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CT_400
February 18th, 2010, 02:20 PM
Today in my Animal Science class, we were told that Massachusetts is trying to pass a law that will BAN THE SALE OF MEAT from Restaurants on Mondays ONLY to help the environment



Below are links to articles dealing with this possible 'Meatless Law' (THIS IS REAL) :


http://www.meatlessmonday.com/meatless-monday-in-the-media/ (http://www.meatlessmonday.com/meatless-monday-in-the-media/)


Articles/Blogs that DO NOT support the law



http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/02/12/mandatory-%E2%80%9Cvegan-mondays%E2%80%9D/ (http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2010/02/12/mandatory-%E2%80%9Cvegan-mondays%E2%80%9D/)



http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/12/cambridge-plans-taxes-veganism-climate-change/ (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/12/cambridge-plans-taxes-veganism-climate-change/)


http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/02/12/global-warming-hysteria-cambridge-ma-goes-loony/ (http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/02/12/global-warming-hysteria-cambridge-ma-goes-loony/)


http://forums.pressdemocrat.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7111054036/m/5331064769 (http://forums.pressdemocrat.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7111054036/m/5331064769)



http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=5541 (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=5541)





Articles/Blogs that SUPPORT the law (Provide me with those and I'll happily post it)


http://www.insidetoronto.com/community/health/article/71620--animal-agriculture-plants-heaviest-carbon-footprint-tva (http://www.insidetoronto.com/community/health/article/71620--animal-agriculture-plants-heaviest-carbon-footprint-tva)


http://www.goveg.com/environment-globalWarming.asp (http://www.goveg.com/environment-globalWarming.asp)


What do you think?

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?

Is this a pointless law?

Do you even care?

Why or why not?




Here is my opinion:

I think this is a stupid law the Cambridge Climate Congress is trying to pass. Vegetarians are slowly trying to FORCE meat eaters to eat veggies.

Sure we can still buy meat in grocery stores on Sunday and eat it at home, but why should we be FORCED to do so?

Vegetarians call meat eaters ‘heartless’ and ‘supporting animal cruelty’, but look at what they’re trying to do.

You don’t see meat eaters trying to pass a law that banns people from buying veggies at a restaurant.

I know, I know, this isn’t my state, but who’s to say that if this law gets passed, that it won’t be forced in my state too?

And for the record, there is already a 'Meatless Day', it's called LENT

.little monster
February 18th, 2010, 02:25 PM
What do you think?
That's stupid. :/ They act as if we aren't supposed to eat meat, that it's unnatural. No, stupid people. Also, that will never get passed.

and..

1. What is so special about Monday? Nothing. There is no point for it being on Monday.
2. More people eat meat than people who don't. Therefore, it wont get passed.

Two questions after the first can be answered by the first..

Do you even care?
Not really. I live in Ohio.

Luck
February 18th, 2010, 02:32 PM
What do you think?
It's a stupid concept. If you want to help the environment, take down some smokestacks and plant trees and make parks.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
No. Since when should governments tell people what they can and can't eat? Not even China does that, as far as I know.

Is this a pointless law?
It isn't pointless, but it is painfully ignorant, especially considering that there are much better methods.

Do you even care?
Not really, since I know this law won't be passed. Only the stupidest vegan will try to force someone to not eat meat.
And I don't live in Massachusetts, although I would really like to.

Why or why not?
Because everyone with brain cells will not vote for it?

Hmm, seems awfully OVP-ish. :/

pokejungle
February 18th, 2010, 02:33 PM
Good :3 I don't care, I just would love to see people get up in arms about it.

If you watch Food, Inc (documentary) you'll realize what you're eating is disgusting anyways. I'm no vegetarian, but I can see the benefits.

CT_400
February 18th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Why or why not?
Because everyone with brain cells will not vote for it?

Hmm, seems awfully OVP-ish. :/


Haha, you'd be suprised!

My Ag Professor says that it will pass because that state has people from Harvard. Which means these people aren't stupid: They know how to bend and mold other people's thinkings.

That, and if they get a popular Celebraty on their side, then that state is screwed D:





Good :3 I don't care, I just would love to see people get up in arms about it.

If you watch Food, Inc (documentary) you'll realize what you're eating is disgusting anyways. I'm no vegetarian, but I can see the benefits.


Is that so?

