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FreakyLocz14
February 13th, 2010, 12:32 PM
Or should it be a disorder so that instead of locking up drug addicts when send them to rehab.

Feign
February 13th, 2010, 12:37 PM
Then first we'd have and want to question its source, I mean the addicts won't run out in numbers, but the drug sellers could make it better if they were all gone. I just wouldn't want to be paying someone's medical expenses for ODing on drugs and such (if that is the case, for Canadians). I'd think that locking them up would be a good deterrent from drugs though. XD

.little monster
February 13th, 2010, 12:50 PM
Or should it be a disorder so that instead of locking up drug addicts when send them to rehab.
I want to point out something.

Almost all cases where a drug addict is being trialed for drug use or anything of that matter, they are giving the option of jail or rehab.

Most however choose jail, because there are ways to get the drugs they crave in jail

Dragma
February 13th, 2010, 02:45 PM
This is a hard one to answer, because there's all kinds of people that will try and play the "It's my body, I can do whatever I want" card.

Personally, I think it should be a crime. If someone does drugs (non-prescription of course) and they have negative side effects, they put society in danger of being harmed.

And yes, I do know that there's always a way for people to obtain them, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be repercussions for druggies.

blackwell
February 13th, 2010, 02:52 PM
Drug laws are absurd as a minarchist I believe victimless laws should be repealed. It isnt the governments job to parent individuals.

Algo Fonix
February 13th, 2010, 03:01 PM
Not in America. It costs a load of money to keep arresting and jailing people who are only hurting themselves. The country is broke, and quite frankly, the money could go towards other, more important things. You know, like our debt.

blackwell
February 13th, 2010, 03:07 PM
The fed has no constitutional authority to make drug laws hence the reason they ammended the constitution during prohibition.

JTF2General
February 13th, 2010, 06:49 PM
Some teens at my school got kicked outta my school cuz they did drugs. I say that we send em to rehab, then we put em in jail for a while.

Edit: Forgot to mention: they did the drugs at school.

Zet
February 13th, 2010, 06:56 PM
Considering the fact that doing drugs is illegal, I think it should be illegal.

Gumball Watterson
February 13th, 2010, 06:58 PM
I don't think it is physically possible to do an inanimate object...

Because doing drugs is not just a harm to self but to others possibly as well, it is very deserving to be a crime by which peopl should be locked up for.

King Syn
February 13th, 2010, 07:08 PM
Considering the fact that doing drugs is illegal, I think it should be illegal.

Yeah this post sorta sums up this thread...

Kishijoten
February 13th, 2010, 07:12 PM
The word "drug" already sounds like a crime but because so many people have or do drugs you can't stop them every second. So, what can you really do about it? blame the person who invented drugs?. Probably not but really it's their desicion if they wanted to do this type of crime and when they do they'll face the consquences so we shouldn't really worry about something we don't do.

blackwell
February 13th, 2010, 08:44 PM
I don't think it is physically possible to do an inanimate object...

Because doing drugs is not just a harm to self but to others possibly as well, it is very deserving to be a crime by which peopl should be locked up for.

Yeah what a cop out. Also could you be any more vague. In what way would others be harmed?

Physically? Most violent crimes are commited stone cold sober.

Its no ones business what drugs someone uses.(Even for recreational purposes.)

.Gamer
February 13th, 2010, 09:23 PM
According to these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act) it is against the law, and it was decided back then that addiction is not a disorder.

So yeah........

Yeah what a cop out. Also could you be any more vague. In what way would others be harmed?

Physically? Most violent crimes are commited stone cold sober.

Its no ones business what drugs someone uses.(Even for recreational purposes.)


Uh, they get high and drive a car, crash into a car and kill people (and/or injure).

And since it is illegal, it is the governments job. Thusly invalidating both your arguments.

Also @ Your even more above post, it is the governments job to parent the people when those people are incapable of making a decision for themselves (due to being under influences) or they make decisions that harm others. Under that logic, murderers shouldn't be punished because "they can do whatever they want."

