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Muffin™
May 5th, 2010, 04:55 PM
"ZOMG LOL BFF U R LIEK, SO TOTALLY KEWL!!! I LOVE YOU <333333333 LKOOZKOAJUSDGTYFDSVYTWVDCYTWCDYTWGCDgCVGYCDTWDWYTCD RANDOM LETERZ...OH I GOTZ TO GOEZ SE YA L8ER!!!!11!"


...are exposed to too much adult related stuff & txting. Oh? And did I mention that the fact that 30/100 kids in the U.S. are obese? And kids are getting exposed to weapons and violence, sex, ect. on TV? And addictions to stuff?

tl;dr kids in this generation are not going to become very good at stuff.


EDIT: Did I forget to mention bullying???

Forever
May 5th, 2010, 04:58 PM
tl;dr kids in this generation are not going to become very good at stuff.

..the irony.

Yes, kids these days are doomed. I feel sorry for them.

shookie
May 5th, 2010, 05:04 PM
Think about what things were like 50-100 years ago. People said the same thing about later generations.

Izanagi
May 5th, 2010, 05:08 PM
This generation is pretty terrible. From a Christian perspective, it's actually sickening. So much immorality, and no one cares.

Kenpari
May 5th, 2010, 05:10 PM
Every generation looks down upon the next generation. If I went to my grandpa he'd curse everybody after him because of their rock music, pot, sex, etc.

I do agree for the most part though. I've never sent one text in my life, and haven't even owned a cell phone. I see the use of one but never really saw a point in me getting one.

Lucy Lu
May 5th, 2010, 05:17 PM
Yeah I been noticing that. I seen eight to twelve year olds with cellphones now. It is insane! When I was ten I didn't have that. And they got iPod Touch and all that stuff. And it seems some of this generation as gotten lazy as well. Childhood obesity is on the rise. But something is done with that. Hopefully it will get it under control.

I swear this generation has changed.

The Cynic
May 5th, 2010, 10:32 PM
I disagree, young people get such a hard time. In the UK, young people are portrayed by the media as hoodie-wearing, uneducated, knife-carrying thugs. We don't really give young people a chance, except of course when it comes to exam time. Then the younger folks all study very hard and get good grades. But what will you find on TV and in newspapers just after exams is a load of condascending journalists and reporters who say "Oh but exams are getting easier". Yes, exams are slightly easier than the days where your exams consisted of slaying a dragon, but did it never cross your mind that in the information age, perhaps kids are a little smarter than you were at the time? This is what it boils down to. People condemn and stereotype the youth because the youth of today are more knowledgable of the world and it scares some older members of society.

Aureol
May 5th, 2010, 10:39 PM
Every generation brings new worries. While I don't like what this generation is bringing, we managed to survive so far, so if not everything goes our way, it might not be the end of the world.

Yusshin
May 5th, 2010, 10:44 PM
I see 12-year-olds wearing thongs, 8-year-olds with cellphones, and 4-year-olds singing about sex, ****s, and killing people.

I would dub this generation to be the beginning of the end of society :| It's just going to keep getting worse from here on in.

Jolene
May 5th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Eww, you're all turning into grumpy old people. Ewwwwwww...

Guillermo
May 5th, 2010, 11:36 PM
Eww, you're all turning into grumpy old people. Ewwwwwww...
Hate to break it to you, but Jolene is right.

Sure, kids are becoming worse. A lot of them have no respect. But I ask you: Why are you winging about it? Really, what's it going to do? Kids do kid things, and really everything that's been mentioned in this thread is a stereotype. A lot of kids are good, a few of my friends, for example. They're respectful, smart, well-educated and incredibly honest. Then you have those knife-weilding kids, druggies and alcoholics all before the age of 16. Don't call them names, and don't call them pathetic. If you do, you're no better than them. Every generation has screwed up people in it, always has. No generation is perfect. Live with it.

curiousnathan
May 6th, 2010, 01:24 AM
Well I am young myself, but I have been brought up to be respectful, kind and well mannered; actually i consider myslef as lucky. But actually really is Gen Y doomed? It isn't our fault, what time do poeple promote things such as sex,drugs and violence on TV. Too early, escpecially considering that only young children will be watching TV at 7.00 +.
Kids learn from experiences, and other people. Mostly thier parents and the people who they are most exposed to; family and friends. Not to boast, but I am a Gen Y kid and I am one of the brightest students. I strive to be the best and with a positive spirit can rub off on people.
School often try thier best to help the troubled youth, but some people will not cope while others will. But the ones we must repect are the people who are coping, and are willing to help others.

