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True-Target
August 20th, 2009, 11:23 PM
My friends have been arguing about this for some time now. I want to hear from you guys what you think of this. The Question: Is Arcanine considered a legendary pokemon as in Mew, Entei, and Lugia.

AlphaMightyena
August 20th, 2009, 11:32 PM
if he was a legend-

he would be banned from the battle frontier
he would be hard to catch
have weird music playing when you encoutered him
although 555 is a respectable base stat it's at least 600 in a legend

but in the Anime, they thought he was in acient times

Captain Hobo.
August 20th, 2009, 11:41 PM
No i don't think he is a legendary but he is good.

Wolflare
August 20th, 2009, 11:42 PM
if he was a legend-

he would be banned from the battle frontier
he would be hard to catch
have weird music playing when you encoutered him
although 555 is a respectable base stat it's at least 600 in a legend

but in the Anime, they thought he was in acient times
Not all legendaries are banned, such as Latias, Latios, Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres, etc.
Some legendaries are pretty easy to catch.
Latias, Latios, Cresselia, and Shaymin all has normal music, rather then a different tune.

Anyways, Arcanine isn't legendary, only its species states it is. Arcanine was supposed to be a legendary when making generation one iirc, but I think they decided not to.

Redstar
August 20th, 2009, 11:58 PM
This topic has been discussed before, mostly concerning Unown. And the answer is, yes.

Check out the other thread, Normal Pokemon-Legendaries = Real Life Animals -Cryptids in this same forum, Pokemon General. In it we all discover the honor of Slowpoke and his legend.

Twisted Cuteness
August 21st, 2009, 12:48 AM
It's a legendary because of it's shisa-esque appearance

Wings Don't Cry
August 21st, 2009, 01:02 AM
It is Legendary because the Pokedex said so.

Chérii
August 21st, 2009, 01:30 AM
No, Arcanine is not a legendary Pokemon. It is classified as a legendary Pokemon, and is described in Chinese legends (as stated by various PokeDex entries) but it doesn't meet the "requirements" to be considered a legendary Pokemon. There are 35 legendary Pokemon, Arcanine is not one of them.

Most legends have the following characteristics:


In games, the trainer usually only has one chance of catching / obtaining such Pokemon. NO
The Pokemon usually has no gender. NO
Refuse to be bred by trainers. NO
Trainers rarely see such Pokemon. NO
The Pokemon are statistically some of the strongest in the game. YES
Do not have an evolution chain. NO
Held in higher regard in anime. NO

Arcanine only meets one of the common characteristics, but that characteristic could just be any Pokemon's general characteristic and may have nothing to do with it's legendary status (Togekiss, Garchomp).

Sakura Rain
August 21st, 2009, 01:39 AM
Be nice if it was. But no, Arcanine's not a legendary. It was supposed to be, but Game Freak decided against it.

The Red Chain
August 21st, 2009, 01:41 AM
if he was a legend-

he would be banned from the battle frontier
have weird music playing when you encoutered him
although 555 is a respectable base stat it's at least 600 in a legend

1. Not all legends are banned from the Battle Frontier, so that is untrue.
Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus are the banned Pokemon.
That leaves Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Latias, Latios, Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Heatran, Regigigas, and Cresselia unbanned.

2. Again, not a true fact. Shaymin is a legendary and normal wild Pokemon music plays when you encounter it.

3. About half legendaries have a base stat total of 600, and the other half have roughly 580. So that's about half right. As Cherii says, the 600 stat total legends are considered ubers.

To answer the main question, no, Arcanine is not a legendary. ^u^
It was believed to be a legendary in the Pokemon world's ancient times, but in truth it's not.

Chérii
August 21st, 2009, 01:45 AM
if he was a legend-

he would be banned from the battle frontier
he would be hard to catch
have weird music playing when you encoutered him
although 555 is a respectable base stat it's at least 600 in a legend

but in the Anime, they thought he was in acient times
Just clarifying, but you're getting you're definition mixed up with Ubers.

DonRoyale
August 21st, 2009, 01:46 AM
Arcanine is classified as a Legendary Pokemon.

Is it classified with the "ghost" classification of a legendary Pokemon (in that it's asburdly rare--usually only one per game--has insane stats, insane movepool, and insane badass factor that forces every n00b that sees it to hump its right leg)? No.

Its stats are decent. Very decent, at that.
Its movepool is a pile of shat. It's one of the Fire-types of the game that pretty much sucks, Flareon being the better example, just because of its movepool.
It does, however, have a trace of that insane badass factor.

However, it's nothing special to most, really...

