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NarutoActor
April 21st, 2010, 12:07 PM
My teacher was asking us about this in english class, since we were reading mice, and men. Should Mercy killing be allowed? I for one think no one should be able take another persons life away, even if that person is suffering. Pain make a people grow up.

Esper
April 21st, 2010, 12:43 PM
What if someone is months away from death and in constant pain with no way to stop the pain and they want to die?

The Prince of Sweet Sorrow
April 21st, 2010, 12:48 PM
"Pain make a people grow up".
Um, yeah, if they're gonna die anyway, what the hell do they need to grow up?

ILoveDragonite
April 21st, 2010, 12:50 PM
Your opinion has been shattered in 2 post's, lol <_<

NarutoActor
April 21st, 2010, 01:06 PM
No it haven't, there just stating a common point that most people view. I am not starting a debate post how YOU feel, not replies to how I feel.

Glitchfinder
April 21st, 2010, 01:12 PM
I'd like to bring up another question. If people are so against euthanasia for humans, then why is it all right to put a pet down because you can't afford them, because they're sick and only might recover, or because of the conventional argument for euthanasia in humans, that they're dying anyway, and it should be all right to put them out of their misery? Please note that all three examples I provided for pets are considered perfectly valid in most places, including the fact that most shelters will euthanize pets that have been there for a certain period of time to make room for new ones.

NarutoActor
April 21st, 2010, 01:15 PM
I think euthanasia is wrong no madder what. Life is amazing and should be cherished even during the hard times.

Ayselipera
April 21st, 2010, 01:38 PM
If someone is in horrendous pain and is going to die anyways then I think they should be allowed to be killed. Well I mean... you should probably get an okay from them first. Unless of course it's one of those life support situations where they can't respond and the only reason why they're alive is because of a machine. In that case then I think it's up to the family or closest person to the person on life support.

Stairmaster
April 21st, 2010, 01:40 PM
Euthanasia with humans is usually consensual; you're not being inhumane by following someone's requests. I also don't think people should be subject to pain just to "grow up".

However, I think legalization of euthanasia may just lead to lazier medical practices. "Oh, well she said she was ready to die." So I agree with your standpoint but not your reasons.

Sneeze
April 21st, 2010, 01:53 PM
I am for it, as people have said, if someone wants to die and will spend the last few weeks/months in pain then surely forcing them to stay alive is more inhumane? If they want to die (and have legitimate reasoning to want to die) then they should be able to. Assisted suicide should be legal too as long as all parties are fine with it, not that I could bring myself to do it myself but the option should be there for those that could. And "grow up", really? This isn't about maturity it's about a long and painful death, and how can you expect a thread of this nature not to turn into a debate?

Spinor
April 21st, 2010, 02:05 PM
I really don't think a person who is having horrible pain and know they're gonna die very soon isn't gonna want to kill themselves.

Really, if I suddenly go into pain and I know I definitely will die (Not soon though, please disregard my age :P) I'd really want the doctor to give me some euthanasia. Especially if that is later in my life when my children are mature and I pretty much haven no other purpose in life.

NarutoActor
April 21st, 2010, 02:23 PM
So if a 12 is getting bullied non stop, and commits suicide it would be okay? just because someone is in pain doesn't mean they have the right to end there own life. Suicide is illegal, like euthanasia.

Also on the part about pain growing someone up was obviously not ment for someone who has already lived a long life, for they are already grown up. Please do not take things out of context. :D

Sotto Voce
April 21st, 2010, 02:32 PM
I am definitely for euthanasia--having to watch a close friend die a prolonged and painful death....it hurts immensely and it could have been less worse if they could have had a physician-assisted suicide and had a much less painful death. I see no point in having people to live their last moments in unbearable pain, especially if there isn't much else to be done about it.

Just think to yourself--would you rather die in excruciating pain for days/weeks/months, or end it right then and there and not have to continue like that.

In my humble opinion, I don't believe there is really anything that can be said to justify having to put yourself and your family through something horrible like that.

As for the above post, I don't believe your 12-year-old scenario is acceptable either--there is this thing called counseling, amongst many other alternatives to soothe pain--but that's vastly different from what I've mentioned.

Stairmaster
April 21st, 2010, 02:39 PM
So if a 12 is getting bullied non stop, and commits suicide it would be okay? just because someone is in pain doesn't mean they have the right to end there own life. Suicide is illegal, like euthanasia.

Also on the part about pain growing someone up was obviously not ment for someone who has already lived a long life, for they are already grown up. Please do not take things out of context. :D

Suicide may be technically illegal but in reality it's not since you can't convict a dead person of a crime.

Either way, suicide and euthanasia are completely different things. Suicide is caused by emotional factors, while people choose euthanasia for physical reasons.

Euthanasia is only meant to make someone's inevitable death less painful, not kill someone who has a decent chance at surviving and living a happy life.

