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Teh Blazer
January 19th, 2010, 04:44 PM
In the Fr/Lg games (and even in R/B/Y), when you go to Nugget Bridge, your rival is there. After you beat him he gloats about him catching 40 types of Pokemon, BULL! I know i'm not good with counting, but i'm positive you can't find 40 Pokemon from Pallet to Cerulean (Even with evolving!) just like that. Did he just say that to gloat, or was that jerk telling the truth? If he did (most likely) gloat, why did he do it? I thought Rival only cared to be better than you in Pokemon fighting...

[b]Actually, your rival talks about this during the S.S ANNE. Sorry for the confusion[/s]

Chaos Rush
January 19th, 2010, 04:52 PM
He says that he found 40 different kinds on the fight on the S.S. Anne. I remember a few months ago someone actually counted how much Pokemon you can get from Pallet Town to Vermilion, and you can actually get 42 without trading.

FalconsDrummer
January 19th, 2010, 05:06 PM
Hm . . . you do have to wonder why, if he has caught 40 kinds, he only uses 4 or 5 Pokémon in battle. :P

Kimicatdemon
January 19th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Hm . . . you do have to wonder why, if he has caught 40 kinds, he only uses 4 or 5 Pokémon in battle. :P

Pretty much sums up what I was thinking in a nutshell.

BHwolfgang
January 19th, 2010, 07:47 PM
He evolved his Pokemons? He probably went to Vermillion already but came back to see Bill.

Teh Blazer
January 19th, 2010, 09:20 PM
He says that he found 40 different kinds on the fight on the S.S. Anne. I remember a few months ago someone actually counted how much Pokemon you can get from Pallet Town to Vermilion, and you can actually get 42 without trading.

Really? I should check that later...

JaniWesker
January 19th, 2010, 09:44 PM
I remember in the anime, Gary had 200+ Pokémons but he had some of these like 3-4 times each. Maybe that's what he wanted to say in the game.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
January 20th, 2010, 11:23 AM
Actually, who's to say he hasn't traded yet? After all, later in the game his Kadabra evolves to Alakazam, so he must have traded for that to happen. So, perhaps he's also traded before boarding the S.S. Anne.

560cool.
January 20th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Actually in the S.S Anne was the time he said that ...

And I counted , and together with EVOs you can even get 41 Pokemon by the SS Anne and make him feel so unimportant .... !

Teh Blazer
January 21st, 2010, 09:02 PM
Then, what would happen if you beat him in catching pokemon? I'd like to see the expression o his face...

~RNC~
January 21st, 2010, 09:08 PM
Well, in my opinion, even if he did or didn't catch 40 pokes, he was just doing it to brag, just like he always did in all the games!!

GlitchCity
January 23rd, 2010, 07:53 PM
When I was playing my LG version I too was having doubts about him catching 40 pokemon, then I checked and you can get over 40 without trading

Wings Don't Cry
January 26th, 2010, 01:18 AM
Can't believe he had 40 Pokemon at that time. I didn't even have 20 when I challenged the Elite 4, but I guess that says more about me than him.

ChrisTom
January 28th, 2010, 01:13 PM
Yes, he probably did trade the Alakazam, but he claims he CAUGHT the Pokemon.

Also, perhaps he didn't mean 40 different types, just 40 Pokemon in general...

Jak
January 28th, 2010, 04:52 PM
I think he's a loser that lied to try to impress you, especially if you're the female player. But in all seriousness, you can get about 41 or so without trading. But I do agree on that I don't understand why he wouldn't use them. Gary is really picky though, so he probably only picked the Pokemon he thought were the best. That doesn't explain Raticate very well, does it?

Also, the original RBY was made back when the motto was all "Gotta catch'em all!" so I think it could also be viewed as a marketing scheme. Just my opinion though.

InfernoRogue
January 28th, 2010, 10:37 PM
I think he had a chance of actually getting 40 pokemon, but I mostly think he was just bragging.

