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Bluerang1
April 26th, 2010, 10:45 AM
I was just wondering, and wondering what you guys think. I mean it's generally "Christ's" "Mas". Christ means Jesus Christ, and Mas means Carnival, celebration, remember, whatever, it should be a religious thing. And it is.

But why do Atheists, especially the ones who hate religion with a passion get to join in in out fun? They also suck out the meaning of this glorious time, same as Easter which hurts. I know they've been commercialised, Santa, Easter Bunny, but we created the Holiday. If you don;t respect us, don;t respect our Holidays.

I love/hate how Muslims get Eid to themselves, it's respected and that's that. Christians need more respect. Let the thoughts, begin:

PS. Would it also kill you not to use our time/day system ;) (Romans started that but used Jesus in that BC/AD...)

Arcanine1993
April 26th, 2010, 10:46 AM
FREE PRESENTS! no srsly it doesnt matter what religion you are its about family and being together im a atheist but I still celebrate christmas! Its about sharing and being kind just for one day!

I Laugh at your Misfortune!
April 26th, 2010, 10:49 AM
I think that christmas has positive values beyond the religious aspect. Nowadays, it's very much a kind of holiday for celebrating your family and all that. I don't mean to be disrespectful towards christians, but Christmas isn't really just their holiday anymore.

Of course, we could get into the argument about christmas day being the wroing day anyway, but, y'know :P

shookie
April 26th, 2010, 10:51 AM
To me, it's less of a religious holiday and more of a family-oriented holiday. Same with Easter.

I've never known Christmas to be a strictly religious holiday, and my dad's side of the family is a very strict Christian family. I grew up just knowing it as a time when families got together and exchanged gifts.

Reginaldvonburger
April 26th, 2010, 11:22 AM
Why do christians celebrate christmas? Jesus was born in summer. Christmas is originally a pagan festival.

A better question would be why do I, a LeVayan Satanist celebrate christmas? But, it is in the Satanic Bible to celebrate it, and well, who doesn't love presents, food, and being with the people closest to you.

Captain Fabio
April 26th, 2010, 11:31 AM
I can see this topic being closed in the near future.

Simple. It is the most expensive holiday of the year, where people believe in Santa who gives out presents. So meh.

piece of something
April 26th, 2010, 11:39 AM
meh more often than not i celebrate holidays first and ask questions later, don't even know why half the holidays are holidays but if it means i get to stay home it's all that matters~

as for atheists, maybe it's possible not to believe in religion, yet still believe in holidays? :P

Yusshin
April 26th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Jesus was born in the summertime... Religiously, it's the celebrate his birth, but it's come to be known as a festival to celebrate family, good food, and appreciating charity more than reception.

Anyone is valid to celebrate Christmas :] Even Muslims do, and it's not an official holiday for us.

Kauai
April 26th, 2010, 11:46 AM
Well first of all, December 25th was actually stolen by early Christians from numerous Egyptian and Pagan gods so the religion would be more palatable to them. Much of Christianity today is based off of their practices and tradition, combined and all. So your the ones that actually stole it in the first place. ;)

NarutoActor
April 26th, 2010, 12:09 PM
I think that christmas has positive values beyond the religious aspect. Nowadays, it's very much a kind of holiday for celebrating your family and all that. I don't mean to be disrespectful towards christians, but Christmas isn't really just their holiday anymore.

Of course, we could get into the argument about christmas day being the wrong day anyway, but, y'know :PThat was done on purpose. When pagans where converting they where still falling into there bad habits, and celebrating pagan holidays. So they replaced a pagan holiday with Christmas. But Jesus birth was more so in the warmer months.

This shows the best way to get rid of a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.

Kauai
April 26th, 2010, 12:14 PM
That was done on purpose. When pagans where converting they where still falling into there bad habits, and celebrating pagan holidays. So they replaced a pagan holiday with Christmas. But Jesus birth was more so in the warmer months.

This shows the best way to get rid of a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.

Define 'bad habits' and the context in which you are using it.

I'm Agnostic myself, but certainly the 'bad habits' part is only from a Christian perspective.

Jordan
April 26th, 2010, 12:19 PM
Jesus was born in the summertime... Religiously, it's the celebrate his birth, but it's come to be known as a festival to celebrate family, good food, and appreciating charity more than reception.

Anyone is valid to celebrate Christmas :] Even Muslims do, and it's not an official holiday for us.Summer time for whom?

