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Shion
September 24th, 2009, 07:27 AM
http://www.equalitynow.org/english/pressroom/press_releases/japan_20090923_en.html

What the hell do they think they are doing? Taking away harmless pleasures isn't equality at all!

First of all, they are trying to remove people's rights to unusual sexual pleasures. It's like, wow, there is a minority right here that I don't like, so why don't I just eliminate it? Reminds me of the Middle Ages when people of different races and beliefs were called orcs and burned at the stake just because they were different. Face it, society benefits from adding, not subtracting. Branding things superficially as bad is just imprisoning people who never did anything truly immoral and making life harder and harder to bear with endless restrictions.

Second of all, they don't have any proof to back their claims that hentai promotes violence against women. Probably because their theory is untrue and there is no evidence whatsoever of any significant correlation between hentai-viewing and real life rape. They keep jumping around the bush but never present their facts. How the hell did this bluddy organisation come around?

I'm writing a letter to their site at:
http://www.equalitynow.org/english/contact/contact_en.html

Even if you don't like hentai, you should at least know that it is wrong to outright ban it.

A Pixy
September 24th, 2009, 08:17 AM
;O.O;

Mmkayyy...

I guess it's not right to stop people from enjoying themselves, and this isn't drugs so it can't kill you. Then again, I'm 12, what does it matter to me?

Tonitonichopchop
September 24th, 2009, 08:35 AM
I don't really care for Hentai (I put it at the same level as porn) but I don't think it should be outright banned. Mainly because their logic for banning it sucks, so unless they come up with solid evidence through study I'm dissmissing the whole thing as stupid.

twocows
September 24th, 2009, 08:46 AM
Urgh. This gets me every time. For the most part, the people that use these products are, more or less, mentally stable adults. They know the difference between a GAME and REALITY. If they don't, they're screwed up in the head and they're probably going to go bonkers anyway.

Now let me give you a hypothetical situation here. John has a rape fetish (surprisingly common; just visit 4chan or whatever and you'll see), but he knows that such things are wrong. Instead, he turns to other outlets to vent that urge, like games, for instance. It's good enough to satisfy his urges, even though it's not real. Suddenly, Equality Now (which has NOTHING to do with equality, I will note) comes along and bans his games, saying that it's immoral and encourages violence toward women (bull). Now John will become pissed off at the government and either ignore their crappy laws anyway (making him a criminal for trying to prevent himself from doing something bad) or try to suppress his urges. However, he has nothing to vent his urges with. Maybe he has a bad day or something and just loses control. Then what? The moral crusading jerks have just created at least one victim, possibly more: John, who is now a criminal (either from ignoring the ban or potentially commiting rape), and anyone that John victimizes himself. Good going, Equality Now; you've really helped put an end to violence against women, haven't you?

People that spend their money on this stuff clearly have some sort of attraction to it. Why would you take this stuff away from people if it's letting them deal with their sexual urges in a safe way? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Esper
September 24th, 2009, 08:53 AM
I agree with their aims of ending (sexual) violence toward women, but not their methods. It's better to have dialogue and promote understanding and all that good hippie stuff than to ban and censor and hope that bad things go away.

Akio123
September 24th, 2009, 09:24 AM
Honestly, why does anyone care? It's hentai...in any case if they are trying to ban violent pornography then what's wrong with that? Psychologically and statistically speaking men who watch violent rape pornography and more likely to beat and or rape women so what is wrong with taking away a factor that can increase such a negative act?

Bay Alexison
September 24th, 2009, 09:33 AM
Yeah, nothing comes out good with bans. Prohibition, anyone? :P *gets shot for mentioning that old history trivia* However twocows, I don't think if hentai is ban something that extreme will happen. There will a public outcry and protesting at most.

Yeah, like twocows, this also gets me everytime. People that uses products that features sex and violence, like games, are able to know the difference between fantasy and reality. In fact, hentai (animated porn, really) is pretty much a common thing in Japanese culture (though I understand sexual violence can be uneasy in real life and should not be encouraged). Another thing is the products are private use . Equality Now doesn't have the right to say you can't use this product because it promotes violence against women, etc. Well, they do and they can have people be aware of the situation at hand, but most of the time the people won't listen since those products won't hurt anyone (unless they do go and do sexual violence after that, but that's unlikely). I don't care too much for hentai, but it's not something to work up so much that it should be ban. It's mostly for entertainment so let the people enjoy it like everything else they like.

