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Netto Azure
April 7th, 2010, 04:07 PM
UK set for hung Parliament with Tories largest party (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8666128.stm)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47793000/jpg/_47793505_cameron_brown_clegg.jpg
David Cameron says Labour "has lost its mandate to govern" as the Conservatives look set to be the biggest party in a hung parliament.


With more than 500 general election results in out of 650, the BBC is predicting a hung Parliament with the Tories as the largest party.
Labour cannot now win a majority, but it is not clear which party will be in a position to form a government.
Tory leader David Cameron said it was "clear that the Labour government has lost its mandate to govern".
Gordon Brown may start coalition talks with the Lib Dems, who, Nick Clegg admitted, had a "disappointing night" .
The BBC projection suggests David Cameron's Conservatives will have 306 seats. If there are 10 Unionists elected in Northern Ireland then Mr Cameron might be able to command 316 - probably still slightly too few for him to be sure of winning a Queen's Speech.
But Labour and the Lib Dems together would have 317 seats, according to the BBC figures, which even with three SDLP MPs would still leave them at 320 - again probably just a few votes short.



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Shadow foreign secretary William Hague says any attempt by Brown at securing a pact with Lib Dems "would be a shameless piece of politics".
But senior Labour figures have said that under the rules of Britain's constitution, the sitting prime minister in a hung parliament makes the first attempt at forming a ruling coalition.
In other election night news:



Northern Ireland's first minister and DUP leader Peter Robinson has been defeated (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/northern_ireland/8666196.stm) in East Belfast by the Alliance party
The Greens have gained their first MP at Westminster - party leader Caroline Lucas in Brighton Pavillion
Education secretary Ed Balls hung on in Morley and Outwood by just over 100 votes but former Home Secretary Charles Clarke narrowly lost to the Lib Dem candidate in Norwich South
Jacqui Smith, who stood down as home secretary over her expenses, lost her Redditch seat to the Conservative (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8666867.stm) but Hazel Blears retained her seat in Salford
Labour's Margaret Hodge beat the BNP's Nick Griffin in Barking and Dagenham, with a 5% increase in her vote
Esther Rantzen came fourth in Luton South, which went to the Labour candidate
Lib Dem frontbencher Lembit Opik has lost his Montgomeryshire seat after suffering a 13.2% swing to the Conservatives
There were angry scenes and calls for an inquiry after people were turned away from polling stations (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8666338.stm) as long queues formed ahead of the 2200 BST voting deadline.


With most results in, the Lib Dem vote is up 0.9% on 2005, Labour down 6.5% and the Conservatives up 4%.
Turnout is running at 65.2%, a modest increase on the 2005 general election.



Well here we are the next day with a hung parliament.

Here's a chart with the possible ways the government will be formed:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47788000/gif/_47788852_election_outcomes466.gif

But whatever government comes out of this will be saddled with some of the toughest questions on finances for the next generation. Good Luck to them.



Well at least the British Campaign season isn't as long as the US' XD
Then again we are in a perpetual campaign mode here in the US with our 2 year election cycle.

To be frank I am not sure which of the 3 main parties to support.

The Tories seem to be the choice for Deficit cuts and the NHS, but their past administrations are well...:/

New Labour on the other hand spearheaded the global bank bailouts, yet is still embroiled in the Iraqi fact-finding committee. :o

And well, the Lib Dems...are the Lib Dems. XD I'm tilting towards them this time though. but oh well. XP

Fire-Red
April 8th, 2010, 04:55 AM
This is my first general election and voting has never seened more pointless to me.

Netto Azure
April 8th, 2010, 06:49 AM
This is my first general election and voting has never seened more pointless to me.


How so? Is it the general way each party has it's own quirks?

Bluerang1
April 8th, 2010, 07:11 AM
The Tory's need to stop picking on Gordon and being so smug.

NarutoActor
April 8th, 2010, 07:15 AM
I am an American, but If I lived in Great Britain I would side with the conservative party.

I am assuming tho that the conservative party in Great Britain, is like the conservative party in America.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
April 8th, 2010, 07:24 AM
I think labour lost themselves the election after they launched the campaign comparing David Cameron to Gene Hunt. That must have been the stupidest move possible.

Went
April 8th, 2010, 09:51 AM
I am an American, but If I lived in Great Britain I would side with the conservative party.

I am assuming tho that the conservative party in Great Britain, is like the conservative party in America.

The Conservative Party in Britain is halfway but something nearer the Democrats than the Republicans. If the political centre between Labour/Social Democracy and Conservatives is a 5 out of 10 (10 being right and 0 left) in Europe, it's around 7 in the US.