Spinor
April 21st, 2010, 03:41 PM
A 12 year old going crazy over bullying is one thing. Because 12 year olds don't have the maturity to handle such things. And if they go as far to commit suicide the reality is they will forever be remembered as a selfish person who couldn't confront problems. That's how all teen suicides are.

As for Euthanasia cases, you know you're gonna die. Everybody does not want you to suffer. Euthanasia would be a completely different form of killing yourself where you end suffering for you right there, and shorten the suffering of the ones close to you. Technically, you do more good with euthanasia.

Ayselipera
April 21st, 2010, 09:07 PM
A 12 year old going crazy over bullying is one thing. Because 12 year olds don't have the maturity to handle such things. And if they go as far to commit suicide the reality is they will forever be remembered as a selfish person who couldn't confront problems. That's how all teen suicides are.

I don't agree with that at all. How can you say that they are selfish for committing suicide? If someone is in that much turmoil that they take their own life I can only feel sorrow for them. It's not like after one day of bullying they decide to kill themselves. This goes on for years for some children. Also think of how torn they'd be. They want to take their lives to end their misery, but at the same time the thoughts of how their family will miss them must tear them up too. It has never even in the slightest crossed my mind as a teen suicide being defined as someone who was selfish and couldn't confront their problems. If anything it should be someone who was pushed to their absolute limits.

Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 21st, 2010, 10:40 PM
So if a 12 is getting bullied non stop, and commits suicide it would be okay? just because someone is in pain doesn't mean they have the right to end there own life. Suicide is illegal, like euthanasia.

Also on the part about pain growing someone up was obviously not ment for someone who has already lived a long life, for they are already grown up. Please do not take things out of context. :D
You don't appear to know what you're even talking about. Regular suicide, non-consensual 'mercy' killing, and euthanasia are all different things.

Suicide, which is what you're describing, is a completely different subject and the fact that you're attempting to use that as an example makes you look completely foolish. That's emotional pain, not physical pain.

I associate the term "mercy killing" more as killing a person who is injured and likely to die anyways... like, say you're trapped in a desert with someone, with no food, water or medical supplies, and they break their legs and are in horrible pain, with no way to get help or move. Lets say you have a gun. They decide that a bullet to the head is probably better than staying there, starving and dehydrating, waiting for the wolves to come and eat them. They ask you to do it for them. That would be more "mercy killing" to me. More of an emergency thing.

Euthanasia would be more like cancer patients with no hope of recovery, or old people who are dying of old-person problems. I think it should be allowed. It's their life, and it's absolutely none of your business whether they live or die if that's the choice they make, especially when it's more a choice of "live for a few more horrible hours/days/months, then die" or "die now relatively painlessly".

People who are on life support and can't make a decision are more of a gray area. If they decided beforehand, then of course their decision should be respected. If it's up to the family, then they should decide whether there's really a good chance of them ever recovering.

tl;dr - It's no one's business but their own and they shouldn't be forced to suffer because of the beliefs of others.

Rairde
April 22nd, 2010, 01:26 AM
There will be a new HBO movie "You Don't Know Jack" that will be pretty interesting for anyone wondering about the life of Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

Throat
April 22nd, 2010, 02:08 AM
If the one to die is lucid and aware I think this person can decide wether he lives or not.

Yusshin
April 22nd, 2010, 03:36 AM
I agree with euthanasia as long as the person or animal has nil chances of survival. If someone is in constant pain and it's 100% certain that they're going to die (i.e. brain tumour; heart tumour; etc.), and they want you to "pull the plug", you should be permitted to do so. It's technically not suicide, since you're just dying slowly with no chances of survival.

If you can't afford a pet that becomes sick, or a human for that matter, than don't hav'em.

Åzurε
April 22nd, 2010, 07:30 AM
So, if a dying person makes a conscious decision to be euthanized(sp?), it's okay with me. In pets, if there's an unrealistic chance of recovery from an injury or condition, then that's okay too. Elsewise, I don't see why people would really utilize it.

Esper
April 22nd, 2010, 10:16 AM
I agree with euthanasia as long as the person or animal has nil chances of survival. If someone is in constant pain and it's 100% certain that they're going to die (i.e. brain tumour; heart tumour; etc.), and they want you to "pull the plug", you should be permitted to do so. It's technically not suicide, since you're just dying slowly with no chances of survival.
What you're describing sounds a bit more like a "do not resuscitate" order than euthanasia. Euthanasia is usually something that causes someone's death before they would naturally die of whatever is ailing them once they stopped treatment, which is probably why it's so controversial. Turning off life support and DNR orders are common enough and not illegal.

Reginaldvonburger
April 22nd, 2010, 10:26 AM
I don't think it should be put onto anyone else to kill another human. It's not fair on the doctors. If a person wants to die that much and can tell people that they want to die, they should make it so those people can get a pill from a doctor that can kill them. It's not fair for another person to have to go up and kill you.

Personally, I'm not against it, but nor am I for it. But it is another form of suicide, and unless you are dying and are in so much pain you physically cannot move, that is the only time it should be legal.

