on display for everyone.

No, this perception is wrong.
Limewire only, and only shares those files that you choose to share by putting them up in the "shared" folder, and the things that you download using Limewire goes to the shared folder by default, so they can be downloaded by other people too, unless you move them to somewhere else.
Whoever says that it automatically takes your private things by itself is just not informed enough.


Anyways, Limewire isn't as good as it used to be anyways...

Little Monster
July 30th, 2009, 05:44 AM
Torrents are illegal, TPB (The Pirate Bay) had millions of torrents which were illegal, Limewire has some torrents but not millions mostly MP3's on there, so no it's not really illegal because TPB was shut down for being illegal but Limewire isn't.

machinegun777
July 30th, 2009, 08:59 AM
It's illegal, downloading and using music and software that cost money is considered stealing.

twocows
July 30th, 2009, 10:02 AM
It's illegal, downloading and using music and software that cost money is considered stealing.
Except it isn't, because Limewire doesn't host illegal downloads, it hosts a service that some people abuse to download stuff illegally. That's like trying to say Google is breaking the law because they index stuff that might be illegal.

Ayselipera
July 30th, 2009, 10:13 AM
I guess its not illegal if thats what everyone is saying... All I know is that it ruined my computer.

No limewire for me :D

Little Monster
July 30th, 2009, 10:33 AM
All I know is that it ruined my computer.
Ruined mine aswell. :( I'm only sticking up for it.

DrCoolSanta
July 30th, 2009, 10:33 AM
Torrents are illegal, TPB (The Pirate Bay) had millions of torrents which were illegal, Limewire has some torrents but not millions mostly MP3's on there, so no it's not really illegal because TPB was shut down for being illegal but Limewire isn't.
I'd like to point it out again, that torrents are for the same reason not illegal.

ThePirateBay had been shutdown during the lawsuite but its back up because its still not illegal. Anyway that has many reasons, one being that where they host it, its legal to upload data that would otherwise be considered illegal.

But anyway, the point is LimeWire is not illegal at all, just that, you should really feel bad for what we generally use it for. Downloading music and software isn't really a good thing to do, its unethical because it is stealing just like shoplifting and because it is illegal and even though govt. dowsn't take strict action, you never know.
You can't really make the shop illegal because people can shoplift, can you?
Secondly, someone who downloads illegal stuff is just as much as a criminal as the person who is providing it.
But who cares, not even the limewire staff, thats why you can download the LimeWire pro version off the free version.

donavannj
July 30th, 2009, 10:37 AM
Limewire is a legal security risk.

Disturbed
July 30th, 2009, 11:11 AM
First of all... Frostwire > Limewire.

Now, moving on, neither of those are illegal. If they were, they would have been offline ages ago.

twocows
July 30th, 2009, 02:54 PM
I'd like to point it out again, that torrents are for the same reason not illegal.

ThePirateBay had been shutdown during the lawsuite but its back up because its still not illegal. Anyway that has many reasons, one being that where they host it, its legal to upload data that would otherwise be considered illegal.

And because they don't host the stuff, they just index and track it. Other people are actually hosting the content, hence P2P.

mew²
July 30th, 2009, 03:46 PM
First of all... Frostwire > Limewire.

Now, moving on, neither of those are illegal. If they were, they would have been offline ages ago.

I really do not see the difference of FrostWire and LimeWire even though FrostWire has a built in chat system.

Johnny590
July 31st, 2009, 01:49 PM
If you look at it from the perspective if downloading music is illegal, well in that case, Jail's and Prisons are going to be floored with thousands of people worldwide.

It's a file sharing program, like many, it's legal. It let's you download the files you're looking for from other people and vice versa, you just need to be careful and decide weather or not you're going to allow people to access your files.

It all depends on the how the person uses the program, really. In my opinion, I don't think it's illegal if you aren't downloading the music, burning onto CD's, build a small stand near some market and sell everything at half the price the actual CD cost.

Because if you look at it from another angle, you are listening to that Artist/Musician's work, weather you payed for it or not. Sure, they worked hard on making that music, but I think most musicians today prefer getting recognized and have they're decent amount of fans instead of worrying how much money they make or takes to make they're songs. Because, let's face it, record sales when a new albums drops of a popular musician and concerts rake in a lot of money, and for some it's enough. Those who prefer to chase wealth and are only concerned of that instead of making music and having the fans enjoy it, are the kinds that complain about illegal downloading.

