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Haunter Master
August 26th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Every time somebody makes a thread in the Trade Corner that should be posted in the quick trade thread, I report it, like I was told. But lately there have been more and more. And reporting is useless because the mods never respond until hours later. So I do what I believe is right, I tell them it should be in the quick trade thread. Most of the time they retaliate with stuff like "Nobody looks at the quick trade thread!" I respond back to them saying it's still breaking the rules. And what do I get? I get warning after warning from Ursula, and now an infraction. I have done absolutely nothing wrong. So I ask you.
Y U DO DIS?

Seriously, why? What did I do to warrant an infraction? If you're not on, and my reports go unanswered, what am I to do? Seriously tell me, because I just don't know anymore. I guess I'll sit back while the trade corner becomes a cesspool of threads like "I NEEDZ A TODILE!!!!111eleventy1!"

Gummy
August 26th, 2009, 08:51 PM
Moderators have lives, my friend. When you report a post, you can't expect their rule-breaking senses to tingle and drop everything they're doing to attend to it. When you start preaching the rules to other people, it's called minimoding, which is against the rules. If you're really unhappy with your reports not being answered, contact someone on higher staff trough PMs and they might handle the problem.

SpiderCarnage
August 26th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Just ignore those threads & let the mods do there work & you just go hang out & relax reporting so many threads is useless, it's kinda like telling on you brother every 5 seconds he did this ect..ect... just leave it be unless it's a super hostile post

Haunter Master
August 26th, 2009, 09:07 PM
Moderators have lives, my friend. When you report a post, you can't expect their rule-breaking senses to tingle and drop everything they're doing to attend to it. When you start preaching the rules to other people, it's called minimoding, which is against the rules. If you're really unhappy with your reports not being answered, contact someone on higher staff trough PMs and they might handle the problem.

No I don't expect them to drop everything and help, but even if they are online it usually takes an hour or more for them to do something about it.
Example: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=192344
This thread was made on August 25th, one whole day passed before Ursula closed it. I reported that thread while she was online, and hours later, she was still on, and it was still open. I'm not asking for them to be on here 24/7. But if they have the time to PM and VM all their little friends, they have time to close thread that are not supposed to be there, because here's the secret: It's their job to do so! I got a warning for saying "Reported, have a nice day :)", W. T. F. That's not minimodding, that's saying "you did wrong, so I reported you so a mod can take care of it so I don't get in trouble." But guess what, I did. Things have changed here in 4 years. Being polite never called for a warning before.

jigglyppuff8
August 26th, 2009, 09:28 PM
Reported, have a nice day. :)

That adds nothing to the discussion going on in that thread. That may not be exactly mini-modding, but it is spam. Also, to me, that sounded sort of like you were attacking them for not reading the rules. It's kinda like saying "You're fired, have a nice day. :)"

Sure, being polite is cool and all, but posting something along the lines "Welcome to Pokecommunity! Enjoy your time here! :D" over and over again in the New Users / Welcome section would probably get you a warning even though it is polite.

Haunter Master
August 26th, 2009, 09:38 PM
That adds nothing to the discussion going on in that thread. That may not be exactly mini-modding, but it is spam. Also, to me, that sounded sort of like you were attacking them for not reading the rules. It's kinda like saying "You're fired, have a nice day. :)"

Sure, being polite is cool and all, but posting something along the lines "Welcome to Pokecommunity! Enjoy your time here! :D" over and over again in the New Users / Welcome section would probably get you a warning even though it is polite.

And yet go into any welcome thread, and what do you see?

You know what, forget it. I just won't report any threads for a few days, apparently I'm the only one who does, so lets see how filled up it gets with crap.

Also I have been fired like that, and it softens the blow a lot less then "You're fired, get out!"< Been fired like that also. Then got called in for an apology because they caught who really was stealing from work.

Aurafire
August 26th, 2009, 09:52 PM
You know what, forget it. I just won't report any threads for a few days, apparently I'm the only one who does, so lets see how filled up it gets with crap.


