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Relith
April 6th, 2010, 03:07 PM
So, I have submitted a new thread that took a long time to create, and it was never approved, but I have seen new threads that were approved before mine was. Why is that?

Timbjerr
April 6th, 2010, 03:10 PM
It depends on what forum it's in and how busy the moderator there is. The general rule of thumb is that if a thread it taking too long for approval, send a friendly PM to the moderator. Sometimes they forget or something.

mystletainn
April 6th, 2010, 03:48 PM
Well it was deleted by Neo-Dragon so it appears it didn't meet the section's standards. You seem to be missing basic things required in the Drawing Board forum. Read the rules and try again.

Flashpoint
April 6th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Well it was deleted by Neo-Dragon so it appears it didn't meet the section's standards. You seem to be missing basic things required in the Drawing Board forum. Read the rules and try again.

Thats pretty screwed up you know!! And can you guys just leave it and tell him to modify, he took all that time and the moderator just deletes it thats cruel.

curiousnathan
April 6th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Well it was deleted by Neo-Dragon so it appears it didn't meet the section's standards. You seem to be missing basic things required in the Drawing Board forum. Read the rules and try again.

Thats pretty screwed up you know!! And can you guys just leave it and tell him to modify, he took all that time and the moderator just deletes it thats cruel.
I have to agree there, why couldn't the mdoerator send it back and tell the creator to fix whats wrong, instead of deleting what this souns like a really good thread.

Don't worry it has happened to me like 3 times already and I DID meet all the requirements?

Ninja Caterpie
April 6th, 2010, 04:17 PM
I have to agree there, why couldn't the mdoerator send it back and tell the creator to fix whats wrong, instead of deleting what this souns like a really good thread.

Because, uhm, how do you send a thread wat.

Flashpoint
April 6th, 2010, 04:17 PM
Don't worry it has happened to me like 3 times already
and I DID meet all the requirements?

Yea me to, but my point is the thread should of been kept open not deleted.

Because, uhm, how do you send a thread wat.

Simple they shouldn't of deleted it just tell him to fix it.

Ninja Caterpie
April 6th, 2010, 04:20 PM
The thing is, what should you delete and what shouldn't you delete?

You can't just leave every crappy thread out and tell people to improve. There's no way to tell just effort, either. Results show. Effort doesn't.

mystletainn
April 6th, 2010, 04:20 PM
Don't worry it has happened to me like 3 times already
and I DID meet all the requirements?

Yea me to, but my point is the thread should of been kept open not deleted.

Because, uhm, how do you send a thread wat.

Simple they shouldn't of deleted it just tell him to fix it.

Your act is getting old. Drop it. If you hate PC so much, no one is forcing you to stay here.

And OP, PM Neo-Dragon and ask him for advice on how to improve your thread to meet the forum's standard. And if you want I can send you your thread again so you don't have to start over.

Flashpoint
April 6th, 2010, 04:21 PM
Still it should be open and throughly looked at.

Ninja Caterpie
April 6th, 2010, 04:24 PM
See, if you leave it open, you let the whole world look at any fail that's there, and even after it's fixed, they might still not like it because it wasn't done properly.

Not show it and it's fine. You can always PM the mod to see why and then fix it up.

curiousnathan
April 6th, 2010, 04:29 PM
What I am trying to say by 'sending it back' is that mabye the moderator could send some imporvements. Not the actual thread. Sorry for that.

.Gamer
April 6th, 2010, 04:30 PM
Happens with thread moderation. Its probably not up to snuff. Fix it and resubmit it. C+P it to Word or notepad or something so you can expand upon if after getting ideas from the forum moderator.

EDIT: @ Above, Luke wasn't talking to you.

Zet
April 6th, 2010, 04:30 PM
Well it was deleted by Neo-Dragon so it appears it didn't meet the section's standards. You seem to be missing basic things required in the Drawing Board forum. Read the rules and try again.

Thats pretty screwed up you know!! And can you guys just leave it and tell him to modify, he took all that time and the moderator just deletes it thats cruel.

If you hate the staff so much for being douches, why are you being douche? Do you want to become a moderator or something?

But it's kinda obvious why you're thread isn't approved if you don't see it. And it's best to double check with the moderator in case they didn't notice it.

Yusshin
April 6th, 2010, 04:34 PM
I've had this happen to me before, too, in the moveset & strategies forum on another account. I checked everyday for a week, and was never informed that my topic "didn't meet requirements"; however, when it comes to infractions, I'm instantly sent a rude PM telling me what I did wrong (even though another mod' already talked to me about it). Perhaps that's more of an extreme spot, but it's not that difficult to send a quoted copy of the post to the thread creator and say "You've done this wrong". That'd definitely be the more considerate option, rather than just deleting it and not telling what went wrong.