Personally, If I were in a band and KNOW for a fact, like most musicians today, that people download instead of buying music but they still end up listening what I made, I really wouldn't give a crap. xD

Also, emm.....Frostwire kinda sucks. :X

Anyways, I rarely use Limewire these days. I just use google to search whatever I'm looking for; weather it's music, pictures, comic books, games, programs, etc. ;P

Hehe, if you know how to type things correctly in google, you could basically find ANYTHING. xP

Dogboy2709
July 31st, 2009, 08:30 PM
It can be illegal depending on what you download. Also, I've heard from a good friend of my dad that Limewire is a very good source of VIRUSES. I don't use it anymore.

As to why the government doesn't shut it down..well, here in the US, it's pretty simple, Limewire's people are OVERSEAS. (my law teacher talked about this) The U.S. government can't shut down something overseas. it's out of their control.

Mitchman
July 31st, 2009, 08:36 PM
Meh its just a file sharing thing like anything. I don't even use it seeing how everything I search for comes up with porn but its as legal as anything. The only thing that is illegal is you using for illegal stuff. And when you start that you are a pirate:
http://www.cristgaming.com/pirate.swf

蜃気楼
July 31st, 2009, 08:54 PM
LimeWire itself is a tool, tools can be used for evil. It's about how you use it.

twocows
August 1st, 2009, 12:21 AM
LimeWire itself is a tool, tools can be used for evil. It's about how you use it.
Just to be contrary, tools can be illegal, as well. Technically speaking, machine guns are "tools," but most people can't legally get one (and for good reason, I would think).

processr
August 1st, 2009, 12:30 AM
Just to be contrary, tools can be illegal, as well. Technically speaking, machine guns are "tools," but most people can't legally get one (and for good reason, I would think).

But if a person was to murder someone with a kitchen knife, the knife itself is not illegal. Same applies for LimeWire.

Ascaris
August 1st, 2009, 03:25 AM
Limewire isn't illegal in the same way that emulators are not illegal. It's when you start using Limewire for downloading pirated music, movies, etc or use emulators to play illegal ROMS that you cross the line of legality.

donavannj
August 1st, 2009, 03:31 AM
Limewire isn't illegal in the same way that emulators are not illegal. It's when you start using Limewire for downloading pirated music, movies, etc or use emulators to play illegal ROMS that you cross the line of legality.

Though, as has been stated several times before in this thread, it is a huge security risk to those who have it installed. I can think of several people's computers that I've had to wipe because Limewire screwed theirs up.

DrCoolSanta
August 1st, 2009, 05:27 AM
Though, as has been stated several times before in this thread, it is a huge security risk to those who have it installed. I can think of several people's computers that I've had to wipe because Limewire screwed theirs up.
That's because you really didn't know how to fix it. Lets face it, if you aren't aware or don't know how to fix the problem, the first thing you do is wipe it. And almost every guy who comes over to fix problems with your PC only wipes everything and gives you a pirated copy of windows!
I know, there have been times when I have thought that something was wrong with my PC and had it wiped out only to realise that I could fix it. And I have also had times when the tech guys weren't able to fix problems and were gonna wipe it when I was able to fix my computer easily.

Limewire is no security risk, if you say that it lets others download your personal files, then that's not true. It has a specific shared folder which is often just not easily found otherwise that you could mistakingly put your files in it. And if you do put your files in a folder like that whose name is "Share" then you have to be totally dumb.
And if it puts all the files that you downloaded on sharing, then whats wrong with that, you just downloaded it!

And if you talk about viruses, then i will remind you that only a minority of the files found on p2p sites has a virus. And most of them are software, and secondly those are generally the keygens and cracks and all those thing. With a decent anti-virus and a brain, you should have absolutely NO problems.
The trash icon is there for a purpose, and limewire actually had a feature where you could check if a file is correct or not (some such option comes up when you right click) People actually mark downloads as virus infected and everything.
But one thing is true, limewire actually has more virus files than any other p2p application.
The main thing is that you could actually download a virus from a website, it really doesn't have to be limewire.

And I actually have stopped using it because of extremely indecent speeds and no results for searches of many files and songs. Personally decent bittorrent trackers have comments which is a really great feature since people can easilly spot them. On limewire only a few files have comments because the option is not so easy to spot. Secondly bittorrent has godly speeds and it increases with popularity. There are actually serious seeders there, on limewire you find them one day and the next day they aren't there.