General Bravo
May 6th, 2010, 02:18 AM
If society is doomed, this'll only be one factor. Not to mention people have been saying "the new generation sucks" for most of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Katie_Q
May 6th, 2010, 02:20 AM
I would dub this generation to be the beginning of the end of society :| It's just going to keep getting worse from here on in.

Wow. Go the negativity. You made it kind of sound like the worlds going to end or something.

Every generation has kids that are a bit screwed in the head. Every gen. also has a bunch of good kids. That includes this gen.
If you people are so worried, just make sure you raise your kid right, because probably half of those screwed up people, have abusive families (emotionally and physically), are exposed to violent/sexual movies, grow up with drugs, or disrespectful parents etc. But, theres still a whole load of kids who are just being kids.

Danikamakaze
May 6th, 2010, 02:25 AM
Yeah I been noticing that. I seen eight to twelve year olds with cellphones now. It is insane! When I was ten I didn't have that. And they got iPod Touch and all that stuff. And it seems some of this generation as gotten lazy as well. Childhood obesity is on the rise. But something is done with that. Hopefully it will get it under control.

I swear this generation has changed.

My recently-turned 12 year old nephew has a $400 cell phone on a $70 a month plan.
A 32 gig Ipod Touch, a PS3 and roughly 30 games.
And because recently I got a moderately small LCD for my bedroom (small as in 19")
He goes to his Mum (my sister) "I WANT A TV FOR MY ROOM, CAN I GET ONE? HOW MUCH WAS IT DANDAN?" and I swear if he kept at it he would be blasting off just like Team Rocket always does >_>

curiousnathan
May 6th, 2010, 02:27 AM
What is with the negativity everyone, it sounds like most people have already given up. It is not over yet.

- I sound like it is a game, but it's not. However, if it was then lets just say we wouldn't be winning.

Guillermo
May 6th, 2010, 03:23 AM
My recently-turned 12 year old nephew has a $400 cell phone on a $70 a month plan.
A 32 gig Ipod Touch, a PS3 and roughly 30 games.
And because recently I got a moderately small LCD for my bedroom (small as in 19")
He goes to his Mum (my sister) "I WANT A TV FOR MY ROOM, CAN I GET ONE? HOW MUCH WAS IT DANDAN?" and I swear if he kept at it he would be blasting off just like Team Rocket always does >_>
And that makes him any less of a person, how? Really, what the hell. Why are you basing who people are off of their possessions? Because someone owns a crapload of things, does that define who he or she is? Really?

FaithInMe
May 6th, 2010, 04:38 AM
Eww, you're all turning into grumpy old people. Ewwwwwww...

^ The only post in this thread I actually like.
Most of you that are commenting on this are only kids yourselves.
What right do you have to social commentary?

As far as fat kids go, thats the parents fault more than anything. Put your damn kids on a diet and make them play some actual sport instead of wii sport. Its not hard. Physical activity never really did any permanent damage to anyone.

The rest of it makes no difference to anyone else surely, what people do, regardless of their age is more or less personal choice.
Ive said it before, and Ill say it again.
The only difference between them and you is, they dont care what you do.
You can sit around and preach morality and "good behaviour" all day, and they'll sit there and listen.
As far as anything they might have to say to you though, completely shut off.
Narrow mindedness is, in my opinion, whats killing society. Not a handful of kids in every city doing as they please.