That's like handing in homework and the teacher putting an F on it without circling errors and mentioning "not enough detail", etc. That's a pretty crappy teacher.

curiousnathan
April 6th, 2010, 04:42 PM
I've had this happen to me before, too, in the moveset & strategies forum on another account. I checked everyday for a week, and was never informed that my topic "didn't meet requirements"; however, when it comes to infractions, I'm instantly sent a rude PM telling me what I did wrong (even though another mod' already talked to me about it). Perhaps that's more of an extreme spot, but it's not that difficult to send a quoted copy of the post to the thread creator and say "You've done this wrong". That'd definitely be the more considerate option, rather than just deleting it and not telling what went wrong.

That's like handing in homework and the teacher putting an F on it without circling errors and mentioning "not enough detail", etc. That's a pretty crappy teacher.

Eaxctly what I have been thinking. Why not send some suggesrtions instead of just deleting it. I know where some people are coming from, escpecially the moderators. They don't have time to quote every single thread that is not up to scratch that would spend time easily. But still..

Zet
April 6th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Eaxctly what I have been thinking. Why not send some suggesrtions instead of just deleting it. I know where some people are coming from, escpecially the moderators. They don't have time to quote every single thread that is not up to scratch that would spend time easily. But still..

But still.. People should have read the rules before posting their thread to await approval.

Zorua
April 6th, 2010, 04:52 PM
But still.. People should have read the rules before posting their thread to await approval.

I full on agree with this. And for obvious reasons, people. You should have read the rules. And if anyone wants to use the "school" example(which is quite lame by the way, but if that's the card you want to pull), that's like going into a college thinking that they're going to give you SUGGESTIONS when you've been clearly given a set of rules of some sort that you must abide by before even stepping foot into the class. If you break a rule, the professor isn't going to "suggest" anything. They're going to kick your ass out.

You guys are lucky this doesn't happen on a flipping Pokemon forum. Moderators, depending on who they are, may reiterate certain parts of the rules to you, but for the most part, they are to be understood. You guys just don't want to read them and to be honest, thats your fault. You should have read them; the mods aren't going to hold your hand 24/7 and tell you everything you need to know.

Ninja Caterpie
April 6th, 2010, 04:53 PM
That's like handing in homework and the teacher putting an F on it without circling errors and mentioning "not enough detail", etc. That's a pretty crappy teacher.

Yes, but only if the kid was a pretty crappy kid and had like 500 words instead of a needed 2000.

Patchisou Yutohru
April 6th, 2010, 04:59 PM
...So many people are taking others' comments out of context in such a great deal. It's surprising. Most of these I didn't think could be taken out of context, yet somehow they were.

This is the only thing I don't like about thread approval on a vBulletin forum system. If a thread is unapproved for whatever reason, on any forum in the community, the thread is deleted. The moderator usually puts the reason in the deleted thread notice and that's it. The members have absolutely no idea why their thread wasn't approved and contacting every single member individually through private messages is so stressful for some of the forums considering how many members post a thread in that forum a day.

Most of the time when a member posts a thread, they don't see the problems until after they post it or someone reads it and points out the problems. It happens with everything usually. Be it a research paper at school, or something else. Usually the person creating whatever they're creating doesn't spot the errors that someone who hasn't stared at it for hours would be able to spot hands down.

Deleting the thread isn't exactly the problem. It's the fact that most people who don't ask sit there wondering why their thread wasn't approved. I think this calls for some add-on hunting. An add-on that sets a thread that's in a moderated forum to have something submitted to the member who created the original post for the thread with the reason the moderator didn't approve it. It doesn't have to be anything big or anything. Just an automatic PM that's sent to the member after a moderator decides that the thread doesn't belong.

Just my opinion. But Luke's suggestion on asking Neo-Dragon is the only thing you can do right now.

Heart's Soul
April 6th, 2010, 05:00 PM
^ Heh. Our teacher wanted a 3-4 page report on something, I give her 10 pages of high detail and I got a B because I don't double-space my work. And it came out in black and white.

Anyway, the moderator had the rights to do so as the OP should have both read the rules and looked at threads that were allowed in. That's how I got my Trade Thread up, which deserves to have moderator approval.

