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Throat
March 31st, 2010, 05:31 PM
What it is according wikipedia:

"Chemical castration is the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity, usually in the hope of preventing rapist, child molesters and other sex offenders from repeating their crimes."

It's already applied in some countries, also in some american states. In Brazil, some senators are trying to implant it due to the huge number of sexual crimes, a votation is going to happen, but most likely the proposal won't be approved.

Do you think it works or is it just an avengeful idea?

Prince_of_Light
March 31st, 2010, 05:51 PM
What it is according wikipedia:

"Chemical castration is the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity, usually in the hope of preventing rapist, child molesters and other sex offenders from repeating their crimes."

It's already applied in some countries, also in some american states. In Brazil, some senators are trying to implant it due to the huge number of sexual crimes, a votation is going to happen, but most likely the proposal won't be approved.

Do you think it works or is it just an avengeful idea?

Interesting stuff. It probably does work if places are implementing it but you never know.

Timbjerr
March 31st, 2010, 06:01 PM
The logic behind using it makes sense, but isn't that just kinda...cruel? Having a low sex drive and being borderline asexual myself, I really can't advocate either way for it but yeah... o_0

Melody
March 31st, 2010, 06:05 PM
Honestly, I think it's a great solution for keeping rapists and child molesters from committing sexual crimes.

Now I don't think it should be legal for a judge to order you to undergo chemical castration, however I think this might be something that offenders can opt into in order to avoid a jail sentence.

(This means once you're caught, and convicted you can elect to stay chemically castrated for the remainder of your life, or for a certain number of years, as determined by the severity of the sexual crime and judge. Additionally, you will need to submit to regular testing to ensure that you are complying with the chemical castration order which you opted in for in lieu of Jail time)

Throat
March 31st, 2010, 06:09 PM
The logic behind using it makes sense, but isn't that just kinda...cruel? Having a low sex drive and being borderline asexual myself, I really can't advocate either way for it but yeah... o_0
It's not definitive. Besides, it's not like someone would be "castrated" for nothing, only if you commit a sexual crime (which is usually quite cruel).

Now I don't think it should be legal for a judge to order you to undergo chemical castration, however I think this might be something that offenders can opt into in order to avoid a jail sentence.

Exactly, the human body is inviolable (unless one allow it) and that's how the procedure would happen.

Melody
March 31st, 2010, 06:17 PM
Yes. In this way, these sexual offenders can still keep their lives without sitting and rotting in jail, becoming unproductive and jaded. They can choose to become chemically castrated, and live on...because we all know how bad the shame attached on such a crime can be, and it will certainly make life hard enough without jail time. (Especially if they made an honest mistake and let their sex drive shut down their reasoning once and if they truly regret committing the crime)

Cassino
March 31st, 2010, 06:23 PM
I think it's an idea worth persuing, at least to see if it works, but why not simply physically castrate them? (Although, I understand it may be hard to find people willing to perform that action.) And this seems to go on the assumption that all sex offenders are male; as such I wouldn't mind some 'chemical spaying' either.

There is one problem though: at least to start with it really won't do good for making the public feel safe.

Melody
March 31st, 2010, 06:29 PM
That is a good point. I think offenders who are a risk for running away, shouldn't have an option to get chemically castrated instead of going to jail.

As for the public, all that needs to be done is to let the system in slowly. Maybe start out by incarcerating the offenders right off, and then maybe giving them the option to be chemically castrated if they behave well in jail. :P

Then if it works and the trusted people they let out early with chemical castration don't commit the crime again...allow some people who regret the crime almost immediately to avoid the jail time by agreeing to chemical castration and a tracking device so that the police can track the person down if they run. :P

Throat
March 31st, 2010, 06:30 PM
There is one problem though: at least to start with it really won't do good for making the public feel safe.

It's like a simple choice: either you quit committing the crime and accept the castration or you'll be in jail for longer with heavier monitoration. I don't see a reason for someone feeling less safe for it. No one is going to be totally free after the chemical castration, surely if they don't learn how to live with, he'll be kept away from society.

