Movie fan-cut/edit

[Redstar]

Excuse me if this is an inappropriate thread for this section; don't usually post outside Fanfiction and General.

I've been interested lately in doing a fan-cut of various movies (Pokemon and otherwise), with editing been a possible goal. Unfortunately, I don't have the best software or experience to do such a thing, just the vision and some work done taking notes on possible cuts/edits.

I was wondering if anyone here had experience with movie editing, particularly cutting sound and shots/scenes and making it transition well. If anyone does I'd like to maybe team up and work on a few small projects to see what we can do. Just for fun, since knowing you can make something better and actually being able to watch it is an exciting idea.

So, if anyone is interested, just post and maybe we can get a discussion started. Love to hear from anyone. :)

[patch.]

You need a download of the movie and Windows Movie Maker. That's the bottom line, and that's all I use to make things like AMVs.

[Redstar]

I have both. Another user in here scoffed at the idea of using WMM, though. She also went on about how editing videos increases the file size and eventually, always, crashes your computer. I don't think Mika really know what she's talking about.

With enough time and experimenting, I think I could cut the shots and scenes I want, though I'm not sure if it'll be entirely clean. But after that, I will need help as far as audio... There's sound effects, dialogue, and the sound track that I want to both remove and replace which will take a whole different type of specialist.

[Gummy]

I have both. Another user in here scoffed at the idea of using WMM, though. She also went on about how editing videos increases the file size and eventually, always, crashes your computer. I don't think Mika really know what she's talking about.



If you're using WMM, that probably won't happen. However, in my school's film class we use Final Cut Express/Pro and I know for a fact my home computer can never handle that program. My very simple 3-minute project finished at little more than half a gig, and that was with the simple, prerendered transitions.

Anyways, don't know if this thread exactly belongs here, but I'd like to believe film ties in somewhat with graphics and photography. I'll leave it be for now, but if Loki thinks otherwise she can do whatever with it.

[Redstar]

If you're using WMM, that probably won't happen. However, in my school's film class we use Final Cut Express/Pro and I know for a fact my home computer can never handle that program. My very simple 3-minute project finished at little more than half a gig, and that was with the simple, prerendered transitions.
Yeah, I'd think it depends mostly on the software you're using and how it handles on your hardware. I have a few friends that work with audio and visual, and they seemed rather confused by her assertions. So it's probably just personal experience.

Anyways, don't know if this thread exactly belongs here, but I'd like to believe film ties in somewhat with graphics and photography. I'll leave it be for now, but if Loki thinks otherwise she can do whatever with it.
I looked about, and this is the closest forum I could find that would be suitable. Computers and Technology may have done, but I don't believe that forum deals with art so much.

[Mika]

*cough*

Okay so obviously you misunderstood what I was saying completely. :3

I told you, and I can verify this from my logs from the night we talked about this in #tpc, that you have to be careful when using the default programs on your computer.

WMM works just fine if your computer isn't really tricked out. The custom graphics card in my computer along made the entire program crash constantly because the computer was faster than the program could handle. Thus it crashed. And it crashed so hardcore once I had to send in my computer for repairs. It would lock up constantly and was all around a headache. I'm not the only person who's had problems with it; the people on Anime Music Videos [.org] don't recommend the program for this exact reason.

As far as the larger sizes goes, you asked what programs I used, not program. I use iMovie, a mac based client, and Windows Media Maker, a Windows based client on their seperate machines. iMovie, when it imports, copies the ENTIRE movie file into the program save file where as WMM makes abit of a hyper link to the file. I can prove, if you'd like it, a screen shot of file size of the project I'm currently working on. iMovie is not alone, Sony Vegas also tends to be large on the file size and if you're not careful you can crash your comp or make it run almost unbearably slow. xD;

So yea, sorry to confuse you Redstar but it is a tad bit harder to explain things in #tpc with a character/flood limit than somewhere here on PC :3

One last notation, the way you export your video file deterimines the file size. .wmv is smaller than .mov which is smaller than .avi for the most part and it is also pre-disposed by the export settings [ie 320 x 240 versus a display of 800 x 600] as to how big the end product is.

[Redstar]

I'm sure there were misinterpretations all around, but I really didn't want to take your opinion when you automatically assumed I was making some sort of "abridged series" and said that my project didn't matter because it would be compared to one. It was insulting.

But in the end I figured it out. WMM doesn't work with the file (AVI), so i had to found an alternative. I've almost completed the project in terms of video editing, but the audio going to be something to figure out.