I think the reason why atheists and other non-Christians celebrate Christmas is as plain and simple as it gets: because they can. It's a federal holiday, which means (for most countries that have it), it's a secular holiday.

Åzurε
April 26th, 2010, 12:21 PM
It's mainly a secular holiday these days, anyhow. It started as a winter festival when [fuzzy memories] the Holy Roman Empire began converting the natives of what is now the UK, and they took it and made into a memorial day for Christ's birth.[/Fuzzy memories]

I'm okay with this, we do it our way. It's useless for atheists to try and participate in the religious aspect of it, isn't it?

EDIT: ninja'd by Jordan up there. >=/

donavannj-
April 26th, 2010, 12:23 PM
If memory serves, Christmas's and Easter's traditional dates were actually placed on pagan celebration days to attract more pagan Europeans to Christianity back in the medieval era (there were very few true Christians at that time). So, technically, Christians were the ones who stole the holiday by placing them on the same day as pagan celebrations.

Renege
April 26th, 2010, 12:50 PM
Because they want to be with their family?

Free stuff, would you not want free gifts? :D

Throat
April 26th, 2010, 12:51 PM
For the same reason everyone does: eat, drink and gather the family (surely not everyone does so).

Porygon-Z
April 26th, 2010, 12:57 PM
For the presents...they don't even have to go to midnight mass!!
>_>

UndertakerFreak1127
April 26th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Here's another religious person trying to classify atheists.


I celebrate the day, not the meaning. There's a difference.

And what do you mean by sucking the fun and meaning out of everything by disrespecting your religion? Why must you assume atheists are all disrespectful towards your religion? I respect religion, but it doesn't mean I partake in it.

People seriously assume too much for their own good here.

FaithInMe
April 26th, 2010, 01:00 PM
That was done on purpose. When pagans where converting they where still falling into there bad habits, and celebrating pagan holidays. So they replaced a pagan holiday with Christmas. But Jesus birth was more so in the warmer months.

This shows the best way to get rid of a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.


OT:
Their "bad habits" served them well for a long time before christianity even came about.
I didnt know taking away personal choice and someone elses culture would be considered a "good habit" either.

Also the pagans didnt convert, they were forced into it or killed.
Similar to that of the witch hunts... oh how sexist of religion, we cant have any freethinking women around :/


In other news, I dont really celebrate xmas that much anyway, I just get a few days off work around that time of year. So the whole thing means pretty much nothing to me.

Gold warehouse
April 26th, 2010, 01:06 PM
I don't know. It's no more of a Christian holiday than it is a capitalist holiday. I am an atheist and I don't celebrate Christmas.
Although it's more of a social thing now, if everyone around you is sharing gifts, decorating, etc. then you're going to join in regardless of your beliefs.

icomeanon6
April 26th, 2010, 01:13 PM
Even before Christianity came around, people in Europe celebrated the Winter Solstice. Christians decided to position one of their favorite holy days around that time because it was already such a fun celebration. It doesn't bother me that Atheists celebrate Christmas. If they want to celebrate a version of the holiday minus the additional historical and spiritual meaning that was added after the fact, that's no skin off my nose.

Similar to that of the witch hunts... oh how sexist of religion, we cant have any freethinking women around :/You're sort of missing the point there. Witch-burning wasn't about women, it was about satanism. There were plenty of male witches burned too. Also, you can't just criticize "religion" because of mistakes the Christian churches made hundreds and hundreds of years ago. That's like saying that "political parties" are evil because of what the Nazis did.

Code
April 26th, 2010, 01:24 PM
I was just wondering, and wondering what you guys think. I mean it's generally "Christ's" "Mas". Christ means Jesus Christ, and Mas means Carnival, celebration, remember, whatever, it should be a religious thing. And it is.

But why do Atheists, especially the ones who hate religion with a passion get to join in in out fun? They also suck out the meaning of this glorious time, same as Easter which hurts. I know they've been commercialised, Santa, Easter Bunny, but we created the Holiday.
I don't like that Atheists use Christmas as a holiday, but what are you gonna do? The whole meaning has been washed away by a flood of advertisement and products from people who want to take advantage of this holy time. Any excuse to get out of work and/or receive presents is a good excuse that few people would say no to.
One could say that "Oh this holy time is something glorious that is to be shared by all!" but one could also say "Not religious? Screw you if you try to take advantage of religious holidays."
XD
And on the note; "We created the holiday" I don't believe this is true. I have never really good in history, but I think that when the countries of old were converted to Christianity, the holidays were most often around the time of the previous religions holidays. This was so that the people didn't need to get used to any drastic changes when a new religion was introduced.
Still, it celebrates the birth of Christ and all that, but the time of year is a reflection of old religions, if I am not mistaken. This is probably why there are alot of religions with holidays at that time of year.
If you don;t respect us, don;t respect our Holidays.
I think you worded that a little wrong....?
They should respect both, but if they just respect 1, that's close enough, right? XD

