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Zet
September 20th, 2009, 03:45 AM
As the title states, it's an experience system to level up by posting, being active, giving people points and earning points. And this will be the fun new "abused" system which people can show off who they love more! I don't see any possible way this system could be abused in any way

For more information about this check out the thread here (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=171014)

Kazukii
September 20th, 2009, 03:52 AM
Sounds good to me. I'm all for it.

øbliteration
September 20th, 2009, 06:25 AM
After reading the thread, doesn't this put emphasis on post count when one thing of this forum has been "oh it doesn't matter at all?"

The 3rd party addons look cool. Maybe for a get-together or something.
I dunno.

Taziko
September 20th, 2009, 06:31 AM
Oh no please no. I've never hated a vbulletin add-on more than this. I think it really does nothing and it looks ugly - especially in the postbit. Maybe if you could just make it in a tab, like the Emblems then it'll be okay. I'm against this though.

Zorua
September 20th, 2009, 06:40 AM
Okay. I support this idea, and let me explain why:

· Emphasis on Postcount - This add-on, as stated, gives extra emphasis on postcount. Postcount is pretty much one of the only things that cannot be abused in any manner besides spamming, in which it's part of the staff's job to take care of that anyway. Therefore, with that stated, this is leaving this vBExperience system basically abuse-proof; seeing as you can't really abuse postcount in any fashion whatsoever besides spamming, and that factor pretty much won't change(the life of a forum, right?), it's not going to hurt anyone to add this.

· A different kind of posting atmosphere - With the vBE, we can expect pretty much a new atmosphere when it comes to the posting experience; hopefully this includes hosting events that take advantage of this system, therefore making it a lot of fun, ya? :D It's giving postcount a bit of meaning to it, but no! Not in the negative manner! I can only see mindless spamming from this for a while, but if controlled, this is perfectly fine!


...Whew, enough typing all this on a Wii. x_x;

Avey
September 20th, 2009, 06:48 AM
I was against this until I read cookie's post. Maybe it's worth a shot?

Cello
September 20th, 2009, 06:51 AM
That's cool! Now if it's implemented I can pretend pokecommunity is a MMO and that will kill my urges to get addicted to Ragnarok again.

Cherrim
September 20th, 2009, 08:15 AM
Oh no please no. I've never hated a vbulletin add-on more than this. I think it really does nothing and it looks ugly - especially in the postbit. Maybe if you could just make it in a tab, like the Emblems then it'll be okay. I'm against this though.
haha, same here. Based on aesthetics alone, I'm giving a definite no. :(

Though even if we found a way around the ugly postbit, I'm not so sure. What would we even offer as shop prizes? Most "perks" we have to offer are already used to entice donations.

Zorua
September 20th, 2009, 08:18 AM
haha, same here. Based on aesthetics alone, I'm giving a definite no. :(

Though even if we found a way around the ugly postbit, I'm not so sure. What would we even offer as shop prizes? Most "perks" we have to offer are already used to entice donations.

As a person that has tested it out on an old forum, yes, there is a way around the ugly postbit.

Azonic
September 20th, 2009, 08:36 AM
I'd like it if it was less ugly. =(

.Seth
September 20th, 2009, 08:39 AM
I'm not sure about this. On one hand, it seems like a good thing, but on the other hand, I know there will be more spam. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like a nice add-on, but it seems useless.

What would we really do with the points other than trade them in for prizes? And as Lightning said,

Most "perks" we have to offer are already used to entice donations.

If you ask me, it'd just deter donations, by members possibly getting supporter perks, which means less money for the forum. It'd make the supporters mad because people are getting what they paid good money for, for free.

It seems more work than its worth, because either:
A) We don't install it.
B) We install it, and the staff might have to adjust the supporter perks in order to get more donations, which is good for the already-existing supporters, but would be a lot of work for the staff, due to them having to converse over what perk should change to what. Multiply that for 6 tiers, and that's a lot of work.

Mitchman
September 20th, 2009, 08:51 AM
I say its worth it. Doesn't Audy have something like that in his posts? And it really would be the extra oomph PC needs right now IMO. And a shop and all would be nice.

Taziko
September 20th, 2009, 09:22 AM
haha, same here. Based on aesthetics alone, I'm giving a definite no. :(

Though even if we found a way around the ugly postbit, I'm not so sure. What would we even offer as shop prizes? Most "perks" we have to offer are already used to entice donations.
A shop sounds a lot more reasonable, but still I can't get round the feeling that most vB addons are pointless. If there were a system that could benefit us, then I would love to see is introduced - probably as a supporter perk. Even the shop would get boring after the first two months, I would think.