DonRoyale
February 14th, 2010, 12:47 AM
I say, having never done anything, make marijuana legal and enforce everything else, including cigarettes.

Is my logic twisted? Yes. Do I care? No. Argue it all you want, I hate cigarettes and I don't mind weed so I wouldn't mind seeing the two take each other's places. :|

Mizan de la Plume Kuro
February 14th, 2010, 01:01 AM
Then first we'd have and want to question its source, I mean the addicts won't run out in numbers, but the drug sellers could make it better if they were all gone. I just wouldn't want to be paying someone's medical expenses for ODing on drugs and such (if that is the case, for Canadians). I'd think that locking them up would be a good deterrent from drugs though. XD
Drug-sellers are hanged in Malaysia. To the government, their the root problem as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, I'm all for the rehab action on addicts.

Galukxy
February 14th, 2010, 01:30 AM
Considering the fact that doing drugs is illegal, I think it should be illegal.

hey that's exactly what i was gonna say... yeah i think dealing drugs should be illegal.

Edit: like Mr Macky from South Park says ' Don't do Drugs, m'kay? Drugs are Bad'

sorry had to add that to the mix :P

Virtual Chatot
February 14th, 2010, 06:12 AM
Dealing drugs should be illegal, doing drugs shouldn't be.

Prisons are full enough with murderers and white collar criminals who deserve to be in there.

blackwell
February 14th, 2010, 01:09 PM
Gamer put down the Kool Aid and listen.

DWI is a crime... so why not enforce it instead of making a preemptive attack on personal freedom?


The fed has no constitutional authority to ban drugs so by default it should be left to the states.

Saltare.
February 14th, 2010, 01:29 PM
I don't think so. It should have an age limit. Like drinking.

Because all these kids come to school smelling like weed.

blackwell
February 14th, 2010, 09:24 PM
Gamer I missed your straw man tirade on murder. When did I say you could do what you want? Your either very stupid or very dishonest.

Bay Alexison
February 14th, 2010, 11:12 PM
I want to point out something.

Almost all cases where a drug addict is being trialed for drug use or anything of that matter, they are giving the option of jail or rehab.

Most however choose jail, because there are ways to get the drugs they crave in jail
One way is by bringing a Boggle game. :P

Considering the fact that doing drugs is illegal, I think it should be illegal.
Hm, I thought I heard there are some countries that legalize the "bad" drugs or don't enforce the drug laws at least, but I think it also depends on the countries and which drugs are okay over there, so it varies.

Dealing drugs should be illegal, doing drugs shouldn't be.

Prisons are full enough with murderers and white collar criminals who deserve to be in there.
If that is the case, how will the people be able to get it without resorting to underground? If doing drugs is fine, then there must be a means of a free competitive market where the people can buy drugs with no hassle. Making something illegal sets a limit on something and can't be bypassed (how people are able to find loopholes and such though is another story).

Anyways, I know at least in my country drug laws are enforced, so pretty much it's a crime no matter what. Part of the reason why I'm okay with that is because it's one way to make easy money, which can leave huge consequences on the drug user, the drug seller, anyone connected to them, etc.

Yoshimi
February 14th, 2010, 11:16 PM
Many people are arrested simply for possessing it. There isn't any evidence left in the body that the person smoked it with the exclusion of marijuana.
I think that people should have the right to do what they want with their body if they are fully aware of what they are doing.

FreakyLocz14
February 14th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Well I'm a bit on conservative side and I think drugs are harmful to people. We should offer subsidized rehabilitation services to people with severe addictions that are an immediate health risk but I it shouldn't be a crime because they are addicted.

Cases that are that really life threatening can see people being civilly commited.

P.S.
The federal government actually does have authority in drug crimes anytime the substances cross state lines.

Virtual Chatot
February 15th, 2010, 04:48 AM
If that is the case, how will the people be able to get it without resorting to underground? If doing drugs is fine, then there must be a means of a free competitive market where the people can buy drugs with no hassle. Making something illegal sets a limit on something and can't be bypassed (how people are able to find loopholes and such though is another story).Legalize, tax it, and then sell it in pharmacies then.

blackwell
February 15th, 2010, 05:50 AM
Fed dosnt have such an authority to fight their tyranical drug war. Legalize and tax it. Prohibition is a perfect example people didnt stop drinking they just went undergound with it. The drug war simply is not worth the cost.