1. What makes you think you're the only one who reports threads?

2. It's not your responsibility to report threads, the system is there to help out the mods of that section, not so that regular members can feel good about themselves. You don't have to feel obligated to do it O.O

Caring about the section you frequent and reporting threads is one thing, but complaining about the jobs the mods do there is unnecessary, especially for something as small as mods not closing threads right when you report them, which isn't a big deal at all. Making threads like this isn't useful at all to the staff, who are really the only ones who understand how well the forums are doing in terms of moderation, not regular members. Trust me, I've been there =(

Rukario
August 26th, 2009, 10:12 PM
I don't think he was complaining about the mods doing their jobs so much as he was for getting infracted for reporting threads/posts.. Any user should not have to fear using the report button (unless grossly abused on purpose) nor communicating with any of the mods, especially in a section they frequent often.

The added posts stating "reported" and so on was a bit unneeded but not to the point of an infraction IMO.

Noah Ridgewood
August 26th, 2009, 10:15 PM
If you're not on, and my reports go unanswered, what am I to do? Seriously tell me, because I just don't know anymore. I guess I'll sit back while the trade corner becomes a cesspool of threads like "I NEEDZ A TODILE!!!!111eleventy1!"
You do nothing. Its not your job to do anything. And to be honest, I'm confused why you care so much over a thread like that. I didn't know people were so intertwined with things like this in the trade corner, but if you have something against n00bs like I assume you do, I'm afraid there isn't anything you can do anyway. Besides, say you were a moderator and had the right to tell people in your forum not to do something. Say that person was a n00b who made something like that that's getting you all heated up. Do you honestly think that a n00b would respond to you? No. What makes you think they'll respond to you when you don't have a shiny badge or a colored/bolded username?

I think you need to find other things to worry about than reports going unanswered, omg. :| Get out of the house for a while or something because that's not something you should be all heated up over considering you're on a forum with kids half your age. What did you expect?

Rukario
August 26th, 2009, 10:20 PM
o.o

A bit harsh there Patchisou.. ya think? we ain't a sppf.
He's only trying to be a helpful member.. I didn't see any signs of n00b bashing.. or 'mini' modding besides the oh you're reported posts, which I've already said are unnecessary.

Noah Ridgewood
August 26th, 2009, 10:26 PM
Just my opinion on the matter.

beauty. proletariat
August 26th, 2009, 10:40 PM
I think this is a result when both parties want one outcome, but one believes its superior to the other and wants credit.

Just to point something out;

a) the report button, if you use it... dont post in the thread. You're going to bump it, and then have about 20 more reports for the same thread, and more bumps :/ VM the person or PM them because i'm sure the people that are mindlessly posting are new and aren't familiar with the ru;es/

b) mods are not supposed to stalk their own section and have snipers set up to kill newbies. They are moderators for a reason, not because they have no life. So i think mod-bashing on that basis is kinda worthless.

c) even if you dont report, mods will look at it anyway. I think report post is actually made for genuine threads that have many posts so that mods will know if there is a useless post in the middle somewhere so that they can delete it.

d) (to the mods) i think a caution, then a warning, then infraction would have been better since it wasn't really a bad offence except annoying you guys :/

Vindy
August 26th, 2009, 10:40 PM
Every time somebody makes a thread in the Trade Corner that should be posted in the quick trade thread, I report it, like I was told. But lately there have been more and more. And reporting is useless because the mods never respond until hours later. So I do what I believe is right, I tell them it should be in the quick trade thread. Most of the time they retaliate with stuff like "Nobody looks at the quick trade thread!" I respond back to them saying it's still breaking the rules. And what do I get? I get warning after warning from Ursula, and now an infraction. I have done absolutely nothing wrong. So I ask you.
Y U DO DIS?

