PKMN R/S E4 Team

[Ian]

Please rate my team and tell me any changes/improvements I can make to help me beat the Elite 4! [currently playing on Sapphire]

Ninetails lvl41
FIRE SPIN
CONFUSE RAY
SAFEGUARD
FLAMETHROWER

KYOGRE lvl48 [most likely will keep him in lineup]
BODY SLAM
WATERFALL
ICE BEAM
HYDRO PUMP

HARIYAMA [Makit] lvl36
EARTHQUAKE
STRENGTH
VITAL THROW
SURF

MANECTRIC lvl42
SPARK
THUNDERWAVE
THUNDERBOLT
BITE

SWAMPERT lvl38
ROCK SMASH
TAKE DOWN
DIVE
BLIZZARD

SWELLOW lvl31 [eep, needs training]
FLY
WING ATTACK
AERIAL ACE
STEEL WING

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I think Swellow should be replaced with a diff PKMN, but which one? I don't know. So, erm I am not asking for a rating, but what should I switch/change about my team so I can beat the E4?

NOTE: Don't say I need training -- I KNOW I DO AND I AM

[Toothache]

Try to get your Pokemon into the 50's at least, the movesets forum is more for what you do AFTER the Elite 4, for challenging other human players.

[Spike Razzor]

You lost already... I'm sorry, but its true...

[Toothache]

Level > all when it comes to ingame training.

[Ian]

NOTE: Don't say I need training -- I KNOW I DO AND I AM

Heh, yeah, I KNOW, but what about switching/changing any pokemon?! Dont you think Swellow should be replaced with something else, but what?

EDIT: Flying-type attacks aren't really useful for battling the E4, are they?

[deathbyalice]

These guys are right. The Pokemon are good, but you do need to level them up a bit more.

[Ian]

So, I don't really need to change any pokemon with any other pokemon? I have all the right pokemon in my lineup -- now just training? Wow...? xD *needs confirmation*

[deathbyalice]

It's good. Make sure Kyogre learns some good Ice attacks, and you should do well. I beat all the elite 4 with just my kyogre!

[Ian]

Wow, talk about lucky! :)

Erm, Kyogre has Ice Beam and Swampert has Blizzard, what other type of Ice-attacks are there? What are their names...and where can I get them?

[Ice demon]

Lord i can't believe no one said this yet

Ok please go read the advance trainer guide by frostweaver

and post ur dream team
not ur actual team.........................................

ie post what u want not what u have

[Ian]

And what good will THAT do? o_O

[deathbyalice]

Lol, don't overdo it with the ice attcks. That ice beam should be good enought. Also, make sure one of your party members knows Thunder.

[Ian]

Yes, Manectric will be learning Thunder here soon, after he levels up a bit. (it's a learnt attack at lvl45) ^^

So Swellow or Ninetails shouldn't be switched?! I just looked through the Pokemon Recommendations in my players guide and I dont see anywhere where you use fire-type attacks. o_O Grr......

Wait, maybe I do... for Steven's Metagross and Skarmory... Hmm.... gah!

[deathbyalice]

Keep Ninetales, you will need the fire power.

[Frostweaver]

And what good will THAT do? o_O
To save yourself from extreme misery if you ever even considered competitive battling...

[Star Crossed Dreamer]

There's a move Kyogre learns called Sheer Cold. It only has a 30% chance to hit, but if it does, it's an instant KO. I believe there are items and moves that can increase the accuracy of Ice Type moves. You're team is excellent, just do what everyone else said and level them up. That way you should have no problem taking down the Elite 4.

[Ice demon]

To save yourself from extreme misery if you ever even considered competitive battling...

Well i would shame
but misery works

Well it would help u become a better trainer and as a consequence a better battler
So that u won't put 2 moves of the same type on one pokemon
eg manectric with spark and thunderbolt
and so that u would understand what are each pokemons strengths and how to use them
eg - u put body slam on kyroge which makes no sense
and much,much more

[Ian]

Body Slam came with Kyogre o_O

[Ice demon]

Ok..........
whats ur point??