FreakyLocz14
February 15th, 2010, 01:01 PM
Fed dosnt have such an authority to fight their tyranical drug war. Legalize and tax it. Prohibition is a perfect example people didnt stop drinking they just went undergound with it. The drug war simply is not worth the cost.

Are you saying they don't or shouldn't have that authority?

Because the federal government has had the authority to regulate interstate commerce for a long time now.

blackwell
February 15th, 2010, 02:17 PM
They dont, they can not and should not overide the states on drug issue. It isnt considered commerce because its illegal to buy sell or own in the first place. ( BTW judicial review is horse ****.)

Daeva Okami-Luca
February 15th, 2010, 02:21 PM
I read the Thread Title, and I will give you my direct answer:

No, they shouldn't.

FreakyLocz14
February 16th, 2010, 07:56 PM
They dont, they can not and should not overide the states on drug issue. It isnt considered commerce because its illegal to buy sell or own in the first place. ( BTW judicial review is horse ****.)

It's interastate commerce whenever goods (legal or illegal) cross state or national borders.

blackwell
February 16th, 2010, 08:27 PM
No trade of the good needs to be legal for that to apply... Its a power grab from the states dont pretend otherwise your citing that power extremely loosely.

FreakyLocz14
February 16th, 2010, 08:58 PM
No trade of the good needs to be legal for that to apply... Its a power grab from the states dont pretend otherwise your citing that power extremely loosely.

Take this example:
A drug traffiicker has narcotics created in New York and has them driven or flown to California for sale.

Without the federal doctrine of intersrtate commerce, he (or she) could be prosecuted in every state those narcotics passed through on it's journey without violating the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution because each of those states is it's own sovereign jurisdiction.

Under the federal system, the states will leave him or her to be tried in federal court only once.

Cirrus
February 16th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Rehabilitation. If you're addicted, I think it's more difficult to get you un-addicted.

Yuoaman
February 17th, 2010, 04:57 AM
I agree that dealing drugs should be a crime, they're ruining the lives of other people just to make a profit, and that should be punishable. The addicts area actual the victims in the situation, as the dealers are the ones who make them addicts...

(I'm not including marijuana in this statement through... but that's a whole other discussion.)

FreakyLocz14
February 17th, 2010, 07:07 AM
I agree that dealing drugs should be a crime, they're ruining the lives of other people just to make a profit, and that should be punishable. The addicts area actual the victims in the situation, as the dealers are the ones who make them addicts...

(I'm not including marijuana in this statement through... but that's a whole other discussion.)

Maybe using marijuana isn't too bad but dealing it should still be criminal.
We still outlax selling tobacco and alcohol without a license so it makes sense that non-licensed persons would be prohibited from selling marijuana.

PokemonLeagueChamp
February 17th, 2010, 07:23 AM
Weed and crack=illegal. They should stay that way.
Acid, shroomies, meth, and ecstacy=scary stuff. DEFINITELY needs to stay illegal.
Tobacco=should be illegal.
Alcohol=needs more restrictions to prevent overuse and things like drunk driving.
That's all I'll say.

twocows
February 17th, 2010, 07:24 AM
Considering the fact that doing drugs is illegal, I think it should be illegal.
Come on, Zet, you're better than this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning). Unless you're referencing this (http://xkcd.com/703/), in which case, kudos.

No, drugs should not be illegal. As a matter of fact, any crime that doesn't specifically hurt a person or entity shouldn't be a crime in the first place. If a person wants to hurt themselves, we should try and help convince them otherwise, but punishing them for it isn't just a waste of time and money, it just doesn't make any sense.

