The Starters

[Ice demon]

Here are some Starter movesets i've been thinking of

Venasaur[adamant]
EVs - Att, hp, SpDef
sludge bomb
earthquake
sword dance
sleep powder/leech seed/return

So what if skarm and weezing owns it ^_^

Blastoise[modest]
EVs - hp, SpDef, SpAtt
yawn/haze
rapid spin
surf
ice beam/roar/rest/haze

Charizard - no need for anything here

Meganium[calm]
EVs - hp, SpDef, SpAtt
HP grass/ice
counter/reflect/light screen/earthquake
reflect/light screen/toxic
leech seed

Feraligator[adamant]
EVs - Att, Def, hp
earthquake
focus punch
rock slide/return
sword dance

Hum..........

Typhlosion[+Sp,-Def]
EVs - Att, Sp, SpAtt
fire blast
substitute
focus punch
rock slide/HP ice

Makes an ok skarmbliss counter
too bad its movepool sucks



Go ahead and attack away...........i'm cool wit it

[Frostweaver]

Jhoto starters = useless, because they're ALL overshadowed by the other starters of the respective type.

as for Venusaur, that's just standard though I like Venusuar with both sleep and leech... so personally I'll ditch swords dance ^^; As for Blastoise, ack it's just hard to use well imho... or maybe it can't be well, either one. Tried to use one before, but either it dies in 2 hits with only moderate offensive power, or it's so defensive yet isn't good enough to be annoying like skarmweez or milotic.

[Ice demon]

Too bad the jhoto starters had to suck so much...........
Tyh would have been pretty good had it not been for the crappy movepool

For Typhlosion i can also go
Typhlosion[timid]@petaya berry
EVs - Sp, SpAtt, hp
HP ice
Flamethrower
substitute
sunny day

Too bad it sucks so much................sigh

[kirby00]

for blastoise why not have mirror coat, counter, surf, hp electric/ice beam?

[Toothache]

for blastoise why not have mirror coat, counter, surf, hp electric/ice beam?

Mostly because Blastoise can't be an effective tank of both physical and special damage. HP Electric is wasted on Blastoise, since you don't need to attack a water type, there are 5 other Pokemon capable of that.

Blastoise@Leftovers
EV: 252 Sp Att, 129 Sp Def, 129 HP
Nature: + Sp Def, - Att
Yawn/Haze
Surf/Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Rest/Toxic/Haze/Yawn

[Ice demon]

Counter has its uses on blastoise as a surprise move
but EVs need to be considered.
I myself need rapid spin on any toise
just a preferrance

[Toothache]

I keep forgetting Blastoise can learn Rapid Spin.

EDIT: Sceptile Moveset

Sceptile@Petaya Berry
EV: 252 Speed, 252 Sp Att, 6 Sp Def
Nature: + Speed, - Att
Dragon Claw
Crunch/Thunderpunch
HP Fire
Leaf Blade

So standard, but it works for me. I can see some Groudon abuse here - replace Leaf Blade with Solarbeam and Sceptile really rips. Thunderpunch is only if you have Emerald (for all flying types except Aerodactyl and Swellow, who are faster)