Equality Now has good intentions in their cause, but they could have gone through better methods to dealt with this situation instead of asking for a ban.

On that note, hope some people won't confuse "platinum" with Pokemon Platinum. :P *gets shot*

twocows
September 24th, 2009, 11:54 AM
Honestly, why does anyone care? It's hentai...in any case if they are trying to ban violent pornography then what's wrong with that? Psychologically and statistically speaking men who watch violent rape pornography and more likely to beat and or rape women so what is wrong with taking away a factor that can increase such a negative act?
First off:http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png
Secondly, news flash: those people are PREDISPOSED to being more violent. Correlation is NOT causation. Someone who bats someone's head in is likely to also enjoy things where they can virtually beat people's heads in. This DOESN'T mean that anyone that plays a game where you can bash someone's head in is going to go out and do it, and it certainly doesn't mean that violent games cause violent behavior. However, if we took away a means for those people to vent their violent tendencies, their real life behavior very well might change to reflect their violent natures. The same rules apply to pornography as to violent video games; there is no proven link, and even if there was, it would probably not be causal.

Yeah, nothing comes out good with bans. Prohibition, anyone? :P *gets shot for mentioning that old history trivia* However twocows, I don't think if hentai is ban something that extreme will happen. There will a public outcry and protesting at most.

I think you fail to realize the scale on which some of this stuff is played/watched. The reason these industries are profitable is because they sell like hotcakes. If ten thousand people with rape or violence fetishes suddenly had nothing with which to vent those urges, it is not a far cry to suggest that our hypothetical "John" could be among them.

Luck
September 24th, 2009, 03:43 PM
First the UN decides to hand in their man cards and "respect" fundamentalist Islam, and now they have decided to try banning hentai? I'm sorry, but that is just absurd.

Honestly, why does anyone care? It's hentai...in any case if they are trying to ban violent pornography then what's wrong with that? Psychologically and statistically speaking men who watch violent rape pornography and more likely to beat and or rape women so what is wrong with taking away a factor that can increase such a negative act?
First of all, statistics, and second of all, video games can increase negative acts as well. There was a gang of teenagers that stole a car and beat down people because they were influenced by Grand Theft Auto. Hell, the wrong person with the wrong game could become an arsonist because they thought casting the fire spell on a goblin was cool.Would you ban video games then? Not to mention the eye strain, seizures, and arthritis if left alone too long(among other conditions of course.) And in case you didn't notice, hentai doesn't matter when responsible people are using it. Barely anything does, but that is just sidetracking from the topic.

Manaphy1128
September 24th, 2009, 04:21 PM
As an avid hentai reader/game-player myself (yes I know it should be a i'm 12 years old and wat is this moment for me but I love stuff like that) I find this kind of silly because is there any proof of the connection between them. Althought hentai will ocassionally suggest and/or promote child pornography, it's sort of like how that's what really happens and Japan's just making it in case you wanna do it but don't want to actually do it (erm, did that make sense). Even in the situation that someone admits that they were influenced by it, there are millions of others who have read/played it and have been unaffected by it. So I don't see the point of ruining everyone's pleasure. This argument of mine is probably invalid, but remember that kid that died because he was trying to be Garra from Naruto? Well, they didn't ban Naruto just for that. Just because there is one confirmed case of it doesn't mean you have to get rid of the thing entirely.

And you have total rights to disagree with me because I'm just a silly thirteen-year old.

twocows
September 24th, 2009, 04:42 PM
There was a gang of teenagers that stole a car and beat down people because they were influenced by Grand Theft Auto.Give a crazy person an axe and tell them to cut wood; what do you think's going to happen? Violent games are fine for almost all people. The other, very small portion is completely friggen insane and should be in a padded room, not being given ideas on how to commit their next murder. Though again, I will make the argument that a mildly sane person who plays a violent video game (much like someone who watches/plays violent pornography/ero games) will vent their urges there and thus be less likely to vent them in the real world.

Also, imagine this scenario. You steal a car because you're short on money and beat some people down because they're annoying. Suddenly, you're facing charges, but you hear that all the cool kids are blaming video games and getting off scot-free for violent crimes. What are you going to do?