Bluerang1
April 26th, 2010, 01:33 PM
I respect religion, but it doesn't mean I partake in it.
Ha. Your previous signature said otherwise. And in fact, that part was directed at you, because of your signature.

And yes, we "stole" the time of year, but who started the whole "family" "gifts" togetherness" thing? And Jesus was in fact born in the Spring. He was conceived in the 8th month, which is August. 9 months along will be April, same month he died, and season Spring. Although, July and August may not have been added yet at that time.

Thanks fo your input Code :D And also to to others ;)

RuRuBell
April 26th, 2010, 02:33 PM
Originally, my parents let us celebrate it so that my sister and I didn't feel left out when all the white kids at school started talking about all the presents they received.

But I do agree with you, somewhat (I would've phrased it differently, though...). If I have a kid myself, I don't think I would celebrate religious holidays. If s/he wants to become convert to a religion later on and celebrate its holidays, though, that's fine with me.

And if it makes you feel better, I use BCE and CE.

institutions
April 26th, 2010, 02:48 PM
Not only because I like gifts, but I (for the most part) respect people's religions.
Nah, that's not right. I don't.
I honestly don't know why I celebrate it.
Probably just for the presents.
Also, my family doesn't know i'm an atheist. I've told them, but they are the religious types that can't get anything that doesn't fit in with their religion through their thick skulls. It's most likely since they're Republicans.
Kidding :P (Not really, don't bite my head off.)
We also live in the south, and most people know what southerners are like.

Kung Fu Quagsire!
April 26th, 2010, 02:53 PM
I celebrate it because I was raised that way. A lot of my family are Anglican, including my mother, so I've always celebrated it and Easter, even if I'm not a member of the religion. Like people have said, I also celebrate it for the family aspects, being together with members of the family I rarely see and all that. :3

Yusshin
April 26th, 2010, 03:00 PM
Summer time for whom?

It's been confirmed that Jesus' birthday was somewhere between March and June - not December.

S'all.

But as said, Christmas is for everyone! To spread good cheer, get together, have family time. Christmas religiously is to celebrate the birth of Christ (even if the date is wrong); Christmas to the modern society is to celebrate family and giving gifts. To the companies, it's a moneyfest.

Hamilton
April 27th, 2010, 05:20 PM
Here's another religious person trying to classify atheists.


I celebrate the day, not the meaning. There's a difference.

And what do you mean by sucking the fun and meaning out of everything by disrespecting your religion? Why must you assume atheists are all disrespectful towards your religion? I respect religion, but it doesn't mean I partake in it.

People seriously assume too much for their own good here.

uh, not really- it's a curious person wanting to broaden their views- and seeing your previous signature- ahem let's see was it-
Religion is Evil?
religion will kill us all?
yes major respect- no- you're just another backwards atheist trying to classify all religion- someone who is completely intolerant towards everyone that doesn't believe the exact same thing they do- what you need to learn is tolerance- you don't have to like religion, but don't go spreading bias hate speech- it makes you seem uneducated-
AS FOR THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND
i think it's just because it's more a time for family now

Yusshin
April 27th, 2010, 05:24 PM
The correct signature was:

"Religion is the Root of all Evil"

Quite terrible and backwards indeed

Exactly D; It's just family time, good food, and presents for everyday people. Most religious individuals just like the spirit of giving, since God gave Jesus as a prophet to the world. One of the nicest gifts, I'd say.

institutions
April 27th, 2010, 05:37 PM
Religion might not be the root of all evil, but it sure is the root of most.



uh, not really- it's a curious person wanting to broaden their views- and seeing your previous signature- ahem let's see was it-
Religion is Evil?
religion will kill us all?
yes major respect- no- you're just another backwards atheist trying to classify all religion- someone who is completely intolerant towards everyone that doesn't believe the exact same thing they do- what you need to learn is tolerance- you don't have to like religion, but don't go spreading bias hate speech- it makes you seem uneducated-
AS FOR THE SUBJECT MATTER AT HAND
i think it's just because it's more a time for family now

Kind of like the Crusades, where tons of people of different faiths were killed, for that exact reason?
Aren't Christians intolerant toward people that don't believe what they do, telling them they will burn in hell?