Luck
March 31st, 2010, 06:32 PM
There's something about this that I don't like, but I don't know. It's probably flawed, like every other drug, but it seems to be for the better of everyone. Is it an expensive procedure? How long does it last? It's definitely a better idea than anti-rape condoms, that's for sure.
I think house arrest and forced community service works well enough though, but this should be implemented if the Supreme Court decides that it isn't cruel and/or unusual punishment, considering it has a chance of being mandatory instead of being optional.
I think it's an idea worth persuing, at least to see if it works, but why not simply physically castrate them?

People can be wrongly accused D:

Sneeze
March 31st, 2010, 06:38 PM
Is it a permanent effect or do they have too keep topping in the person up? Either way could raises issues.

Melody
March 31st, 2010, 06:46 PM
The effect isn't permanent. They have to go in every so often and get another shot to keep them chemically castrated. Fortunately the flight risk can be averted by forcing all chemically castrated offenders to wear a waterproof tracking device on their ankle.

Cassino
March 31st, 2010, 06:54 PM
It's like a simple choice: either you quit committing the crime and accept the castration or you'll be in jail for longer with heavier monitoration. I don't see a reason for someone feeling less safe for it. No one is going to be totally free after the chemical castration, surely if they don't learn how to live with, he'll be kept away from society.
The public on the whole are just like that — they like their traditional imprisonment ending for wrongdoers. Trying to re-integrate people into society not used to such measures just gets them —although perhaps needlessly— paranoid.
What is it... something like, 90% of so polled Americans are happy for an 'ex-paedophile' to be re-integrated and housed somewhere, but not in their own local area. Even though they would obviously be monitored, unless a policeman is actually standing outside their door 24/7, it's not happening.

People can be wrongly accused D:
Ah, that makes sense...

Spinor
March 31st, 2010, 08:02 PM
I'd rather have meh tax money go into hundreds of dollars in drugs to avoid these kinds of people rather than thousands of dollars to maintain these kinds of people. You can't argue with that economic logic, can you?

Esper
March 31st, 2010, 08:22 PM
Call me cynical, but I think there is something worse going on inside a rapist that won't be castrated along with the libido. I think it takes a certain kind of deeply disturbed individual to do something like that, perhaps even more disturbed than some murderers are.

Timbjerr
March 31st, 2010, 08:36 PM
Call me cynical, but I think there is something worse going on inside a rapist that won't be castrated along with the libido. I think it takes a certain kind of deeply disturbed individual to do something like that, perhaps even more disturbed than some murderers are.

Not entirely...most of them are just really horny older guys who need to find a form of release...

My father is currently serving time for a sex crime, and he's been an incredible male role model for me and several neighborhood kids while I was growing up. He just had...and addiction that needed attention. It unfortunately got him in trouble and communicating with him these days, it's obvious that he deeply regrets his actions and the toll it's done on my mother, my brother, and myself.

He's clearly not even remotely as emotionally disturbed as a murderer is. >_>

twocows
March 31st, 2010, 08:59 PM
Not entirely...most of them are just really horny older guys who need to find a form of release...

My father is currently serving time for a sex crime, and he's been an incredible male role model for me and several neighborhood kids while I was growing up. He just had...and addiction that needed attention. It unfortunately got him in trouble and communicating with him these days, it's obvious that he deeply regrets his actions and the toll it's done on my mother, my brother, and myself.

He's clearly not even remotely as emotionally disturbed as a murderer is. >_>
At least in the US, "sex criminal" and "rapist" are nowhere near synonymous. Going out nude is a "sex crime" and will land you on the "sex offender registry," which means you'll be lucky if you even get a job working at McDonalds ever again. I can't tell because you're being vague (understandably so), but the way I read it, I don't think your father did anything too wrong.

TheUltimateSacrifice
April 1st, 2010, 02:51 AM
Lobotomy any day of the week.

Mana
April 1st, 2010, 02:58 AM
I think if this was to be used it would have to be on a repeat offender, and rather than being INSTEAD of jail it should mean a shorter sentence.

Getting a decreased sex drive is hardly a punishment for raping people.