And you have total rights to disagree with me because I'm the most crazy-smart, insightful thirteen-year old on the entire face of this planet.Fixed for being smarter than about 90% of adults.

HoneyBubbles
September 24th, 2009, 05:34 PM
Hentai? Yeah, not my thing. I hate to offend anyone, but I've always found porn, 2D or otherwise to be a big turn off. But the whole 'banning hentai' idea reeks of stupid.

I think hentai more commonly causes men to have 2D complexes rather than raping and actual girl. Just a theory. And besides - I'm not expert, but I don't think this kind of stuff didn't cause the rape rate in Japan to skyrocket or anything. As far as I know, the sexual crime actually decreased a bit as pornographic materials became more widespread. I'm not saying that those two things are connected, but hentai certainly isn't causing most men to go out and commit sex crimes.

charizard_maa
September 24th, 2009, 05:55 PM
The thing is that if you are going to ban Hentai then you also need to ban porn. Hentai is actually the animate version of porn and really I can't support banning one without the other when they use that excuse.

The thing is that if they are claiming that, then they need to basically get rid of all media that is above PG. It is easy to make the claim that 'x factor' is responsible for violence.

twocows
September 24th, 2009, 05:59 PM
Hentai? Yeah, not my thing. I hate to offend anyone, but I've always found porn, 2D or otherwise to be a big turn off. But the whole 'banning hentai' idea reeks of stupid.

I think hentai more commonly causes men to have 2D complexes rather than raping and actual girl. Just a theory. And besides - I'm not expert, but I don't think this kind of stuff didn't cause the rape rate in Japan to skyrocket or anything. As far as I know, the sexual crime actually decreased a bit as pornographic materials became more widespread. I'm not saying that those two things are connected, but hentai certainly isn't causing most men to go out and commit sex crimes.
I doubt anybody would be offended by your tastes. Also, what you said seems accurate. I can easily see people becoming more obsessed with drawn pornography, and that seems like a good thing; I would say it discourages the exploitation of women, if anything.

The thing is that if you are going to ban Hentai then you also need to ban porn. Hentai is actually the animate version of porn and really I can't support banning one without the other when they use that excuse.

The thing is that if they are claiming that, then they need to basically get rid of all media that is above PG. It is easy to make the claim that 'x factor' is responsible for violence.
If you're saying that it's stupid for them to ban one and not the other, and saying nothing about whether they should or should not be banned in general, then I agree; it's stupid them to ban fake porn when real women are forced to do this sort of thing to make money.

JP
September 24th, 2009, 06:18 PM
For what they're trying to achieve, I can't see the banning of hentai doing much of anything. And as someone else mentioned, the banning of hentai and not porn in general doesn't make much sense.

Bay Alexison
September 24th, 2009, 06:20 PM
I think you fail to realize the scale on which some of this stuff is played/watched. The reason these industries are profitable is because they sell like hotcakes. If ten thousand people with rape or violence fetishes suddenly had nothing with which to vent those urges, it is not a far cry to suggest that our hypothetical "John" could be among them.
I do see your point how those industries do make a lot of money and those products can be quite satisfying to some people, so they might go that route you mentioned. However, I still think if hentai is ban I think those people will be to find other means of entertainment that is not of a sexual violence nature and hurting anyone. Not saying you're wrong or anything.

The thing is that if you are going to ban Hentai then you also need to ban porn. Hentai is actually the animate version of porn and really I can't support banning one without the other when they use that excuse.

The thing is that if they are claiming that, then they need to basically get rid of all media that is above PG. It is easy to make the claim that 'x factor' is responsible for violence.
Double agree. Yeah, so weird they worked up on animated porn and not mentioning the real thing (Sukenbe) , which I think the Japanese has quite a bit too.

twocows
September 24th, 2009, 06:36 PM
I do see your point how those industries do make a lot of money and those products can be quite satisfying to some people, so they might go that route you mentioned. However, I still think if hentai is ban I think those people will be to find other means of entertainment that is not of a sexual violence nature and hurting anyone. Not saying you're wrong or anything.I'm sure most of them would, just as I'm sure that there are a few who wouldn't. And it only takes a few to ruin a bunch of lives.