Let's not take this too far, I'd hate for the thread to be closed because of it.

Yusshin
April 27th, 2010, 05:43 PM
Actually, why would religion be evil, when it teaches good morals and values?

It is the people who use religion badly who are bad. The text itself doesn't cause hatred or evil things. It's the people who try to benefit and control other humans with it that are the evil ones. People who editted religions, like Christianity, to their own benefit are evil (in this case, the Roman committee hundreds of years ago). Not religion.

As said, Christmas has become a national holiday even for the non-religious. I don't see why atheists can't take advantage of it to have friendly, family time, too.

Hamilton
April 27th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Actually, why would religion be evil, when it teaches good morals and values?

It is the people who use religion badly who are bad. The text itself doesn't cause hatred or evil things. It's the people who try to benefit and control other humans with it that are the evil ones. People who editted religions, like Christianity, to their own benefit are evil (in this case, the Roman committee hundreds of years ago). Not religion.

As said, Christmas has become a national holiday even for the non-religious. I don't see why atheists can't take advantage of it to have friendly, family time, too.

or like the Westborough Baptist Church in Kansas- people are evil- not religion

Forever
April 27th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Cause they think Santa is hot, obv. If not him, then the reindeers. It's all simple really.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™
April 28th, 2010, 04:18 AM
It's because they've done careful calculations and determined that the value of gifts received exceeds their gift expenditures, therefore making Christmas financially profitable.

And it should be noted that though I am "Christian" I barely celebrated Christmas last year. My parents woke me up early, I quickly opened the few presents I had, then promptly went back to sleep until about 6PM.

Guillermo
April 28th, 2010, 04:38 AM
Christmas is no longer about religion.

ReyRey-Pyon
April 28th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Christmas is a pagan holiday anyways but w/e slkfsdkfjlsd



I'm christian, but i hardly celebrate christmas for religious purposes ;<

I like toys and decorating and food :'D

Pokeyomom
April 28th, 2010, 10:32 AM
Because we are heathenistic bastards that love agonizing people by jumping in on their holidays.

FreakyLocz14
April 28th, 2010, 12:20 PM
Christmas is the day to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. It's a free country so atheists can do whatever they wish but imo if an atheist celebrates Christmas they aren't a true atheist.

Yusshin
April 28th, 2010, 12:27 PM
I beg to differ. Atheists don't even think about Jesus, and they sure as Hell aren't celebrating his birth on Christmas day.

They celebrate Christmas for presents, family time, and other things. Again, Christmas has become a national holiday celebrating giving and family time. To every citizen, it is now a family-based holiday.

An atheist's intention for Christmas isn't to celebrate Jesus at all. It's to celebrate family. If the intention to not celebrate Jesus is there, then yes, they are still atheists, and you can't say "they aren't atheists at all" because they don't give a rat's ass about Jesus lol just family and presents.

FreakyLocz14
April 28th, 2010, 12:30 PM
I understand atheists aren't think about Jesus but it is still a Christian holiday so they are giving into a Christian tradition to a degree.

Yusshin
April 28th, 2010, 12:35 PM
To a degree, but not to the Christian faith or the Christian purpose. As said, atheists don't care about religion or Jesus. They just want family time, presents, and an excuse off of work.

:]

FreakyLocz14
April 28th, 2010, 03:28 PM
To a degree, but not to the Christian faith or the Christian purpose. As said, atheists don't care about religion or Jesus. They just want family time, presents, and an excuse off of work.

:]

Well everyone has work off regardless of their religion or lack of religion.

Yusshin
April 28th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Well everyone has work off regardless of their religion or lack of religion.

Yup, because it's a national holiday. If the holiday was as hardcore to its religious roots as some here seem to desire, then they wouldn't have the right off of work at all. Religious people could yell that it's to celebrate Jesus, and atheists should have no part. Of course, now there's the excuse for family time :P so they become just as part of Christmas as the religious individuals.