Guillermo
May 6th, 2010, 05:11 AM
Most of you that are commenting on this are only kids yourselves.
What right do you have to social commentary?
Oh, you did not just go there. :x

You're actually telling us what we have the right and what we don't have the right to do? What, because you're 21 you have the right to tell other people that are younger than you what to do? No, you do not. Get lost.

perfectmonster
May 6th, 2010, 05:24 AM
Most of you that are commenting on this are only kids yourselves.
What right do you have to social commentary?

Hey, hey, hey, WHAT THE HELL MAN? We have all the right seeing as we make up the future. Just cause you're a big 21 year old boy now and you have a shiny car doesn't mean you have the right to diss us. What makes you so much better than childeren. It is so funny that your childeren are gonna choose your retirement home.

Amaruuk
May 6th, 2010, 05:35 AM
I kinda go two ways on this.

On one hand I hate all the drama-filled crap that's being ingrained into kids' brains (adults too, for that matter). I also disapprove of all this spoiling that's going on (but I suppose it can't be that much more common than before). Little kids that are probably too young to be responsible with expensive equipment like laptops and iPhones and whatnot getting them anyway kind of scares me. Personally I think it's this generation of parents and the media that are 'at fault' moreso than the kids themselves.

On the other hand, like The Cynic said of old people, I'm admittedly a bit intimidated by the new batch of kids. Ever since I was a teen I've noticed the steady rise of what kids are able to do (largely thanks to the internet), and I feel like I'm quickly going to become obsolete once these people become adults with all this stuff already under their belts.

RTHookers
May 6th, 2010, 05:53 AM
Sooner or later all of the kids will be exposed to porn, sex, and other crap.
Myself? I never blended too much with the society today. Most people that look like bullies treat me fine in school, but it's not like that I chat with them daily. (New school)
I remember how much I was enjoying choppin' pep's heads off at the mall in Vice City to collect money to get houses. (lolgrindinglol)
And the sooner you'll be exposed to sex the better, although not too early.
All teens WILL drink alchohol and friends. (fiends IYO) Myself included, I don't drink too much, but I'll mix it with cola or fanta or something. Mixing it with energy drinks are even less healthy.
Oh, and that quote? Girly quote. Only girls can talk about crap like that. (Justin Bieber included.)

tl;dr? READ THIS YA LAZY BUTT.

And some teens have sex at those ages, 15-16 is the average, while 13-14 girls are *****s for the young. (Free sex, young girls. *M.Bison "Yes!" here*)

Amaruuk
May 6th, 2010, 08:27 AM
All teens WILL drink alchohol and friends.

Grammatical issues aside, this statement is (fortunately) false. For one thing, I never touched alcohol when I was a teen nor do I now even though I can legally (and I don't intend to, either; the stuff's pointless IMO). Many of my friends are non-drinkers, too. In any case, one does not need examples to know that a catch-all statement like that is clearly a fallacy :/ You can't go assuming something is true of everyone just 'cause a lot of people do it.

Aureol
May 6th, 2010, 08:33 AM
Actually, I take back what I said. Some of the posts here have caused me to worry greatly for the future (not pointing any fingers >_>). And just because we're still around doesn't mean we live in an ideal situation. When I have kids, they are going to be very different from what I predict a fair portion of the world to be.

Gary, the Magic Fairy
May 6th, 2010, 08:41 AM
I personally think people should shut up about what's wrong with kids and find a hobby, but that's just me.

...are exposed to too much adult related stuff & txting.Texting hurts no one, get off your high horse.
Oh? And did I mention that the fact that 30/100 kids in the U.S. are obese?Well, like 90/100 kids in Third World African countries are dying of AIDS and starving, so I guess we're not doing too bad :D
And kids are getting exposed to weapons and violence, sex, ect. on TV?>Implying violence, sex and etc. haven't always been around.
And addictions to stuff?>Implying addictions are a new thing also.

Everyone thinks something is wrong with the next generation. At least global warming will keep that from happening to us. :D

Porygon-Z
May 6th, 2010, 08:42 AM
Seeing kids today makes me hope the world really does end in 2012.

The spelling these days is atrocious, nobody has any manners so it's no wonder kids don't respect their elders!