Pazuzu
September 20th, 2009, 09:31 AM
Why not just use it without any "perks"? Crazy idea I know.

Taziko
September 20th, 2009, 09:34 AM
Why not just use it without any "perks"? Crazy idea I know.
You mean to use it for all the members? I would have thought the staff would want to use it for supporters since they deserve it by donating to the community.

parallelzero
September 20th, 2009, 09:34 AM
After supporting bringing rep back and having the general member populace abuse it for a second time, I'm going to have to give a hearty no here. You can argue spam'll only happen at first, and over time less and less people will abuse it, but those are all arguments we used for rep abuse when we decided to bring it back. We need to learn from history, and as history shows: introducing something that separates members further into "ranks" is not a good idea.

Doesn't Audy have something like that in his posts?
Trust me, that doesn't make it right. XD

Bay Alexison
September 20th, 2009, 09:41 AM
Pretty much agreeing on the reasons why this vBexperience system won't work here, at least on a big forum like this. The donators are already getting the perks for contributing to PC, so not sure if there's any more perks. Another reason is I see some people are going to abuse this system like the rep system. True the staff can look out for spam posts and such, but if this system is put in place then it might make them do more unnecessary work. I can see this system working better for a smaller forum though as it can bring some activity.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
September 20th, 2009, 10:06 AM
The problem I have is that all of the ways to earn points seem to be quite easily exploitable:

- Days online: there areplenty of people who join, disappear for years, and then come back much later

- Social group members: I can see a lot of "everybody join this group to get loads of points" groups forming

- Friends: plenty of people already send random friend requests to EVERYBODY they see and most newbs will accept them.

- VMs: people could spam their own profiles

- Album pictures: i see lots and LOTS of uploading random pictures for no reason other than to earn points.

- referrals: ...hmm...I'm not sure if that could be abused much, actually. Unless people referred themselves under several different usernames

- completing profiles: similar to pictures, people would just spam every section with one or two random letters and cash in their points.

Timbjerr
September 20th, 2009, 11:20 AM
I've been to forums that use similar point systems in lieu of postcount, and one thing can be said for a system like this: It does reward members that actually get involved in the forum community...creating thought provoking threads just to get their thread views up, hanging around their analog of our CQ&F forum waiting for the chance to help a n00b so they can receive positive reputation, and generally being cool and friendly in order to expand their friendslist. :P

Not saying that the bulk of PC members nowadays aren't helpful and friendly, but a system like this would let the most helpful and friendliest PC members get recognized, because, I'll be honest, postcount is a worthless barometer of a member's activity, especially if half their posts are in the DCC.

the only thing I worry about is if the points my old account has earned can be transferred to this account. XD

Ineffable~
September 20th, 2009, 11:43 AM
The problem I have is that all of the ways to earn points seem to be quite easily exploitable:

- Days online: there areplenty of people who join, disappear for years, and then come back much later

- Social group members: I can see a lot of "everybody join this group to get loads of points" groups forming

- Friends: plenty of people already send random friend requests to EVERYBODY they see and most newbs will accept them.

- VMs: people could spam their own profiles

- Album pictures: i see lots and LOTS of uploading random pictures for no reason other than to earn points.

- referrals: ...hmm...I'm not sure if that could be abused much, actually. Unless people referred themselves under several different usernames

- completing profiles: similar to pictures, people would just spam every section with one or two random letters and cash in their points.
^This. It would just create a whole new dimension of spam, if you think about it. :T
I also agree with Erica and http://www.pokecommunity.com/customavatars/avatar93177_27.gif (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=93177)非常に高いレベル (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=93177). The add-on just looks complicated and kinda...icky. xD It's just ugly, really. What I like about Pokecommunity is its sleak design, how it doesn't look like all those other forums with the annoying looking...stuff. I don't know, hard to explain, really...

I say its worth it. Doesn't Audy have something like that in his posts? And it really would be the extra oomph PC needs right now IMO. And a shop and all would be nice.
lolwut? Audy has a few special priveleges, he's allowed to do annoying things. xD And, like Parallelines said, just because Audy does it doesn't mean we should all jump on the bandwagon and create a wall of condensed WTF, you know?

