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Yoruichi
March 20th, 2010, 08:28 PM
No, this isn't a thread asking to become a moderator..

I was just wondering something. I see forums host staff applications and such. I wouldn't see why you guys wouldn't do the same. I'd just make strict requirements.

ie must have been a registered ACTIVE member for x amount of months
must have an x amount of posts
must not have any big forum warnings/infractions

Of course the only problem I'd see with this is newbies not reading the whole thread.
this is just a suggestion after all.

Zet
March 20th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Most of those forums are usually anime forums.

Vrai
March 20th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Having an application thread is telling people to ask to become moderators.

The upper staff choose people perfectly well on their own, I think.

Yoruichi
March 20th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Most of those forums are usually anime forums.

Yeah, true there. I do agree with the posts so far though.

Melody
March 20th, 2010, 08:33 PM
Honestly, PC's way of choosing Moderators has worked perfectly. An application system isn't needed. The Staff are very keen at spotting talented, mature and kindly members to give Mod powers. We seldom have any issues with Mods going out of control so yeah. I doubt this is a good idea at all.

Yoruichi
March 20th, 2010, 08:35 PM
I actually am against this now that I think about it. I've seen people on other forums anime related or pokemon related get the job, abuse their power, and get banned. It's not a good idea at all now actually. i think the current way is fine. I wouldn't want rouge moderators here

Mika
March 20th, 2010, 08:37 PM
To the best of my knowledge, the way it's done here is set up specifically to prevent people from voting their friends in. It's done in secret and it's based entirely on a person's skills both on the forum and just their personality in general. It's done without the general population's input to prevent a tainted jury if you will. :P I have no issues with it and it's not like our staffies are corrupt politicians bent on world domination or anything so yeah. n_n

Lie Ren
March 20th, 2010, 08:38 PM
I actually am against this now that I think about it. I've seen people on other forums anime related or pokemon related get the job, abuse their power, and get banned. It's not a good idea at all now actually. i think the current way is fine. I wouldn't want rouge moderators here

True facts. D:

I love the fact that PC's h-staff pick their moderators based on their own opinions about each person, rather than picking the one who filled out a form the best. People could easily lie to get a position, and that would end badly. :/

Melody
March 20th, 2010, 08:41 PM
I agree. The upper staff here are generally pretty good judges of character to be honest. Those who don't make the cut are not modded.

IceSage
March 20th, 2010, 09:28 PM
There's no need for an "application" type of thing, as technically just by posting normally is more than enough of a reason to consider someone as a moderator. If there's a poster that seems like they're mature enough to handle the job, etc, that's more than enough qualification. All an Admin needs to do is PM the person asking if they'd like to help out.

An application thread, or applications, only cause mass chaos and confusion. You also get a bunch of people trying to suck up slightly before and after they apply, thinking they have a chance... which isn't a good thing because it could lead to some unwarranted backseat modding. You also get people applying that "tpyoe likes dis and thnk ther awsum and fel the ned 2 includ they <3 pokeymans lots"

Hiidoran
March 20th, 2010, 11:22 PM
If I recall, PC used to have moderator applications waaaay back in the day. Like, so far back that I've only read about it from people talking here and there. Or maybe I'm nuts and should just go to bed already...

The way I see it, there must have been a reason the staff moved past that system of choosing moderators to the system that's currently in play. I mean, it only makes sense that the hstaff would pick moderators, as those are the awesome people we moderators report to when something is outta our hands. ^^

Jubilation
March 20th, 2010, 11:46 PM
The way I see it, there must have been a reason the staff moved past that system of choosing moderators to the system that's currently in play.

I'd assume that alot of people posted saying "i can be mod" so they thought it'd be best to remove applications.

Hiroshi Sotomura
March 21st, 2010, 12:56 AM
I'd assume that alot of people posted saying "i can be mod" so they thought it'd be best to remove applications.

The admin who did these applications stopped after the second (or third?) time (I was part of the first or second batch!) and it stopped only because the admin who did them just didn't bother much with PC by that point. Some point later, the staff were confident enough to act as a team and selecting moderators became part of this teamwork.

It also boils down to this: how would applications and interviews help us scout out a good member? We think it's efficient to pick a moderator based on the qualities they already exhibit, and an interview isn't really going to change that.

Heart's Soul
March 21st, 2010, 08:18 AM
PC has done a superb job on choosing the moderators so far in my near-3 years of being here. I have no complaints and most mods that left just... well, they resigned, nothing more.

However, I saw a couple of Admins with 0 posts. Hm... vBulletin wanted an account?