Quoting Timothy Garton Ash, from The Guardian, it's a really interesting election because both parties deserve to lose- Labour has been screwing its own party up since the Iraq War and Blair's resignation, and the Conservatives, despite Cameron's hard work, haven't fully left their scary legend from Major's years.

Not to mention the electoral system is blatantly biased for Labour's side. Hopefully it will be changed for a new, more proportional system.

I don't have any favourites myself. Clegg is going to be the winner unless Brown revives and grabs a full majority or Cameron attracts all the votes from the divided areas (not likely), so my hopes are, whoever wins, Clegg is intelligent enough to use his power wisely and ensure a smooth transition from the current situation instead of just giving his votes to one of the sides for free.

The Commons need to change after the recent scandals, and that will need a lot of political energy.

FreakyLocz14
April 8th, 2010, 10:15 AM
The UK system concerns me. If the Prime Minister can call an election whenever he feels it's convenient that would create a system of one-party rule since elections would be called whenever the ruling party has the best chance of winning.

Went
April 8th, 2010, 10:21 AM
They have had that system for a century (and a similar one before) and, during the last 30 years, both parties have been alternatively winning and losing regularly, maybe not as often as in other countries, but the UK isn't a one-party country.

But I agree they need a set list of rules. I think any person who knows about the UK politics will agree with that.

FreakyLocz14
April 8th, 2010, 10:41 AM
They have had that system for a century (and a similar one before) and, during the last 30 years, both parties have been alternatively winning and losing regularly, maybe not as often as in other countries, but the UK isn't a one-party country.

But I agree they need a set list of rules. I think any person who knows about the UK politics will agree with that.

I'm probably over estimimating the system through a bit of an American bias. This system is a sharp contrast to our idea to seperation of powers.

The system certainly has the potential for abuse though.

Went
April 8th, 2010, 10:55 AM
That's correct. It's a wonder that, specially with a "first past the post" system, it hasn't been abused in an over-the-top way. But 10 and 15 years of same party predominance aren't so weird in other countries in Europe or the US, with different electoral systems.

FreakyLocz14
April 8th, 2010, 10:58 AM
Meh the Republicans took over in 1994 then the Dems came in in 2006.
And even that party that has the majority can't get monopolize due to the fillibuster rule, checks and balances, U.S. Supreme Court rulings, executive veto, etc.
Look how much hell it took to pass a healthcare bill when the Democrats even have a fillibuster-proof majority and control the White House.

Kon~
April 8th, 2010, 11:44 AM
To be honest, I doubt anyone is going to beat Labour back into power. Just because they've been in power for so long. :/

Blue Nocturne
April 9th, 2010, 01:40 AM
Basically:
If Labour stay in power, Britain is in trouble
If Conservative takes power, Britain is in trouble
If Lib Dems take power, Britain will fall off the maps

Im supporting conservatives though, my main gripe is with money and the Conservative plan makes a lot more sense to me than Labour. On top of that i just really cannot stand labour, and I don't think that a party stupid enough to compare Cameron to Gene Hunt in an attempt to make him look BAD should be in power of the country. And a man who has the confidence to launch his campaign with just a big picture of his head is surely more confident in handling important situations than a man who already looks like he's died and.... Richard Clegg?

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
April 9th, 2010, 05:28 AM
Basically:
If Labour stay in power, Britain is in trouble
If Conservative takes power, Britain is in trouble
If Lib Dems take power, Britain will fall off the maps

Sad, but true. Um, so we have....the Green party? The BNP? UKIP?

...

Why are all of our political parties so rubbish? >.<

hashtag
April 10th, 2010, 03:43 AM
BNP ftw.

But seriously, I've always liked the Tories, and I'll be pushing them again.

Banjora Marxvile
April 11th, 2010, 02:22 AM
OMG Harry, a Torie!

Right, my view. It's politics, all of them have lied. However, I do have to say, I don't like David Cameron. And I live with the most fanatical Conservative ever, my dad (even delivered a Conservative leaflet to one of my best friends. Lucky they didn't know it was him.)

My political view is like the Conservative one I guess. Just, I don't like the current leader of them. And who will most likely win after Brown's major... Mess. And the Lib Dems (who I like 2nd most) have no chance, even if they won, as they need a certain number of seats in politics (as my dad constantly reminds me), so it is a Conservative victory.

Gold warehouse
April 11th, 2010, 06:19 AM
The same scenario always happens; the Conservatives will win the election because Gordon Brown & Labour is widely hated at the moment, then after a few years the Conservatives will ruin something big that turns everyone against them, then Labour will take the next election. All our political parties are equally useless. The Liberal Democrats are almost as bad, but to be honest I'd rather see them win than Conservatives or Labour. Modern politics are a joke.