Redstar
August 21st, 2009, 01:48 AM
No, Arcanine is not a legendary Pokemon. It is classified as a legendary Pokemon, and is described in Chinese legends (as stated by various PokeDex entries) but it doesn't meet the "requirements" to be considered a legendary Pokemon. There are 35 legendary Pokemon, Arcanine is not one of them.

Most legends have the following characteristics:


In games, the trainer usually only has one chance of catching / obtaining such Pokemon. NO
The Pokemon usually has no gender. NO
Refuse to be bred by trainers. NO
Trainers rarely see such Pokemon. NO
The Pokemon are statistically some of the strongest in the game. YES
In games, the trainer usually only has one chance of catching / obtaining such Pokemon. NO
Do not have an evolution chain. NO
In games, the trainer usually only has one chance of catching / obtaining such Pokemon. NO
Held in higher regard in anime. NO

Arcanine only meets one of the common characteristics, but that characteristic could just be any Pokemon's general characteristic and may have nothing to do with it's legendary status (Togekiss, Garchomp).
Nice job mentioning the same thing not only twice, but three times.

Plain and simple, Arcanine is a legendary.

Chérii
August 21st, 2009, 01:50 AM
Nice job mentioning the same thing not only twice, but three times.

Plain and simple, Arcanine is a legendary.
Copy n Pasta has failed me. :U

Loud and Annoying Pidgey
August 21st, 2009, 02:33 AM
Arcanine isn't a legendary, but it truly diserves to be.

Fishyman
August 21st, 2009, 05:28 AM
Arcanine is a lengendary. It has been since its first appearence.

The Red Chain
August 21st, 2009, 06:09 AM
Plain and simple, Arcanine is a legendary.

It's a pseudo-legendary.
In other words it's total base stat is very close to the lower stated legendaries [580], but it is not a legendary in any meaning of the definition.
Other pseudo-legendaries include :



Dragonite
Tyranitar
Salamence
Metagross
Garchomp

Arcanine's species classification does indeed say 'Legendary', but this is only because it was believed to be in the Pokemon world's ancient times.
But the definition of legendary in the Pokemon world is:

Legendary Pokémon are a group of extremely rare and powerful Pokémon (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon). In the Japanese version, there are three distinct terms used to refer to those Pokémon which are collectively called legendary in English. One, 伝説のポケモン (densetsu no Pokémon, lit. Pokémon of legend), refers to those which are featured prominently in legends, such as Groudon (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Groudon_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29) and Kyogre (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kyogre_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29). The second, 幻のポケモン (maboroshi no Pokémon, lit. Pokémon of illusions, translated as mirage Pokémon in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl_Versions)), refers to those so rarely seen that some question their very existence, such as Mew (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mew_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29) and Lugia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lugia_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29); an alternative definition restricts it only to Pokémon not available in normal gameplay. The third is 神話のポケモン (shinwa no Pokémon, lit. Pokémon of myth), which is a term applied to some of the legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh)

Everything I bolded is everything Arcanine is not.
Therefore, not a legendary.

Twilight Sky
August 21st, 2009, 06:14 AM
Nice job mentioning the same thing not only twice, but three times.

Plain and simple, Arcanine is a legendary.

You call that a legendary when it could be walled/defeated by so many things. :[ That's quite unethical of a legendary, dontcha think? Legendaries are supposed to be strong, now.

DonRoyale
August 21st, 2009, 06:15 AM
You call that a legendary when it could be walled/defeated by so many things. :[ That's quite unethical of a legendary, dontcha think? Legendaries are supposed to be strong, now.

Phione would like a word with you. :V

Twilight Sky
August 21st, 2009, 06:17 AM
Phione would like a word with you. :V

Phione being an obvious exception. >:o

ARE YOU HAPPY YET. ;;

Wait wait.

All of it's stats are base 80. That thing is strong. >o

WolfWrath
August 21st, 2009, 07:45 AM
Arcanine is classified as the Legendary Pokemon probably based on the poke dex, it says something like: Its proud and regal appearance has captured the hearts of people long ago. So people in the pokemon world must of considered it legendary way back in time 'cause of their 'legendary' appearances. Besides, they are quite powerful fire types IMO.

Citrinin
August 21st, 2009, 09:01 AM
If legendary is taken to mean

1. of, pertaining to, or of the nature of a legend.
2. celebrated or described in legend: a legendary hero.
(Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legendary))

Then no, Arcanine is not a legendary. Its existence is well-established.

Redstar
August 21st, 2009, 09:42 AM
It's a pseudo-legendary.
In other words it's total base stat is very close to the lower stated legendaries [580], but it is not a legendary in any meaning of the definition.
Other pseudo-legendaries include :



Dragonite
Tyranitar
Salamence
Metagross
Garchomp

Arcanine's species classification does indeed say 'Legendary', but this is only because it was believed to be in the Pokemon world's ancient times.
But the definition of legendary in the Pokemon world is:


Everything I bolded is everything Arcanine is not.
Therefore, not a legendary.
I already quoted all of that in another thread. I don't believe in "pseudo-legendaries" or legendaries; if a Pokemon is legendary, it's legendary.