22sa
September 24th, 2009, 08:12 PM
I can't take UN seriously on this.

They have no proof that RapeLay or any other sexual violence video game actually increases overall sexual violence against women in society. For all we know, the opposite might even be true, that RapeLay helped rapists control their desires instead of attacking real people.

These are games with a serious, mature themes to them. They're products plenty of intelligent people may wish to use.

Porn/hentai is too popular; a ban cannot be enforced anyway. But more importantly, telling video game companies they can't make certain games is censoring freedom of speech which is too retarded for any educated, free society.

A proper study on the negative effects of these games should be made first at least. I think interviews with actual rapists sitting in prison regarding these games might help shed a light on this subject. Whatever they'd say would at least be something more convincing then the opinions of these panicking idiots.

Rape is about power: about forcing a target into a position in which the rapist can do anything he wants to the target. When the target is a human being, it's a life-threatening (or worse) form of violation of human right. It's revolves around ideas such as intention to kill, lust and human sacrifice.

I don't see how something as serious and big as real rape has anything to do with a video game. There's no reason a sane man wouldn't be able to tell the difference between controlling virtual girls and violating a real girl's (or anybody's) human rights. Imitating a video game is a childish act--I doubt it can be compared to a real rapist's or killer's thoughts. No grown up can't tell the difference.

Althought hentai will ocassionally suggest and/or promote child pornography, it's sort of like how that's what really happens and Japan's just making it in case you wanna do it but don't want to actually do it (erm, did that make sense). Even in the situation that someone admits that they were influenced by it, there are millions of others who have read/played it and have been unaffected by it. So I don't see the point of ruining everyone's pleasure.Exactly, and this applies to any violent/mature video game. Hentai games don't deserve to be singled out for banning.

Masterge77
September 25th, 2009, 02:35 PM
I may hate hentai and Porno, but this is just WRONG, This is like something 4Kids or Jack Thompson would do.........

Jolene
September 25th, 2009, 03:54 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to defend hentai. I know it's all make-believe and that it doesn't hurt anybody, and I agree that it probably doesn't cause men to commit crimes or anything like that, but I'd still rather it didn't exist. My reasoning is that hentai seems to have a negative effect on the portrayal of women in Japanese culture:

Lots of the popular manga artists who pretty much shape tween/teen culture started their careers by drawing hentai comics. Often, themes from their hentai work seem to seep across into their mainstream work, such as female characters with skimpy outfits and super-submissive attitudes. Worryingly, these pseudo-hentai characters then become role models for young girls, or they give boys the wrong idea about how girls should be treated. Admittedly, the same kind of thing happens here in the US with stuff like Hannah Montana, but the problem is a lot worse in Japan. Japan is pretty much a lost cause when it comes to the portrayal of women, in my opinion.

If hentai were to go away, I think that we'd probably start to see stronger female characters in Japanese media, who'd serve as good role models for kids. But it probably won't happen. I don't expect Japan to cave in to this UN pressure at all.

twocows
September 25th, 2009, 07:47 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to defend hentai. I know it's all make-believe and that it doesn't hurt anybody, and I agree that it probably doesn't cause men to commit crimes or anything like that, but I'd still rather it didn't exist. My reasoning is that hentai seems to have a negative effect on the portrayal of women in Japanese culture:

Lots of the popular manga artists who pretty much shape tween/teen culture started their careers by drawing hentai comics. Often, themes from their hentai work seem to seep across into their mainstream work, such as female characters with skimpy outfits and super-submissive attitudes. Worryingly, these pseudo-hentai characters then become role models for young girls, or they give boys the wrong idea about how girls should be treated. Admittedly, the same kind of thing happens here in the US with stuff like Hannah Montana, but the problem is a lot worse in Japan. Japan is pretty much a lost cause when it comes to the portrayal of women, in my opinion.

If hentai were to go away, I think that we'd probably start to see stronger female characters in Japanese media, who'd serve as good role models for kids. But it probably won't happen. I don't expect Japan to cave in to this UN pressure at all.
If you think hentai is degrading women in Japan, then I think you're full of it. Maybe real pornography does, but fake drawn stuff doesn't degrade anyone. All it does is help people get their jollies off in a way that doesn't hurt anyone. Would you rather those same men go out and trick women into having sex with them instead (like a lot of men do here, where hentai is often shunned)? I think that's a bit more degrading, personally.