Just yesterday a kid walked right out in front of my car and didn't even look!! I had to break really hard, but he just kept on walking! Little ****!

Also kids swearing! When I was a kid I would have had hell to pay if I'd swore like the kids go around swearing today!

Jesus wept.


Texting hurts no one, get off your high horse.


No but kids these days sit and text at the dinner table. It's so rude. They do nothing but text one another all day long. Having said that I know adults who are glued to their phones and I think it's a disgrace.

Why not call someone up instead of texting? This is why conversation is a dying art amongst kids today.

Fox♠
May 6th, 2010, 08:44 AM
I see 12-year-olds wearing thongs, 8-year-olds with cellphones, and 4-year-olds singing about sex, ****s, and killing people.

I would dub this generation to be the beginning of the end of society :| It's just going to keep getting worse from here on in.

How would you of seen 12 year olds wearing thongs? :S Even if they are, that's OUR and our previous generations fault, as the parents of these kids and the generation who promoted selling yourself as a good thing.

I can see both sides of the argument; I spend a lot of time in bars and pubs so most of the people i see on a day to day basis are a fair bit older than me, and they're always whinging about how when they were kids they'd go tree climbing and stuff. But really, they only done that because they didnt have Playstations and the internet and whatever back then. The real reason we're condeming these kids is because we're jealous that we didn't have that much freedom or werent that spoiled. However, I am worried about the future generation of the UK. Thanks to our Government systematically ruining our country, values, ethics and world standing point and landing us in ridiclious debt with a dwindling health service, out of control schools and an under equipped military, I really feel for the next generation. Breaking the workshy "its ok to get pregnant at 14 and never work you can live off of welfare" mindset that Labour has pushed on our youth is gonna be hard.

Amaruuk
May 6th, 2010, 09:21 AM
Yeah, I almost forgot about texting and English fail, although that's definitely not limited to kids. People from my generation are rude and text all the time, including in class and while driving (hell, my dad talks/texts while driving, and he's 51!). Personally I hate texting and think it's pointless when you can just call a person. It's easier to understand a voice (and faster) than back-and-forth little truncated messages.

Literacy is going downhill, too. I've seen essays at my college written with atrocious grammar/spelling and even chatspeak! I see people from kids to young adults on the internet who can't write a coherent sentence or spell anything right to save their lives, and these aren't the 'English is my second language, sorry! ^.^;;' people (who at least are trying, and English is really tough as a second language), these are people native to English-speaking countries that for some reason think they are communicating by typing incomprehensible nonsense sprinkled with 'u' and 'ppl' and the rest of the chatspeak poison. Isn't the point of using language properly to allow people to communicate clearly? Isn't clarity and the ability to understand/be understood important?

Yusshin
May 6th, 2010, 09:22 AM
How would you of seen 12 year olds wearing thongs? :S Even if they are, that's OUR and our previous generations fault, as the parents of these kids and the generation who promoted selling yourself as a good thing.

My sister and her friends. When they were twelve three years back, they would be sitting out in the yard, bent over, exposing their thongs. My dad wasn't pleased, I'll tell ya that.

Also, technology is dumbing our kids down. If you spell "great" as "gr8", some teachers will actually mark it correct because "they tried, and it's close."

Uh, wtmonkey?

Spherical Ice
May 6th, 2010, 09:27 AM
I'm, like, the only person in my form, and most probably my form, that can write a grammatically correct and roughly accurately-spelled sentence online. And I actually cringe when people in my year, IN REAL LIFE, say things like "lol", "omg", and, especially, "cba" (and any variations thereof). I mean, why say "lol" - it's like saying "I am crying".

Anyway, despite that, I do think that some of these generalisations (that spellling is probably really ironic and contradicts my first sentence, but oh well. XD;;) in this thread. Also, is it me, or do people's stereotypes of young people seem to move up with me? Last year people would say "typical eleven-year olds", and now it's "typical twelve-year olds". o.O

So yeah, I'm most probably really biased here, but oh well. My two pennies.

Fox♠
May 6th, 2010, 09:30 AM
My sister and her friends. When they were twelve three years back, they would be sitting out in the yard, bent over, exposing their thongs. My dad wasn't pleased, I'll tell ya that.