You call that a legendary when it could be walled/defeated by so many things. :[ That's quite unethical of a legendary, dontcha think? Legendaries are supposed to be strong, now.
I never found Mew to be that strong, even though it was a Psychic in a time when Psychics were god. Power does not equal legendary status.

raulaun
August 21st, 2009, 10:11 AM
a lvl. one taillow could beat a level 100 arcanine.. so no.

Fishyman
August 21st, 2009, 10:16 AM
a lvl. one taillow could beat a level 100 arcanine.. so no.
http://thecraptastics.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/fail.jpg

Jad
August 21st, 2009, 10:16 AM
not sure
not found quickly in grass
battle style is like grantina, rayquazy...
strong pokemon

kinda like rotom or something

raulaun
August 21st, 2009, 10:22 AM
Fishyman, ive seen that exact image on 6 different posts, you fail at being unique.

Taillow lv. 1 with focus band (or was it sash?) using endeavor on 1st turn, it survives, taking enemy down to 1 hp than quick attacks the enemy poke k.o.ing it, endeavor is gotten from tutor/egg (I really dont know)

Redstar
August 21st, 2009, 10:25 AM
Fishyman, ive seen that exact image on 6 different posts, you fail at being unique.

Taillow lv. 1 with focus band (or was it sash?) using endeavor on 1st turn, it survives, taking enemy down to 1 hp than quick attacks the enemy poke k.o.ing it, endeavor is gotten from tutor/egg (I really dont know)
Prove it. Do the same exact thing in first or second gen... Can't? Didn't think so.

Fishyman
August 21st, 2009, 10:28 AM
Fishyman, ive seen that exact image on 6 different posts, you fail at being unique.
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that I should go out of my way to find you your own special "fail" image.

Would you like a lolipop with that?

GoldCold Ice
August 22nd, 2009, 02:40 AM
if he was a legend-

he would be banned from the battle frontier
he would be hard to catch
have weird music playing when you encoutered him
although 555 is a respectable base stat it's at least 600 in a legend

but in the Anime, they thought he was in acient times
Not all legendaries are banned, such as Latias, Latios, Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres, etc.
Some legendaries are pretty easy to catch.
Latias, Latios, Cresselia, and Shaymin all has normal music, rather then a different tune.

Anyways, Arcanine isn't legendary, only its species states it is. Arcanine was supposed to be a legendary when making generation one iirc, but I think they decided not to.




Yeah I agree its not only its species states it is

Idiot!
August 22nd, 2009, 08:01 AM
Just for the sake of counters.

If legends have only one chance to be caught, Rotom is legendary. RBY Lapras, Eevee, starters are legendaries. Platinum Giratina is not legendary.

If legends cannot breed, Lugia and Mew are not legendaries.

If legends are rare, Rotom, Clefable, RBY Lapras are legendary.

Arcanine boasts of being the Pokemon having the highest stats from just one evolution.

Druid
August 22nd, 2009, 08:21 AM
Fishyman, ive seen that exact image on 6 different posts, you fail at being unique.

Taillow lv. 1 with focus band (or was it sash?) using endeavor on 1st turn, it survives, taking enemy down to 1 hp than quick attacks the enemy poke k.o.ing it, endeavor is gotten from tutor/egg (I really dont know)

Sorry, I feel the need to prove you wrong.

First off, that technique could easily beat pretty much any legendary, so it doesn't prove that Arcanine isn't a legendary. However, if I am not mistaken, Arcanine learns the move ExtremeSpeed, which would, considering the fact that a level 100 Arcanine's speed is higher than the speed of a level 1 Taillow, allow Arcanine to defeat the Taillow before it could use quick attack.

So yeah, sorry about that.

Also, my opinion is that Arcanine is a lower class legendary, (I kinda just made that up XD) rather than a full legendary like Entei or Rayquaza. However, given only two options, I would place it with the legendaries.

Chérii
August 22nd, 2009, 12:06 PM
Just for the sake of counters.

If legends have only one chance to be caught, Rotom is legendary. RBY Lapras, Eevee, starters are legendaries. Platinum Giratina is not legendary.

If legends cannot breed, Lugia and Mew are not legendaries.

If legends are rare, Rotom, Clefable, RBY Lapras are legendary.

