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Tonitonichopchop
September 23rd, 2009, 04:14 AM
As I think back, I realize how unpopular One Piece is in the US compared to Naruto and Bleach. I've always wondered why One Piece failed in America. Was it the 4kids version? Was it a lack of appeal to Americans? I think One Piece is one of the greatest series out there, but is far from as popular as Bleach or Naruto even though all of these are good series. So the question is where did One Piece go wrong?
I've always thought it wasn't the 4kids version, but more about how the series started out. Naruto starts out midly interesting since Naruto is aiming to be Hokage (A clearly definable title as the one who guards the village) and he's in Ninja training, Ichigo becomes a soul reaper right away in Bleach with loads of interesting combat scenes right away, but One Piece starts out with a kid aiming to be the pirate king (And no one knew what the hell that was when the series started) and I think it caused people to think the show/manga was boring. Mind you that's just my opinion of course, but what does everyone else think?

JP
September 23rd, 2009, 05:24 AM
The thing I disliked the most about this series was just the art style. I hated the character designs and I guess I'm just not interested in the story either. :(

Eпvy
September 23rd, 2009, 05:43 AM
It's because One Piece requires an open mind to enjoy. it takes a while to get started and has a different artstyle (although I still don't see what's so bad about the artstyle!).

Since a lot of the casual anime fans are the instant gratification type they overlooked One Piece and went for Naruto and Bleach.

And of course 4Kids did not help. But even if FUNimation had dubbed it from the start there still would have been loads of people who were too close-minded to give it a chance.

Tonitonichopchop
September 23rd, 2009, 06:51 AM
The thing I disliked the most about this series was just the art style. I hated the character designs and I guess I'm just not interested in the story either. :(

I think that people like yourself who hate the art style are into other, more familiar anime. I don't think the art style is bad, just different. I usually don't tend to care about the art style unless it gets in the way of the story (Such as poorly drawn situations where you can't tell heads or tails about whats what). By the way, did you watch the 4kids version or the funi dub or what? That might be a reason you didn't like it. Go to kaizoku fansubs and watch the arlong arc (It's about episode 31 to 45). This is where I think the series really took off. If you don't like One Piece after watching these eps I don't know what to tell you.

twocows
September 23rd, 2009, 07:04 AM
It doesn't air on American television, does it (asking honestly here; I'm not sure). The other two are both on Adult Swim, and that audience is pretty big. The more viewers you have, the more they spread the word about a series, and the more viewers you get to spread the word to more viewers who spread... etc.

Tonitonichopchop
September 23rd, 2009, 08:42 AM
It doesn't air on American television, does it (asking honestly here; I'm not sure). The other two are both on Adult Swim, and that audience is pretty big. The more viewers you have, the more they spread the word about a series, and the more viewers you get to spread the word to more viewers who spread... etc.

Yes, you're correct that One Piece does not air on American television. I agree with you that being on Adult swim definetly boosts the popularity of certain anime, but is Naruto even on Adult Swim? Anyway, I think Bleach is the best show for the US for a number of reasons:

It is violent
It starts of very interesting
It isn't Sailor Moon (Sorry fans!)

I could list more but it's uneccassary. If the uncut One Piece dub aired on Adult Swim I think the shows popularity would skyrocket, mainly because the older audience probably isn't aware of the 4kids dub to think it's a childish show O__o

A Pixy
September 23rd, 2009, 12:05 PM
It does start a little slow, but like you said, the Arlong Arc is where the series really picks up but instead of watching that, just watch the second movie, it's basically where the series goes from there.

twocows
September 23rd, 2009, 12:10 PM
is Naruto even on Adult Swim?I know it airs (or aired) on American television. I don't know for sure if it airs on Adult Swim, though (I really don't watch anything on there except ATHF and Robot Chicken). I think it airs on there, though. Either that or it airs on Cartoon Network daytime television, which I doubt.