Would you have a different perspective if this law was trying to be passed in YOUR area?

Meat isn't disgusting, it's healty for people because it has protein and other minerals that we need in our diet :D

Luck
February 18th, 2010, 02:45 PM
Haha, you'd be suprised!

My Ag Professor says that it will pass because that state has people from Harvard. Which means these people aren't stupid: They know how to bend and mold other people's thinkings.

That, and if they get a popular Celebraty on their side, then that state is screwed D:
But even then, prohibition does nothing. If they want to change peoples minds, they shouldn't prohibit an extremely popular item. They should change their minds.
And Massachusetts isn't the dumbest of the states, so I don't think a celebrity will sway them all that much.

CT_400
February 18th, 2010, 02:50 PM
But even then, prohibition does nothing. If they want to change peoples minds, they shouldn't prohibit an extremely popular item. They should change their minds.
And Massachusetts isn't the dumbest of the states, so I don't think a celebrity will sway them all that much.

I agree :D

But, the fact of the matter is that those people in Congress have extremely smart individuals who can make laws if they have the right support.

PETA and GREENPEACE for example have celebrities that support them, thus giving them the finanical power to sway a lot of people to support this law. They do this by showing gruesome video of slaughter houses and so on in commercials.

These movies are extremely outdated, but the average citizen doesn't know this and the Vegetarians will gain the upper hand.

I say they should ban veggies if this law passes 'cuz that's just ridiculous...

Virtual Chatot
February 18th, 2010, 02:57 PM
What do you think?
If the people of Massachusetts want it, great for them!
Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
It'll certainly cut down on the amount of animals being killed. I'm inclined to say yes.
Is this a pointless law?
Sort of, because people are still going to eat meat regardless from meat bought from the store.
Do you even care?
Yes

Yuoaman
February 18th, 2010, 03:11 PM
What do you think?
It's a little odd. :\

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
I love animals... but I also love to eat animals, so I could go either way...

Is this a pointless law?
Not really, the sheer number of animals killed each day for human consumption is staggering, and cutting down on it, even a tiny bit, is probably a good thing.

Do you even care?
A little. :P

twocows
February 18th, 2010, 03:14 PM
This is a horrible law, and I hope it doesn't pass. People shouldn't be forced into any sort of lifestyle change; it's absurd. Not to mention, legislatures tend to look at the laws other states pass and say "well, they did it, so it must not be completely insane." This sounds an awful lot like circular reasoning to me, but they still do it.

Anyway, they can take my bacon over my cold, dead body.

Spinor
February 18th, 2010, 03:18 PM
Oh fudge I am sorry. I just realized my IQ is not under 50. So I should be saying that even considering this makes 1st Graders look like College Professors.

If my IQ was under 50... I think I'd actually say the same thing... :\

Good thing meat is part of the Texan diet. Good luck getting my appeal, Massachusetts.

Esper
February 18th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Trying to have people eat less meat is someone's attempt to bring to people's attention the huge drain on our resources it is to feed and keep livestock and the damage this can cause to the environment, the harmful effects of too much meat (especially red meat) in your diet, the suffering of animals, and dozens of other things so I don't think it's pointless. But prohibiting things just makes people angry because "the man" is telling them what to do. A better approach would be educating people about healthy food choices and alternatives to meat.

And Lent is a religious observance so it doesn't apply to everyone.

Medli
February 18th, 2010, 04:27 PM
What do you think?
I'm a vegetarian, but I don't think that anyone should be forcing anything upon people like this. That's a bit extreme. I think it's an interesting idea, but I don't think anyone has the right to be forced like this. Although, geez, just buy your own meat and cook it up. Maybe I'm biased because I live with a family that always makes homecooked food, so... ignore me, I guess.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
It will cut down on the number of animals being killed, which is nice, but again, I don't approve of this being forced upon the world. Although if you're one of those people that don't go to restaurants often (like me, even though I wouldn't buy a turkey sandwich anyway), you probably won't really care.

Is this a pointless law?
Somewhat. Most people are still going to eat meat after Monday or just cook it up themselves. I guess it's nice to cut down a few deaths of animals, but I don't think it's going matter that much, unfortunately. I'd like to think otherwise, but I'm a realist.