U can change it to thunder or rest or calm mind or any one of a number of moves that will work on kyorge well.

Ok please go read the advance trainer guide by frostweaver

and post ur dream team
not ur actual team.........................................

ie post what u want not what u have

Take the advice that was given to u and post back an upgrade to this team in this same thread if u want........

[DayDreamer]

U can change it to thunder or rest or calm mind or any one of a number of moves that will work on kyorge well.
Kyorge can learn Thunder? That would be a wise move to learn due to the constant rain (meaning thunder's accuracy is bumped up to 100%).

[Ice demon]

Kyorge can learn Thunder? That would be a wise move to learn due to the constant rain (meaning thunder's accuracy is bumped up to 100%).

Yes it can........as a result not even water types can stand up to this wet dude.

[Chansey Inc.]

What is wrong here? Everything! Everyone in his lineup should be clipped,(scizzor sound in background)Execpt Kyogyre and Swampert.....
New Team.....
Ditto Lvl 48 or Blazeiken Lvl 58
Kyogyre Lvl 58 or more
Swampert 52
Golem Lvl 53
Wailren Lvl 55
Raichu Lvl 59

*Sorry about the harshness*

[BigBoss]

for beating the E4, Blaziken is your best friend..... but you can't get one, so level up some.

[Mana Lugia]

What is wrong here? Everything! Everyone in his lineup should be clipped,(scizzor sound in background)Execpt Kyogyre and Swampert.....
New Team.....
Ditto Lvl 48 or Blazeiken Lvl 58
Kyogyre Lvl 58 or more
Swampert 52
Golem Lvl 53
Wailren Lvl 55
Raichu Lvl 59

*Sorry about the harshness*

... What... the... *Bleep* ?!!

[Ice demon]

... What... the... *Bleep* ?!!

Exactly.........
My guess is that its his own team or a bunch of his favourite pokemon......

especially since he gave exact lvl values for each.


What is wrong here? Everything! Everyone in his lineup should be clipped,(scizzor sound in background)Execpt Kyogyre and Swampert.....
New Team.....
Ditto Lvl 48 or Blazeiken Lvl 58
Kyogyre Lvl 58 or more
Swampert 52
Golem Lvl 53
Wailren Lvl 55
Raichu Lvl 59

*Sorry about the harshness*

Dude u need EVs, items and MOVESETS....
also if u look u would see 3 water types....
why??

[Chansey Inc.]

No..That would be a great team to have....The onl;y ones i one in it are the Swampert,Blazeiken,and Kyogyre....

[Mana Lugia]

Why would it be a great team to have?

[Demonion]

chansey inc. Its not your team, he decides which pokemon he wants on his team so respect that plz.

[Chansey Inc.]

I respect it perfectly...In fact...That was the same team i had Two months ago.....Screw Movesets.....If you are a trainer you can figure out your own movesets...I am only trying to help...This a great team because of its abbility to rule your opponents...

[Ice demon]

I respect it perfectly...In fact...That was the same team i had Two months ago.....Screw Movesets.....If you are a trainer you can figure out your own movesets...I am only trying to help...This a great team because of its abbility to rule your opponents...


I wonder why it rules other opponents???
Maybe its the cheap 00ber kyorge??
I wonder............
So lets exclude Kyorge for a moment: 3 of those pokemon are done with grass moves[2 of them with a 4x weakness], and blaziken and raichu are done to anything faster than them with earthquake to its name <cough>aerodactyle<cough>
And as for kyorge any Physical sweeper or shedinja can deal with it..


As for the rest of the post i'll let someone deal with you..........i'm way to tired...

[Mana Lugia]

I respect it perfectly...In fact...That was the same team i had Two months ago.....Screw Movesets.....If you are a trainer you can figure out your own movesets...I am only trying to help...This a great team because of its abbility to rule your opponents...

And which opponents would it be ruling? Ones that can kill water types pretty easily?

[Ian]

Ice demon you're REALLY ticking me off... *tries not to go on a cussing spree*

You are SO critical, I am asking for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM not MEAN critism.