Ninja Caterpie
January 29th, 2010, 12:22 AM
Could just have 39 other Pidgey. That'd explain why he only uses a few Pokemon.

Nintendork15
January 29th, 2010, 05:24 AM
I remember in the anime, Gary had 200+ Pokémons but he had some of these like 3-4 times each. Maybe that's what he wanted to say in the game.


Yeah but i didnt get that in the anime coz it was before he does the last gym .... but in those times there were 151 pokemon .... :S

Myles
January 29th, 2010, 06:28 AM
Is the total amount possible caught by then counting in the current evolution of his starter?

Fr0z3n
January 29th, 2010, 10:52 PM
But haha, remember, some pokemon are limited in some versions.

Timbjerr
January 30th, 2010, 12:23 AM
...or Blue could be way farther ahead of Red than you think...

In R/B and FR/LG, assuming he didn't start with Bulbasaur, he'll have an Exeggcute (which can't be caught until the Safari Zone) on his battling team when you fight him in Lavender Town.

FreakyLocz14
January 30th, 2010, 01:36 AM
So this 41-42 figure is the amount you could possibly have with or without evolving?

Gary devoted his time to completing his Pokedex more than becoming the best trainer since the person he was doing the favor for is his grandfather.
In fact he doesn't decide to take the League challenge seriously until after the battle in Silph Co.

Nintendork15
January 30th, 2010, 01:54 AM
Gary doesnt say wether he got different kinds he could have just caught more than 1 of the same kind of pokemon ... :)

Froslass_Maniac
January 30th, 2010, 02:47 AM
On fire red I decided to catch anything I see what I don't have yet. Even though I got the pre evo's, I catch them all. :P (I do it so It will help me complete the pokedex on Pearl.) I'm now at cinnabar having 71 species. If you keep on catching anything you see what you don't have you can keep up with the amount the Aides want you to have for an Item. :P

It's possible to have 40 kinds of pokemon if you are on de S.S. Anne.

Teh Blazer
January 30th, 2010, 02:58 PM
When we say he evolved them, we do mean he kept under the level cap of what the game wants you to have, right? That means no lv. 35 Hypno or lv. 36 Pidgeot for Gary. Just a weenie lv. 23 (or something) evolved starter.

Ninja Caterpie
January 30th, 2010, 03:18 PM
When we say he evolved them, we do mean he kept under the level cap of what the game wants you to have, right? That means no lv. 35 Hypno or lv. 36 Pidgeot for Gary. Just a weenie lv. 23 (or something) evolved starter.

Nah, he has 35 level 2 Pidgeys.

DGexe
January 31st, 2010, 07:38 PM
*might get the answer to this*
I've been determined to catch every Pokemon possible in an area, wherever I go (evolutions included)-- Shall I give y'all a number when I meet up with my rival in Cerulean City?

HUGE EDIT, WITH A BIGGER ONE AT THE BOTTOM:

So I did the research and...

Game: Leaf Green

I can aqquire 40* Pokemon if I am adamnant about evolution AND if I have enough Moonstones (three Pokemon need Moonstones, one needs Thunderstone).

*Assuming there was no trading, surfing, or rod-usage and that the rival never bought Magikarp on Route 3, and that he was willing to level up all those caught Pokemon to their evolved forms. Also assuming that he travelled Routes 1-25, took the detour at Route 22 (as one can battle him there after the Boulder Badge is obtained). ALSO there is a mild descrepancy thanks to the difference in available Pokemon between Leaf Green and Fire Red.

Dialogue: "Hey, guess what? I went to Bill's and got him to show me his rare Pokemon. That added a lot of pages to my Pokedex! After all, Bill's world famous as a Pokemaniac. He invented the Pokemon Storage System on PC, too. Since you're using his system, you should go thank him. Well, I better get rolling! Smell ya later!"