Gymnotide
September 23rd, 2009, 12:15 PM
Naruto and One Piece both air BEFORE Adult Swim, in the section that keeps changing names (used to be called Toonami, now who really cares, since I don't watch Cartoon Network much anymore).

RedJ
September 23rd, 2009, 12:17 PM
The 4kids dub and the slow pace of the manga(they JUST finished the Alabasta arc in the U.S. manga) is what did it in.

Although there is still hope- Funimation has been uploading episodes to their site and simulcasting the Japanese episodes(at least for now- there have been some video piracy issues arise from it, and they only just recently got approval to start doing it again). And in January, Viz is going to begin releasing five volumes of the manga each month until July due to fan demand, and I think they'll be keeping it in Shonen Jump magazine during that time, skipping ahead of all the volumes they intend to release(why, I dunno....but it's there).

Give it some time- eventually, One Piece will get the attention it deserves.

The Mega Champion
September 23rd, 2009, 12:46 PM
Go away One Piece haters.

>:-(

I LOVE One Piece.

One Piece DESERVES to be aired on TV.

Just like freaking Naruto deserves to be aired on TV.

**** you Cartoon Network

**** YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>:-(

Eпvy
September 23rd, 2009, 12:59 PM
Naruto and One Piece both air BEFORE Adult Swim, in the section that keeps changing names (used to be called Toonami, now who really cares, since I don't watch Cartoon Network much anymore).

No they do not.

One Piece isn't on there anymore and neither is Naruto. However Naruto Shippuden is coming to Disney XD really soon. (I don't know how anybody could miss that news, since all of the crazy fans were complaining so much.)

Gymnotide
September 23rd, 2009, 01:18 PM
Meant "aired."
Naruto finished this January.

Eпvy
September 23rd, 2009, 02:04 PM
I think that people like yourself who hate the art style are into other, more familiar anime. I don't think the art style is bad, just different. I usually don't tend to care about the art style unless it gets in the way of the story (Such as poorly drawn situations where you can't tell heads or tails about whats what). By the way, did you watch the 4kids version or the funi dub or what? That might be a reason you didn't like it. Go to kaizoku fansubs and watch the arlong arc (It's about episode 31 to 45). This is where I think the series really took off. If you don't like One Piece after watching these eps I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know... I still think that Water 7 and afterwards are where it gets REALLY good. Although, of course the three big arcs before that (Arlong, Skypeia, and Alabasta all had their moments.)

But seriously, Water 7 it just seems to take a big step up. But I maybe biased because my favorite scene is in the Enies Lobby arc.

Although personally I wouldn't tell anybody to skip over anything except for fillers if they're watching the anime. One Piece is an series that largely builds up upon itself. If you watch it all you will be used to the artstyle and you'll really like the characters because you've got adjusted to them. (Luffy very much so. I didn't like him so much when I first watched One Piece, but now he is one of my very favorite characters.)

Once you really care for the characters you realize how great the series really is.

Taichi
September 23rd, 2009, 06:45 PM
Hate me all you like, but I actually like the 4kids version. YA YO YA YO YA YO!!! That theme song is one of the things 4kids did right and got me on the show. (And in the end that's 4kids job, to introduce to anime.) I like the fansubs also. Personally prefer the ya yo ya yo ya yo version though. I really have no idea why it failed so much in america. IMO, the Funi version redid voice actors that did it in. (I can honestly say that I like 4kids Luffy AND Sanji, lollipop and all.)

Eпvy
September 23rd, 2009, 07:13 PM
You... liked... 4Kids... Sanji...?

There are no words.

Poor Sanji was probably the one that got the worst treatment in the 4Kids dub.

charizard_maa
September 23rd, 2009, 07:36 PM
I think what really didn't help One Piece gain ground in the US was the 4KIds dubbing. I personality love the 4Kids dub but I can see where some people may not like it. The dub was kind of butchered ('kind of' being used loosely here) and some people had issues with the voices. The pacing could be a problem but the thing is that One Piece really does find a pacing by the time Buggy gets going. The Buggy arc help set things up but the awesome stuff that defines how the show will be is in Arlong. If you weren't in love with ONe Piece by Arlong then your chance of clicking with One Piece is low. The thing that a lot of people had gained a prejudice against 4Kids dubs that they already wrote off ONe Piece as a failure and thus a good chunk of the fanbase was lost.