Yusshin
April 22nd, 2010, 10:33 AM
What you're describing sounds a bit more like a "do not resuscitate" order than euthanasia. Euthanasia is usually something that causes someone's death before they would naturally die of whatever is ailing them once they stopped treatment, which is probably why it's so controversial. Turning off life support and DNR orders are common enough and not illegal.

From what I know, turning off life support is illegal since it's like you kill the person :s

What I mean, though, is if someone's got a brain tumour and going to die anyway at 100% chance, and asks to be killed beforehand, I don't see why we should deny them that.

Sneeze
April 22nd, 2010, 01:17 PM
So if a 12 is getting bullied non stop, and commits suicide it would be okay? just because someone is in pain doesn't mean they have the right to end there own life. Suicide is illegal, like euthanasia.

Also on the part about pain growing someone up was obviously not ment for someone who has already lived a long life, for they are already grown up. Please do not take things out of context. :D

Why do things have to be so black and white? I certainly don't agree with euthanasia here but that's not to say its always bad, dying on terminal cancer or a tumour is a few leagues above being bullied, and besides, as mentioned, suicide =/= euthanasia. And when you don't clarify things initially people are going to take it out of context...

Lt_Nite
April 22nd, 2010, 01:28 PM
I am completely for it as long as the person consents (obviously) and have no hope of recovering and will be in more pain as their life goes on. If they are in so much pain and have no way to stop it or ease it other than death why not. Why make them suffer for whatever time they have left, and if they're old, the pain isn't going to help, "make them grow up." I don't think that type of pain will make a person "grow up."

Forever
April 27th, 2010, 09:33 PM
Those youths Asians are kind of out of control, yeah. I dunno I think we should just take away their televisions until they behave properly.

Although killing someone who is suffering is a nice idea. Then the people can live long lives in heaven.

Kavii
April 27th, 2010, 09:57 PM
From what I know, turning off life support is illegal since it's like you kill the person :s

What I mean, though, is if someone's got a brain tumour and going to die anyway at 100% chance, and asks to be killed beforehand, I don't see why we should deny them that.

Actually, what Scarf said is true and that turning off the life support is not necessarily illegal at all.

At least where I live, it is possible to have an official Do Not Resuscitate documentation (I actually have one) where the person who owns the document can ask that their lives not be continued by artificial means - life support, excess CPR, extremely risky but low low success rate surgery - should they be in a situation where death is imminent. In addition to the DNR, it is possible to also have a clause which states that they do not want to exist in a vegetative state if that is what the outcome would be.

So, let's say someone who has a DNR got into a near-fatal car accident. Let's also say that the best possible outcome is that they can only exist in a vegetative state with full life support. According to their wishes, it is quite possible that life support be removed/not given and the person be allowed to 'naturally die'.

The Corrupt Plague
April 27th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Yes, I am all for it. Whatever happened to dying with dignity? We can put down our pets to end their suffering when they are terminally ill and I think it's ridiculous that everyone is calling it murder if we do it to people when they consent to it. Which would you choose if you were in the final stages of something like cancer? Would you want to die slowly and painfully or would you prefer to die on the spot instantly? If I were in that situation, then I would choose Euthanasia and die painlessly.

Fxcking Tatertots
April 28th, 2010, 01:49 AM
If it's a severe case like someone in a vegetative state, then I think euthanasia may be a good idea. /INB4 Terri Schiavo (sp?)

Guillermo
April 28th, 2010, 02:02 AM
My teacher was asking us about this in english class, since we were reading mice, and men. Should Mercy killing be allowed? I for one think no one should be able take another persons life away, even if that person is suffering. Pain make a people grow up.
You're telling me that if you were in a vegetative state that you wouldn't want to be let go? I hardly believe that. Honestly, if that person wants to go, I see no problem with it. However, if you have no proof that they do indeed want to go and they never said so, you shouldn't have the right to end their life. Not to mention your whole, "pain makes people grow up" logic is failed. Sure, it makes you grow. It can also lead to severe depression or attempted suicide. On top of that, it's hard to grow when you're bound to a bed unable to move, isn't it?

Zet
April 28th, 2010, 02:08 AM
Real men take things head on! but in cases like vegetated states, this sort of stuff should be done. Why keep someone alive when they can't do anything for themselves and never will be able to again? Why let them continue to live in pain? You're just being selfish if you do.

RuRuBell
April 28th, 2010, 03:38 PM
I agree with it. I'd persoanlly hate to be clinging to life in a vegetative state...that's no way to live at all.

If the person is conscious, then I agree with that, too. Assuming they put some thought into it and it's not just some rash impulse, it's their life. A person's life is in their own hands, I don't think anyone else has a right to choose for them.
If their suffering is that great, it seems cruel (and a little selfish, really) to deny them.
We do it with pets, so I don't see why it's so terrible to do it to a person.

Anyway, I don't really think you can say it makes a person 'grow' until you've experienced their pain. And really, if I were in terminal pain, what do I care about growing? :S