Alexithymia~
April 12th, 2010, 07:25 AM
I don't think the fact that Labour sent round leaflets to Cancer sufferers saying that the Tory policies on cancer could endanger their lives, really helped them. They were sent to like two hundred thousand people, or something. They had to apologise AGAIN.

Also, Gordon Brown has the personality [and look] of boiled cabbage.

Went
April 12th, 2010, 10:08 AM
Also, Gordon Brown has the personality [and look] of boiled cabbage.

And he has real chances of winning again. I think that sad line just speaks wonders about the current scenario in the UK.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
May 4th, 2010, 09:45 AM
The news has just claimed that voting numbers are expected to hit a record low. Despite earlier reporting that Cleggmania was going to draw in all the students and such >.>

Kon~
May 4th, 2010, 12:53 PM
As I've seen so far, Nick Clegg still seems to be the strongest candidate. It seems likelier and likelier that the Lib Dems are going to swipe this one, IMHO. Conservative aren't putting enough ideals forwards and there seems to be a mutual agreement across the country that Labour has failed us. Pretty much all smaller parties than these three are too obscure or specialist to gain much attention, or fill themselves with silly self-righteousness like the BNP or UKIP.

On the subject of BNP, Nick Griffin made a huge blunder earlier this week/fortnight. He dressed up as St. George - the Palistine-born Roman immigrant. *facepalm*

If only I were old enough to vote, because I've got this sudden and previously non-existant interest in politics right now, and I have my own ideas of which would be the best route to take.

Jolene
May 4th, 2010, 01:12 PM
If only I were old enough to vote, because I've got this sudden and previously non-existant interest in politics right now, and I have my own ideas of which would be the best route to take.

That always happens when there's a big political thing. People start acting like experts and stuff, even though they're just spitting up the things they saw on TV.

Zeph.
May 5th, 2010, 12:18 AM
I personally think people with just stick with Brown - stick with what they know in order to get out of this apparent 'mess' the country is in.

However there's a gut feeling I have saying the Lib Dems might surprise us all...

Magik?!
May 5th, 2010, 09:03 AM
My school are holding a mock campaign for it and I'm the Green Party candidate (I know o.o'), despite not really having supported any politics before, so I've ended up having to read up on everything. Personally I think that the Lib Dems are gonna do well, I think that their policies are pretty good, compared to the others. But I guess it depends on your backgrounds etc... students at my school tend to be slightly 'better off' than average, so there's a huge number of Conservatives, yet my friend groups outside of school are all Labour/Lib Dem because they come from less priveliged backgrounds and they don't care about inheiritance taxes and so on.

Went
May 5th, 2010, 09:58 AM
Also, fun fact: there is no reason for Brown to resign until it's clear that he won't have enough seats to keep his position, meaning that the Queen can't ask Cameron to lead the new Government until Labour accepts defeat. Meaning that they still have the upper hand to create a coalition Government.

My bet:

The Tories will win but won't get enough seats to win.
The Lib-Dems will be second but will lose in seats thanks to the wonderful British electoral system.
Labour will come last but will get over 200 seats.

And then a) Labour chooses a new leader, Brown resigns after Clegg accepts joining a coalition Government (highly likely); b) Cameron offers Clegg a ministry and a new electoral system, Brown gives up (very likely); c) the libs reject all the offers, Brown resigns, Cameron starts a dead minority Government (not really likely); d) new elections soon (aftermath of c).

Netto Azure
May 5th, 2010, 10:04 AM
I highly doubt that we'll have a hung parliament after this election. As Canada has shown with it's Conservative Minority government, you need a lot of guts and authority to Prorogue Parliament arm twist people into passing policies without a coalition.

So yeah, Wenty's scenario's are pretty much spot on.

Kon~
May 5th, 2010, 12:58 PM
My school are holding a mock campaign for it and I'm the Green Party candidate (I know o.o'), despite not really having supported any politics before, so I've ended up having to read up on everything. Personally I think that the Lib Dems are gonna do well, I think that their policies are pretty good, compared to the others. But I guess it depends on your backgrounds etc... students at my school tend to be slightly 'better off' than average, so there's a huge number of Conservatives, yet my friend groups outside of school are all Labour/Lib Dem because they come from less priveliged backgrounds and they don't care about inheiritance taxes and so on.