It also didn't help that Cartoon Network treatment of the show. One Piece clearly didn't get the same treatment that Naruto got when it premiere and was being shown. Naruto got the custom commercials while ONe Piece got jammed in Toonami commercial moments. One Piece also got jerked around and pulled off normal airing a good amount of times if anybody remember correctly. Sometimes One Piece would be off the air for months at a time and then put back on with new episodes. While Naruto got new episodes each time. Similar treatment was done when it was on FoxBox except once they took it off the air. It stayed off the air until Cartoon Network put it back on.

One thing I want to bring up is that Cartoon Network of Australia was able to finish the Skypiea. So it had to been popular down there.

I just think that One Piece never had that right treatment to get that chance that it needed to be big. Things like art style and stuff can be get over since there are popular shows like Shin Chan who have a huge following but 'lacking' animation style. Right now it seems like Funi and Toei are doing their best to make One Piece get that right treatment. DVDs that have subbed and dubbed options. Getting the manga up to par. All they need now is to get One Piece back on TV here in the US and they be set. Which is possible seeing that Naruto is going to be on Disney XD. If Naruto does good there then Toei may think about pushing to get One Piece on Disney XD too with FUni dubs.

EDIT: I liked 4Kids Sanji. He is the only Sanji I would cosplay as. haha

Tonitonichopchop
September 23rd, 2009, 09:14 PM
I think what really didn't help One Piece gain ground in the US was the 4KIds dubbing. I personality love the 4Kids dub but I can see where some people may not like it. The dub was kind of butchered ('kind of' being used loosely here) and some people had issues with the voices. The pacing could be a problem but the thing is that One Piece really does find a pacing by the time Buggy gets going. The Buggy arc help set things up but the awesome stuff that defines how the show will be is in Arlong. If you weren't in love with ONe Piece by Arlong then your chance of clicking with One Piece is low. The thing that a lot of people had gained a prejudice against 4Kids dubs that they already wrote off ONe Piece as a failure and thus a good chunk of the fanbase was lost.

It also didn't help that Cartoon Network treatment of the show. One Piece clearly didn't get the same treatment that Naruto got when it premiere and was being shown. Naruto got the custom commercials while ONe Piece got jammed in Toonami commercial moments. One Piece also got jerked around and pulled off normal airing a good amount of times if anybody remember correctly. Sometimes One Piece would be off the air for months at a time and then put back on with new episodes. While Naruto got new episodes each time. Similar treatment was done when it was on FoxBox except once they took it off the air. It stayed off the air until Cartoon Network put it back on.

One thing I want to bring up is that Cartoon Network of Australia was able to finish the Skypiea. So it had to been popular down there.

I just think that One Piece never had that right treatment to get that chance that it needed to be big. Things like art style and stuff can be get over since there are popular shows like Shin Chan who have a huge following but 'lacking' animation style. Right now it seems like Funi and Toei are doing their best to make One Piece get that right treatment. DVDs that have subbed and dubbed options. Getting the manga up to par. All they need now is to get One Piece back on TV here in the US and they be set. Which is possible seeing that Naruto is going to be on Disney XD. If Naruto does good there then Toei may think about pushing to get One Piece on Disney XD too with FUni dubs.

EDIT: I liked 4Kids Sanji. He is the only Sanji I would cosplay as. haha

Hate me all you like, but I actually like the 4kids version. YA YO YA YO YA YO!!! That theme song is one of the things 4kids did right and got me on the show. (And in the end that's 4kids job, to introduce to anime.) I like the fansubs also. Personally prefer the ya yo ya yo ya yo version though. I really have no idea why it failed so much in america. IMO, the Funi version redid voice actors that did it in. (I can honestly say that I like 4kids Luffy AND Sanji, lollipop and all.)