Throat
April 1st, 2010, 03:11 AM
I think if this was to be used it would have to be on a repeat offender, and rather than being INSTEAD of jail it should mean a shorter sentence.

Getting a decreased sex drive is hardly a punishment for raping people.
Actually, it should be used in the ones that has done it for the first time. Most people who does it has a sexual deviation (or even a sexual desire that couldn't manage to control). However, there're people who, even without libido, could be dangerous for society. As I said, the chemical castration could be an advantage for him himself, because if that's not so, he's going to be for a long time (being inactive) in the jail.

john c0nnor
April 1st, 2010, 10:19 AM
As long as its used on those people, I'm fine with it.

RTHookers
April 1st, 2010, 11:03 AM
I'd rather drug myself. Which I do, which reminds me I need to redrug myself for now.




...Thankfully I already don't remember this.

Sneeze
April 1st, 2010, 02:51 PM
The effect isn't permanent. They have to go in every so often and get another shot to keep them chemically castrated. Fortunately the flight risk can be averted by forcing all chemically castrated offenders to wear a waterproof tracking device on their ankle.

That's good then. Fully in favour of this. Can administer the dose to match the severity of the crime then if not permanent.

Bianca Paragon
April 1st, 2010, 11:31 PM
Actually, over time the effect does become permanent ~ just is in many transgirl, the testes atrophy and begin to lose functionality. Tho coming off anti-androgens does restore a mostly baseline testosterone level; there's a very very high chance of permanent sterility.

Of course, it's outrageous that there are thousands of transgirls in the US that desperately need these medications as part of their treatment ~ but can't get them; yet they're going to give them to sex offenders for free?

Aureol
April 1st, 2010, 11:35 PM
I don't know about this :| This sounds a bit inhuman... granted, rapists are pretty messed up in the head, but I still don't feel quite right about this.

If I were to do something to earn this, I would rather rot in jail for a long time.

Kura
April 2nd, 2010, 12:46 AM
I'd want it to be passed. Those who abuse it should lose it.

And trannys don't DESPERATELY need anything. It's not like food and shelter. I'm not going to pay (through tax dollars) for them to change their body, because I couldn't give a crap whether or not someone wants to be a girl or guy. They can deal, or pay for it themselves.

It's just as outrageous as me demanding everyone else to pay for any plastic surgery or even personal gym trainers, nutritionists, psychologists, etc if I wanted something extra out of my life.

HEY YOU CAN PAY FOR A CHIROPRACTOR FOR ME! I NEED TO GET INSOLES FOR MY SHOES!!

LayZee_in_charge
April 2nd, 2010, 01:19 AM
i think they should use a guillotine for pedafilez and chemical castration for people who go around spreading AIDz on purpose...i'm sure no one disagreez with me on that last one......

Bianca Paragon
April 2nd, 2010, 03:43 AM
I'd want it to be passed. Those who abuse it should lose it.

And trannys don't DESPERATELY need anything. It's not like food and shelter. I'm not going to pay (through tax dollars) for them to change their body, because I couldn't give a crap whether or not someone wants to be a girl or guy. They can deal, or pay for it themselves.

It's just as outrageous as me demanding everyone else to pay for any plastic surgery or even personal gym trainers, nutritionists, psychologists, etc if I wanted something extra out of my life.

HEY YOU CAN PAY FOR A CHIROPRACTOR FOR ME! I NEED TO GET INSOLES FOR MY SHOES!!
It's not a *want*. It's a *need*. It's a medically accepted mental illness that can generally only be treated by transition. You're being an idiot. It's like saying "diabetics don't need insulin shots" or people who have an infection don't need antibiotics. Do not come here and talk about stuff you have no idea about; just makes you look like a moron.

Throat
April 2nd, 2010, 04:28 AM
It's not a *want*. It's a *need*. It's a medically accepted mental illness that can generally only be treated by transition. You're being an idiot. It's like saying "diabetics don't need insulin shots" or people who have an infection don't need antibiotics. Do not come here and talk about stuff you have no idea about; just makes you look like a moron.
By transexual are you talking about homosexual people who seeks for sex change or hermafroditism?

