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GlitchCity
February 3rd, 2010, 03:20 PM
no seriously do you? I didnt like the 1st gen that much, but FR/LG completely owned them imo. The music is beyond awesome, expanded gameplay, and johto pokemon were included.

So what do you think?

off-topic: imo the FR/LG soundtrack for route 11 completely owned the others, including HG/SS

EDIT: for those of you wondering which ones were the classics, they are the RBYG ones.

Moltres111
February 3rd, 2010, 03:40 PM
I've never played Gen I, so I shouldn't really answer this, but i've seen videos of it, and.. ugh. There seems like there's nothing more to do besides beating the Elite four over and over again or maybe battling with your friends (via link cable that is) after beating the elite four for the first time. (and catching mewtwo, but whatever)

FR/LG had the Sevii Islands, which were fun in my opinion.

BlueEew
February 3rd, 2010, 03:40 PM
Nope.

Nothing will ever beat Red and Blue.

Gary Oak FTW
February 3rd, 2010, 04:10 PM
Of course gen 1 will have uber nostalgia in anyone who played them,but FR/LG made huge improvements in graphics and stuff like that.

Teh Blazer
February 3rd, 2010, 04:11 PM
Well, Fr and Lg recreate the classics, and add some. I think it did a great job!

Wings Don't Cry
February 3rd, 2010, 09:06 PM
Fire Red is how should I say it, uhhhhh crap. I hate people who rely on nostalgia as much as the next person, so I ain't gonna rely on it.

To me Fire Red was a big disappointment, the tiles were ugly the colors were pretty ugly is well, only the Pokemon sprites seemed well done. most of it was kinda crap, i know it's a remake of the originals but try to make it nice. In Fire Red it seemed like all these new features had were introduced in Ruby and none of it was used. Instead you got Red with ugly colors and tiles.

This is just my opinion but Fire Red and Leaf Green are by far the worst Pokemon games, to me it's such a big gap between it's not even comparable. Fire Red had like absolutely nothing special about it, other than introducing those crap islands.

Nero_Forever
February 3rd, 2010, 09:53 PM
Yes and no. I think FireRed and LeafGreen were better because of improved graphics and things like that but I believe Gold and Silver were much better than Red/Blue or FR/LG. There were so many new features added, it seems such a waste that these weren't carried over to FR/LG - like the day/night feature.

But I have to admit since playing FR/LG I have not even looked back at Red or Blue.

Wings Don't Cry
February 3rd, 2010, 09:57 PM
But I have to admit since playing FR/LG I have not even looked back at Red or Blue.

Really? Since playing Fire Red and Leaf Green, I started playing Red and Blue a whole lot more.

Ninja Caterpie
February 3rd, 2010, 10:31 PM
Fire Red is how should I say it, uhhhhh crap. I hate people who rely on nostalgia as much as the next person, so I ain't gonna rely on it.

To me Fire Red was a big disappointment, the tiles were ugly the colors were pretty ugly is well, only the Pokemon sprites seemed well done. most of it was kinda crap, i know it's a remake of the originals but try to make it nice. In Fire Red it seemed like all these new features had were introduced in Ruby and none of it was used. Instead you got Red with ugly colors and tiles.

This is just my opinion but Fire Red and Leaf Green are by far the worst Pokemon games, to me it's such a big gap between it's not even comparable. Fire Red had like absolutely nothing special about it, other than introducing those crap islands.

I daresay Fire Red and Leaf Green had the best tiles in any Pokemon game, and I'm sure many people would agree with me.

And you've based your whole argument on how FR/LG was crap on its tiles. Not a very solid base.

Fr0z3n
February 3rd, 2010, 10:43 PM
Meh, I like FR/LG, but the only bad thing is the Massingo cheat in Red and Blue.

white lancer
February 3rd, 2010, 10:54 PM
Objectively speaking, I'd probably say FRLG are better games. But I'd also say that Red & Blue were better for their time, and the nostalgia factor makes me prefer playing them. But not by much.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
February 4th, 2010, 08:07 AM
You can play as Leaf in FR/LG. That alone makes them superior. But better graphics, more balanced gameplay also made for a better game experience.

Only advantage of the originals was that Persian's Slash criticaled almost Every. Single. Time. Persian pwned back then.

Nintendork15
February 4th, 2010, 11:52 AM
other than introducing those crap islands.