Also, technology is dumbing our kids down. If you spell "great" as "gr8", some teachers will actually mark it correct because "they tried, and it's close."

Uh, wtmonkey?

Oh I see. How do kids even get ahold of thongs? I mean, what sick company even makes them and markets them towards children?

To the guy a few up who destroyed his own statement about conversation dying because kids are always texting. That is conversation. I text people all the time, it's a nice little way of keeping in touch when you're not near that person and when a phone call isnt really suited to both at the time.

Yusshin
May 6th, 2010, 09:43 AM
Oh I see. How do kids even get ahold of thongs? I mean, what sick company even makes them and markets them towards children?

I'm not sure. I know my sister got the idea from her friends, and based on her friends' mums... Well, they don't dress very appropriately, I'll say that. That combined with the fact they don't control their kids (they're out at 03:00 with 18-year-olds - wtf?) just shows parenting is at fault there. Of course, magazines showing that thongs are awesome (you can find these at the check-out of every grocery store) doesn't help.

Avey
May 6th, 2010, 09:48 AM
Goddamn have you guy guys ever heard of childhood?

This thread is making me facepalm so much it's unreal.

Yusshin
May 6th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Goddamn have you guy guys ever heard of childhood?

This thread is making me facepalm so much it's unreal.

This is different. Children wearing thongs isn't appropriate. Children being given an A+ for text-talk in a formal writing isn't appropriate either, but it's permitted, since children don't practice their spelling enough (Spell Check does everything) and texting is popular.

Children playing on the Internet and texting? All right, but there's a limit. You shouldn't be able to text at the table instead of talking with your parents. If you're texting more than you're eating, there's an issue lol

Meanwhile, I read up some disturbing things. There are some kids who start masturbating at the age of eight. You don't learn about sex-ed until you're ten, and most parents don't even discuss it until at least ten. I just feel that there's something wrong with a kid, girl and boy, masturbating at eight years of age. I don't think that happened a few decades ago.

That just shows how awkward and weird the world has changed. Really. Eight? Jeez! Some kids even start dry humping each other at four, saying "It feels good." Seriously, wtf?

Sylphiel
May 6th, 2010, 09:53 AM
Literacy is going downhill, too. I've seen essays at my college written with atrocious grammar/spelling and even chatspeak! I see people from kids to young adults on the internet who can't write a coherent sentence or spell anything right to save their lives, and these aren't the 'English is my second language, sorry! ^.^;;' people (who at least are trying, and English is really tough as a second language), these are people native to English-speaking countries that for some reason think they are communicating by typing incomprehensible nonsense sprinkled with 'u' and 'ppl' and the rest of the chatspeak poison. Isn't the point of using language properly to allow people to communicate clearly? Isn't clarity and the ability to understand/be understood important?
Thankfully I never saw the chatspeak sentences in essays when I was in school. Though I did see people in a senior AP English class who apparently had forgotten so much about things that the teacher decided to go back and go over basic grammar.

Now, that alone could provoke a rant from me; but in regards to kids and literacy (or anything related to them being "stupid"), I have to wonder how much of it is the kids just being "lazy", and how much it is of the schools either being afraid to tell kids they're wrong (ban on using red pens to grade paper because it might "hurt kids' feelings", anyone?) and just letting them pass anyway and/or the schools deciding to stop teaching certain things in favor of other things.

For example - spelling? Yeah, maybe it was just the area I was in, but the moment kids reached high school - pfft, you don't need any more stinking spelling lessons, no more classes about that!...despite the fact that a bunch of people there still had problems with even simple words at times.

(Though, as a general statement, I personally see nothing wrong with using such things at chatspeak in informal settings such as texting - provided that the other person can actually understand it.)

The real reason we're condeming these kids is because we're jealous that we didn't have that much freedom or werent that spoiled.
Quoting just this part because I'm in so much agreement with it, haha. How I've gawked so many times at seeing younger siblings get things at certain ages that I was never allowed to have; of course the first thought in my mind would be "that's so unfair, they're obviously spoiled!"