An application thread, or applications, only cause mass chaos and confusion.

Agreed, I am an administrator of a forum (I use my sig) and I have no wishes to create an application thread, mostly I just choose with the other mods (depending if there are any, I can hold down 10 members by myself fine) on any other new one.

Now I wonder about my 10 members. I feel sad.

Yuoaman
March 21st, 2010, 09:38 AM
Applications usually only work efficiently on smaller communities. This is because you know most, if not all, of the members personally, and are just scouting out who is interested in the position. With a community the scale of PC that would be nearly impossible, as you would have to trudge through hundreds or thousands of past posts to learn enough about the person's character to make a decision about them.

Heart's Soul
March 21st, 2010, 09:49 AM
As far as I know, mods also scourge the net to find somebody who could be a potential moderator and then analyze their previous posts (of which I am not happy) and then, if everything helps out, they tell an administrator, they look around, report it to Rukario, he thinks in his "little room of evil" and finds out if they're worthy. It's kind of like the Dragon's Den or my Pokemon Fanclub's Challenge.

Patchisou Yutohru
March 21st, 2010, 02:32 PM
I support the idea of applications, but not traditional applications.

Believe it or not, there are some people who would pass up an opportunity to become a moderator. And it would prove to become rather pointless for higher staff to spend so much time debating on who would make a good one, only to be denied by the person being offered the position. I think it would be a good thing if higher staff knew who was interested. And not only that, but members actually knew that staff positions were available.

It's like... when someone gets removed from staff and that position opens up... sure, there's a blank spot at the bottom of the forum where the moderator would be listed but sometimes a moderator isn't discussed for that specific forum for a long time. Having people you know are interested in having a position on staff would be better than discussing people you think would be interested... unless that person you think would be interested would be better suited for the position.

I just think the discussion of moderators should be a little bit more open. Not in the sense that members can decide who would make a good one, but members knew what was going on when it came to staffing. Applications with "Please list your past experience," "Why would you be a good moderator?" are stupid, in my opinion. Anyone can write anything to get that. Even though I don't see decisions being based on that here. They are in other forums, and that's just retarded. But that's just my opinion on the matter.

But in the same sense... the moderators staff choose prove to be a great asset to the staffing team. :3

Yoruichi
March 21st, 2010, 03:19 PM
Yes, I sort of meant like whenever a position became open then a h-staff member would post applications for that said position. Lets say modA quits being a moderator of the Other Chat forum, his position would be open to a new person.

That was an example of course. :P I do sort of wish to see applications like this, but not traditional.

Patchisou Yutohru
March 21st, 2010, 03:25 PM
Yes, I sort of meant like whenever a position became open then a h-staff member would post applications for that said position. Lets say modA quits being a moderator of the Other Chat forum, his position would be open to a new person.

That was an example of course. :P I do sort of wish to see applications like this, but not traditional.
Umm... ewwies. After you said that, I disagree with your suggestion. :(

I don't like the idea of having an application. Even though you said "I do sort of wish to see applications like this, but not traditional." judging from your first paragraph, it seems more like a traditional application than anything that you're trying to suggest. If that's the case, I don't like it at all. Having members say how much they deserve the position... I don't like that. Saying something means absolutely nothing. You have to do it before anything. And most of the members I've come across would say anything to get something like that.

Gumball Watterson
March 21st, 2010, 03:27 PM
To be honest, I'm not sure about any application of some sort. Of course we could make a system where if a mod drops out, then the ex-mod and high staff could put a thread asking members if they wish to be candidates. Then judgment from the staff is used to accept candidates or not. Then the staff HQ is made a warzone over this...

But yeah... people that are definitely a no way could whine a bit too much so... I fear going from the way we are now.

Lie Ren
March 21st, 2010, 03:34 PM
Saying something means absolutely nothing. You have to do it before anything. And most of the members I've come across would say anything to get something like that.

Which brings us back to the whole 'people lying to get the position' issue. D:

Yeah.. PC would be chaotic if it had Mod Apps.. xD; There would be sooo many turned in, and the admins would have to read them all, and sift through info that maybe untrue. It's hard to know whose right for the job through applications, stalking paying attention to members, and actually seeing what they can do for this place is definitely better IMO.

( on an unrelated note.. I'm very bored right now, and this thread is keeping me amused. D; )

Yoruichi
March 21st, 2010, 03:34 PM
True.. I see there now. But I really don't think that way would work out.. xD I still think that the idea is a little meh though. I think I see what you are saying.

I wouldn't seen an issue with members KNOWING that staff positions are open. I just don't think applications for why you think you want to be a mod is good.
Here's what a popular gaming site/forum does.