Arcanine boasts of being the Pokemon having the highest stats from just one evolution.
Okay, you seriously need to realize that it is the combination of different characteristics that make a Pokemon legendary. :/

Intoxicated
August 22nd, 2009, 01:58 PM
No. Arcanine is just a normal Pokemon with good stats. It evolves. It's not pseudo-legendary either. They all have three forms.

xxChazxx
August 22nd, 2009, 02:10 PM
Well, he is a legendary type, as seen in the Pokedex and on the card:

http://pokebeach.com/scans/base-set/23-arcanine.jpg

He is legendary, but not a legendary.

Always confused me.

Giratina ♀
August 22nd, 2009, 02:26 PM
It is literally the Legendary Pokémon in the Pokédex, but it isn't really considered a Legendary in the rung of me Mew and groupies.

Charmageddon
August 22nd, 2009, 03:13 PM
No. It is not a legendary. It is quite a strong fire-type that has some mythological links. It evolves, for starters. No legendaries evolve. You can get multiples in the same game. Unlike any legendary (apart from maybe Phione, but I'm not completely sure how that works). It is not at the lower end of the Pokedex. Legendaries are. Arcanine is not a legendary by any stretch of the imagination, nor is it a pseudo-legendary. Pseudo-legandaries are limited to five pokemon so far - Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Garchomp. Arcanine is an honourable mention on bulbapedia's pseudo-legendary page, no more.

a lvl. one taillow could beat a level 100 arcanine.. so no.

Only with F.E.A.R. A lvl. 1 Rattata could take out a lvl. 100 Arceus with F.E.A.R, doesn't mean Arceus isn't a legendary.

But still, Arcanine is not a legendary.

Just for the sake of counters.

If legends have only one chance to be caught, Rotom is legendary. RBY Lapras, Eevee, starters are legendaries. Platinum Giratina is not legendary.

If legends cannot breed, Lugia and Mew are not legendaries.

If legends are rare, Rotom, Clefable, RBY Lapras are legendary.

Arcanine boasts of being the Pokemon having the highest stats from just one evolution.

Lugia and Mew cannot breed.

ShadowDragon~
August 22nd, 2009, 04:30 PM
Arcanine is a legendary.. right...

It is described as a pokemon of myths, of legends, but it is not what people consider as legendary pokemon. Don't be so picky and lame about the "you can catch 2 giratina" and stuff-.-

If i can catch 50 of the same ledgedary pokemon in one day that would seem pretty special wouldn't it?

It evolves
It doesn't require an event
It isn't legendary powered (Some others aren't but does an Arcanine really look like a phione? phione was just an extra thingy ;)
Pseudoledgedaries are very powerfull uber pokemon which can match up to ledgedaries in a fair fight. (Not all uber, but not all ledgedaries are uber anyway)
And does this make growlithe legendary? Or is it a normal pokemon which evolves and become a legend?
And a whole lot of other stuff which all say my word is law and Arcanine isn't legendary ^^

I have spoken!

drivr3joe
August 22nd, 2009, 05:30 PM
No its arcanine isnt a legendary

Lance
August 22nd, 2009, 07:23 PM
Of course it's not a legendary Pokemon. :/

LegendMaster97
August 23rd, 2009, 12:41 AM
the legendary expert (me) says it isn't. it is a Psuedo- legend with salamence garchomp ect.

Kitsune Genetica
August 23rd, 2009, 02:17 AM
Arcanines are considered legendary, but not a true example, given the fact that there are known to be more than one. Consider it like this. Some real life religions worship certain animals, and the same could be applied to Arcanine, but Arcanine isn't worshipped as such, more revered.

Confused yet? :P

TundraCanine
August 23rd, 2009, 02:32 AM
Arcanine is merely described in legends. he is not a Legendary(evolutions, can breed, etc.)pokemon.

Redstar
August 23rd, 2009, 02:39 AM
Arcanine is a legend:

1.) Cannot be found in the wild

2.) Super-high stats

3.) And most importantly, described in legends

Twilight Sky
August 23rd, 2009, 02:48 AM
Arcanine is a legend:

1.) Cannot be found in the wild

2.) Super-high stats

3.) And most importantly, described in legends


Glaceon has super high stats. So does the following pokemon:

· Rapidash
· Espeon
· Alakazam
· Metagross
· Salamence
· Leafeon
· Tyranitar
· Yanmega
· Electivire
· Magmortar
· etc

According to your logic, these must be legends too lol, cause obviously they're super strong and cannot be found in the wild.

And that last comment? Someone takes pokedex entries very seriously lol. Also, did you notice that every legendary possible had their own movie? Why isn't one dedicated to Arcanine, I wonder?

Oh, right. It isn't a legendary.