Do you even care?
Again, I'd love to be an optimist, but I don't think it's going to work on cutting down the number of slaughtered animals. Otherwise, I'd care. Other than that, I don't live in Massachusetts; I don't go to restaurants (and never on a Monday); I'd avoid eating meat regardless. So, what else is there?

Why or why not?
See above.

My two cents. Meh.

Edit: A better approach would be educating people about healthy food choices and alternatives to meat

Yeah, that sums up my hopes for the world. I do believe that we should avoid slaughtering so many animals and and all that jazz, but passing laws like this isn't really the way to do it.

Timbjerr
February 18th, 2010, 04:35 PM
I can't help but suspect that this is being sponsored by Massachusetts' relatively high Catholic population.

Even as a devout Catholic myself this law makes little sense. Why force an entire state to follow dogma of a religion they probably don't believe in?

[EDIT] I'm an idiot; I misread the topic as Meatless Friday...Meatless Monday isn't a part of Catholic dogma. So this means the entire population is forced to make this unnecessary sacrifice for no sufficient reason other than to save the environment?

Luck
February 18th, 2010, 04:38 PM
…I don't think it's going to work on cutting down the number of slaughtered animals…

Haha, I get it now.

But, the fact of the matter is that those people in Congress have extremely smart individuals who can make laws if they have the right support.

PETA and GREENPEACE for example have celebrities that support them, thus giving them the finanical power to sway a lot of people to support this law. They do this by showing gruesome video of slaughter houses and so on in commercials.

Thankfully, whenever normal science goes through, people actually see the effects.
The difference will probably minuscule when it comes to the numbers of animals slaughtered, unless monday is a slaughter day for farmers in Massachusetts.
It's like saying there should be year round school because test scores increased a whole 2%.

Synaesthesia
February 18th, 2010, 07:08 PM
I think this whole vegeterianism thing is stupid. First of all, Meatless Monday is absolutely ridiculous. We should be able to buy meat any day of the week. Secondly, vegeterians need to realize that PLANTS ARE JUST AS MUCH ALIVE AS ANIMALS. Sure, they dont feel pain, but basically what youre saying is that its cruel to kill animals before their natural lifespan is over. It's just as much cruel to kill plants and eat them. Just because they can't mutter sounds and can't express emotions doesn't mean they're not alive. If animals were as expressionless as plants, you vegeterians would be gobblin' up those cows.

Meatless Monday = stupid restriction. It's not gonna help anything.

twocows
February 18th, 2010, 07:30 PM
I think this whole vegeterianism thing is stupid. First of all, Meatless Monday is absolutely ridiculous. We should be able to buy meat any day of the week. Secondly, vegeterians need to realize that PLANTS ARE JUST AS MUCH ALIVE AS ANIMALS. Sure, they dont feel pain, but basically what youre saying is that its cruel to kill animals before their natural lifespan is over. It's just as much cruel to kill plants and eat them. Just because they can't mutter sounds and can't express emotions doesn't mean they're not alive. If animals were as expressionless as plants, you vegeterians would be gobblin' up those cows.

Meatless Monday = stupid restriction. It's not gonna help anything.
Actually, there is evidence that plants react to their environments as much as animals. I seem to remember a study a while back that showed chemical changes in plants when a person that had been smashing nearby plants left and came back.

Luck
February 18th, 2010, 07:39 PM
I think this whole vegeterianism thing is stupid. First of all, Meatless Monday is absolutely ridiculous. We should be able to buy meat any day of the week. Secondly, vegeterians need to realize that PLANTS ARE JUST AS MUCH ALIVE AS ANIMALS. Sure, they dont feel pain, but basically what youre saying is that its cruel to kill animals before their natural lifespan is over. It's just as much cruel to kill plants and eat them. Just because they can't mutter sounds and can't express emotions doesn't mean they're not alive. If animals were as expressionless as plants, you vegeterians would be gobblin' up those cows.

Meatless Monday = stupid restriction. It's not gonna help anything.
It actually seems to be more of a health thing than a moral thing, although the 'I am holier than thou art' is a commonly brought up thing. There was a lot of discussion in PETA on whether people would eat meat if it didn't require an animal to be killed for it.

They are right for the most part, but most of it is overeating meat and sometimes vegetarian diets have side effects. The people that lived the longest were Japanese who mainly ate veggies and fish, a mix of both.
And no, fish IS meat. It comes from a living, breathing animal.