Though of course there's going too far with giving them liberties (thongs, what the heck), but just because kids are getting the nice shinies at an earlier age now doesn't necessarily mean they're bad and spoiled and whatnot.

Now if someone's giving these kids all they want whenever they demand it, then that's a problem.

Rich Boy Rob
May 6th, 2010, 09:59 AM
Seriously, just because a small percentage of people are knife wielding hoodies doesn't mean we all are. And what the hells wrong with owning technology? So I have a phone, so what if I have a TV, what difference does it make to you? Technology is designed to make people's lives easier and it succeeds in doing so.

Eww, you're all turning into grumpy old people. Ewwwwwww...

shookie
May 6th, 2010, 10:00 AM
No but kids these days sit and text at the dinner table. It's so rude. They do nothing but text one another all day long. Having said that I know adults who are glued to their phones and I think it's a disgrace.

Why not call someone up instead of texting? This is why conversation is a dying art amongst kids today.
That totally has nothing to do with causing the world to end or being a huge downfall to society. At least, it isn't the kid's faults. It's the parent's. If they aren't teaching their child that "doing X is wrong" then the kids will continue to do X.
Even then, the whole point to being a kid is to not listen to your parents. They don't want you to wear something because of how it looks, so you bring it with you to school and change.

Just because kids dress/act/spell differently now does not mean they will keep those habits as they grow up. I used chat speak all the time when I was a pre-teen, sticky caps and all, and obviously I stopped that years ago. I also won the spelling bee every year in elementary school, and by the end of high school, I was a member of the National Society of High School Scholars. I still text pretty frequently and I don't always listen to my parents. A friend of mine in law school uses chat speak more than anybody else I know, it doesn't relate to his intelligence. It relates to his laziness.

Captain Riolu
May 6th, 2010, 10:06 AM
Children playing on the Internet and texting? All right, but there's a limit. You shouldn't be able to text at the table instead of talking with your parents. If you're texting more than you're eating, there's an issue lol



I take offense to that. XD
I text all of the time but still carry on conversation. It's multitasking.



And people need to stop saying stuff like "The future is doomed". Kids may do dumb things now, but they grow up. They mature. I guarantee you that most of the stuff you see kids doing today they will discontinue to do when they grow up.

Yusshin
May 6th, 2010, 10:12 AM
I take offense to that. XD
I text all of the time but still carry on conversation. It's multitasking.

It's true, though lol There's gotta be a limit somewhere. I live in a family where we don't have dinner together every night. We barely even see each other, actually, let alone talk. My sister does around 2,500 texts a month while she's eating and using the computer. It's a sad sight, really. She spends 10h on the computer, texting at the same time, and eating microwave stuff / sandwiches.

That's my dad's fault, though. It all just comes back to parenting in the end. Parenting and bad influences from other people / media / magazines that affect parenting.

Cherrim
May 6th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Meanwhile, I read up some disturbing things. There are some kids who start masturbating at the age of eight. You don't learn about sex-ed until you're ten, and most parents don't even discuss it until at least ten. I just feel that there's something wrong with a kid, girl and boy, masturbating at eight years of age. I don't think that happened a few decades ago.
...just wanna drop in here and say that kids of any age will discover this because it feels good and do it. It doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it because they heard it's cool and started it that way. :( Many kids will accidentally start at a very early age without knowing it's anything bad/awkward/inappropriate.

:/ It's not like the thong thing, where an outside force HAS to influence them to buy or want it... so I'm not sure it's a valid point. (I agree with mostly everything else you said though.)

Honestly, I don't like most things kids do/are expected to do in today's society but I don't want to complain much. I bet when I was 12, people at age 21 disapproved of things I probably did that was different. :/

The Cynic
May 6th, 2010, 10:22 AM
This is different. Children wearing thongs isn't appropriate. Children being given an A+ for text-talk in a formal writing isn't appropriate either, but it's permitted, since children don't practice their spelling enough (Spell Check does everything) and texting is popular.