Also, it seems like you're implying that there are no positive female role models in anime/manga. That's also a load.

Bay Alexison
September 25th, 2009, 08:59 PM
I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to defend hentai. I know it's all make-believe and that it doesn't hurt anybody, and I agree that it probably doesn't cause men to commit crimes or anything like that, but I'd still rather it didn't exist. My reasoning is that hentai seems to have a negative effect on the portrayal of women in Japanese culture:

Lots of the popular manga artists who pretty much shape tween/teen culture started their careers by drawing hentai comics. Often, themes from their hentai work seem to seep across into their mainstream work, such as female characters with skimpy outfits and super-submissive attitudes. Worryingly, these pseudo-hentai characters then become role models for young girls, or they give boys the wrong idea about how girls should be treated. Admittedly, the same kind of thing happens here in the US with stuff like Hannah Montana, but the problem is a lot worse in Japan. Japan is pretty much a lost cause when it comes to the portrayal of women, in my opinion.

If hentai were to go away, I think that we'd probably start to see stronger female characters in Japanese media, who'd serve as good role models for kids. But it probably won't happen. I don't expect Japan to cave in to this UN pressure at all.
While I agree anime and manga do have women be shown in skimpy outfits and such a little more than needed, I don't agree they're wrong role models. I'm female and I watched a lot of anime and read some manga that have women like that, and many of them are actually strong and independent thinking women. Even though the way they're drawn is due to fanservice, their characterization isn't affected that much.

piece of something
September 26th, 2009, 02:36 PM
If you think hentai is degrading women in Japan, then I think you're full of it. Maybe real pornography does, but fake drawn stuff doesn't degrade anyone. All it does is help people get their jollies off in a way that doesn't hurt anyone. Would you rather those same men go out and trick women into having sex with them instead (like a lot of men do here, where hentai is often shunned)? I think that's a bit more degrading, personally.

Also, it seems like you're implying that there are no positive female role models in anime/manga. That's also a load.

Just for fun's sake...how do you reckon real pornography degrades women? If you even think so.

twocows
September 26th, 2009, 08:38 PM
Just for fun's sake...how do you reckon real pornography degrades women? If you even think so.
I do think real pornography degrades women, especially commercial pornography. A lot of these people doing pornography are women who are having financial trouble and don't really know how to deal with it. Selling their bodies is an easy way to make money, but it's a sad situation that they shouldn't be forced into to begin with; especially since a lot of them are portrayed in a negative light in the pornography itself. I won't make a statement either way as to whether it should be banned, but it's certainly not something whose existence I particularly like.

22sa
September 26th, 2009, 08:51 PM
I do think real pornography degrades women, especially commercial pornography. A lot of these people doing pornography are women who are having financial trouble and don't really know how to deal with it. Selling their bodies is an easy way to make money, but it's a sad situation that they shouldn't be forced into to begin with; especially since a lot of them are portrayed in a negative light in the pornography itself. I won't make a statement either way as to whether it should be banned, but it's certainly not something whose existence I particularly like.
I wonder if it's really a sad situation considering those girls probably already participate in such activities in their private lives and porn star men are probably just as hot or hotter their average experiences.

I didn't just say that.

twocows
September 26th, 2009, 10:24 PM
I wonder if it's really a sad situation considering those girls probably already participate in such activities in their private lives and porn star men are probably just as hot or hotter their average experiences.

I didn't just say that.
I think you'd be surprised. I'm pretty sure that, given the choice, many porn stars would much prefer to have a different job, but simply can't find one.

Anyway, while I can understand why some (misguided) people would seek to ban hentai, I don't understand why any would move to ban hentai and NOT ban real pornography.

Zet
September 27th, 2009, 04:24 AM
hentai causes rape and violence towards women? How is that possible they make their breasts the size of torpedoes that defy gravity. Though let's not forget that real life porn has it's own "rape" genre... really makes me wonder what's causing rape... maybe it's eating too many oranges!

If the UN wants to stop rape and violence towards women, they just need to castrate every living male and problem solved.