I find the love torwards 4kids in this thread as slightly disturbing, but nevertheless I agree with you charizard_maa, if Naruto does well on disney xd they could (But very unlikely) push to have One Piece air also. If that happens I think that that alone would cause the fanbase to grow by a considerable margin.

p.s.

Taichi, there is no way in Hell that funi is responsible for One Pieces poor popularity. The ratings for One Piece actually grew when the edited Skypeia arc aired on Cartoon network (Edited by funi of course).

Taichi
September 24th, 2009, 03:11 AM
Okay, that may be biased on my part. I just like the 4kids One Piece rather than Funi One Piece. DO NOT mistaken that as a "I like 4kids better than Funi" post because that's not the case, I just liked a particular version of the anime rather than the other. I love Funimation. (DBZ, YuYu, FMA, awesome.) I just like One Piece 4kids. Like it or not, 4kids did their job and introduced me to One Piece. Afterwards, I picked up the manga and it was awesome. I wouldn't be a fan of One Piece if it wasn't for 4kids. Just saying.

YA YO YA YO YA YO!!!

Tonitonichopchop
September 24th, 2009, 04:44 AM
Okay, that may be biased on my part. I just like the 4kids One Piece rather than Funi One Piece. DO NOT mistaken that as a "I like 4kids better than Funi" post because that's not the case, I just liked a particular version of the anime rather than the other. I love Funimation. (DBZ, YuYu, FMA, awesome.) I just like One Piece 4kids. Like it or not, 4kids did their job and introduced me to One Piece. Afterwards, I picked up the manga and it was awesome. I wouldn't be a fan of One Piece if it wasn't for 4kids. Just saying.

YA YO YA YO YA YO!!!

I actually started One Piece with the 4kids version also. It was great when I was younger, and don't get me wrong, the rap was probably the best part about the show, but the quality when comparing it to the japanese or the funi version is lacking in my opinion. Also, and I'm honestly curious when I ask this, but what did you like about the 4kids version better?

Taichi
September 24th, 2009, 10:20 AM
Honestly. The voice actors I liked. Specifically Luffy and Sanji. I know Sanji got murdered with the accent and all but I liked the accent, with the lollipop as a censor. It added something very unusual to an unusual character. The Funi voice actors on OP just don't appeal to me. I'm sorry....lol.

Tonitonichopchop
September 24th, 2009, 10:57 AM
Honestly. The voice actors I liked. Specifically Luffy and Sanji. I know Sanji got murdered with the accent and all but I liked the accent, with the lollipop as a censor. It added something very unusual to an unusual character. The Funi voice actors on OP just don't appeal to me. I'm sorry....lol.

I see. I actually hear from a lot of people that they like the 4kids Luffy more than the funi Luffy. As for Sanji, the accent definetly adds to his original character. I don't know about you, but the nasaly voice just got super annoying after a while. The lolipop I also thought was really strange for one reason; wouldn't that ruin the flavor of the food? Another question I have is what you watched after the 4kids and Manga, or did you stop watching after that?

The Mega Champion
September 24th, 2009, 12:17 PM
OMFG....

You've GOT to be kidding me...

4KIDS ******* RAPED ONE PIECE IN THE ASS HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How could you people like that?!

I've lost ALL respect I had left for this board.

I hope you realize that, and I hope you're happy about that.

I KNOW I'M NOT.

>:-(

FUNIMATION IS DOING AN AWESOME JOB WITH ONE PIECE. AT LEAST THEIR NOT RAPING IT. IN FACT, THEY'RE DOING TEN TIMES BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEAVING THE EPISODES UNCUT AND UNEDITED WHICH IS HOW ALL ANIME SHOULD BE LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who gives a **** about the voices?! I know I don't!!!!!!!!!!