THOSE CRAP ISLANDS are awesome
u fool how can u say that they have lots of stuff which no other pokemon game can hope to replace...
u and anyone who thinks that is a fooooooooooooooool

and yh the sevii islands rule i bet ur characters wishes they lived there ^_^ :D

Talli
February 4th, 2010, 12:02 PM
lets think Red and blue had the dupicating glitch..
yes the joys of missingno so no it don't.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/2/28/Missingno.gif/120px-Missingno.gif

Dopefish7590
February 4th, 2010, 01:33 PM
I played Leafgreen, and I liked them a lot more than R/B/Y, mainly because of the new feel to them, and the additions. The remixes to the music was pretty good too (Champion battle was awesome!). And the Sevii Islands were my favorite part of the game. R/B/Y was good, but I just enjoyed Leafgreen that much more. :)

Editman
February 4th, 2010, 01:36 PM
I liked the Sevii islands in FR to much.

The Red Chain
February 5th, 2010, 01:30 AM
The remakes do not beat the classics and never will imo.
RGBY was the first generation, the very first games, the beginning of the wonderful franchise known as Pokemon.

The days you stayed up way past your bed time as a child or teenager playing Red or Blue version on your Gameboy. Though you had a light on that could potentially get you in trouble you were too indulged in your game to be concerned. When you captured Pokemon that you liked, not for their strengths or defenses. When IVs and EVs didn't matter, and Natures weren't even a thought. Before hacking was even acknowledged and fun little glitches were all you knew. Spending hours training your Pokemon just to beat one Gym Leader. When every time you walked into a pixely gym your heart would pound against your chest. Getting fired up every time your eyes made contact with your rival's name.. feeling so ready to prove him wrong and totally wipe the floor with him. The times when challenging Gym Leaders wasn't a chore but was.. dare I say it.. fun. Being so overwhelmed with pride when, after days of training and re-challenging, you finally defeated the Elite Four ; and of course rubbing it in your rival's face that you are stronger than him.

Sure, it's graphics and music don't compare with FRLG, but the originals have something the remakes can never outmatch or hope to replace..
Memories.

Tanooki
February 5th, 2010, 01:58 AM
Two words: VS Seeker.

I love the 1st gen (crappy graphics and all), and still play the old games quite a bit even today. The one thing about them, however, that really lags, especially compared to the remakes (more so than graphics, or any other frills like the Sevii Islands) is Pokemon Training, which was made so much easier with the VS Seeker.

Let's be honest; training your Pokemon in the early games is a total bitc... well, you get the idea. It stinks. You can't battle any trainer more than once, which means training against wild Pokemon most of the time, especially late game. We all know the majority of wild Pokemon give very little useful EXP, and even the good ones are never as much as a trainers team.

Really, I like both sets about the same, and they both serve a purpose to me; 1st gen for nostalgia, and the 3rd gen remakes for easier and better training, EV's, and all that other fun stuff (can you say Sevii Islands?).

Zeffy
February 5th, 2010, 04:25 AM
The VS Seeker is one of the best items in FR/LG. But, I don't think it'll beat the childhood memories of those who play RBYG when they were still little, like me.

I do say though that both games; Classics and Remakes; are pretty much the same.

BHwolfgang
February 5th, 2010, 09:14 AM
The remake technically beats the original with all its improved graphics, new items, better sprites. I don't think nostalgia could solely be a driving force to say that the original was better than the remake.

.Busou Kihaku.
February 6th, 2010, 06:01 AM
Absolutely not. Playing Fire Red made me look down on Nintendo, seriously.

Caelus
February 6th, 2010, 10:53 PM
I wasn't really that fond of RBY, but I really like FRLG.

So yeah, I do think they beat the classics.

Muffin™
February 7th, 2010, 09:19 AM
Yea, I think it beat the classics. I don't know why people don't like it...

Syphr
February 7th, 2010, 09:42 AM
The people saying RBYG were better than FR/LG are the same ones who will/are saying that GSC owned HG/SS.

I personally enjoyed FR/LG more than RBYG. They were basically the same game, except for crappy sprites and bitty music. FR/LG is an upgraded version.

.Busou Kihaku.
February 7th, 2010, 12:19 PM
The people saying RBYG were better than FR/LG are the same ones who will/are saying that GSC owned HG/SS.

I personally enjoyed FR/LG more than RBYG. They were basically the same game, except for crappy sprites and bitty music. FR/LG is an upgraded version.
That's different, ofcourse Heart Gold will be better then a 90' ies game.
Fire Red just sucked.