That's my thoughts exactly. Plus, the Lib Dems are talking about setting up things for students, like writing off student loans, which is why many students that I know (as my sister is in university currently) are voting Lib Dem in the hope that their loans will be cancelled. I think a lot of students are going to do the same, so that'll be a few thousand votes under Clegg's belt, surely?
(And I didn't get any of that from TV, Jolene. :p )

Rich Boy Rob
May 5th, 2010, 01:20 PM
As I've seen so far, Nick Clegg still seems to be the strongest candidate. It seems likelier and likelier that the Lib Dems are going to swipe this one, IMHO. Conservative aren't putting enough ideals forwards and there seems to be a mutual agreement across the country that Labour has failed us. Pretty much all smaller parties than these three are too obscure or specialist to gain much attention, or fill themselves with silly self-righteousness like the BNP or UKIP.

On the subject of BNP, Nick Griffin made a huge blunder earlier this week/fortnight. He dressed up as St. George - the Palistine-born Roman immigrant. *facepalm*

If only I were old enough to vote, because I've got this sudden and previously non-existant interest in politics right now, and I have my own ideas of which would be the best route to take.

That always happens when there's a big political thing. People start acting like experts and stuff, even though they're just spitting up the things they saw on TV.

I find this aswell. Me and my friends have been having quite a few random political debates recently and I have to say I'm backing Clegg at the moment. To bad I have 2 years till I can vote.

Netto Azure
May 6th, 2010, 07:36 PM
Here's a good graph (Looks like Went's paragraph) of the possibilities in this election.

Also we're getting a Hung Parliament it seems.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47788000/gif/_47788852_election_outcomes466.gif

Wolfechu
May 7th, 2010, 02:56 AM
Oh dear oh dear.

Looks like we've got a hung parliament.
Also looks like Clegg may be backing up Cameron.

What are people's thoughts on this dreadful state of affairs.
For instance the voting controversy.

Discuss :)

TziporaBatBinyamin
May 7th, 2010, 03:34 AM
Hey first to Vote!


I dont think Labour will get in.
For one Lib Dem said they would basically go with the party with the most votes, making a Tory/Lib Dem governemt I think.


I cant believe there are STILL regions that haven't counted the votes yet!

Cassino
May 7th, 2010, 04:29 AM
My father was telling me how when a hung parliament occurs the queen can dissolve it and take power over the nation. I'd prefer that as much as it's not going to happen.

Alinthea
May 7th, 2010, 04:55 AM
I came home for the weekend to vote yesterday.
I stayed up till 4am this morning, watching the live broadcast because I am rather interested in how our country is run.

I could see a hung parliament coming, if I am honest. No one really wanted any of the parties to be running the country, because they were all equally floored.

Also, I think it is a disgrace that people were turned away from voting stations, because they didn't have enough people covering, or running out of paper or because the line was too long.
It is our right to vote.
It is your voice in how the country is run and that is it.

This election was always going to end in disaster and an economic mess.

Wolfechu
May 7th, 2010, 05:11 AM
Aye I totaly agree Captain Fabio :)
I was up till about 5am watching it xD
I think they should do what has been discussed on BBC 1; They should all work together to battle the economic crisis, forget about being different parties, work together to help the nation.
My father was telling me how when a hung parliament occurs the queen can dissolve it and take power over the nation. I'd prefer that as much as it's not going to happen.
I didn't know that xD That sounds fun :D
I cant believe there are STILL regions that haven't counted the votes yet!
I know! How long does it take to count votes?!?! Should be done within about 4 hours, not 12+ hours :/

I'm just eager to hear what Cameron has to say. Then got to wait a while till something solid happens :/

Alinthea
May 7th, 2010, 05:16 AM
Aye I totaly agree Captain Fabio :)
I was up till about 5am watching it xD
I think they should do what has been discussed on BBC 1; They should all work together to battle the economic crisis, forget about being different parties, work together to help the nation.

You have to remember, that parliament doesn't just meet for the big subjects. They discuss and decide on day to day items and problems.
Having all of the trying to decide on one small problem will send them into chaos.

This is the worst outcome but the most obvious to the parties. It is the voters saying that they don't know who they want, because they are all, in short, rubbish.

Wolfechu
May 7th, 2010, 05:26 AM
You have to remember, that parliament doesn't just meet for the big subjects. They discuss and decide on day to day items and problems.
Having all of the trying to decide on one small problem will send them into chaos.
Oh I know that xD I'm just relaying what has been said on Election 2010 :)

Aye it definitely is :( Yep. One thing I don't like about the conservatives is that they want to cut student loans, which means a lot of people won't be able to go to university :/ Gordon Brown should have resigned. Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems have no government background or experience really for them to actually become a stable government. It was like you said just rubbish :/

Alinthea
May 7th, 2010, 05:31 AM
I am a University student and I would cry if my loan got cut. I would have to go to the bank to get loans and then I would end up having to turn to the bank =[

I don't like Labor, because how much they have screwed us. I voted Lib Dems, because I felt Nick Clegg was the only partially human party leader.