Nothing is illegal about it, you can't blame limewire because its users host porn (it is illegal in some countries, like india) or music or movies. The example of the knife, you can't blame the company because murderers can use them to kill people.

donavannj
August 1st, 2009, 06:02 AM
That's because you really didn't know how to fix it. Lets face it, if you aren't aware or don't know how to fix the problem, the first thing you do is wipe it. And almost every guy who comes over to fix problems with your PC only wipes everything and gives you a pirated copy of windows!I've had them wipe it after establishing that I don't have the time to search for the problem myself, but I first tell them to back up their crap. Secondly, I make sure they have their factory restore disc. Thirdly, pirated copies are usually given out by those who aren't full-time practitioners or don't charge for checking it.
I know, there have been times when I have thought that something was wrong with my PC and had it wiped out only to realise that I could fix it. And I have also had times when the tech guys weren't able to fix problems and were gonna wipe it when I was able to fix my computer easily. Wiping is a last resort for me. I do contact the tech people I know for advice, though I usually wipe in the case of a virus because I do not have the time to hunt it down

Limewire is no security risk, if you say that it lets others download your personal files, then that's not true. It has a specific shared folder which is often just not easily found otherwise that you could mistakingly put your files in it. And if you do put your files in a folder like that whose name is "Share" then you have to be totally dumb.
And if it puts all the files that you downloaded on sharing, then whats wrong with that, you just downloaded it! It is a backdoor into your computer, and it is wrong to assume that hackers don't exploit backdoors. Most of today's hackers are paid professionals who want to use your computer to send spam email and such, and they are dedicated to finding security holes. These aren't your for-the-fun-of-it viruses of old.

And if you talk about viruses, then i will remind you that only a minority of the files found on p2p sites has a virus. And most of them are software, and secondly those are generally the keygens and cracks and all those thing. With a decent anti-virus and a brain, you should have absolutely NO problems.Problem is most people don't have an AV program, knowledge of what's not a friendly file type, and have a tendency to download what's popular without looking at it's file type. And there are millions of files on Limewire.
The trash icon is there for a purpose, and limewire actually had a feature where you could check if a file is correct or not (some such option comes up when you right click) People actually mark downloads as virus infected and everything.Not everyone is aware of this, though.
But one thing is true, limewire actually has more virus files than any other p2p application.
The main thing is that you could actually download a virus from a website, it really doesn't have to be limewire. While true, both are security risks, and more people have a sense of what's safe on the internet as opposed to on Limewire. And hackers on both utilize a thing called social engineering.

And I actually have stopped using it because of extremely indecent speeds and no results for searches of many files and songs. Personally decent bittorrent trackers have comments which is a really great feature since people can easilly spot them. On limewire only a few files have comments because the option is not so easy to spot. Secondly bittorrent has godly speeds and it increases with popularity. There are actually serious seeders there, on limewire you find them one day and the next day they aren't there.Well, BitTorrent is the tool of those that want to stick it to the system but don't trust Limewire. Personally, I have a distrust of both, based on personal experiences, though my friends have never had issues with BT.

Nothing is illegal about it, you can't blame limewire because its users host porn (it is illegal in some countries, like india) or music or movies. The example of the knife, you can't blame the company because murderers can use them to kill people.I never said Limewire was illegal. I just said it's a terrible risk to security, especially in the hands of someone who isn't computer savvy.

There's my response, in bold. ;)

twocows
August 1st, 2009, 09:07 AM
But if a person was to murder someone with a kitchen knife, the knife itself is not illegal. Same applies for LimeWire.
Yes, but I was simply pointing out that some tools are illegal. That doesn't mean every tool is illegal. It just opens up the possibility that some software may someday be outlawed.

DrCoolSanta
August 1st, 2009, 11:25 AM
I read your post and all I have to say, you really can't blame LimeWire for that. Basically because
The hacker can exploit almost any protocol, have others download his stuff in anyway, LimeWire is really not the only way.
Secondly you say that people are too technically illiterate, then a stupid person would just get hacked anyway.
And I still have to see a person with no AVs. Only when they have an AV but its not licensed or not updated or whatever of that sort.
I really don't disaggree with you, but I am just saying that someone who is not technically savvy is actually just going to be flooded with viruses anyway.
And windows is one OS, you open it to the internet with no Firewalls or AVs, they just get screwed up within minutes

Just the end thing, a hacker can't really send spam from your computer, because most of the IP addresses that a normal user can get are in blocked from all the leading mail servers, they don't even reach your spam box.

donavannj
August 1st, 2009, 08:54 PM
Just the end thing, a hacker can't really send spam from your computer, because most of the IP addresses that a normal user can get are in blocked from all the leading mail servers, they don't even reach your spam box.
What I mean by this is they snatch the passwords to any email address that is automatically signed into on the machine and use it for spam. ;) And the passwords of some online ones used on it.