Seriously, why? What did I do to warrant an infraction? If you're not on, and my reports go unanswered, what am I to do? Seriously tell me, because I just don't know anymore. I guess I'll sit back while the trade corner becomes a cesspool of threads like "I NEEDZ A TODILE!!!!111eleventy1!"

You do nothing. Its not your job to do anything. And to be honest, I'm confused why you care so much over a thread like that. I didn't know people were so intertwined with things like this in the trade corner, but if you have something against n00bs like I assume you do, I'm afraid there isn't anything you can do anyway. Besides, say you were a moderator and had the right to tell people in your forum not to do something. Say that person was a n00b who made something like that that's getting you all heated up. Do you honestly think that a n00b would respond to you? No. What makes you think they'll respond to you when you don't have a shiny badge or a colored/bolded username?

I think you need to find other things to worry about than reports going unanswered, omg. :| Get out of the house for a while or something because that's not something you should be all heated up over considering you're on a forum with kids half your age. What did you expect?

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a forum member to be concerned about how a forum is being used. Unfortunately the method employed when attempting to deal with these instances is a breach of forum rules: it requires off-topic posting. Of course it's not my job to tell you how to do yours, but in a situation like this I think a little discretion is required. What Haunter Master is doing is against anti-spam rules, but he's only doing it to raise awareness of what some would consider a more important part of correct forum usage, which is proper topic placement. If the thread is then deleted then it doesn't matter what it contained in the first place, and if it's moved you can (I assume) split the first relevant posts from the others and then delete the remainder, so the danger of setting a negative example is reduced, and I believe the reinforcement of correct topic placement is more important than a breach of spam rules, because he's not doing it to cause disruption, he's doing it to try and get people to think a little before posting.

parallelzero
August 26th, 2009, 10:50 PM
d) (to the mods) i think a caution, then a warning, then infraction would have been better since it wasn't really a bad offence except annoying you guys :/

From the words of the thread creator himself:

I get warning after warning from Ursula, and now an infraction.
According to him personally, he had been advised against doing it multiple times before the infraction. So, in my opinion, the infraction will still stand. He chose not to heed the multiple warnings given to him, so it's his own fault.

Noah Ridgewood
August 26th, 2009, 10:54 PM
I don't recall stating that it was wrong of him to post a thread addressing the matter. But going about it just because his report was gone unanswered for three hours (he reported the thread at 7:15 PM EST August 26th, and the report was filled at 10:33 PM) is what is getting to me. I don't think that's such a long time to wait considering the fact that all of the moderators in that particular section weren't online at that time.

And... what he's doing is not at all against anti-spam rules. Not at all. Addressing matters regarding the community isn't at all spam-ful (unless this thread is addressing his infraction, in which case he should consult either the staff member who infracted him or consult a higher up regarding the matter). So why you're saying this is spam is really confusing me considering that you replied to it.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make (but clearly didn't get through) was that he shouldn't worry about the time of how long something takes nor should he try to address something such as that. Seeing as he's been around since 2003, you'd expect him to know that. My post was not at all against what he was posting but why he posted it. Especially since he was warned not to do what he did beforehand.

So, all of what you're saying in the last sentence wasn't needed at all as I didn't find him disrupting anything. Try rereading my post or something because you.. most likely didn't get the point of what I was posting. :|

@Vindy: When did I say it was wrong of him to post that? All I said was that he shouldn't take matters into his own hands and let the people in charge handle it. He already got warned prior to the problem not to mini-mod, yet he does it anyway. It's not his job, he shouldn't have to worry about it. Report the thread and move on. Don't try to take matters into your own hands, it'll only get you in trouble, as it clearly did.

Vindy
August 26th, 2009, 11:13 PM
Sorry, I should've made it clear that that "you" was a generalised plural you referring to moderators rather than a specific singular you referring to, well, you.

I feel as though I will regret this post in the future...