Patchisou Yutohru
April 6th, 2010, 05:17 PM
You guys are lucky this doesn't happen on a flipping Pokemon forum. Moderators, depending on who they are, may reiterate certain parts of the rules to you, but for the most part, they are to be understood. You guys just don't want to read them and to be honest, thats your fault. You should have read them; the mods aren't going to hold your hand 24/7 and tell you everything you need to know.
Just thought I should comment on this. It's true, most moderators aren't going to hold your hand and tell you what you should do, teach you the right way to do something, and tell you what you shouldn't do (until it comes to that). Some - no, most - moderators, however, are willing to meet a member halfway and give members who don't necessarily know what they're doing around here or are intimidated for whatever reason to do something a helping hand during their time.

With that said, there are plenty of members in the community who are more than willing to do the same. It doesn't have to be someone on the staff, but for some reason some members feel that it does. But moderators are not people who are here to yell at you for whatever you do wrong. And, like always, people always think we're doing things just to get them out of spite because they think we don't like them.

parallelzero
April 6th, 2010, 05:55 PM
I've had this happen to me before, too, in the moveset & strategies forum on another account. I checked everyday for a week, and was never informed that my topic "didn't meet requirements"; however, when it comes to infractions, I'm instantly sent a rude PM telling me what I did wrong (even though another mod' already talked to me about it). Perhaps that's more of an extreme spot, but it's not that difficult to send a quoted copy of the post to the thread creator and say "You've done this wrong". That'd definitely be the more considerate option, rather than just deleting it and not telling what went wrong.

That's like handing in homework and the teacher putting an F on it without circling errors and mentioning "not enough detail", etc. That's a pretty crappy teacher.

Clearly you fail to see the difference between a teacher and a moderator. If you could, you never would have used that analogy. As members, you are expected to read the rules that we have clearly posted (and stickied!) and follow them as such. If you don't follow them, that's not our problem. Under no circumstance is it a mod's job to teach you how to improve nor set out every reason as to why what you did was wrong.

Yuoaman
April 6th, 2010, 05:55 PM
You didn't read the rules thoroughly.

That's the only real explanation for a thread not being approved after spending "a long time" working on it.

Being as familiar with the section in question as I am, I conclude that you probably had no actual progress on your project, leading to it not being approved.

Melody
April 6th, 2010, 06:17 PM
I'm going to have to agree with the staff on this one. Moderators, while they are expected to have a certain level of tact and friendliness to get the job, they aren't expected to hold your hand. Quite frankly, I find it to be a usually nice gesture for a moderator to PM you instead of keeping quiet or infracting you for whatever it was.

Like just today, Chibi-chan took time to point out some new rules in OVP concerning some threads I'd reported in OC and suggested for moving to OVP. (She didn't have to do that really, she could have easily found some way to infract me. x3)

Drew
April 6th, 2010, 06:31 PM
I'm gonna touch on the original topic of this, and say that if you submit a thread that you poured your blood, sweat, and tears into setting up, only to have it be deleted.. then here's something: Copy/Paste it into Word/Notepad before you submit it.

That way, if the thread is denied, then you'll still have everything that you typed up, and you can go in and edit it, rather than having to re-do the entire thing. The moderators in that area understand that sometimes members spend a lot of time on the threads they submit, but they still have to do their job and deny it if it doesn't meet the requirements. If you didn't think to save all that you typed up, that's on you, and not something you should get mad at them for. @_@

If people would just do that, and save it in a notepad file, it would really reduce the amount of threads like this, and disappointed members whose work was disapproved of. Always save posts that are lengthy, or at least copy 'em. Just sayin'.

Hiroshi Sotomura
April 6th, 2010, 07:49 PM
I should mention this: mods cannot permanently delete any thread. Perhaps the quick and easy solution is just to request a copy of the thread?

.Gamer
April 6th, 2010, 09:41 PM
I've had this happen to me before, too, in the moveset & strategies forum on another account. I checked everyday for a week, and was never informed that my topic "didn't meet requirements"; however, when it comes to infractions, I'm instantly sent a rude PM telling me what I did wrong (even though another mod' already talked to me about it). Perhaps that's more of an extreme spot, but it's not that difficult to send a quoted copy of the post to the thread creator and say "You've done this wrong". That'd definitely be the more considerate option, rather than just deleting it and not telling what went wrong.

That's like handing in homework and the teacher putting an F on it without circling errors and mentioning "not enough detail", etc. That's a pretty crappy teacher.

If it makes you feel any better, S&M no longer has mod approval. So post away.

Relith
April 7th, 2010, 12:58 PM
Seems like I got backed up quite a bit in this thread. Anyway, thanks guys, but I'll have it resolved later when Luke sends me the original copy back, and tells me what needs to be improved. So..thanks again?