PokemonLeagueChamp
February 17th, 2010, 07:29 AM
You really don't know what drugs do, do you? They make you want more and more and more, so you WILL steal to get money for more(criminal act). If the dealer pisses you off, or someone has money and won't give it to you, you'll likely kill them(criminal act), all in the name of drugs.
They are NOT worth legalizing.

twocows
February 17th, 2010, 07:40 AM
You really don't know what drugs do, do you? They make you want more and more and more, so you WILL steal to get money for more(criminal act). If the dealer pisses you off, or someone has money and won't give it to you, you'll likely kill them(criminal act), all in the name of drugs.
They are NOT worth legalizing.
I was referring more to marijuana and hallucinogens and such, but yes, there are drugs that have a tendency to create victims, like cocaine and such. These ones should not be outlawed either, but the distribution of them should be illegal. Punishing those who are fooled into using such crap are victims, themselves; giving them a criminal record isn't exactly going to make their lives any better (people with criminal records almost never get hired, so how do the get money? Answer: by selling drugs).

Nikorasu
February 17th, 2010, 10:56 AM
'Only those who provide the evil, shall be punished'

Nuff said :)

ChrisTom
February 17th, 2010, 05:48 PM
*Sigh*


This is one of those topics that is just... well...

It seems like people only think Black & White about this stuff. There is a Grey area, but people don't seem to take it into consideration.

If I say I'm for drugs, then everyone will think I'm a hippy/punk who steals, and eats out of the trash. If I say I'm against them, then I'm a conservative redneck, who wants to shoot every foriegn person due to compulsive xenophobia.

But since you people want an answer, by all means;


I don't do drugs. I don't want to do drugs. But take into consideration that there are even worse things we do with our bodies already .We smoke tar filled tubes of poison, which spew gasses into the air killing other people. We drink acidic chemicals to make ourselves relax. Frankly, I think beer smells, looks, and tastes like horse pee! I once questioned if it was horse urine. Now if you want to kill yourself, that's fine, but if it affects other people, then no.

Not many people know however, that the entire reasons drugs are banned is due to propaganda. We are all told that if you do drugs you go crazy, you lose your brain and your liver and lungs. But some of these things aren't even proven. Now I'm not saying we should do drugs (there still might be side effects)but we should at least make sure things are factual before spewing them in public schools like a bunch of broken records. The reason we are being told this, is due to several entrepeneurs in the first half of the century who didn't want their business being held back by workers using marijuana. The only reason cocaine is illegal is because in the late 1800's, a rumor spread that after and African-American used the substance he killed a woman. Now, this might have happened, but back then people were ready to blame anything on anyone who wasn't Caucasian.

So I don't think we should do drugs, I myself woudn't want to do them. But we also don't want to be told lies by people who don't really know what their talking about.

I hope you found that answer satisfactory.

With all regards,

-ChrisTom

Mattysaurus
February 17th, 2010, 07:27 PM
They should be illegal.
They ruin lives.
They harm other around.
And they are just plain wrong.

Marijuana on the other hand, should be legal.
It is just a plant that, when lit on fire, has some side affects.

blackwell
February 19th, 2010, 08:49 PM
You really don't know what drugs do, do you? They make you want more and more and more, so you WILL steal to get money for more(criminal act). If the dealer pisses you off, or someone has money and won't give it to you, you'll likely kill them(criminal act), all in the name of drugs.
They are NOT worth legalizing.

That class is what we call strawman fallacy.

Pokechamp would you consider yourself a constitutionalist?

Saltare.
February 20th, 2010, 08:05 AM
In social studies, we are having "the marijuana" debate. Wether it should be legal or not. In some states it's legal for medical purposes. But my teacher was saying you can go to the doctor and say "My eye is twitchy" and they will give you marijuana to stop it or something.


I hate how my friends come to school talking about how they are high. And they join these pages on Facebook that say "Stop talking about how you smoke weed. your not cool" or stuff along that line. My friends Krissie and Zack and Alex come to school and they tell me they are either high or hyper.

My mom told me the other day she said "If you want to know what weed smells like, ask your aunt Gigi. She can find someone to get a joint from and light it for you." I was like O_O