Sajuuk
August 26th, 2009, 11:17 PM
Every time somebody makes a thread in the Trade Corner that should be posted in the quick trade thread, I report it, like I was told. But lately there have been more and more. And reporting is useless because the mods never respond until hours later. So I do what I believe is right, I tell them it should be in the quick trade thread. Most of the time they retaliate with stuff like "Nobody looks at the quick trade thread!" I respond back to them saying it's still breaking the rules. And what do I get? I get warning after warning from Ursula, and now an infraction. I have done absolutely nothing wrong. So I ask you.
Y U DO DIS?

Seriously, why? What did I do to warrant an infraction? If you're not on, and my reports go unanswered, what am I to do? Seriously tell me, because I just don't know anymore. I guess I'll sit back while the trade corner becomes a cesspool of threads like "I NEEDZ A TODILE!!!!111eleventy1!"

No I don't expect them to drop everything and help, but even if they are online it usually takes an hour or more for them to do something about it.
Example: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=192344
This thread was made on August 25th, one whole day passed before Ursula closed it. I reported that thread while she was online, and hours later, she was still on, and it was still open. I'm not asking for them to be on here 24/7. But if they have the time to PM and VM all their little friends, they have time to close thread that are not supposed to be there, because here's the secret: It's their job to do so! I got a warning for saying "Reported, have a nice day :)", W. T. F. That's not minimodding, that's saying "you did wrong, so I reported you so a mod can take care of it so I don't get in trouble." But guess what, I did. Things have changed here in 4 years. Being polite never called for a warning before.

And yet go into any welcome thread, and what do you see?

You know what, forget it. I just won't report any threads for a few days, apparently I'm the only one who does, so lets see how filled up it gets with crap.

Also I have been fired like that, and it softens the blow a lot less then "You're fired, get out!"< Been fired like that also. Then got called in for an apology because they caught who really was stealing from work.

All I see from you Haunter Master is a thread where you want to rant about the moderation here. Trust me, rant threads don't work and only serve to earn you another infraction and the thread being locked, in my experience.

Also, I don't know why you are getting het up over an infraction. Deal with it, nothing will happen eg the world won't blow up when you get banned. Talk with Ursula and try and sort it out with her. She might just reverse the infraction if you're nice and polite to her. :)

beauty. proletariat
August 26th, 2009, 11:34 PM
From the words of the thread creator himself:


According to him personally, he had been advised against doing it multiple times before the infraction. So, in my opinion, the infraction will still stand. He chose not to heed the multiple warnings given to him, so it's his own fault.

ah :x

then there is no fault in the staff's judgement.

@haunter: like its been suggested by spey, you're best off taking it directly to the moderator / staff member that issued the warning/infraction. Even if you get a delayed response, you will get one that is much more accurate.

Mitchman
August 26th, 2009, 11:47 PM
So let me get this straight. You are complaining because a moderator warned you to stop posting in threads and to stop harassing the thread makers for breaking the rules then continued ignoring the warning which resulted in a perfectly fine infraction? If so then does that really make sense at all? Its what mods are for and if they cannot work at it right away what can be done? The Wifi and DPPt sections are the most hectic spam filled areas and nothing can be done if the job isn't done right away.

Melody
August 27th, 2009, 12:00 AM
You've got a point mitchman.

For Wifi and DPPt to remain spam free, we'd need about 50 mods there...and I don't think ANYONE on higher staff wants to scout out 50 mods. Doing such would be such a headache that it's unbelievable.

Personally, I have to agree that it's not worth the trouble to have that many mods, even recruiting one extra moderator would be a hassle. Not to mention that the current moderators there do their best job, they can't be there 24/7 to snap up reports.

And all of that goes without saying all of the unspoken rules between staff members which I certainly won't mention here. If you're not astute enough to pick up on THOSE then I can't help ya in that department. Such topics aren't exactly within my expertise area.