Ok thanks... Just leveling up. I am getting some help w/ my moves and switching them around so it's right. Geez... -_-

[Frostweaver]

"If something doesn't hurt you, it's probably not the truth."

[Ian]

That quote isn't even true. -_-

It's not that it "hurts" it's ANNOYING to make the person feel better about
themselve and put ME down!

[Chansey Inc.]

It is good for someone to get some critism....For that **** Ice Deamon....He is probally stuck up and has no REAL Friends....SORRY IAN!!!!!!! If i made you mad....For ice Deamon....DOn't Tread on Me!!!!

[Frostweaver]

And there's no better way for the two of you to prove a point without setting up a semi-decent team (for now, the two of you has some rather silly suggestions that's best to be ignored should that person plan to competitive battle.) How hard can it be to beat the ingame trainers that you need specific Pokemon? Just high level, and let even Pokemon like Beautifly single-handedly sweep the entire Elite 4...

As for the quote, yeah I guess that it's only 90% true... Some truths are worth celebrating about, yet within the realm of strategy and gameboy games in PC, it's definitely 100% true. The more it seems "insulting" to you, the more likely it's the way to go. Afterall, we don't netbattle with nothing. Or try to netbattle any of us and test whose skills come out top.

[Iveechan]

If Kyogre has thunder, then Manectric is next to useless. Actually, Kyogre by itself can sweep most of the elite 4, just bring lots of elixers along so you don't run out of moves. The only problem may be Glacia because her Pokemon have a tendency to use hail, thus wiping out Kyogre's main advantage. Hariyama as backup, especially if it has thick fat, is great. I forget, did yours have brickbreak?

[Ian]

I have that TM... But haven't used it. Shall I teach it to Hariyama?

[Ice demon]

Ice demon you're REALLY ticking me off... *tries not to go on a cussing spree*

You are SO critical, I am asking for CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM not MEAN critism.

Ok thanks... Just leveling up. I am getting some help w/ my moves and switching them around so it's right. Geez... -_-

I'm being mean?!?!
Well whether it was constructive or mean is truely in the eyes of the beholder
ie - i didn't think i was being mean, but evidently u did.

It is good for someone to get some critism....For that **** Ice Deamon....He is probally stuck up and has no REAL Friends....SORRY IAN!!!!!!! If i made you mad....For ice Deamon....DOn't Tread on Me!!!!

You spelt my username wrong
Its "For that **** Ice Demon"
No 'a'

Anyway if u dudes had a problem with me then u should have just said so.
I would have lightened up.
Not that i think i did anything wrong......


Back on topic
for an intresting hariyama u may want to try
Hariyama[adamant]@leftovers
EVs - hp, def, Att
whirlwind
toxic
knock off
cross chop

it works.............too bad u don't have access to the FRLG move tutors
could have done alot more..........at least u won't run into gengar
but skarm is still a threat.

[Mana Lugia]

Yeah, but the in game trainer, if they're lucky enough to be programmed with a skarm, would be overly mentally challenged to use it correctly and they'd be all "OMG SKARM HAS SWIFT FLY PECK STEEL WING WTF I WIN" and you'd be like "HA HA YOU LOSE" And they'd be like "OMG I AM ONLY THE IN GAME WTF YOU DIDNT USE STRATEGY AT ALL"

[Ice demon]

Yeah, but the in game trainer, if they're lucky enough to be programmed with a skarm, would be overly mentally challenged to use it correctly and they'd be all "OMG SKARM HAS SWIFT FLY PECK STEEL WING WTF I WIN" and you'd be like "HA HA YOU LOSE" And they'd be like "OMG I AM ONLY THE IN GAME WTF YOU DIDNT USE STRATEGY AT ALL"

yeah but what if he's playing someone else?
if, God forbid, they have some skill and also have skarm this set would be screwed.

Dude!!!
I forgot my navy colour in my last post...........
that sucks

[Arcanine]

OK Ian asked for this thread to be locked so I will.
*Closed*