Zorua
September 20th, 2009, 11:50 AM
After supporting bringing rep back and having the general member populace abuse it for a second time, I'm going to have to give a hearty no here. You can argue spam'll only happen at first, and over time less and less people will abuse it, but those are all arguments we used for rep abuse when we decided to bring it back. We need to learn from history, and as history shows: introducing something that separates members further into "ranks" is not a good idea.


Trust me, that doesn't make it right. XD

Um David.

You do know rep was very easy to abuse, right? Spread <number here> of rep and I can totally give that person like 60+ rep points! Awesome! I can repeat this 9001 times for some epic results.

Postcount on the other hand, can only be abused through spamming. There's a difference, y'know.

Ausaudriel
September 20th, 2009, 01:14 PM
Installing this would conflict with a future addon I have in the works for PC.

Just saying.

Zet
September 20th, 2009, 02:21 PM
Installing this would conflict with a future addon I have in the works for PC.

Just saying.
You did a better way of rejecting my idea than Jake did!

But I can't wait to see your addon

Angela
September 20th, 2009, 04:36 PM
I really like this idea.. I mean I've seen this used on other forums and it tends to work out fine...


OMG Ausy is working on something... What is it Ausy?

Azonic
September 20th, 2009, 05:02 PM
After supporting bringing rep back and having the general member populace abuse it for a second time, I'm going to have to give a hearty no here. You can argue spam'll only happen at first, and over time less and less people will abuse it, but those are all arguments we used for rep abuse when we decided to bring it back. We need to learn from history, and as history shows: introducing something that separates members further into "ranks" is not a good idea.
This would be a safer alternative imo. What problems could possibly erupt from this though? It promotes activity, and you can't get "negged" or anything like it (which is what everyone complained about in the rep system). No more "exchange cliques" because you sacrifice your own exp. points to give them to someone else. That's my take on it. :x

Why not just use it without any "perks"? Crazy idea I know.I like this.

If it's gonna be used, show it in the statistics tab imo. Its way too ugly to be in the same table as my ~pretty~ posts.

parallelzero
September 20th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Um David.

You do know rep was very easy to abuse, right? Spread <number here> of rep and I can totally give that person like 60+ rep points! Awesome! I can repeat this 9001 times for some epic results.

Postcount on the other hand, can only be abused through spamming. There's a difference, y'know.

I deal with posting and dealt with rep enough to realize the difference, but thanks anyways.

Clearly you missed the point of my post, as I wasn't lumping them in to be abused in a similar manner, I was just stating that if it can be abused, it will be. That's what PC members have proven on multiple occasions in the past and my reasoning for being against the idea.

Zorua
September 20th, 2009, 07:01 PM
I deal with posting and dealt with rep enough to realize the difference, but thanks anyways.

Clearly you missed the point of my post, as I wasn't lumping them in to be abused in a similar manner, I was just stating that if it can be abused, it will be. That's what PC members have proven on multiple occasions in the past and my reasoning for being against the idea.

I know what you're saying; I just felt like you based your post more or less on the fact that rep got abused like twice, so that influenced your decision somehow to turn your back on the idea. I took it wrong, my apologies.

I just read only the first part of your post, whereas you mentioned rep being abused twice and with it having some sort of bearing on your decision and stuff.

Feign
September 20th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Installing this would conflict with a future addon I have in the works for PC.

Just saying.

That and the addition might require more moderating in terms of deleting posts. :)

Tyrantrum
September 20th, 2009, 07:39 PM
That's a pretty bad-ass feature. :D

Now I know what that was on Audy's post statistics.

Axєl
September 20th, 2009, 07:47 PM
Installing this would conflict with a future addon I have in the works for PC.

Just saying.

Well that pretty much settles it.. xD;

Ah well.. I can see it causing a lot of issues, mainly because of people complaining, or pointlessly hating on others due to rank. Also, the post bits be already have are pretty full/busy already, IMO. On a smaller forum I think it would be a neat idea, and fun to mess with.. but I think it would cause problems here. D:

Not that it matters, I suppose.

.Seth
September 20th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Don't forget about all that extra work the server has to do to calculate the exp level for each postbit.
Times that by all the active users and how many open tabs/windows they're viewing postbit's on.

beauty. proletariat
September 20th, 2009, 08:14 PM
The problem I have is that all of the ways to earn points seem to be quite easily exploitable:

- Days online: there areplenty of people who join, disappear for years, and then come back much later

Yes, but there are also loads of people who join, but lurk around looking for threads are worth their time to post in. These members do require recognition. Joining, dissapearing for years and coming back... They wont be online during that time period, no one cares. They moved on, we moved on.