There is no actual mention, before or after, about how many Pokemon are caught-- at least, not at Nugget Bridge. On the other hand, if the rival was adamant about evolution, bought Magikarp, and was shown an unknown number of new entries thanks to Bill, there is a chance that maybe he's gained 40+ Pokemon by this point.

In conclusion, it is PLAUSABLE that the rival can indeed acquire 40+ Pokemon (or at least gain Pokedex entries about them), so long as he puts in the time and effort to evolve all those Pokemon to further forms. At this point in the game, catching 40 unique Pokemon is not possible, but evolution+Bill's entries can bring up the number considerably.

Pokemon List for LG and Reference, not including Bill's entries:

Bulbasaur (Rival's pick)
Ivysaur
Caterpie
Metapod
Butterfree
Weedle
Kakuna
Beedrill
Pidgey
Pidgeotto
Rattata
Raticate
Spearow
Fearow
Arbok
Pikachu
Raichu*
Sandshrew
Sandslash
Nidoran(F)
Nidorina
Nidoqueen*
Nidoran(M)
Nidorino
Nidoking*
Clefairy
Clefable*
Jigglypuff
Wigglytuff
Zubat
Crobat
Paras
Parasect
Mankey
Primeape
Abra
Kadabra*
Bellsprout
Geodude
Graveller
Diglette
Dugtrio
Drowzee
Magikarp
Meowth
**Magikarp
**Gyarados

*Possible evolutions not shown in the rival's team to be had yet or needing an evolution stone to obtain
**I didn't buy Magikarp, but it IS possible to obtain if you give up that 500 Pokedollars. Also keep in mind that Magikarp and Gyarados bring our total up to 47.


HUGE EDIT IS HUGE:
AH-HA! The "I've caught 40 kinds!" actually occures on the SS Anne, when you face your rival before earning Cut from the captain. In that case, yes, with the above post still in tact and additional Pokemon caught in routes 5 and 11 (and diglette cave, AND the old rod now used), it is very much possible to get 40+!

... Am I officially a nerd for figuring all of this out? >:

Teh Blazer
February 2nd, 2010, 05:35 PM
Yeah, even though your rival would be adamant for training, I don't think he'd actually train up to a Crobat or a Dugtrio (especially since you've been training and probably haven't got that far). I sort of doubt your rival would catch every freakin pokemon he finds. I also doubt he would find a clefairy, I spent weeks in Mt.Moon and found nothing...

DGexe
February 2nd, 2010, 05:57 PM
Yeah, even though your rival would be adamant for training, I don't think he'd actually train up to a Crobat or a Dugtrio (especially since you've been training and probably haven't got that far). I sort of doubt your rival would catch every freakin pokemon he finds. I also doubt he would find a clefairy, I spent weeks in Mt.Moon and found nothing...

Well... *chin strokes* He seemed adamant about filling up the Pokédex before Red/Leaf (and even tells the player that they won't be needed for the task in the first place), so more than likely to do this he would go ahead and catch every Pokemon...

"Then why is he always a step ahead of the player?!"

Because that's how Game Freak's programers programed the Rival to be. He's always better than you, meaner than you, tougher than you... until you cream him in every battle you have, at least.

Crobat does indeed taking leveling up, however Dugtrio can be caught at level 29 in the Diglett's Cave. And Clefairy is all up to chance. I started Leaf Green 3 days ago (when I put myself up to the challenge of catching everything I could catch), and although it took a while... I got a Clefairy.

Of course, if you take it that far, then you get into the whole AI programming versus human error and resolve. WE might not want to go lookin' for a rare Clefairy for five hours, but if the Rival's gonna be better than you and fill up his 'dex, his AI-programming dang sure will.


Like I said in my previous post, it's plausable that he could've caught 40+ kinds by the time you face him at the Nugget Bridge (and it's very, very possible once you reach him at the SS Anne), meaning it could happen but there is no 100% guarentee.

That was the whole point of this topic, yeah? About if it's possible to obtain 40 unique kinds (evolution included?) between Pallet Town and Route 25?