Bianca Paragon
April 2nd, 2010, 04:31 AM
By transexual are you talking about homosexual people who seeks for sex change or hermafroditism?
Uhh..actually a good amount of transgendered folk don't identify as homosexuals, at all. But yes, I refer to transgendered folk, not to hermaphrodites who are, generally speaking, "corrected" physically at birth by removal of the male genitals.

Throat
April 2nd, 2010, 04:35 AM
Uhh..actually a good amount of transgendered folk don't identify as homosexuals, at all. But yes, I refer to transgendered folk, not to hermaphrodites who are, generally speaking, "corrected" physically at birth by removal of the male genitals.
Aw... it seems quite more complicated than hermafroditism then. Doesn't government support people who are born with such problems?

Bianca Paragon
April 2nd, 2010, 05:00 AM
In modern, first-world countries; if you have gone thru all the official channels? Sure. But in the US? You're on your own.

インフェルノの津波
April 2nd, 2010, 05:06 AM
It's not a *want*. It's a *need*. It's a medically accepted mental illness that can generally only be treated by transition. You're being an idiot. It's like saying "diabetics don't need insulin shots" or people who have an infection don't need antibiotics. Do not come here and talk about stuff you have no idea about; just makes you look like a moron.

You really shouldn't be saying that, just because she doesn't know about this doesn't mean you can talk to her like that.

ON-TOPIC: I think this is a great way to kill the Pedo Bear.

Bianca Paragon
April 2nd, 2010, 05:24 AM
You really shouldn't be saying that, just because she doesn't know about this doesn't mean you can talk to her like that.

ON-TOPIC: I think this is a great way to kill the Pedo Bear.
It's the only way she'll learn~
Don't think of me as an aggressor; instead consider me an educator.

Aureol
April 2nd, 2010, 08:33 AM
It's the only way she'll learn~
Don't think of me as an aggressor; instead consider me an educator.

All we need is an "educator" that wants to preach for the opposite side, and we've got a locked topic :\

I guess castration wouldn't be so bad as an option, on second thought. As a replacement? I don't think so: I think that this process is unnatural enough to where a person should get to choose a very long time in jail over the treatment. It's as if we were to alter the brain to where it could not comprehend theft as a punishment for thieves: we lose a major part of our personalities in the process and become less human. I think that's a punishment too cruel to force on people, but I welcome the option.

It's always tough to decide if rapists deserve to be treated as humans or vermin... arguably, they could be viewed as either one.

Jolene
April 2nd, 2010, 08:45 AM
It's the only way she'll learn~
Don't think of me as an aggressor; instead consider me an educator.

Oh, you just come across as a perpetually angry young man.

And I suppose this kind of treatment is fine if the offender decides he wants to reform. I dunno, I don't really have an opinion on the matter - I thought this topic was going to be about dogs.

Bianca Paragon
April 2nd, 2010, 09:12 AM
Oh, you just come across as a perpetually angry young man.
Call me a man again and I'll be shure to report your post~

Esper
April 2nd, 2010, 11:15 AM
Chemical castration feels like someone's hope that drugs will fix a problem they can't think of a better way to fix. Kind of like how lots of kids with behavioral problems are on medication.

I think it's irresponsible and potentially dangerous to give rapists drugs and then release them to the public. Aside from the fact I think they should be punished, if they're let out too soon there's no way of knowing how likely they are to find other ways of hurting people or even how well the castration worked on them.

And BP has a point. If she's expected to work for her medicines then these rapists should have to earn their castration somehow.

Corvus of the Black Night
April 2nd, 2010, 11:25 AM
My question is... why? I prefer the older method of keeping them secluded from society.

Spikey-Eared Pichu
April 2nd, 2010, 12:55 PM
The idea seems good, in theory. But does this drug have adverse effects or does it become ineffective in people who take certain medication?

Mattysaurus
April 2nd, 2010, 03:09 PM
I don't think it's very humane.
I mean people should not, by any means, have sex with a child. Now that's inhumane.

But what if they truly change and can never have a child of their own. God Forbid