ViniMC
February 7th, 2010, 12:52 PM
No. LG/FR were awesome - I really enjoyed travelling through Kanto again, now with better graphics and revamped music -, but RBY is unbeatable. I can still remember most of my 1st Red playthrough when I was 7/8 years old (being unable to complete Lavender Tower because my bag was full, accidentally Master Balling Snorlax, losing to Gary repeatedly, and finding (to my surprise) the very last untouched Rare Candy of the game hidden deep at the Power Plant, which allowed me to multiply them with Missingno...).
That's something FR/LG cant beat.

treglane
February 8th, 2010, 07:59 AM
Simple additions like running shoes was a big push to FR/LG. Nostalgia is good and all, but new and improved was better for me.

Swimmer Ryan
February 8th, 2010, 08:13 AM
Fire Red is how should I say it, uhhhhh crap. I hate people who rely on nostalgia as much as the next person, so I ain't gonna rely on it.

To me Fire Red was a big disappointment, the tiles were ugly the colors were pretty ugly is well, only the Pokemon sprites seemed well done. most of it was kinda crap, i know it's a remake of the originals but try to make it nice. In Fire Red it seemed like all these new features had were introduced in Ruby and none of it was used. Instead you got Red with ugly colors and tiles.

This is just my opinion but Fire Red and Leaf Green are by far the worst Pokemon games, to me it's such a big gap between it's not even comparable. Fire Red had like absolutely nothing special about it, other than introducing those crap islands.

FRLG were great games and by all means exceeded the originals. I think the only reason people hate FRLG is because of nostalgia.

TheAppleFreak
February 8th, 2010, 08:53 AM
FRLG were great games and by all means exceeded the originals. I think the only reason people hate FRLG is because of nostalgia.

Not necessarily. Glitches and other fun stuff could help too.

But for me, two words: Running Shoes. Two more words: Vs. Seeker. Two more words: updated sprites. Two final words: competitive battling. Need I say more?

ChrisTom
February 10th, 2010, 08:57 PM
No, no, no, no, no, no.

Sorry, I love the remakes, but no game remake will ever EVER live up to the original.

Let me put it to you like this;

If I made an "NEW SUPER BOWL" with brand new rules where it was "cooler" than the other, would it still live up to the history that the original had? I'm not even that big of a football fan, and I would find that offensive. I love the remakes, don't get me wrong, but it's just that I don't think they are better than the originals.

Nikorasu
February 13th, 2010, 02:45 AM
1. I hated the sevi islands.
2. I hated that it took longer to get mewtwo
3. It annoyed me that there were so many event pokemont hat were hard to get.
4. 1st generation was best.

560cool.
February 13th, 2010, 02:48 AM
Sure it did , It was a lot better than RBY .

Sevii Islands were OK , but the graphics were impresive , and the game was simply awesome !

extramaster
February 13th, 2010, 06:48 PM
Well it depends on how you see it... If you call heart gold/soul silver "the classics" then of course the classics would be better... Otherwise, Fr/Lg will definitely dominate the old gameboy colo(u)r games :D

Brendino
February 13th, 2010, 11:04 PM
I personally believe that Fire Red/Leaf Green does beat the original games, if only because there is a continuing plot after the Elite Four. I personally loved playing the original games, but when a new, updated version does exactly what the originals did (and more), it's hard not to say that the 3rd Gen games beat the originals.

Jubedube
February 14th, 2010, 05:54 PM
Call me tasteless, but I find the simplicity of Red and Blue/Green much more appealing. It was back when you could use brute force and completely murder people.

I Tried Voodoo Once
February 15th, 2010, 12:54 PM
Dare i say Wireless communcators?
easier mystery gifting/trading/battles,i remember all the double battles me and my friends had when we would get out of school...

RBY were fun but after you beat it... it was pointless unless you did the lv100 wild pokemon glitch, or the missingno glitch(s)

Demigod
February 15th, 2010, 01:05 PM
HG/SS, R/B/Y, FR/LG, D/P/PT = R/S/E

blueblur155
February 15th, 2010, 01:11 PM
I WANT to say that I liked FR/LG better, but, the truth is that I just CAN'T

LoneStarAkira
February 15th, 2010, 02:17 PM
I'd have to say that I think that they did beat the classics, but probably not as well as they could've. The graphics were cute and clean (I found RSE's a bit messy), and the music was remixed well, not to mention the extra areas and whatnot.

It could've still been better, though. I feel that they were incredibly lazy in the new areas like the Islands. They didn't even bother to touch up the Johto sprites, and the locations themselves seemed so rushed and boring. Even though I feel like it beat the classics, the classic still had that touch to it that a remake couldn't replace. Same goes to HGSS.

white lancer
February 15th, 2010, 02:52 PM
I personally believe that Fire Red/Leaf Green does beat the original games, if only because there is a continuing plot after the Elite Four. I personally loved playing the original games, but when a new, updated version does exactly what the originals did (and more), it's hard not to say that the 3rd Gen games beat the originals.