Redstar
August 23rd, 2009, 02:51 AM
Glaceon has super high stats. So does the following pokemon:

· Rapidash
· Espeon
· Alakazam
· Metagross
· Salamence
· Leafeon
· Tyranitar
· Yanmega
· Electivire
· Magmortar
· etc

According to your logic, these must be legends too lol, cause obviously they're super strong and cannot be found in the wild.

And that last comment? Someone takes pokedex entries very seriously lol. Also, did you notice that every legendary possible had their own movie? Why isn't one dedicated to Arcanine, I wonder?

Oh, right. It isn't a legendary.
The stats isn't the final indicator. He also cannot be found in the wild and is described in legends, while those are not.

Oh, and Ho-Oh hasn't had a movie of its own. How about that?

Chérii
August 23rd, 2009, 02:53 AM
Arcanine is a legend:

1.) Cannot be found in the wild

2.) Super-high stats

3.) And most importantly, described in legends
1.) It cannot be found in the wild because it evolves from another Pokemon. Legendary Pokemon do not have an evolutionary chain.

2.) 555 is hardly super-high.

3.) There are two definitions of legendary. There is the "legendary" definition straight out of the dictionary (one that is described in legends), and Pokemon's own little definition of legendary (including the criteria to meet the requirements for being an official legendary Pokemon with the list of the 35 official legends). Yes, Arcanine is legendary because it is described in legends, but I'm pretty sure the main topic of this thread is to determine if Arcanine fits into Pokemon's definition of legendary (which would be a flat, no).

Twilight Sky
August 23rd, 2009, 02:57 AM
The stats isn't the final indicator. He also cannot be found in the wild and is described in legends, while those are not.

Oh, and Ho-Oh hasn't had a movie of its own. How about that?

One pokedex entry states that if you piss off a tyranitar, it goes on an endless rampage, tearing down moutains. Or at least it's said to.

Yeah, it's totally a legendary. No one ever saw it do this; it was just described.


Ho-oh is actually going to be featured in the upcoming 13th movie lol, someone obviously hasn't heard.

Redstar
August 23rd, 2009, 03:02 AM
1.) It cannot be found in the wild because it evolves from another Pokemon. Legendary Pokemon do not have an evolutionary chain.

2.) 555 is hardly super-high.

3.) There are two definitions of legendary. There is the "legendary" definition straight out of the dictionary (one that is described in legends), and Pokemon's own little definition of legendary (including the criteria to meet the requirements for being an official legendary Pokemon with the list of the 35 official legends). Yes, Arcanine is legendary because it is described in legends, but I'm pretty sure the main topic of this thread is to determine if Arcanine fits into Pokemon's definition of legendary (which would be a flat, no).
The term "legendary" was applied by the fandom. It can be as general or restricting as we want it to be... The Japanese version have three different types of the American "legendary", which includes many Pokemon.

One pokedex entry states that if you piss off a tyranitar, it goes on an endless rampage, tearing down moutains. Or at least it's said to.

Yeah, it's totally a legendary. No one ever saw it do this; it was just described.

Ho-oh is actually going to be featured in the upcoming 13th movie lol, someone obviously hasn't heard.
That entry doesn't state it's legendary. Tearing down mountains is cool, but not legendary.

I have heard, and that's retarded. There's a big different between a "cameo" and being "featured".

Twilight Sky
August 23rd, 2009, 03:06 AM
The term "legendary" was applied by the fandom. It can be as general or restricting as we want it to be... The Japanese version have three different types of the American "legendary", which includes many Pokemon.


That entry doesn't state it's legendary. Tearing down mountains is cool, but not legendary.

I have heard, and that's retarded. There's a big different between a "cameo" and being "featured".

Then what makes Arcanine so special? Being mentioned in legend is cool, too.

Still doesn't make it a legendary.

The movie circulates around Lugia battling ho-oh. I doubt a fight like that is going to show for only five seconds. :[

Redstar
August 23rd, 2009, 03:16 AM
Then what makes Arcanine so special? Being mentioned in legend is cool, too.

Still doesn't make it a legendary.

The movie circulates around Lugia battling ho-oh. I doubt a fight like that is going to show for only five seconds. :[
Arcanine isn't special. But he's the focus of legends, as is the great Slowpoke, so he should be honoured.

Deoxys and Rayquaza battled in the Deoxys movie, but Rayquaza was merely there as a cameo. He was not the focus of the movie.

Twilight Sky
August 23rd, 2009, 03:19 AM
Arcanine isn't special. But he's the focus of legends, as is the great Slowpoke, so he should be honoured.

Deoxys and Rayquaza battled in the Deoxys movie, but Rayquaza was merely there as a cameo. He was not the focus of the movie.

Wait slowpoke is a legendary now? what is this i dont even...

I hope you know, cameos happen to be quite brief.