They allow members to contact the owner/head staff member
They can EXPRESS interest for being a moderator by e-mailing an address
They say their username on the forum

But like what I see on forums besides applications like the other forums is a forum open for people to express interest in a mod position.

This would just be like a "i'm interested in becoming a mod" thread. This would just show higher staff that these said people are interested in the future. It would not mean whenever a position is open they'd get it.

Patchisou Yutohru
March 21st, 2010, 03:46 PM
Here's what a popular gaming site/forum does.

They allow members to contact the owner/head staff member
They can EXPRESS interest for being a moderator by e-mailing an address
They say their username on the forum
I can see someone replying with this already, and this is the first thing that came to my mind when I read this. Even though I sort of agree with the notion of having members express interest in joining the staffing team. The majority of the members on PC are rather immature and would express interest just because they want a position on the staff not because they think they are well suited for the job.

Anyway: "That's another forum. PC runs things differently." or... something along those lines. Basically, just because it works on one forum doesn't mean it will work on another. And judging from some of the long time PC members' replies, something like this has happened in the past. Seeing as how it isn't here today, I doubt it worked well. I mean, PC has been open for what? Seven or eight years or so? If it worked, it would still be here today and in those seven or eight years, I'm pretty sure something like this was done in the past.

Zet
March 21st, 2010, 03:49 PM
I'm surprised to see that people are still posting in this thread despite giving the same answer someone else said.

PokemonLeagueChamp
March 21st, 2010, 03:58 PM
On PokeChamps we have Mod applications.
At most, we have 15 active users.
And me and the other 3 admins go check everything, before they get modded.
And then they get demoted for inactivity.

Much as I'd LOVE to sign up for(and GET)a mod position, the whole application thing wouldn't be good. I can tell you right now that if any troll with any intelligence found out PC had staff applications, they'd register a sockpuppet, bs an application, and go on a rampage if they got a promotion. A while back I actually suggested bringing the choice of who to mod out of only the admins hands and into the community's, in a vote. That was a stupid idea. But some of the other things, like making it known what positions are available and figuring out who'd actually want a promotion, those sound good.

mew²
March 21st, 2010, 09:50 PM
Usually, when I see forums with Moderator Appilications, they either:

1 - Have an overload of moderators

-or-

2 - Have unexperienced or immature moderators.

No lets say we have an account with 14,500 posts, signed up October 2004 and had a level 20 reputation (when we had the reputation system). They sign up and they make it but they make it for the Other Technogly Forums.
But let's say they know only about Other Trivia and welcoming new users. They would have to learn about the new section before they actually work on the knew forum section.

I beleive the Staff Selected Staff works A LOT* better.

* - Caps to emphesis how much I support this current idea.

FreakyLocz14
March 21st, 2010, 09:57 PM
And idea I have is holding forum-wide elections for positions.

Arcanine
March 22nd, 2010, 01:55 AM
And idea I have is holding forum-wide elections for positions.And yet another dumb idea from you. What you're wanting is a stupid popularity contest for the Staff spots. Lets forget about how good the person is for the spot, lets just vote our friends in. Lets vote out all the current Staff because they're evil and give me infractions. Lets get some real Staff in there who do nothing.
Got any other bright ideas that needs to be shot down?


Years and years ago back when PC was ran by a handful of people we had Mod applications. Back then the idea wasn't that bad because PC was still small, one person (maybe 2) replied to the requests, asked them a bunch of questions, and then posted what that person said so that the Higher Staff could review and vote. We Modded a few people by that way of Modding (Hiroshi Sotomura being one of them). And some of them were pretty good.

But it wouldn't work these days because PC wasn't as n00by back then as it is now. And PC was a lot smaller so we weren't flooded with stupid PMs asking to be a Mod.
But if we had it today it'd just be a great big mess. Yea sometimes it can be hard finding a good person for a forum, but we try our best, and try to find the right person for the job. Not saying we're perfect, we have Modded a few bad apples. But over the past 7 years Erica and I have been on the Staff (longest running Staff) I think I can safely speak for both of us in saying it's been a pretty good run, and the way we handle Moddings now is the best way. We've seen lots of ways to Mod on PC, friends requesting such as such to be Modded, people signing up to be a Mod, Staff just randomly Modding people, Staff pulling Mods from other forums, and so on. The system we have now works, that's all there is to it.


I would quote Zet's post, but I guess I'm one of them people. At least I give it from a point of view of someone who's been there... done that (not just someone who posts "Well, that wouldn't work"). And with that....

*Closed*