Vanilla Kitsune
September 27th, 2009, 07:03 AM
Hentai has never been an interest to me. Porn, 2D characters, whatever, are a big turn off. I don't think banning hentai will do anything. We'll have the raging otakus and what not complaining about it. Anyone who actually watches the stuff will be in an uproar. Just like taking away pornography, it'll never happen. People enjoy the stuff too much. Its good they are taking a positive stand in this. Although Japan is a fairly safe and peaceful country, other countries aren't. It is good to promote woman's rights and try to sustain all the abuse.

Still, banning hentai won't do anything but get complaints from those who enjoy it, as well as the industry that sponsors/creates it.

Akio123
September 27th, 2009, 06:35 PM
First off:http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikipedian_protester.png
Secondly, news flash: those people are PREDISPOSED to being more violent. Correlation is NOT causation. Someone who bats someone's head in is likely to also enjoy things where they can virtually beat people's heads in. This DOESN'T mean that anyone that plays a game where you can bash someone's head in is going to go out and do it, and it certainly doesn't mean that violent games cause violent behavior. However, if we took away a means for those people to vent their violent tendencies, their real life behavior very well might change to reflect their violent natures. The same rules apply to pornography as to violent video games; there is no proven link, and even if there was, it would probably not be causal.



A. Look at any Social Psychology textbook. ANY psychology textbook and you will find that.
B. Did I say Correlation=Causation? Please don't misinterpret what people say. Human are naturally violent, but certain stimuli act as catalysts to activate said violent behavior.

Shion
September 27th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Did I say Correlation=Causation?

You implied so earlier (highlighted in bold):

Honestly, why does anyone care? It's hentai...in any case if they are trying to ban violent pornography then what's wrong with that? Psychologically and statistically speaking men who watch violent rape pornography and more likely to beat and or rape women so what is wrong with taking away a factor that can increase such a negative act?

Show us proof that there is any correlation in the first place. CITATION NEEDED.

Even if there is any correlation, just because it can (very unlikely) increase a negative act does not mean it should be banned. It is an irrational breach of human rights. Are you fine with all violent entertainment being banned just because it has a minuscule chance of making people aggressive?

kohei
September 27th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Equality Now lost meaning to me ever since they gave Illusion a bad name and tried banning an old game that wasn't even meant for the foreign market :/

speedinglight
September 27th, 2009, 09:55 PM
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb278/makesomenoise865/MUGEN/iori2.gif

Sorry for doing that...

But anyways, are these people delusional?

If they wanted to ban games that promote violence against girls then they might as well ban fighting games and/or RPG's while they're at it -_-;

twocows
September 28th, 2009, 11:38 AM
A. Look at any Social Psychology textbook. ANY psychology textbook and you will find that.
B. Did I say Correlation=Causation? Please don't misinterpret what people say. Human are naturally violent, but certain stimuli act as catalysts to activate said violent behavior.
Shion pretty much covered what I was going to say, but I'll make one addendum. NAME ONE. I said cite your sources, not say that there are sources. I've looked at a number of psychological texts (seeing as how I took a few psychology and sociology courses in high school and my freshman year of college). I haven't seen anything that shows a relationship between violent entertainment and violent behavior, much less a causal link.

On the other hand, I have numerous sources I can name. Before you argue that these sources are mostly about video games, the argument is roughly the same: violent media inspires violence (not to mention a lot of hentai presents in the form of a video game). Games are generally considered to be more immersive than other mediums, so the link should be stronger for video games, right?

Vastag, B. “Does Video Game Violence Sow Aggression?” Journal of the American Medical Association. 2004.
Summary: "If video games do increase violent tendencies outside the laboratory, the explosion of gaming over the past decade from $3.2 billion in sales in 1995 to $7 billion in 2003, according to industry figures would suggest a parallel trend in youth violence. Instead, youth violence has been decreasing."

Baldaro, B., et al. “Aggressive and Non-Violent Videogames: Short-Term Psychological and Cardiovascular Effects on Habitual Players.” Stress and Health, Vol. 20, pp. 203-208. 2004.
Summary: study showed no correlation between playing violent games and hostile tendencies.

Bensley, L. & Van Eeenwyk, J. “Video Games and Real-Life Aggression: Review of the Literature.” Olympia, WA: Washington State Department of Health. 2002.
(...)after controlling for psychosocial factors, association between aggression and playing video games was not statistically significant.
Self-explanatory.