Rayquaza and Deoxys battle = like more than half the movie.

Redstar
August 23rd, 2009, 03:23 AM
Wait slowpoke is a legendary now? what is this i dont even...

I hope you know, cameos happen to be quite brief.

Rayquaza and Deoxys battle = like more than half the movie.
Yes, Slowpoke has been legendary since Gold and Silver... Unless you never played the games?

Well I only saw 10 minutes of that movie, so meh.

The Red Chain
August 23rd, 2009, 06:46 AM
Power does not equal legendary status.

The only thing that even makes Arcanine come close to being legendary is it's power.
So then why do you say it is legendary if power 'does not equal legendary status'? ]:

Uhh. Read my posts... Legendary-focus = Legendary-status.

Arcanine has legendary focus?
Now I've seen everything.

Redstar
August 23rd, 2009, 06:51 AM
The only thing that even makes Arcanine come close to being legendary is it's power.
So then why do you say it is legendary if power 'does not equal legendary status'? ]:
Uhh. Read my posts... Legendary-focus = Legendary-status.

True-Target
August 23rd, 2009, 07:00 AM
Wow, thanks guys! This much post will help my friends understand. But, they still stick to what they say about Arcanine.

Kepov
August 23rd, 2009, 08:08 AM
It's funny how you can just take a fire stone and evolve your common Growlithe.. it's not legendary. I think that when they made him in the anime they thought about putting it as a legend but after that they didn't PROOF:In the Pokedex entries, only Gen I-II has him as legendary.

But you have to be a good trainer to have an Arcanine(Anime fact) that's why not many peoples have him and as a matter of fact putting him as rare.

ShadowDragon~
August 23rd, 2009, 02:12 PM
Alright fine, ill just catch six growlithes and get an all legendary team in fire red/leaf green (forgot which one has vulpix) before the fourth badge?

Sure...

изм
August 23rd, 2009, 05:59 PM
Gah. It is classified amongst Legends ; just because the ancient being and PokeDex entries say such things doesn't make him a Legendary, he is a Legend but does not come under the Legendary Specie of Pokemon ; If he's a legend, cool then, i may also catch lot's of Growlithe buy Fire Stone's and make him evolve into Arcanine, and Ta da! i've got so many Legendaries, All those who think that Arcanine is a Legendary they are Weirdo's~ Enough said. Period.

Chérii
August 23rd, 2009, 06:13 PM
The term "legendary" was applied by the fandom. It can be as general or restricting as we want it to be... The Japanese version have three different types of the American "legendary", which includes many Pokemon.I think you know what term of legendary that this thread is referring to. :/
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Mew
Mewtwo
Entei
Raikou
Suicune
Lugia
Ho-oh
Celebi
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Cresselia
Darkrai
Manaphy
Phione
Regigigas
Heatran
Shaymin
Arceus

They are included in the official legendary Pokemon. I think we can agree on that.

Arcanine is a Pokemon of myth.

Fishyman
August 23rd, 2009, 06:30 PM
Gah. It is classified amongst Legends ; just because the ancient being and PokeDex entries say such things doesn't make him a Legendary, he is a Legend but does not come under the Legendary Specie of Pokemon ; If he's a legend, cool then, i may also catch lot's of Growlithe buy Fire Stone's and make him evolve into Arcanine, and Ta da! i've got so many Legendaries, All those who think that Arcanine is a Legendary they are Weirdo's~ Enough said. Period.
Shut up, Toto, you know you agree with me.

Arcanine is a Pokemon of myth.
Myths aren't real, and Arcanine is a catchable Pokemon, so it technically cannot be a myth.

Oh hey, double posts automatically merge. Ain't that nifty?

Chérii
August 23rd, 2009, 06:35 PM
Myths aren't real, and Arcanine is a catchable Pokemon, so it technically cannot be a myth.
Myths can or cannot be real. It can't be verified. And I never said Arcanine himself was a myth, I said the little "story" behind him was a myth.

Fishyman
August 23rd, 2009, 08:23 PM
Myths can or cannot be real. It can't be verified. And I never said Arcanine himself was a myth, I said the little "story" behind him was a myth.
Oh, my bad then. I see what you mean.