Agreed. The Sevii Islands, Vs. Seeker, and Running Shoes are almost enough to cancel out nostalgia and Missingno, so the games are about equal to me.

MasterChaos45
February 15th, 2010, 04:05 PM
Why do people hate FR/LG? Its pretty much R/B but with upgraded graphics and more features.

GengarNightmare
February 15th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Why do people hate FR/LG? Its pretty much R/B but with upgraded graphics and more features.
More like Hoenn graphics and Hoenn features. :/ *shot*

I just think it could've been better. The game was already made for them (they didn't have to develop a new story line, region, or new pokemon), so I think there should have been way more extra features. I mean, look how much stuff they've added to HGSS, THAT is a good remake.

And then, the little things, like moving Moltres to One Island....*facepalm*

Ninetales433
February 15th, 2010, 08:09 PM
FR/LG was a very fun game in my opinion,with the graphics,new features,and I even liked the Sevii Islands,but RBY was the game that made me a Pokemon Fanatic,so Yes and no.

tee_bird
February 16th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Instead of comparing the two side by side, I'm going to compare them with the initial reaction playing them.

Red was my very first, and probably the game I enjoyed the most. Every single thing I did was new to me, and I was so excited every time I saw a new creature.'

FireRed/LeafGreen was a remake, thus didn't have that same excitement R/B did. Because of that, R/B wins in my book.

Green20
February 18th, 2010, 12:41 AM
I will always love R/B/Y but I have to admit that FR/LG improved a lot. Like the VS seeker, and the music was better especially while battling your rival

Nikorasu
February 18th, 2010, 03:34 AM
Well, to be fair, i did really like the new graphics and the awesome looking sprites. R/B/Y didn't help them selves with the awful looking sprites.

But its original, it will be interesting to see if HG/SS are better then G/S

Nathanyiel
February 18th, 2010, 12:34 PM
Never!!! I hate the sevii islands, and also they fixed all the glitches and battle mechanics! RBY will never be beat.

Sora's Nobody
February 18th, 2010, 02:06 PM
I actually love the sevii islands, they were really fun, the thing i remember most about the islands is when you arrive on one island theres all does bikers :D

Immortal Carnage
February 18th, 2010, 02:09 PM
Well, considering it's exactly the same game just updated, plus extra areas, I'm gonna have to say yes to them beating the classic's.

xPsychosocial
February 18th, 2010, 03:31 PM
It's a great game, I loved it. I used to play it Compulsively and I always used to trade with my friend who had Ruby. It didn't beat the original for me though.

But I already played through Kanto before in Blue and again when I got Gold, Silver and Crystal so it didn't have the same wow factor as it did for me when I was younger.
They didn't beat the originals for me, but it was good to have Kanto updated.

Left4Dead
February 18th, 2010, 05:52 PM
The remakes do not beat the classics and never will imo.
RGBY was the first generation, the very first games, the beginning of the wonderful franchise known as Pokemon.

The days you stayed up way past your bed time as a child or teenager playing Red or Blue version on your Gameboy. Though you had a light on that could potentially get you in trouble you were too indulged in your game to be concerned. When you captured Pokemon that you liked, not for their strengths or defenses. When IVs and EVs didn't matter, and Natures weren't even a thought. Before hacking was even acknowledged and fun little glitches were all you knew. Spending hours training your Pokemon just to beat one Gym Leader. When every time you walked into a pixely gym your heart would pound against your chest. Getting fired up every time your eyes made contact with your rival's name.. feeling so ready to prove him wrong and totally wipe the floor with him. The times when challenging Gym Leaders wasn't a chore but was.. dare I say it.. fun. Being so overwhelmed with pride when, after days of training and re-challenging, you finally defeated the Elite Four ; and of course rubbing it in your rival's face that you are stronger than him.

Sure, it's graphics and music don't compare with FRLG, but the originals have something the remakes can never outmatch or hope to replace..
Memories.

This. When I played Red for the first time I remember never wanting to stop. All those batteries I went through just to play this damn game. I don't really judge stuff by nostalgia but... Come on, this is where it all began... Pokemon Red WAS my childhood. Fire Red didn't really re-light that flame (no pun intended) I had playing the original. Although I think it's great they re-made the games to give the newer generation or Pokemon players a chance to experience what we once had. So I respect the games, I just didn't enjoy them.