Esper
February 18th, 2010, 08:34 PM
I think this whole vegeterianism thing is stupid. First of all, Meatless Monday is absolutely ridiculous. We should be able to buy meat any day of the week. Secondly, vegeterians need to realize that PLANTS ARE JUST AS MUCH ALIVE AS ANIMALS. Sure, they dont feel pain, but basically what youre saying is that its cruel to kill animals before their natural lifespan is over. It's just as much cruel to kill plants and eat them. Just because they can't mutter sounds and can't express emotions doesn't mean they're not alive. If animals were as expressionless as plants, you vegeterians would be gobblin' up those cows.

Meatless Monday = stupid restriction. It's not gonna help anything.
All the vegetarians I know, including me, think it's cruel to kill animals unnecessarily, not because it's before their natural life span. Plant are gonna die no matter what. Human life can't continue without us (or something else we subsequently eat) eating them. However, human life can continue without us eating other animals if we eat directly from plants. Plants are alive, but they don't have emotions or consciousness/sentience so it's not cruel to kill them.

Aurafire
February 18th, 2010, 08:46 PM
Only in Massachusetts will they propose laws telling people what they can and can't eat on Mondays. Anyone else glad they don't live there?

.Gamer
February 18th, 2010, 09:34 PM
"lol massachussets"

Stupid imo. "NO MEETZ FOR ITS IN THE UBAR TIER!!!" (had to get a pokemon reference in ^_^)

But yeah, its just plain dumb. Who are a bunch of beauracrats (probably spelled wrong, don't care) to tell anyone what they can and cannot eat? Seriously. I didn't know the diets of people "belong to state".

Ayselipera
February 18th, 2010, 09:51 PM
I can understand why they want to cut back on meat, but I don't think telling people they can't have it is such a great idea. I agree with Galatea that it's a better idea to educate people about meat products rather then just taking them away for one day of the week every week. Coming from someone who lives in Massachusetts I've never even heard of this, so it's all news to me. o.O

Virtual Chatot
February 19th, 2010, 04:24 AM
All the vegetarians I know, including me, think it's cruel to kill animals unnecessarily, not because it's before their natural life span. Plant are gonna die no matter what. Human life can't continue without us (or something else we subsequently eat) eating them. However, human life can continue without us eating other animals if we eat directly from plants. Plants are alive, but they don't have emotions or consciousness/sentience so it's not cruel to kill them.It's a dumb idea to begin with. I'm a pescetarian, so I eat fish but no other form of meat.

Are people going to get to the point where we find it morally wrong to eat plants as well? Say bye-bye to the human race then.

Okami Chi
February 19th, 2010, 04:52 AM
I need meat. Not a fan, not a fan. (I feel like P.E.T.A had something to do with this.)

Talli
February 19th, 2010, 04:59 AM
myself and curtis think they should cut back on the Soya because of the mount of people who like it ( not people allerys and latouse intoldance) monkey lose their home.

People should learn to drink Rice and oat milk ( allery and latouse intoldance too) to save our monkeys!

helix
February 19th, 2010, 06:56 AM
What do you think?
...Cute. But I don't think it'll work.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
They can try it, but it'll be generally ineffective. Even if it does work, it's a mostly pointless procedure because the movement itself is far too small to make any incredibly significant change in the environment. Regardless of whether they will be sold on Monday or not, there are six other days of the week and a lot of people opt to eat at home anyway. It's not going to significantly alter the rate at which animals will be slaughtered and shipped.

Is this a pointless law?
Not pointless, but about 90% ineffectual.

Do you even care?
Actually no.

Why or why not?
Proud carnivore here, but I live with a vegetarian of thirty years and I actually go a lot of days without eating meat and not even minding. Whether or not anyone wants to go vegetarian is totally their option. Vegan or not, it's not like humans will ever stop consuming products of the earth so long as we retain the desire to be alive. Encouraging something like a "Meatless Monday" in one state of one country of the world looks like a pretty measly measure to alleviate or reduce whatever 'damage' we homo sapiens are responsible for.

Also regarding the brushed-upon topic of carbon emissions, if the government wants the people to truly be more aware of their options, then, what the heck, do something carbon-emission related. Last time I checked, greenhouse gases had nothing but an extremely loose connection with vegans..

...Basically saying what a lot of people are saying here, it looks like a stupid idea.