Riggzyd
August 23rd, 2009, 08:57 PM
Pretty sure he is cause on the 2nd episode
Ash comes tot the Poke center of Viridian City in Kanto you see in the background before Oak calling Ash you will see the ORIGINAL 4 legendary Pokemon
MOLTRES ARTICUNO Ho-Oh i think then ARCANINE
Arcanine wth? i guess he is a legend

Wolflare
August 23rd, 2009, 09:24 PM
Because of its high stats, its species (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Species), and the fact that it was illustrated in an ancient slab along with the legendary birds (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_birds) in the second episode (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP002), it could be theorized that Arcanine was originally planned to be part of the legendary trio in first generation games; possibly even the birds' trio master (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Trio_master).
^ Arcanine was originally planned to be a legendary, but Game Freak decided not to apparently. They then just gave it the legendary species (and that would then give thousands of people ideas lol).
Because of how brief and uninformative the description of a Pokémon often is in its species, and how little the species relates to other data, it is not often regarded as an important piece of information about a Pokémon.
Yeah, I am using Bulbapedia, but all this is true.

And, no where in the anime, manga, etc does it state that he is a legendary. Iirc, Pokemon.com had a discussion for this, but they considered not a legendary Pokemon. Oh, and lets not forget Arcanine's Pokedex number is no where legendary group (at the end of the gen. one Pokedex). Arcanine can evolve, there is NO legendary that can evolve. :|

Edit: I think I already posted...

True-Target
August 23rd, 2009, 11:12 PM
I'm starting to understand. But, my friends kept on saying: "Your species is human. So, that makes you human. Arcanine species is legendary which make him legendary pokemon." Every pokemon is classified in some way. Doesn't make Arcanine any different.

Tbird
August 23rd, 2009, 11:56 PM
I reckon he was planned to be used as a legendary as already speculated, however due to the abundant use of the pokemon growlithe in amongst the police people and other trainers they couldn't use him in that way. 1) because it would be too much of a regular occurance to see an Arcanine, the legendaries are supost to be one off pokemon. 2) it Evolves (well growlithe does).

But I can see why you could be misleaded into thinking it was a legendary, I too have thought about it alot before.

And don't forget legendary can mean so many different things in different contexts.

Pokeyomom
August 23rd, 2009, 11:59 PM
Arcanine is a pimp. all this semantics stuff is just crazy- Of course he's not legendary! But the term psuedo-legendary would be appropriate.

изм
August 26th, 2009, 05:13 AM
It is not a Legendary. Topic Finished. Gah.

1. Arcanine's can Breed to have small Puppies, i.e Growlithe's.
2. They have Genders.
3. They are Evolved from a basic Pokemon i.e Growlithe.
4. It's Stat's aren't that close to the Official Legendary's.
5. It doesn't require a Special Event or such to be Caught in the Games.

So i don't understand why you people still stick to you point that he is a legendary, when it is clear it's not.

xxChazxx
August 26th, 2009, 09:23 AM
It is not a Legendary. Topic Finished. Gah.

1. Arcanine's can Breed to have small Puppies, i.e Growlithe's.
2. They have Genders.
3. They are Evolved from a basic Pokemon i.e Growlithe.
4. It's Stat's aren't that close to the Official Legendary's.
5. It doesn't require a Special Event or such to be Caught in the Games.

So i don't understand why you people still stick to you point that he is a legendary, when it is clear it's not.

It's actually very reasonable to mistake it for a legendary, given the decription of it's type:


Well, he is a legendary type, as seen in the Pokedex and on the card:

http://pokebeach.com/scans/base-set/23-arcanine.jpg

He is legendary, but not a legendary.

Always confused me.

DarkAbsolX
August 26th, 2009, 04:43 PM
Arcanine it's strong, but it's nota legender..he could be :)

Jad
August 26th, 2009, 05:16 PM
yes kinda a legandary pokemoon

jwexler
August 27th, 2009, 05:39 AM
yes. the pokedex classifies him as legendary.

The Scientist
August 27th, 2009, 08:08 AM
It is not a Legendary. Topic Finished. Gah.

1. Arcanine's can Breed to have small Puppies, i.e Growlithe's. Manaphy → Phione.
2. They have Genders. Heatran, Latios, Latias.
3. They are Evolved from a basic Pokemon i.e Growlithe.
4. It's Stat's aren't that close to the Official Legendary's. Arcanine's base stat total is 555, which is close to the Weather Birds'/Legendary Beasts'/Golems'/Lake Trios' 580.
5. It doesn't require a Special Event or such to be Caught in the Games. Rotom and Spiritomb do, and they're not on the Legendary list.

So i don't understand why you people still stick to you point that he is a legendary, when it is clear it's not.

Pick better arguments next time.

He is legendary, but not a legendary.

That sounds about right.

pokemaster21
August 28th, 2009, 10:23 PM
but in its pokedex entry it says legendary pokemon in its species.