Williams, D. & Skoric, M. “Internet Fantasy Violence: A Test of Aggression in an Online Games.” 2005.
Research on violent video games suggests that play leads to aggressive behavior. A longitudinal study of an online violent video game with a control group tested for changes in aggressive cognitions and behaviors. The findings did not support the assertion that a violent game will cause substantial increases in real-world aggression.” The results determined that, “...game play controlling for gender, age, and time one aggression scores - was not a significant predictor of aggressive cognitions. Compared to the control group, participants after the experiment were not statistically different in their normative beliefs on aggression than they were before playing the game.

In other words, despite numerous claims to the contrary, there is no correlation between violent media and aggression. SURPRISE! But why is there no link? To answer that, let me give you a few more texts.

Sternheimer, K. “Do Video Games Kill?” Contexts, Vol. 6, Issue 1, pp. 13-17, Winter, 2007.
“It is equally likely that more aggressive people seek out violent entertainment. Aggression includes a broad range of emotions and behaviors, and is not always synonymous with violence. Measures of aggression in media-effects research have varied widely, from observing play between children and inanimate objects to counting the number of speeding tickets a person received. Psychologist Jonathan Freedman reviewed every media-violence study published in English and concluded that “the majority of studies produced evidence that is inconsistent or even contradicts” the claim that exposure to media violence causes real violence.” (Page 15)
Violent people seek out violent entertainment. It's not the entertainment that makes them violent; they're already violent.

Tremblay, R. “Physical Aggression During Early Childhood: Trajectories and Predictors.” Pediatrics. 2004.
Summary: "Most children have initiated the use of physical aggression during infancy, and most will learn to use alternatives in the following years before they enter primary school. Humans seem to learn to regulate the use of physical aggression during the preschool years. Those who do not appear to be at highest risk of serious violent behavior during adolescence and adulthood."
Most people have some violent tendencies, but learn ways to cope with such urges. Violent media is one way of doing this.

Sternheimer, K. “It’s Not the Media: The Truth About Pop Culture’s Influence on Children.” 2003.
“violent video games are a lot like dreams where we work out our fears or anxieties without actually ever engaging in them.” (p.114)
Self-explanatory. Replace "violent video games" with "violent sex simulators;" the concept is the same.

Zet
September 29th, 2009, 01:17 AM
Hentai has never been an interest to me. Porn, 2D characters, whatever, are a big turn off. I don't think banning hentai will do anything. We'll have the raging otakus and what not complaining about it. Anyone who actually watches the stuff will be in an uproar. Just like taking away pornography, it'll never happen. People enjoy the stuff too much. Its good they are taking a positive stand in this. Although Japan is a fairly safe and peaceful country, other countries aren't. It is good to promote woman's rights and try to sustain all the abuse.

Still, banning hentai won't do anything but get complaints from those who enjoy it, as well as the industry that sponsors/creates it.
What about 3D porn? it's like real life except cartoonish

Vanilla Kitsune
September 29th, 2009, 09:07 AM
What about 3D porn? it's like real life except cartoonish

I'm not sure where you are going with this. If its whether I like 3D porn, then the answer is no. Porn, in my opinion, is a waste of time. Its really the same stuff over and over again unless you have a particular fetish that is uncommon or not widely known. I just don't enjoy porn period. I'm not saying that viewing it or enjoying it makes you a bad or indecent person. If it helps with sexual urges, then its better that way. Of course, this is my opinion. Don't take it literally.

If this is about banning 3D porn, then, it probably won't happen. Porn will never be banned. You'd have to take down all those naughty statues placed around the world. (Like in Italy) ... Bad joke is bad.

twocows
September 29th, 2009, 12:03 PM
I'm not sure where you are going with this. If its whether I like 3D porn, then the answer is no. Porn, in my opinion, is a waste of time. Its really the same stuff over and over again unless you have a particular fetish that is uncommon or not widely known. I just don't enjoy porn period. I'm not saying that viewing it or enjoying it makes you a bad or indecent person. If it helps with sexual urges, then its better that way. Of course, this is my opinion. Don't take it literally.