Sansa Stark
August 27th, 2009, 01:33 PM
The added posts stating "reported" and so on was a bit unneeded but not to the point of an infraction IMO. But I warned you several times. ^^;
I even told you via PM :(

And, yet, you still did it! What am I supposed to do, let you do as you please just because you think you know better? D:
That wouldn't be right at all v_v;!!

He's only trying to be a helpful member.. I didn't see any signs of n00b bashing.. or 'mini' modding besides the oh you're reported posts, which I've already said are unnecessary.In occasions, they resulted in the Thread Creator reacting negatively, which just led to an argument between the two about the rules. ^^;

And, why waste one's time arguing and such when one could just report something and a moderator can manage it? I mean, that's what we moderators are here for, right? To moderate. :)

This thread was made on August 25th, one whole day passed before Ursula closed it. I reported that thread while she was online, and hours later, she was still on, and it was still open. I'm not asking for them to be on here 24/7. But if they have the time to PM and VM all their little friends, they have time to close thread that are not supposed to be there, because here's the secret: It's their job to do so!
Unless I'm on my phone, I always do reports as soon as I see them. ^^
And, sorry. u_u; I started school on Monday, so I mean yeah :'(! Sorry!
I can only do so much - I'm only human, after all. :D
I got a warning for saying "Reported, have a nice day :)", W. T. F. That's not minimodding, that's saying "you did wrong, so I reported you so a mod can take care of it so I don't get in trouble." But guess what, I did. Things have changed here in 4 years. Being polite never called for a warning before.
Um, if you can tell me how on earth that pertains to a thread about trading, then I will consider your complaint valid. Otherwise, I'm sorry. You were going off of topic, and I had previously asked you not to, I believe.

If I recall correctly, in another post, you mentioned "I don't care if I get a warning for this", or something to that extent. So, it seemed to me that you were blatantly disregarding what I had asked you previously. :)
Thus, I'm shocked that you are actually somewhat surprised that you received such an infraction. Just saying bb.

Have a nice day~~

PorcelainDoll
August 27th, 2009, 02:11 PM
Can't we all just get along? Newbs will be Newbs and I think its up to people who have been on awhile to try and guide them to following the rules. Some of them want to argue with you....like the "offending newb" did in the above thread...and thats fine. Eventually they realize that posting multiple threads....and trading hacks is not a wise thing to do here and will eventually will result in them having threads closed or eventually getting banned...

So I agree with whoever stated a thing to do would be to pm them and tell them to post in the quick trade thread if they are posting multiple threads...or if they are trading hacks to tell them we don't condone that here...Try to be the nice guy. After doing that all you can really do is report them and leave it to someone who has the ability to deal with it...and go along on your merry way. If you get obsessed over things that are so minuscule then your life is going to be a train wreck, so like they say "don't sweat the small stuff."


Hugs everyone xxxxx

.Seth
August 27th, 2009, 02:16 PM
To sum it up, don't feed the troll, kids.

NarutoActor
August 27th, 2009, 03:17 PM
This is the big thing about PC that rele ticks me off I agree 100% with
Haunter Master you browsing your favorite forum and you see it being spam, I dont know if its just a few of us but I cant turn my cheek and say o well a mod will get it and there are just not enough mods to deal with all of the crap that nubies make so a simple "dude wrong section fix this up here is how you fix it is not "mini modding it helping the forum and helping the mods have less work and usaly the nubie fixes it thats it the end of story its the mods fault there the ones taking this out of proportion were just helping out sorry if I am not a mod but I am a member he at PC with 500 post so I have invested a lot of time into this site thats why I get so mad at getting a warning for helping
I see that I am with the minority on my opinion so plase dont leave a mean replie
I feel good now that I got this out of my stystem I have kept this inside my self for a wile
if mods can just see were not trying to mini mod or take your job just to make this site better for everyone think of use as help not bothers