RCMF13
February 19th, 2010, 12:09 PM
What do you think?

It is a stupid law.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?

It is a pointless law.

No it should not be passed.

Is this a pointless law?

Yes.

Do you even care?

Not really.

Why or why not?

I live in England.

Corvus of the Black Night
February 19th, 2010, 12:33 PM
What do you think?
...why would they want to? :p

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
...why?

Is this a pointless law?
...I can't see any purpose.

Do you even care?
I live in Michigan. Why would I?

Why or why not?
Why should someone who lives in a different state care? We have our own set of stupid legistlation.

Meat actually can be healthy, but most people prepare it in extremely unhealthy ways. The fact that most of it comes from factory farming doesn't help either - in fact, if you raised an animal to be healthy, happy and took care of it throughout its life, you could eat its meat raw without worrying too much about the likes of samonella and the such, because those diseases are mainly caused by the atrocious living conditions of the animals in the farms.

I like my meat. Screw Massachussetts.

mondays suck
February 19th, 2010, 02:02 PM
What do you think?
Looks like another proof that my username is true. As if monday being the first working day of the world and thus putting everyone in a bad temper wouldn't be bad enough...
I think that eating something delicious can greatly improve a day, and most meat happens to be delicious.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
Wait, I didn't consider that above, so this goes only for restaurants. This makes the whole thing even more ridiculous, since I could for example still eat my beloved Mettwurst breads (I'm afraid there's no translation of this word, since even english Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mettwurst) calls it Mettwurst), but I couldn't eat a steak? This is equally pointless as the European Union's law on how crooked cucumbers are allowed to be.

Is this a pointless law?
See 2.
Also, it is not going to help the climate at all, not all meat is consumed in restaurants. People with the desire for eating meat on a monday could easily bypass this law. Regardless of whatever they do with this law idea, there will not be less cows on this world that are polluting the air than before.

Do you even care?
Actually I do, even though I shouldn't, since...

Why or why not?
...this is happening thousands of kilometres away from me, so it will probably never affect me.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
February 19th, 2010, 06:22 PM
What do you think?
Bad idea. I eat meat for nearly every meal, and I'm not going to change my eating habits over a stupid law.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
My answer would mirror the answer from McDonald's, Burger King, Texas Steakhouse, etc., albeit for different reasons. Let's say there's some special event in your life and you want to celebrate it by going to a nice restaurant. If that date falls on a Monday, you can forget it, unless you don't mind not eating meat. Even then, many restaurants would close on Monday anyway because it wouldn't be profitable to remain open when they couldn't sell the majority of their menu items.

Is this a pointless law?
Yes. I'll break the law/move if I have to.

Do you even care?
Yes.

Why or why not?
Especially in state government, stupidity is contagious. Who knows if it'll spread from Massachusetts to 10 or 20 other states?

emoBill™
February 19th, 2010, 07:26 PM
What do you think?
I think it's stupid and that people are completely off their rockers.

Should there be a Ban on Selling Meat in Restaurants every Monday?
No. And why the eff is it even Monday? That's just a really bad play on alliteration.

Is this a pointless law?
Yes. I could name a buttload of laws that make more sense than this, and some of them are so stupid you'd think that only people with no brain cells would vote for them. But they are still better than this.

Do you even care?
Kind of...distantly.

Why or why not?
Why: because it might expand and become a fad around the world. Why not: because I live in Germany and hopefully it won't come over here anytime soon. But who's to say it won't? :x

...Elite Overlord, you stole my font ._.

twocows
February 20th, 2010, 07:18 AM
All the vegetarians I know, including me, think it's cruel to kill animals unnecessarily, not because it's before their natural life span. Animals are gonna die no matter what, and humans too, so this point is irrelevant. Human life can't continue without us (or something else we subsequently eat) eating them, especially for hunter-gatherer societies where they have no access to good land on which to farm. However, human life cannot continue without us eating other animals if we eat directly from plants because the world doesn't work that way, not that it would be good if it did. Animals are alive, but they don't have emotions or consciousness/sentience so it's not cruel to kill them.
There, I fixed that for you. Changes are bold. Animals don't care about morality, so I don't care about them. Given the means and opportunity, any animal in the world would kill me if I got in its way unless it was conditioned not to (or too stupid to even try). Until animals start practicing morality, I'll continue to eat them with no moral qualms whatsoever.