The voices are FINE.

WTF is wrong with you people?!

Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>:-(

thedestinedblade
September 24th, 2009, 12:25 PM
OMFG....

You've GOT to be kidding me...

4KIDS ******* RAPED ONE PIECE IN THE ASS HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>:-(

Calm down. :laugh:

Yes, I find it hard to believe that some people actually like the 4kids dub of One Piece. To each their own I guess.

Eпvy
September 24th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Wow...

I PERSONALLY would prefer Luffy's 4Kids voice if the voice actress would have used emotion and not yelled all of the time. I think that otherwise the voice was good. I know that Colleen (FUNimation Luffy) is working her hardest, but I personally... well, I don't know. Tanaka is just the best voice for Luffy! (I believe that Luffy was one of the character's that Oda actually built around a voice actor/actress. I know that sounds ridiculous but I've read it in interviews.)

But the rest of the 4Kids voices are ranging from alright to just downright horrible, while the rest of the FUNimation voices are either perfect fits or very acceptable. (Well except for Franky, but we haven't really heard him yet... not enough anyways.)

I can not understand how anybody could even stand Sanji's 4Kids voice. It was horrible. I feel bad for the voice actor that was told to do that voice, as well. Please... Eric Vale is a much better Sanji.

4Kids only introduced the anime to America, by the way. The manga was here long before. I first saw One Piece in a Shonen Jump issue in 2003. Of course back then I didn't know what it was, but it was unedited. Zoro was Zoro, not Zolo. There was blood... And real guns. :o

I went with the anime in the end and saw more of One Piece through CN's 4Kids dub than Shonen Jump (not by much at all, though. XD), but I still will not deny that the dub was bad and hindered One Piece's popularity. I will not give them credit for anything either. I still would have watched the subbed One Piece either way. I believe I was influenced to check it out because it was so popular, not from what I saw on CN.

Vernikova
September 24th, 2009, 04:00 PM
I've lost ALL respect I had left for this board.

I've never had any respect for this board but I've always had less respect for you. Your posts indicate why.

Anyway, One Piece doesn't air on telvision because not many people like it. Simple as that.

Naruto isn't that popular either and that's why it's on Disney XD.

Honestly, Bleach is probably the most popular show of the three since it has beaten some other popular shows such as Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

Eпvy
September 24th, 2009, 04:51 PM
Anyway, One Piece doesn't air on telvision because not many people like it. Simple as that.

One Piece's ratings were raising on CN after they started airing the FUNimation dub. However CN decided to move away from anime and One Piece was unfortunately one of the decision's first victims. Since Naruto was likely still doing better at the time they removed One Piece first.

But the fact remains that it was doing pretty well and the ratings were increasing. One Piece is actually a VERY popular series. The decision was NOT because people did not like it, because that is false.

Naruto isn't that popular either and that's why it's on Disney XD.

Actually it's quite popular among casual anime fans. I can't believe anybody would say otherwise.

As I said earlier CN decided to move away from anime. However Naruto and Naruto Shippuden got free and uncut streaming online so it must still be quite popular. And seriously, Disney XD would not pick up an anime unless they thought it would give them high ratings. And Naruto Shippuden likely will. (Considering it's competing against CN Real. lol)

Honestly, Bleach is probably the most popular show of the three since it has beaten some other popular shows such as Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

I wouldn't say it is. It's just that Bleach is on Adult Swim and not necessarily Cartoon Network. Same channel, whatever, I know, but they're run by different people and the runner of CN has actually been trying to get Bleach taken off as well, apparently.

Adult Swim must have a higher opinion of anime... Otherwise Bleach would have been long gone by now.

charizard_maa
September 24th, 2009, 05:33 PM
I've never had any respect for this board but I've always had less respect for you. Your posts indicate why.

Anyway, One Piece doesn't air on telvision because not many people like it. Simple as that.

Naruto isn't that popular either and that's why it's on Disney XD.