- Social group members: I can see a lot of "everybody join this group to get loads of points" groups forming

I'm pretty sure with that huge weeding out of the social groups, it was obvious that random social groups cannot be created. Also, we can have a social group moderation thing... To create a group; get SMod+ Approval.

- Friends: plenty of people already send random friend requests to EVERYBODY they see and most newbs will accept them.

No comment. I know this is a problem. It can be avoided by leaving friends out of the rep calculation.

- VMs: people could spam their own profiles

Warning for spamming own profile. Or, self-comments aren't counted, only those by other people.

- Album pictures: i see lots and LOTS of uploading random pictures for no reason other than to earn points.

:/ Leave it out, or moderate it.

- referrals: ...hmm...I'm not sure if that could be abused much, actually. Unless people referred themselves under several different usernames

Correct. Referring yourself under different usernames however, breaks a rule. So its already blanketed.

- completing profiles: similar to pictures, people would just spam every section with one or two random letters and cash in their points.

I dont get your message. i.e. it makes no sense.

Experience system is a wonderful system full of magic pixies and fairy dust. We can set up a username changing system, where after x points, you get to change your username, this would (i think) remove/reduce the work of Audy and Cowrie (hooray break for u guyz).

Experience system can be another way to benefit PC with money.

I've seen it being used as a way to bring in money; e.g. 500 points for 5 dollars. Hate your name? Havent got enough points yet? Trade money for points! etc. etc. etc.

Experience system is NOT limited by post counts etc.

Say a thread, or a blog post someone made, reached 200 posts / replies, or more, we can reward this with, additional experience points.

Though it would probably require a sub-forum under Q&F, the questions and help can also be managed by the members.

Gumball Watterson
September 20th, 2009, 08:19 PM
We'll maybe some of this would be fine, but I would recommend strict rules if it was implemented *coughnowhiningcough*

And if that thing is gonna conflict with whatever Audy's up to isn't it possible to edit some code to hopefully avoid that?

Melody
September 20th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Well...Let's wait and see what Audy has in the works first. Chances are, that if he's concerned that the aforementioned addon will conflict with his code, it probably means that addon will be redundant in some ways.

That being said, I am against the whole system. It's just so easily exploitable. Even if we disable the points for VM/SG/Blog/Album/Profile postings, it will create more motivation to make senseless posts, generally post-***** and a number of other "technically not against the rules but common sense" violations. (Seriously, we don't want PC to go all draconian like SPPf) D8

beauty. proletariat
September 20th, 2009, 10:22 PM
Well...Let's wait and see what Audy has in the works first. Chances are, that if he's concerned that the aforementioned addon will conflict with his code, it probably means that addon will be redundant in some ways.

That being said, I am against the whole system. It's just so easily exploitable. Even if we disable the points for VM/SG/Blog/Album/Profile postings, it will create more motivation to make senseless posts, generally post-***** and a number of other "technically not against the rules but common sense" violations. (Seriously, we don't want PC to go all draconian like SPPf) D8


o.o youre a supporter... you should already know

And the thing is, then we should completely discount post count aswell as it also is something people will exploit, no wait, we should bar all members from accessing PC because it may cause someone to go through emotional pain; trust me, Ive seen it happen. :/ You cant deny something because it can be exploited. You try it, and depending on if you can handle it or not, you keep it or throw it away.

Soul Eater
September 20th, 2009, 11:23 PM
HAHAHAHAHA wut

Yeah... I know it sounds cool but it seems similar to the rep system. I think it would still get abused in some form or another. People would find away around it and start complaining about bad comments and whatever. D:

Mitchman
September 21st, 2009, 08:43 AM
lolwut? Audy has a few special priveleges, he's allowed to do annoying things. xD And, like Parallelines said, just because Audy does it doesn't mean we should all jump on the bandwagon and create a wall of condensed WTF, you know?
Yes i know that. I just pointed out Audy's thing as an example as I do not have access to vbulletin images and I was wondering out of curiosity if that is something like this is all about or not.

Taziko
September 21st, 2009, 10:23 AM
To be honest, I don't find this addon much of an amazment that leads members to argue among each other. I'm more looking forward to what Audy has in store for use because his/her addons seem to be more presonal and to do with this forum (that is if he/she made the Emblem system). I just think that vBexpirence makes and forum look a bit like a MMO forum which is not good on most accounts since we're, well, not.