DrCoolSanta
August 1st, 2009, 10:21 PM
A decent firewall should fix it, but yeah, firewalls are something not everyone has.

beauty. proletariat
August 2nd, 2009, 01:43 AM
On the subject of the Pirate Bay... what they are doing IS illegal, well, in the US anyway. Where their servers are located, it is not.

In the US, there are also laws against linking to copyright material that is illegal (an example is that linking to a poster of a movie is not illegal even though it is copyright, but linking to a place where you can download it, is.)

Zet
August 2nd, 2009, 01:58 AM
Wouldn't Sweden have the same copyright laws?

The Corrupt Plague
August 2nd, 2009, 02:55 AM
It's illegal, but I personally think its okay as long as you don't get caught

shining-Celebi
August 4th, 2009, 10:07 AM
Limewire itself...no.
It's just manipulated to be illegal.

Lucy Lu
August 4th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Limewire itself isn't illegal, but what you download from there is. People share their files and place them there so anyone can take them. When I had Limewire I set to a folder that didn't have anything on it expect the stuff I downloaded. The most stuff I downloaded was music. When I finish downloading I will move the file to a different folder. So I am not really giving away my folders to anyone.

When I took my computer down to Best Buy(It wasn't working, my monitor went blank. Didn't know what was going on.), Geek Squad told me Limewire is not a great program to have because it can give you viruses and mess up your computer. So I had to get rid of it.

So yeah Limewire isn't a good program to begin with. If you are not careful, your computer will be affected. But Limewire isn't illegal. And as long you don't get caught, it is alright.

Smitty96
August 8th, 2009, 07:32 AM
there are few countries that allow you to download pirated data, but many countries allow you to upload pirated data I think you got that backwards. People can get sued for uploading pirated data, but downloading it usually isnt considered a big deal, even though it is illegal.

Graceful
August 8th, 2009, 10:25 AM
But if a person was to murder someone with a kitchen knife, the knife itself is not illegal. Same applies for LimeWire.

Good example. It's not Illegal. The download is however.

Napalm
August 8th, 2009, 11:35 AM
The one thing that's quite pointless is the copyright infringement statement.

- "I Will Not Use LimeWire for Copyright Infringement"

And what happens? Lol

Benadryl
August 8th, 2009, 11:43 AM
LimeWire itself is not illegal but it is predominantly used for illegal purposes. LimeWire realizes this and yet does nothing to prevent it and takes no action on those who use the program for illegal file sharing.

KingAlex
August 8th, 2009, 11:49 AM
Hey wait. Its Illegal!?

My Mom downloaded it a while ago. ._.

So does that mean I must take it off...?

Benadryl
August 8th, 2009, 11:56 AM
Hey wait. Its Illegal!?

My Mom downloaded it a while ago. ._.

So does that mean I must take it off...?
No, the program itself is not illegal.

twocows
August 8th, 2009, 12:14 PM
Hey wait. Its Illegal!?

My Mom downloaded it a while ago. ._.

So does that mean I must take it off...?
It's like people don't even bother reading the posts anymore. I mean, if they did, the thread would have closed about five minutes after it started. No, it's not illegal. For the most part, downloading something you're supposed to pay for without paying for it is illegal, and if you use LimeWire to do that, you're probably breaking the law. There's really not anything more to discuss, it's quite simply as I've put it.

Tamaki
August 8th, 2009, 03:16 PM
Like most filesharing programs, limewire isn't illegal, but is often used in ways which are illegal. Limewire doesn't promote or condone downloading protected content, but it happens.

I copied that off Yahoo answers... XD

And, aside from legal issues, I wouldn't use LimeWire if I were you, because it WILL give you a virus.

Greene1516
August 8th, 2009, 03:57 PM
Hey wait. Its Illegal!?

My Mom downloaded it a while ago. ._.

So does that mean I must take it off...?

Firstly, it isn't illegal. It is a peer2peer based sharing system, that is that the files you download are coming from other people's machines.

On the other hand, even if it were illegal, that doesn't mean you have to take it down. Most downloading is illegal but really how many people do you know who have gotten pulled for it? How many authority figures outside of the companies have you heard that care? You get where I am going with this.

All that being said, I wouldn't download it anyway. P2P is notorius for virus spreading (especially trojans) and LimeWire is just bad at finding stuff anyway. Torrents are the way of the future.