Honestly, Bleach is probably the most popular show of the three since it has beaten some other popular shows such as Star Wars: The Clone Wars.

Bleach is only the most popular of the three on TV because it is the only one that is on TV. Online is a different story.

If you got to Hulu and see which animes are getting the high rankings then you would see that Naruto (Shippuden) is one of the highest rated shows. Not too far behind is One Piece and Bleach is somewhere behind there. One Piece is actually pretty popular online and as far as I know of. Also there is no Bleach simulcast so that kind of speak for itself.

One Piece's ratings were raising on CN after they started airing the FUNimation dub. However CN decided to move away from anime and One Piece was unfortunately one of the decision's first victims. Since Naruto was likely still doing better at the time they removed One Piece first.

But the fact remains that it was doing pretty well and the ratings were increasing. One Piece is actually a VERY popular series. The decision was NOT because people did not like it, because that is false.



Actually it's quite popular among casual anime fans. I can't believe anybody would say otherwise.

As I said earlier CN decided to move away from anime. However Naruto and Naruto Shippuden got free and uncut streaming online so it must still be quite popular. And seriously, Disney XD would not pick up an anime unless they thought it would give them high ratings. And Naruto Shippuden likely will. (Considering it's competing against CN Real. lol)



I wouldn't say it is. It's just that Bleach is on Adult Swim and not necessarily Cartoon Network. Same channel, whatever, I know, but they're run by different people and the runner of CN has actually been trying to get Bleach taken off as well, apparently.

Adult Swim must have a higher opinion of anime... Otherwise Bleach would have been long gone by now.

Well you will be glad to hear that CN has nothing to do with what is shown on Adult Swim. They may be on the same channel but CN and AS are consider two different channels. NOtice that the logo on the bottom right hand corner changes to Adult Swim instead of staying as CN?

The only way Bleach and the rest of the anime on AS will leave is unless a lot of CN people take over AS and decide that. Still as of right now there is no movement to get rid of anime on AS since that is one of their highest rating items. Most of the anime on AS get higher ratings then the stuff that they show during the week from what I am told.

Also I actually don't mind the voices. I like a lot of the dub voices that are working on the FUni dub. All of the VAs that are working on the Funi dub have been approved by the Japanese producers so if they are okay with these voices then I guess there is no room for me to complain.

Tonitonichopchop
September 24th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Wow, were having a heated discussion here, eh? If 4kids knew they would cause so much contoversy among the fans then maybe they would have given a second thought about cancelling their dub?

Anyway, I think that if 4kids did anything it was introduce people to anime, not give them a true anime experience. I'm pretty tolerant of the 4kids version for just that reason. If they were still dubbing One Piece now, I'd be pretty damn pissed about now. I can look back and laugh at it now since One Piece I think is being treated fairly now. The only negative outcome I can see of the 4kids version is that it made some people completly abandon the series. Maybe more people would be willing to try One Piece if they had seen the better version first (The funi dub or the japanese dub, both are about equal in quality). I don't think that 4kids is even relative to the argument anymore purely because they stopped dubbing a few years ago and most people have long since stopped caring about it. I'm sure that anyone who saw it doesn't care anymore.

So why is everyone still so angry about 4kids? They're done with, we will never see them again, so take a chill pill and find another reason it's not popular outside of OMG!!!!! 4kids ******* sux! WHY DID THEY HAXOR OP!!!!!!

Masterge77
September 25th, 2009, 02:27 PM
When I first read the manga when I bought an issue of USA Shonen Jump back in 2003, I was hooked onto the manga, and that's what got me into One Piece, but then, a few months later, 4Kids dubbed it, and like everyone else, I was peed off, Funimation saved it eventually, thank god. Either way, I love OP, and I think about it's popuklarity in america never went well from the start, especially when 4Kids dubbed it, and it went downhill.......