[Mika]

I'm sure there were misinterpretations all around, but I really didn't want to take your opinion when you automatically assumed I was making some sort of "abridged series" and said that my project didn't matter because it would be compared to one. It was insulting.

But in the end I figured it out. WMM doesn't work with the file (AVI), so i had to found an alternative. I've almost completed the project in terms of video editing, but the audio going to be something to figure out.

I did not say your project did not matter, I recommended following tutorials or starting with a smaller project before taking on something so horrendously huge simply so that you wouldn't be made fun of should you make a grave error. The abridged series interpretation came from the way you described your project which I apologized for upon learning that I was mistaken in my understanding of your project description. ^^;

As far as editing goes, you need to extract the audio. I've no idea what program you're using so I can't help you but you need to edit the actual audio through the audio track so it syncs up with your visuals.

The AVI isn't working in WMM because you don't have the DIVX plug in for WMM. You're getting audio but no visual, correct? It's most likely the plug in. You need to download it form the microsoft website if you want to import AVI's into WMM

[Redstar]

I did not say your project did not matter, I recommended following tutorials or starting with a smaller project before taking on something so horrendously huge simply so that you wouldn't be made fun of should you make a grave error.
Why would I be "made fun of"? This isn't grade school. If people were that immature to make fun of a first-timer than I don't really care what they're opinion is. It's a project for fun, so the Internet subcultures are none of my concern.

As far as editing goes, you need to extract the audio. I've no idea what program you're using so I can't help you but you need to edit the actual audio through the audio track so it syncs up with your visuals.
The program I'm using automatically has the audio (sound effects, sound track, etc.) on different channels. I'll look into that before doing anything else.

The AVI isn't working in WMM because you don't have the DIVX plug in for WMM. You're getting audio but no visual, correct? It's most likely the plug in. You need to download it form the microsoft website if you want to import AVI's into WMM
Yes. I already went to the website and downloaded the missing codec, and it still didn't work. I've already started work in a different program that works much better, so WMM isn't really a concern for me anymore.

[Redstar]

I finished up cutting and now have a good idea of what I want this to end up like. Now I'm just looking for footage to splice into the movie for an extended movie, which should be easy enough, but I'd also like to digitally add or layer some new effects. That'll be hard. Anyone with that kind of experience?

[Counterfeit]

WMM works just fine if your computer isn't really tricked out. The custom graphics card in my computer along made the entire program crash constantly because the computer was faster than the program could handle. Thus it crashed. And it crashed so hardcore once I had to send in my computer for repairs.I looked about, and this is the closest forum I could find that would be suitable. Computers and Technology may have done, but I don't believe that forum deals with art so much.I would've gone to Computers and Technology, that way you wouldn't have gotten such atrociously ill-informed advice. o.o'

[Bigdog]

I have both. Another user in here scoffed at the idea of using WMM, though. She also went on about how editing videos increases the file size and eventually, always, crashes your computer. I don't think Mika really know what she's talking about.

With enough time and experimenting, I think I could cut the shots and scenes I want, though I'm not sure if it'll be entirely clean. But after that, I will need help as far as audio... There's sound effects, dialogue, and the sound track that I want to both remove and replace which will take a whole different type of specialist.




WMM sometimes crashes your computer due to either having too many programs open or not having the right amount of CPU or RAM.
Videos exported from WMM can be sometimes too big ,but with the correct settings for video formats and such for exportation ,you'll have reasonable output sizes.
Get Audacity for sound editing. It's the cheapest way to edit sound because it's free.
Just mute the audio and dub it over . They do it all the time with anime and foreign films ,but you'll have to get some equipment ,and that can cost alot of money, depending on what you need.

[Gummy]

Okay, so this obviously moving in a very technical direction. Gonna pass this onto Computers and Technology for now~

[twocows]

I have both. Another user in here scoffed at the idea of using WMM, though. She also went on about how editing videos increases the file size and eventually, always, crashes your computer. I don't think Mika really know what she's talking about.
Bugger off, Mika knows what she's talking about. WMM is fine if you're going to do some basic stuff, but if you're going to get into doing a lot of editing, you're going to want to find something that isn't a steaming pile of crap. I recommend browsing through the software listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software and seeing if there's anything you personally like better than WMM. Sony Vegas and Adobe Premiere are both pretty popular paid products, but even some of the free ones might be useful to you.