Children playing on the Internet and texting? All right, but there's a limit. You shouldn't be able to text at the table instead of talking with your parents. If you're texting more than you're eating, there's an issue lol

Meanwhile, I read up some disturbing things. There are some kids who start masturbating at the age of eight. You don't learn about sex-ed until you're ten, and most parents don't even discuss it until at least ten. I just feel that there's something wrong with a kid, girl and boy, masturbating at eight years of age. I don't think that happened a few decades ago.

That just shows how awkward and weird the world has changed. Really. Eight? Jeez! Some kids even start dry humping each other at four, saying "It feels good." Seriously, wtf?

What is so wrong or disturbing about kids wanting to know about their own bodies? They have a right to know! You're suggesting we bring kids up in a little bubble of rainbows and fairies and unicorns and golden pixie dust (so on, so on). Where curiosity is seen as smutty, or even dangerous.

Also, language is a living, sentient organsim. It evolves. My favourite way of describing language is using this Stephen Fry quote:


Think of London. Some of its outline was determined by the Romans who conquered it two thousand years ago, since then atop the ruins of the Roman, Saxon, Dark Age and Norman London was constructed a medieval city of winding streets, jostling half-timbered mansions and soaring stone cathedrals and churches. Then came, after the Tudor and Jacobean palaces and halls and after the restoration a period of renewed classical elements, the squares and avenues of Georgian and Regency London, elegant, spacious and harmonious. The Victorians brought long suburban streets, warehouses, libraries, schools, town halls and railway stations and in the twentieth century arrived a new architecture, office towers, corporate headquarters, airports, housing projects in glass and concrete, American and European statements of self conscious modernity, statehood, brutalism, socialism, capitalism and democracy. It isn’t I think, too much of a strain to see the history of our language in similar terms. A long sticky flypaper onto which at varying times of their importance the church, royalty, aristocracy, industry, commerce and international entertainment have accreted themselves. Saxon and Roman elements overlaid with the Norman French and Chaucerian and Church medieval English. A great renaissance of Shakespeare, the Bible of King James, Milton and Dryden leading into the classical English of Johnson and Pope. The Victorian English of industry, Dickens and music hall giving way to the English of the twentieth century, all the way through the arrival of radio and cinema, the political language of fascism, communism, socialism and finance, the Americanisms, the street talk, the rock and roll, the corporate speak, the computer jargon … and here we are. Glass and concrete sentences right next to half-timbered Elizabethan phrases, a Starbucks of an utterance dwelling in an expression that once belonged to a Victorian banker, an Apple Store of an accent in a converted Georgian merchant’s lingo.



So what if language is now evolving to include text speak? Shakespeare created new language when he was around. Twitter and Facebook are the new Hamlet and Macbeth. Let use be our lexicographer!

Yusshin
May 6th, 2010, 10:44 AM
Kids shouldn't even be thinking about that sort of thing at the age of four, or even eight. That kind of thing creeps into the conscience around ten. At eight, you should only be concerned with your Tonka trucks, Barbies, and the playground. A kid doesn't develop the "wanting to discover their body" thing until at least ten; if they know about it earlier on, they saw something bad on television or something. Psychologically, kids shouldn't become aware of sex or sexual things before puberty even starts (generally, puberty starts between ten and thirteen). If they're taught beforehand and they start acting out like that, then that's abnormal. Kids shouldn't be thinking about sex and self-pleasure when they're eight. There's something wrong there.

I'll never consider text-talk as a new addition to language; it's merely beating up the language we already have. Sure, terms and whatnaught "evolve" and change, but I will never consider "gr4" to be a word.

Rich Boy Rob
May 6th, 2010, 10:45 AM
Meanwhile, I read up some disturbing things. There are some kids who start masturbating at the age of eight. You don't learn about sex-ed until you're ten, and most parents don't even discuss it until at least ten. I just feel that there's something wrong with a kid, girl and boy, masturbating at eight years of age. I don't think that happened a few decades ago.