Vernikova
September 25th, 2009, 03:31 PM
One Piece's ratings were raising on CN after they started airing the FUNimation dub. However CN decided to move away from anime and One Piece was unfortunately one of the decision's first victims.

Cartoon Network picked up Bakugan and its following series and still have Pokémon and air Yu-Gi-Oh! so no, they aren't going away from it.

But the fact remains that it was doing pretty well and the ratings were increasing. One Piece is actually a VERY popular series. The decision was NOT because people did not like it, because that is false.

Provide the initial ratings and how much they were increasing by.

Actually it's quite popular among casual anime fans. I can't believe anybody would say otherwise.

And exactly how many people are "casual" fans? Not many.

As I said earlier CN decided to move away from anime.

Not really.

And seriously, Disney XD would not pick up an anime unless they thought it would give them high ratings. And Naruto Shippuden likely will. (Considering it's competing against CN Real. lol)

You do know that CN Real's show have increased in ratings, right? And you do know that Cartoon Network will beat anything Disney XD airs due to sheer numbers alone, right?

Adult Swim must have a higher opinion of anime...

Only Bleach. [as] doesn't advertise any other Japanese animé other than that one show.

I'll reply to that charizard person later.

Eпvy
September 25th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Cartoon Network picked up Bakugan and its following series and still have Pokémon and air Yu-Gi-Oh! so no, they aren't going away from it.

Oh sorry, I mean generic monster battling anime aside. They've moved away from other kinds of anime.

Provide the initial ratings and how much they were increasing by.

"In an interview with Mike McFarland he said that ratings have slowly but steadily increased, but exact ratings are currently unknown."

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Cartoon_Network

I know that's a Wiki, but it'll have to do. XD

And exactly how many people are "casual" fans? Not many.

You're kidding right? The casuals are the vast majority.

The casuals are the reason Nintendo is doing so well right now.

Not really.

As I said, generic monster battling anime aside CN does not care about anime anymore.

You do know that CN Real's show have increased in ratings, right?

No and that just ruined my day if it's true. People should not be watching that crap. D:

And you do know that Cartoon Network will beat anything Disney XD airs due to sheer numbers alone, right?

I was only saying that seeing as it's competing against CN Real, there will be no real competition between fans on what to watch.

Only Bleach. [as] doesn't advertise any other Japanese animé other than that one show.

Adult Swim still treats anime way better than CN.

charizard_maa
September 25th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Wow, were having a heated discussion here, eh? If 4kids knew they would cause so much contoversy among the fans then maybe they would have given a second thought about cancelling their dub?

Anyway, I think that if 4kids did anything it was introduce people to anime, not give them a true anime experience. I'm pretty tolerant of the 4kids version for just that reason. If they were still dubbing One Piece now, I'd be pretty damn pissed about now. I can look back and laugh at it now since One Piece I think is being treated fairly now. The only negative outcome I can see of the 4kids version is that it made some people completly abandon the series. Maybe more people would be willing to try One Piece if they had seen the better version first (The funi dub or the japanese dub, both are about equal in quality). I don't think that 4kids is even relative to the argument anymore purely because they stopped dubbing a few years ago and most people have long since stopped caring about it. I'm sure that anyone who saw it doesn't care anymore.

So why is everyone still so angry about 4kids? They're done with, we will never see them again, so take a chill pill and find another reason it's not popular outside of OMG!!!!! 4kids ******* sux! WHY DID THEY HAXOR OP!!!!!!
The thing is that 4Kids will forever be blame as the reason why One Piece never hit it big in the US back when it was given it's first chance. So many changes happen between the original to the dubbed that it turned people away. As one person said earlier, they loved the One Piece manga in Shonen Jump but found the anime (4Kids) dub something to dislike. We may never see them touch One Piece ever again but the stain that they left on ONe Piece has left it's mark. Just think about how much more popular One Piece would be if Funi had the dubbing rights from the beginning. We may never know but it would be a good bet to say that One Piece would be in a much better position then it is right now where it is climbing the ladder of popularity.