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Yamikarasu
April 28th, 2010, 06:46 PM
I loled at this thread. I celebrate it because the rest of my non-atheist family does, and because I do enjoy giving and receiving presents. What, do I have to believe in god to spend time to appreciate my friends and family? I suppose when I move out I'll just change the date to the winter solstice since Christians are apparently so offended (is it just a coincidence that they are so close together?). But seriously, is Christmas really a Christian holiday anymore, at least how it's celebrated in the U.S.? It's more like Capitalism Day.

Bluerang1
April 29th, 2010, 04:36 AM
Because we are heathenistic bastards that love agonizing people by jumping in on their holidays.
Amen to that LOL Anyway, yeah, I guess there's nothing we can do about it. It just doesn't seem fair, as some either just detest Reiligion or don't even know about the "Christ" part in Christmas. Maybe they just say "Xmas" :D

FaithInMe
April 29th, 2010, 04:51 AM
I personally do use the term 'xmas'.
It would seem inappropriate of me, an atheist, to use 'christmas'.
I still, however, dont see how Christianity decided it was best for everyone regardless of how well they got along beforehand.
Who decided that it was the right religion, and that EVERYONE should follow it or be condemned to 'hell' for all eternity?
The romans, I believe it was, changed to Christianity as a diplomatic move more than anything to do with a change of faith, to keep control of the public after Jesus went and stirred s*** up. (cant remember the emporers name who made the call) it was after the crucifixion sometime if memory serves me correctly.
Thats the worst part about Christianity for me, the fact that it was forced on people, regardless, and still is (to an extent) today.
People have the right to free choice.
Not to mention the fact that all you preach is morals and good values and so on, but your religion has done nothing but cause bloodshed for hundreds of years for one reason or another (however weakly justified the reasons were).

Just my opinion. It was a little offtopic, and for that I apologise.

Åzurε
April 29th, 2010, 08:03 AM
Who decided that it was the right religion, and that EVERYONE should follow it or be condemned to 'hell' for all eternity?
A: God. ;)


Thats the worst part about Christianity for me, the fact that it was forced on people, regardless, and still is (to an extent) today.
People have the right to free choice.
I take issue with this little section, but it would take too long for an off topic post.

Not to mention the fact that all you preach is morals and good values and so on, but your religion has done nothing but cause bloodshed for hundreds of years for one reason or another.
Uh, no. The Crusades happened, Hitler happened, but even if they claimed to be Christians, I seriously doubt they were. Maybe there were patriotic soldiers who couldn't read the Bible themselves, but this all happened because of the leaders and for their personal gain. "Religion isn't evil, people are". Not to mention that all religions tend to have extremists doing awful things in their name.
Also, charity and voluntary community service.

FreakyLocz14
April 29th, 2010, 08:23 AM
It is not intolerant to say that people who do not believe in a certain religion will go to some sort of "Hell" in an afterlife (if one does exist). The religion has taught that for centuries if not milleniums we can't expect people to change those teachings for our convenience. If you don't like the teachings, don't practice that religion. I wouldn't even say Westboro is evil, perhaps misguided but they have every right to have their pickets and spread their message since I don't agree with their message, I simply did not join their church.

Nobody is forced to be Christian anymore. Families will instill beliefs on their children whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, or Atheist, or whatever. When the child becomes an adult they can make their own decision on what belief system to follow.

Kobold Asylum
April 29th, 2010, 08:24 AM
Its for the free stuff. The presents, the presents and maybe some presents. Why do you suppose christianity grew so fast. Because you get presents on christmas.

Eternal Nightmare
April 29th, 2010, 10:31 AM
Wooh wooh all atheists are not rebels and hate religion with a burning passion. I am an atheist but I respect everyones religious beliefs even if its notwhat I believe. That aside, someone here already said that most members of a family have beliefs and they try to rub those beliefs off onto there children. When older we can choose what's reality and what's not so everyone is free to choose their own beliefs. If one believes that Christmas is Jesus' birthday then they can believe that but if someone sees it as a day to spend time with lpved ones then they are free to believe that as well. Christmas to me is about family and just being there with your loved ones. Really, I could care less if there is some deeper meaning to it so basically anyone of any religion can celebrate a day such as Christmas.

FaithInMe
April 29th, 2010, 12:43 PM
Uh, no. The Crusades happened, Hitler happened, but even if they claimed to be Christians, I seriously doubt they were. Maybe there were patriotic soldiers who couldn't read the Bible themselves, but this all happened because of the leaders and for their personal gain. "Religion isn't evil, people are". Not to mention that all religions tend to have extremists doing awful things in their name.
Also, charity and voluntary community service.