Sansa Stark
August 28th, 2009, 03:56 AM
So I agree with whoever stated a thing to do would be to pm them and tell them to post in the quick trade thread if they are posting multiple threads...or if they are trading hacks to tell them we don't condone that here...Try to be the nice guy. After doing that all you can really do is report them and leave it to someone who has the ability to deal with it...and go along on your merry way. If you get obsessed over things that are so minuscule then your life is going to be a train wreck, so like they say "don't sweat the small stuff."
I'd advise against that, tbh.
I saw where someone did that recently, and they got a rather snarky PM being somewhat condescending to the person who did that, and then the person who originally sent the PM reported it.. and XD;

Haunter Master you browsing your favorite forum and you see it being spam, I dont know if its just a few of us but I cant turn my cheek and say o well a mod will get it and there are just not enough mods to deal with all of the crap that nubies make so a simple "dude wrong section fix this up here is how you fix it is not "mini modding it helping the forum and helping the mods have less work and usaly the nubie fixes it thats it the end of story its the mods fault there the ones taking this out of proportion were just helping out sorry if I am not a mod but I am a member he at PC with 500 post so I have invested a lot of time into this site thats why I get so mad at getting a warning for helping
But when I ask you not to, that doesn't mean you have the right to do whatever you want anyway, does it? :)
I mean, face it. With that logic, there might as well not even be moderators at all. D;
I apologize for myself, and other moderators when I say I cannot be active 100% of the time. I do have a life, and if it takes a minute, an hour, or even a day for a thread to be closed, at least it's being closed! ^^;

Patience. :)

NarutoActor
August 28th, 2009, 07:57 AM
I am not getting angrey that your not online i am angrey that we get preinitialized for trying to help

LethalTexture
August 28th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Another unfortunate thread seemingly hating on the D/P/P moderators. =[

HM, I've known you for a while now and you're a sound guy, so anything I say that follows this is nothing against you personally.

See, this all boils down to the idea of 'mini-modding'. The entire point of the report system is to notify the moderators of an offending thread and walk away. Most reports do not get done instantaneously, as we sort them out when we visit PC. I know I haven't been around as much as I used to, but I still come online every day and sorting out reports is the first thing I do unless I am extremely busy.

But back to the point, as has been said, if you post telling the OP where the thread should have been posted, this is classed as minimodding and is frowned upon in our section (and i daresay everywhere else), even though I understand you are only trying to help. Likewise with the posts telling them that you've reported them; this is just spam and offers nothing. I reiterate; the reports system is there for a reason. One way or another, said report is rectified, but obviously we will do with them what we deem necessary, i.e whether we agree with where the report states the thread should be.

We can't get everywhere, and I know for a fact that some of you guys think we do lacklustre jobs. But D/P/P can be a stressful place to moderate at times and we get on with our jobs as best we can and we don't take them for granted, as we know what a responsibility it is to moderate those forums. You are completely entitled to complain about how we run things or how well we're doing if you see fit, and that applies to anybody, not just you, HM. But, in this case, Ursula was completely right to infract you.

I hope this cleared a few things up.

NarutoActor
August 28th, 2009, 02:16 PM
thats the thing you said mini modding is frowed on that all it should be frowned on something that is disliked not something you give an infraction for

Speed
August 28th, 2009, 03:11 PM
thats the thing you said mini modding is frowed on that all it should be frowned on something that is disliked not something you give an infraction for
Mini-modding is frowned upon on because all it does is bump up the thread for other people to post in it, and it's considered spam. Just report the topic and move on.

Sansa Stark
August 28th, 2009, 03:52 PM
Well, minimodding is essentially spam, and spamming is against the rules. :C

øbliteration
August 28th, 2009, 04:37 PM
thats the thing you said mini modding is frowed on that all it should be frowned on something that is disliked not something you give an infraction for

erm...

This is a list of possible infractions, how many points they're worth, and how long they last...
...Constant SPAM (judged at discretion of staff)

Mini-modding is SPAM, and it was constant.

Now assuming the information in this thread is accurate, that said user had been given warnings before the infraction, it makes sense to me