Feign
August 9th, 2009, 05:33 PM
Wouldn't Sweden have the same copyright laws?

No Sweeden has more lax laws (hence the reason why ThePirateBay was not charged).

The one thing that's quite pointless is the copyright infringement statement.

- "I Will Not Use LimeWire for Copyright Infringement"

And what happens? Lol

That's just for liability purposes ;)

--

On a funny side note, in Canada, it is legal to download/file share music and movies, but illegal to upload them.

Zakarii
August 10th, 2009, 12:00 PM
I think it's as illegal as any other music sharing site/program. Other resources being more illegal than others is just silly. I personally don't like Limewire, as my computer got a virus from it, so I switched to uTorrent. It's much faster and reliable.

twocows
August 10th, 2009, 12:22 PM
I think it's as illegal as any other music sharing site/program. Other resources being more illegal than others is just silly. I personally don't like Limewire, as my computer got a virus from it, so I switched to uTorrent. It's much faster and reliable.
Except it's indisputably not illegal software. You can use it for illegal purposes, but it's not illegal in itself.

DakeDesu
August 10th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Okay... and a few notes:

Tools themselves _generally_ are not illegal--if it is possible to use them for legal things. Limewire can be used to distribute music, programs, artwork, etc., legally--that is, if the artist says it is fine and alright for it to be on there. Similar with Bit Torrent. Generally most of what I get on Bit Torrent is either near impossible to find (making the "you're a pirate for not buying it" hold a little less weight), or is sometimes only provided vai Bit Torrent. Certain Linux distro ISOs come to mind (for example, some of the spins of the various Fedora)

The example of the machine gun being illegal is not an applical one in this case. As the machine gun is _only_ able to be used to kill things. Other guns, can be used for this purpose, but you need to look at what you are killing. A rifle, can be used for hunting animals for the purpose of killing. A machine gun however cannot.

An in UK, they were looking to make knifes illegal BTW ~.^

Myself, I am in Canada, where _providing_ pirated stuff is illegal. However simply having this stuff on your computer is not. As long as you are not letting others receive the pirated data from you, you are fine under Canadian copyright/trademark/patent law. I will also note that many American companies have expressed how much they disagree with Canadian copyright law, and have expressed interest in making Canada be recognised as a country similar to China or Russia as far as piracy is concerned.

I think that is China, Russia and Canada were to team up, USA would need to realise it would no longer be a real world power at that point. Well, between Russia's military technology, China' populace and... well Canada's Health Care System? (I am really stretching her for what Canada could provide ^.^)

I still find it silly when people automatically look at a torrent or ROM and say, "OMG! Illegal!"--it is really the same sort of thing people said when they say an MP3 a few years ago back when Napster first started up. I am sure many of you have plenty of _legal_ MP3s on your system. Or for the more intelligent of you Ogg/Vorbis or Flac files ~.^

As per it being virus infected--in today's day and age I'd be more worried about spyware. And most people who get a lot of spyware tend to be _really_ silly about what the install on their computer, or even the sites they go to. I am still surprised that I ended up with a version of Ice Ape (a Debian equivalent to Mozilla Seamonkey) being filled to the brim with spyware. Not because the program itself was a bad one (IIRC, I got it directly from the etch repos--which is nearly impossible to grab spyware/trojans from that). It got infected after I went to a myspace page that was vandalised by Anonymous (since it was obviously a raid, I am guessing Rules 1 and 2 apply, so check out Ebaums world ~.^). I dunno, I didn't have to worry as long as I didn't run Ice Ape (I still had Opera, IE5, IE5.5, IE6 and Ice Weasel available to go by), and I never really removed Ice Ape for a while, as well, the person did their job, and I was dumb enough to let them. I also found it hilarious that they managed to specifically target _every_ possible browser that could have gone to that vandalised myspace page. I was kind of proud.

So while Limewire may or may not be a trojan or spyware itself, it is likely very that many people using it, have no clue as to how to protect themselves from spyware stuff like those silly "next generation smiles" or "Evony".

twocows
August 10th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Or for the more intelligent of you Ogg/Vorbis or Flac files ~.^
I can't think of any reason to use FLAC unless you're redistributing the audio. As for Vorbis, AAC is probably slightly better, and it has its open source implementations, too (though NeroDigitalAudio is probably the best free AAC encoder, tbh). Plus, it's more widely used.