LDUK
August 28th, 2009, 10:37 PM
It clearly sates Arcanine as a Legendary as its species. But, it doesn't really seem to be. I didn't think it was but it does say it is. I don't think it's been clearly explained in any game or episode, therefore it's a confusing situation. You'd have to ask the creators to get the real truth. But for now I would say it is a Legendary, just poorly explained or emphasised.

killer95
August 29th, 2009, 02:00 AM
god arcanine and dragonite were originally suppose to be legendary reasons they were left out

arcainine evolves plus jennys have growilthe and gary has one which would be ridiculous that some new trainer would have a legendary

im 90% sure dragonite was suppose to be legendary too but was left out b/c of evolutions and whatnot maybe b/c of the one in the first movie

Redstar
August 29th, 2009, 02:04 AM
god arcanine and dragonite were originally suppose to be legendary reasons they were left out

arcainine evolves plus jennys have growilthe and gary has one which would be ridiculous that some new trainer would have a legendary

im 90% sure dragonite was suppose to be legendary too but was left out b/c of evolutions and whatnot maybe b/c of the one in the first movie
No.... Just no.

The games were made first. The argument that they were "once legendaries", but that was changed because of preevolutions and presence in the anime is moot. The anime was made after the games, so everything was already decided. And if Game Freak wanted to make Arcanine or Dragonite legendaries, they could have. Having preevultions wouldn't have prevented that. They could have just removed them.

Seriously, people. Think.

The Scientist
August 29th, 2009, 09:19 AM
You know what's funny? Take a look at the confirmed Legendaries' species.

Notice anything odd?

None of them say Legendary.

Conclusion: the Pokemon's species has nothing to do with whether or not it is a Legendary.

изм
August 29th, 2009, 12:04 PM
Ok great it's Legendary, if you guy's want to believe it's legendary , why the hell are you even debating and Neiteio don't try to get aggressive i'm clearing my points.

Fishyman
August 29th, 2009, 04:30 PM
Ok great it's Legendary, if you guy's want to believe it's legendary , why the hell are you even debating and Neiteio don't try to get aggressive i'm clearing my points.
He's not getting aggresive, you're being an idiot.

изм
August 29th, 2009, 06:36 PM
:P

Fishy i know you love me but Arci is not Legendary, my Simple point is, if it's Legendary why isn't it much Popularized..? , i mean c'mon t's pretty easy to get in games and it is often seen in the anime..? so why uneccesarily try to prove something which isn't correct..? :\

Poison Pokemon Rule
August 30th, 2009, 02:39 AM
No its not a Ledgendary btw if it was one it would be an only form pokemon

True-Target
August 30th, 2009, 08:17 AM
I for one do not think arcanine is a Legend. Arcanine is just a normal pokemon. It's not like they make statues of him like Latios and Latias.

Fishyman
August 30th, 2009, 09:02 AM
:P

Fishy i know you love me but Arci is not Legendary, my Simple point is, if it's Legendary why isn't it much Popularized..? , i mean c'mon t's pretty easy to get in games and it is often seen in the anime..? so why uneccesarily try to prove something which isn't correct..? :\
Because it can go either way.

Arcanine is a legendary by all means, except fans which are Pokemon such as Rayquaza.

So basically, from your point of view, you're correct, and others are wrong, while in their point of view, you're wrong and their right.

Basically, it's a stupid thing to argue about.

The Scientist
August 30th, 2009, 10:15 AM
>Neiteio don't try to get aggressive i'm clearing my points.
>Nature: Docile

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3741/laughingelfmangw1.jpg

g.narron
August 30th, 2009, 12:38 PM
He was counted as a semi-legendary in red and blue hes not really a legendart just like dratin and dragonaior and snorlax

sab
August 30th, 2009, 12:59 PM
It is a legend as in like a kracken, but it is not a legendary pokemon. By that I mean that arcanine has legends written about it but is not a legendary as such.

AlphaMightyena
August 30th, 2009, 02:22 PM
Arcanine Would have made a great fire type legend.

Fishyman
August 30th, 2009, 02:52 PM
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3741/laughingelfmangw1.jpg

His index finger looks like a penis.

Painter
August 30th, 2009, 02:57 PM
arcanine is not legendary but he deserver to be

The Scientist
August 30th, 2009, 10:30 PM
His index finger looks like a penis.

Yet ANOTHER reason why >laughingelfman.jpg is so awesome.

Charizard★
August 30th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Its not, it might have been but its not.

Hamilton
August 30th, 2009, 10:53 PM
growilths are relatively easy to catch, and Growlith>arcanine... sooo.... no
that'd be like saying bidoof was worth anything other than the title HM Slave... it doesn't work

KnilShadowLink
August 31st, 2009, 04:45 AM
Erm as much as I love Arcanine, and it's glory, I don't consider it a Legendary. Although it's Pokedex does says so, and it was shown on a tablet with Articuno, Moltres, and Zapdos I still don't think that it's a legendary. (ARCANINE POWER!!!!)