To expand on what Envy is saying concerning anime and CN, currently the anime on CN is being treated badly. As far as I know of, Pokemon, Bakugan and Yu-gi-oh 5Ds are the only animes on CN and they show them on their Saturday morning block that gets little to almost no advertising for. Compare the advertising that TWF get compare to HarHarThursdays and CNREal and you see that there isn't much. Then count how many commercials you see for Pokemon, Bakugan and YGO 5Ds for the TWF. None right? As far as I know, I have never seen any commercials for YGO 5Ds and I only see Pokemon commercials for whenever they do a marathons. The way CN publicize their shows is a good indication of how they treat their shows.

If you want any more proof, look at how the lack of publicizing did to Naruto and Toonami. Nobody knew what was happening or when Naruto was being shown and now look at where they are.

Vernikova
September 26th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Oh sorry, I mean generic monster battling anime aside. They've moved away from other kinds of anime.

Well, those shows are shonen like Naruto so they aren't moving away from those types of shows. Maybe they're moving away from Shonen Jump.

"In an interview with Mike McFarland he said that ratings have slowly but steadily increased, but exact ratings are currently unknown."

I'll take a wiki as long as it has credible sources listed. With that quotation though, room for interpretation is left open because the ratings aren't known. Maybe Cartoon Network cancelled it because the ratings were low and weren't increasing fast enough or it could've been the unfair opposite.

You're kidding right? The casuals are the vast majority.

The vast majority are the small minority who watch cartoons though. That's why Japanese animé has been reduced in stores and not many are airing or being picked up at all.

The casuals are the reason Nintendo is doing so well right now.

Are you talking about their games? Many of their games are based on generational appeal unlike many television shows that depend on a fan base.

As I said, generic monster battling anime aside CN does not care about anime anymore.

Japanese animé aren't making a lot of money right now. They have to go with what's hot right now.

No and that just ruined my day if it's true. People should not be watching that crap. D:

I watch some of that crap.

I was only saying that seeing as it's competing against CN Real, there will be no real competition between fans on what to watch.

In your opinion.

Adult Swim still treats anime way better than CN.

I disagree. [as] airs their aquisitions at unreasonable hours, an unreasonable night, and don't advertise the night very often. Cartoon Network at least repeats their shows during the week and air marathons.

YouLose
September 28th, 2009, 12:07 PM
WTF?!

Leave this GREAT show ALONE.

It DESERVES to be aired.

>:-(

Giraffles <3
September 28th, 2009, 02:26 PM
I'm honestly going to say it's the 4kids dub. I mean because I watched that (or tried to at least) but couldn't get into it, then I watched the Japanese version and was like "Holy crap, this is amazing!". I love the humor as well and the art style is unique and isn't copy and paste like some other animes and fits the story really well. Also One Piece is the only anime that has almost made me cry like every time they do a flashback of there lives. I don't think it should be aired on American television, just watch the Japanese version, it's so much better than any dub out there.

Vigilante
September 28th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Long story short, US ruins all anime; watch it online.

Taichi
September 28th, 2009, 09:05 PM
Long story short, US ruins all anime; watch it online.

Cowboy Bebop, Gurren Lagann, DBZ, Death Note, Samurai Champloo and Dan Green all say "WTF are you talking about?"

ÇyänïdëÉX
September 29th, 2009, 04:56 PM
Seeing one piece on the television was fun. I was pretty excited to see it on the weekends. When they took it off i got pretty sad because i was like damn what happened there? I mean we got pretty crappy shows on CN but i mean one piece? In any case, this thread has a lot of posts and i have read any of them cept for some angry ones so bear with me.

I think part of it had to do with the fact that Toonami was cancelled or stopped and thats where it was being shown. In any case, one piece has become my top fav anime of all time and i guess it was for the best for it to be cancelled. I keep in touch with it every week by watching the subbed episodes released every week unless stated.

It is a great series, i guess pirates don't appeal much to american kids?