Uhhh.. The crusades and witchhunts, all in the name of religion. Authorised by those in religious power at the time. The witchhunts were all about knocking off all the "satanists"... bit of a poor reason for my liking but anyway.
Hitler, yeah he was an extremist, Ill grant that.
Its happened with EVERY religion though, thats ever been around. As long as there has been religion, there has been bloodshed in its name. Im not saying religion is evil, Ive said in another thread that Im an atheist studying theology. Im fairly tolerant.

One final thing then no more posts for me in here.
You said god decided that christianity was the religion that everyone should follow.
It just doesnt seem logical to me. An invisible entity, that nobody will ever lay eyes on, gave this order?
For all we know, jesus was just a s*** stirrer and wanted to screw with earths people by trying to introduce something new and got his just desserts ;)

Kon~
April 29th, 2010, 01:03 PM
I've been dithering about whether to post here or not (being atheistic myself) but... perhaps this (http://www.timminchin.com/2007/12/24/christmas-07-the-yuletide-blog/) could shed some light on the subject? (Language warning - view at own discrepancy)

EDIT: Yeah, all you guys arguing about where Christmas came from and who Santa actually is, that link there provides all the answers. So shush.

As for myself... Christmas is a commercial holiday. I do my best to avoid such a thing, i.e. for Christmas this year, all my friends got a cookie. That's right. Hand-baked cookies because
a. I didn't want to go out and buy presents at ridiculous prices for fifteen people and
b. I couldn't afford to go out and buy presents at ridiculous prices for fifteen people.

I see Christmas as time off school, gatherings with family and watching TV specials, all the while eating huge quantities of chocolate.
I don't see it as anything religious. Not now, not ever.

shot571
April 29th, 2010, 01:18 PM
some for presents. some for the festive atmosphere.(guesses) and dude we get 1 day off for eid which true say no one else does. but you get 2 weeks off for christmas although ill admit muslims do too.

Code
April 29th, 2010, 01:40 PM
Aren't Christians intolerant toward people that don't believe what they do, telling them they will burn in hell?
I'd like to say "Lolwut?!" right here, but there is no part in there that makes me lol....So I'll just go on and say; "Wut?!"
This little thing that you believe....that Christians are intolerant?! I am VERY tolerant! Even though you are an Atheist, I don't think you are going to hell! I don't think people who believe in other things go to hell! Anybody can believe what they want, but it's they're actions say whether or not they are going to hell.

Okay? Good. =D

I was actually born the 24th December, ya know....XD
Even though it sounds like I get more presents that way, I actually get less compared to what my other family members get with Christmas and birthdays combined.
It's teh time fer them joys! XD
It's called family, it's like no Christian I know has heard of that. :/

Excuse me, but do I know you? If not, the carry on.....

Luck
April 29th, 2010, 01:42 PM
It's called family, it's like no Christian I know has heard of that. :/

Gary, the Magic Fairy
April 29th, 2010, 02:09 PM
But why do Atheists, especially the ones who hate religion with a passion get to join in in out fun? They also suck out the meaning of this glorious time, same as Easter which hurts. I know they've been commercialised, Santa, Easter Bunny, but we created the Holiday. If you don;t respect us, don;t respect our Holidays.I thought everyone knew Christmas just borrowed bits and pieces from Pagan and other pre-Christian celebrations. Claiming Christians should be the only ones to celebrate it is ridiculous, especially considering its origins. Hell, they should be the last ones celebrating it.
I'd like to say "Lolwut?!" right here, but there is no part in there that makes me lol....So I'll just go on and say; "Wut?!"
This little thing that you believe....that Christians are intolerant?! I am VERY tolerant! Even though you are an Atheist, I don't think you are going to hell! I don't think people who believe in other things go to hell! Anybody can believe what they want, but it's they're actions say whether or not they are going to hell.
Uh... that's one of the core beliefs of Christianity, so you might want to rethink something there. John 3:16, ever heard of it?

Fxcking Tatertots
April 29th, 2010, 02:12 PM
Strange and amusing topic.
I celebrate Christmas, even though I'm *supposed* to be Catholic [but I'm agnostic, woohoo!]. There's no difference whether a person is Christian or not.

Illekn
April 29th, 2010, 06:23 PM
Here is what the question should really be:

Why do religious people get so upset that theist people celebrate Christmas? They don't own the day. Its basically asking this: Why do Americans believe in Santa Claus? He is a Dutch ideal after all...