Went
May 7th, 2010, 06:15 AM
Right now, Lib-Lab needs 12 more seats, and there are only 6 empty ones left, so chances are we'll end up with a Con-Lib coalition. Unless they start talking to the Sinn Fein... which is really not likely.

The Cynic
May 7th, 2010, 08:24 AM
I wore a black armband today to show my remorse. :cer_frown:

A Lib-Con coalition will be as unstable as Mirage Tower from Pokemon Emerald. Expect a new election within 18 months.

Went
May 7th, 2010, 09:49 AM
(Hopefully under a new electoral system).

hashtag
May 7th, 2010, 09:51 AM
It's seems we're going to be getting a Con-Lib coalition.

Blue Nocturne
May 7th, 2010, 10:01 AM
For me, its kind of a good thing to see what will likely be a Con-Lib coalition, because i was torn between them, but i don't see it lasting, his Clegg-ness has shown quite a bit of hostility towards Cameron before. Regardless, I want to see the stupid election system we have at the moment scrapped. I hate how we can (hypothetically) vote Lib Dem and still end up with the troll (Brown).

To be honest, I don't have a huge problem with Labour, it's Gordon Brown. He has proven himself to be incompetent and a liar. In the debates he was going on about all the political reform Labour would bring, they had 13 years to do it, and nothing happened.

hashtag
May 7th, 2010, 10:20 AM
Well, I for one, am quite happy with seeing 'First past the post' continuing. I'm not sure if Proportional Representation will actually work in England. Hell, it's actually spawned a dictator. (Not in England and chances of that are 0.00000000000000001% so I don't believe it'll ever happen again.)

Went
May 7th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Ironically, I think that a system that helps killing any real opposition in the Parliament by giving absolute majorities to one of the two main parties in almost all the elections is more likely to spawn a dictator than, you know, a system that actually requires at least two parties to agree to rule the country (or a clearly bigger amount of votes, over 40%, to get a majority).

The first past the post system is good when the two big parties get over 90% of the votes, they got near 60% this time. That means the Liberals got 8% less votes than Labour and 10% less votes than the Tories and yet they have 4 times less seats than Labour and 5 times less seats than the Tories. Most of their voters might as well not vote at all. That's the main problem with this system: when a third party comes in... it isn't going to look nice or fair.

Netto Azure
May 7th, 2010, 01:00 PM
Well isn't the electoral system based on constituencies like the US System of filling the House of Representatives?

But yes in terms of a Parliamentary system the proportional based representation makes more sense. I just wonder WHO fills the seat when you don't have a selected constituent area per seat. XD

ALSO WHO THE HECK PUT THAT POLL THERE!?!?!?!? >:O

Rokusasu
May 7th, 2010, 01:29 PM
I am a University student and I would cry if my loan got cut. I would have to go to the bank to get loans and then I would end up having to turn to the bank =[


^ This. As a prospective university student, I'd be devastated if I had to resort to creeping round my bank manager to secure enough money to pay for fees etc. It'd also be unfair to all the people who come from less-fortunate backgrounds; just because their families don't earn as much money, doesn't mean that they should be denied the chance to get a better life for themselves.

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
May 7th, 2010, 01:54 PM
I'm personally pretty happy to see a Lib-Con coalition, assuming that's what we'll get. The lib dems are quite idealistic - which is no bad thing, but by being joined with the tories they can still provide that golden sparkle of hope while keeping anchored in reality. They might also finally get some decent coverage and experience.

Also, fun fact: Lib Dems got 23% of all votes. 23% of the 650 seats would be 149 or 150. Lib Dems got 57 seats.

The Cynic
May 7th, 2010, 01:59 PM
I wore a black armband today to show my remorse. :cer_frown:

A Lib-Con coalition will be as unstable as Mirage Tower from Pokemon Emerald. Expect a new election within 18 months.


Did anyone else publicly lament over the Tory victory? Or do you think political affiliation/support is something that should be kept private?

Wolfechu
May 7th, 2010, 03:38 PM
ALSO WHO THE HECK PUT THAT POLL THERE!?!?!?!? >:O


That Poll was originally by me on my HUNG Parliament thread until it got moved and merged into this one :P So the poll is still there for some reason :)

HaloSonic
May 7th, 2010, 05:34 PM
I hope this ends well, because, a lot of places rely on UK's stability, like the Caribbean for tourism, imports/exports and such.