.Fenris
February 2nd, 2010, 09:35 PM
*might get the answer to this*
I've been determined to catch every Pokemon possible in an area, wherever I go (evolutions included)-- Shall I give y'all a number when I meet up with my rival in Cerulean City?

HUGE EDIT, WITH A BIGGER ONE AT THE BOTTOM:

So I did the research and...

Game: Leaf Green

I can aqquire 40* Pokemon if I am adamnant about evolution AND if I have enough Moonstones (three Pokemon need Moonstones, one needs Thunderstone).

*Assuming there was no trading, surfing, or rod-usage and that the rival never bought Magikarp on Route 3, and that he was willing to level up all those caught Pokemon to their evolved forms. Also assuming that he travelled Routes 1-25, took the detour at Route 22 (as one can battle him there after the Boulder Badge is obtained). ALSO there is a mild descrepancy thanks to the difference in available Pokemon between Leaf Green and Fire Red.

Dialogue: "Hey, guess what? I went to Bill's and got him to show me his rare Pokemon. That added a lot of pages to my Pokedex! After all, Bill's world famous as a Pokemaniac. He invented the Pokemon Storage System on PC, too. Since you're using his system, you should go thank him. Well, I better get rolling! Smell ya later!"

There is no actual mention, before or after, about how many Pokemon are caught-- at least, not at Nugget Bridge. On the other hand, if the rival was adamant about evolution, bought Magikarp, and was shown an unknown number of new entries thanks to Bill, there is a chance that maybe he's gained 40+ Pokemon by this point.

In conclusion, it is PLAUSABLE that the rival can indeed acquire 40+ Pokemon (or at least gain Pokedex entries about them), so long as he puts in the time and effort to evolve all those Pokemon to further forms. At this point in the game, catching 40 unique Pokemon is not possible, but evolution+Bill's entries can bring up the number considerably.

Pokemon List for LG and Reference, not including Bill's entries:

Bulbasaur (Rival's pick)
Ivysaur
Caterpie
Metapod
Butterfree
Weedle
Kakuna
Beedrill
Pidgey
Pidgeotto
Rattata
Raticate
Spearow
Fearow
Arbok
Pikachu
Raichu*
Sandshrew
Sandslash
Nidoran(F)
Nidorina
Nidoqueen*
Nidoran(M)
Nidorino
Nidoking*
Clefairy
Clefable*
Jigglypuff
Wigglytuff
Zubat
Crobat
Paras
Parasect
Mankey
Primeape
Abra
Kadabra*
Bellsprout
Geodude
Graveller
Diglette
Dugtrio
Drowzee
Magikarp
Meowth
**Magikarp
**Gyarados

*Possible evolutions not shown in the rival's team to be had yet or needing an evolution stone to obtain
**I didn't buy Magikarp, but it IS possible to obtain if you give up that 500 Pokedollars. Also keep in mind that Magikarp and Gyarados bring our total up to 47.


HUGE EDIT IS HUGE:
AH-HA! The "I've caught 40 kinds!" actually occures on the SS Anne, when you face your rival before earning Cut from the captain. In that case, yes, with the above post still in tact and additional Pokemon caught in routes 5 and 11 (and diglette cave, AND the old rod now used), it is very much possible to get 40+!

... Am I officially a nerd for figuring all of this out? >:

Good God, how long did it take you to find that out?

DGexe
February 2nd, 2010, 09:44 PM
Three days worth of playing (with breaks for bathroom, class, food, chores...) I started this playthrough four days ago, more or less.

Reira
February 5th, 2010, 05:48 AM
I think he was going crazy with the pokéballs, and catched everything he saw, JUST so he could turn up and brag about it later.

I also think he meant 40 pokémon, and not 40 different pokémon types.
Even though you CAN catch 41-42 different kinds at that time, I don't think he did it. He was obviously training his pokémon alot, so he may just've met many pokémon.

But that's just my opinion.