Can we close this soon? The question's been answered about fifteen times by now.

sanny the hedgehog
August 10th, 2009, 08:23 PM
lime wire to me is like karma
its pretty much illegal but you get somthing from it
the bad side, pretty much every song has a virus on it
thats why i stopped using it

Feign
August 10th, 2009, 09:07 PM
lime wire to me is like karma
its pretty much illegal but you get somthing from it
the bad side, pretty much every song has a virus on it
thats why i stopped using it

Most of the errors associated with that have to do with the amount of KB/MBs in the file.

Like files that are supposed to be 700mb are 1kb... It is easy to identify the culprit.

Also in Canada, the government had planed to ammend the copyright law (so much so that people were outcrying about it, because of it's strange strictness; no I am not sure on that detail, best to look it up), needless to say an election intervened and the issue was not brought up again.

DrCoolSanta
August 12th, 2009, 03:15 AM
I just wanted to point out, I read a few posts about reccommendations to the government to ban it. Personally I say, don't, let it be there. Internet is not the only source of pirated media, rather a bigger problem is the shops that sell cheap CDs.
Don't get me wrong, but the government can't take a good action when it comes to things like this and we know what they will do. Ban P2P, do we want that, P2P protocols are the only good file transfer protocols that is cheap and has less overhead and bandwidth etc.

Think of China, they are too bad with this, half of the things are blocked, almost no MMORPGs, no P2P. The internet is almost only for information there.

Discussions like this is where conflicts arise, because like DakeDesu, even I feel that there are something that you can almost never find in shops. It is hard to find movies that were released in 1990s in shops now so what do you do, download it off BT no? And then BitTorrent is a nice protocol, here is India, Internet is not cheap and I live in one of the remote areas (university campus). With BT, I get almost 1.5x the usual speed.

Ofcourse there are somethings only meant for the smart people, Limewire gives enough features for its users to recognise useless files but for soemone who is careless, its a big hazard.

Think of youtube, it has music, movies, TV episodes. A tonne of stuff you would call illegal, we all know that those files are easilly downloadable. Now tell me, do you think of YT to be illegal.

beauty. proletariat
August 12th, 2009, 04:19 AM
I just wanted to point out, I read a few posts about reccommendations to the government to ban it. Personally I say, don't, let it be there. Internet is not the only source of pirated media, rather a bigger problem is the shops that sell cheap CDs.
Don't get me wrong, but the government can't take a good action when it comes to things like this and we know what they will do. Ban P2P, do we want that, P2P protocols are the only good file transfer protocols that is cheap and has less overhead and bandwidth etc.

Think of China, they are too bad with this, half of the things are blocked, almost no MMORPGs, no P2P. The internet is almost only for information there.

Discussions like this is where conflicts arise, because like DakeDesu, even I feel that there are something that you can almost never find in shops. It is hard to find movies that were released in 1990s in shops now so what do you do, download it off BT no? And then BitTorrent is a nice protocol, here is India, Internet is not cheap and I live in one of the remote areas (university campus). With BT, I get almost 1.5x the usual speed.

Ofcourse there are somethings only meant for the smart people, Limewire gives enough features for its users to recognise useless files but for soemone who is careless, its a big hazard.

Think of youtube, it has music, movies, TV episodes. A tonne of stuff you would call illegal, we all know that those files are easilly downloadable. Now tell me, do you think of YT to be illegal.

Youtube is not illegal and no one in their right minds will ever make it illegal as there is literally no ground to it!

a) They actually check whats on the website and delete some stuff that breach copyright laws (some videos by nigahiga were deleted, I think one of them is "How to be a Ninja")
b) Youtube is owned by google; even if there are grounds to it, I doubt it will be an easy fight for any country to ban.

Back on topic of Limewire, If it is banned, there will be ways around it (China: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=5mX&q=bypassing+censorship+in+china&btnG=Search&meta=)

Limewire cannot be reasonably banned in all first world countries.

Why? Political system, freedom of speech, privacy etc. These all count and Australia is an excellent example of it. The government is having a hard time enforcing censorship laws for internet use.

Not only that, people all around the world will be against censorship if it hits any of the first world countries as it means a direct threat to them.

Europe, Japan, and Australia are going to be affected first anyway if censorship laws do come... the US is much too hard to tackle due to its checkered system with the states and whatnot.

twocows
August 12th, 2009, 07:55 AM
Oh, most certainly Limewire should never be banned. Banning something for its potential to be illegal is a slippery slope. Limewire today, then what? Google, perhaps? You can certainly find illegal content on Google.