If this is about banning 3D porn, then, it probably won't happen. Porn will never be banned. You'd have to take down all those naughty statues placed around the world. (Like in Italy) ... Bad joke is bad.
I think you underestimate just how powerful governments can become. This sort of thing could easily happen in the 1984 world, and that world isn't exactly a far cry away away from places like North Korea.

Vanilla Kitsune
September 29th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I think you underestimate just how powerful governments can become. This sort of thing could easily happen in the 1984 world, and that world isn't exactly a far cry away away from places like North Korea.

I realize this. Still, people could easily get porn by means of illegal ways and what not. I wasn't trying to underestimate the government. I was merely stating my opinion of the fact that it probably won't happen. That doesn't mean it won't. Porn has always been around though, so I see it unlikely to be banned. And if I recall correctly, North Korea is very open about its pornography preference and laws. Whether it is relevant or not is up to you. I understand where you are coming from though.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=921c8d118eedb04f44a282ad6aecdf3c

ÇyänïdëÉX
September 29th, 2009, 04:45 PM
I am very surprised by the mature conversation going in this thread and by young people. I am very proud to see this going on. I will give my opinion on this as well. But keep in mind i am very proud of the mature minds we have in this thread, my hats off to you young'ns ^_^

Well my opinion is short, i don't even know why i am giving it. For one you shouldn't get to upset about dumb threats like this. I mean people do it all the time because they wanna be "christian" about it. This world is far from perfect and people should stop trying to change things like porn because it really can't be stopped. If it is stopped though, then people will find other ways around it. Its like taking drugs away from an addict, they will find a way to get them. Its the 21st century for gods sake, don't you think that we should be looking at more serious topics rather than "hentai causes negative effects on society". This is bull, its all dependent on the viewer, If its a person with low self control then of course they will go and do crap like this. But it mostly is of a psychological factor.

Some people are more prone to doing certain things than others, in a sense some people are biologicaly built to be more impulsive than others. Believe me if the person wasn't a rapist it would be either a killer, a thief, or some other type of crime.

In any case you cannot link hentai and rape, it just doesn't mix. Its like trying to pin the tail on the donkey. One thing though that i thought i should say is that before people go saying porn is bad and all that crap they should take a look at themselves. It makes people feel good, and is a stress reliever. Lets face it some people out there need it.

I am pretty sure my rant makes no sense at all, but i just thought i say that, since i am taking currently a class in psychology and therefore i can somewhat make a suggestion that part of it is boilogicaly built. All you really need is a trigger, or rather i should say, some of us have a shorter fuse than others, and not one of us know what will trigger that ignition.

Oh and again i am very surprised by the young surfers of this forum, very mature...it still is a shock to me from the stuff i see daily.

J
October 1st, 2009, 03:29 PM
Oh and again i am very surprised by the young surfers of this forum, very mature...it still is a shock to me from the stuff i see daily.

lol.

and yeah, i really don't like how they go around banning stuff left and right, on the pretense of "supporting oppressed individuals" and justifying their actions with that; surely they have bigger fish to fry than to deprive angsty young men of their output for sexual desires?
it's also kinda funny how everything was a-okay in the hentai industry/japanese society relationship before the foreigners decided to jump in (or did i not do enough research?)

well, it's simply not possible to solve discrimination entirely, so i guess the best they can do is to take a shallow approach at it, and make it seem that they're actually making progress.

("they" being whichever organization doing this, and stuff)

Shion
October 5th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Anyone who dislikes the trend toward bans on hentai should consider joining or at least looking at this website:

http://www.yestofreedom.org/

It contains some professionally prewritten arguments against hentai/lolicon ban that may be copied and used in e-mail.

Sulous
June 27th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Honestly? My opinion on this is that SOME hentai just shouldn't be made.
"Harmless" pleasures? .. In all honesty, some things just shouldn't be indulged in. Like... Say.. Child hentai? Rape hentai? I mean, honestly people, look what you're saying. You're defending cartoon pornography of all things.
If they ban it, there's really nothing you can do about it except complain and mope. I just really think they should do away with all of those sick little things people call "fetishes".

digi-kun
June 27th, 2010, 04:01 PM
Um...this is really old...like more than half a year old....

Oh, and the loli ban didn't go through. It flopped horribly.

/closed