Didn't notice this post before. What do you think is wrong with masturbating then? It has been proven to have no adverse affects and has even been proven to even be good for you, as it reduces blood pressure. I child doesn't need to be taught how to do it anyway, they find out it feels good and so they carry on. And the reason people didn't do it in the past is because it was seen as sinful and made you go blind etc.

Cherrim
May 6th, 2010, 10:59 AM
Kids shouldn't even be thinking about that sort of thing at the age of four, or even eight. That kind of thing creeps into the conscience around ten. At eight, you should only be concerned with your Tonka trucks, Barbies, and the playground. A kid doesn't develop the "wanting to discover their body" thing until at least ten; if they know about it earlier on, they saw something bad on television or something. Psychologically, kids shouldn't become aware of sex or sexual things before puberty even starts (generally, puberty starts between ten and thirteen). If they're taught beforehand and they start acting out like that, then that's abnormal. Kids shouldn't be thinking about sex and self-pleasure when they're eight. There's something wrong there.

I'll never consider text-talk as a new addition to language; it's merely beating up the language we already have. Sure, terms and whatnaught "evolve" and change, but I will never consider "gr4" to be a word.
:/

But if they don't even know what sexual pleasure even is, how is that bad? Just like a kid won't know it's bad to run around without clothes on until you tell them, how can they know better otherwise? :s It most definitely has nothing to do with being taught beforehand but I'm not searching up references for this at work, lmao. Just because WE know masturbation is a sexual activity doesn't mean little kids who discover it do. That's all I'm saying. They aren't necessarily thinking of sexual pleasure, they just know it feels good and this sort of thing is NOT tied to "this generation" of children. So while this could be an argument, I don't feel it belongs in this "complain about the latest generation of pokemon children" thread. D:

Eternal Nightmare
May 6th, 2010, 11:05 AM
Wow at this thread and all the comments <_<.

Let's just face it yes some of the children in this gen are sex adddicts or even drug addicts but are there not people like that in each gen. Of course. Not all of them are going out buying drugs and getting laid every second. There are some who actually do care for there education and want to grown up to be the best they can be. Also, as said, more kids are getting fat in america. This is true but then again its not like most kids go in the kitchen and cook there own meals. Basically, its the parents fault for screwing up their childs diet.

Like, when was there ever an age limit on have a cellphone, or Ipod, hell even a Plasma screen TV. Iexactly there isn't one. So what's so bad about a 5 year old having a cellphone. What if the child is in some sort of emergency and there are no phones around for him to call his parents. Does that make it so bad to have a cellphone handy. Ipod...the child may love music so is that so bad.

Now dont get it twisted I have seen some bad ass children around cursing, wearing revealing clothing, and even talking about sex. Maybe if their parents incorporated more home training and not letting their child walk out the house like some hoochie things would be alright. Down the next gen all you want but its still going to come after us and really their isn't much of a damn thing we can do about it.

Lucy Lu
May 6th, 2010, 11:08 AM
The real reason we're condeming these kids is because we're jealous that we didn't have that much freedom or werent that spoiled.
I guess I am bit jealous of this generation. When I was younger I have to learn from right from wrong. And I have to work hard to get what I want and need. These days these kids get whatever they want on a silver platter. Some kids are getting away with everything these days. Yeah the parents are a little lax towards some of their children. I was happy that my parents weren't lax with me. They were super strict. And I am glad they were.

So yeah some of the parents of this generation are to blame, but the more I thought about it...I guess we got a good life going. No one is perfect. It is life. We got to live through it.

Captain Riolu
May 6th, 2010, 11:12 AM
Kids shouldn't even be thinking about that sort of thing at the age of four, or even eight. That kind of thing creeps into the conscience around ten. At eight, you should only be concerned with your Tonka trucks, Barbies, and the playground. A kid doesn't develop the "wanting to discover their body" thing until at least ten; if they know about it earlier on, they saw something bad on television or something. Psychologically, kids shouldn't become aware of sex or sexual things before puberty even starts (generally, puberty starts between ten and thirteen). If they're taught beforehand and they start acting out like that, then that's abnormal. Kids shouldn't be thinking about sex and self-pleasure when they're eight. There's something wrong there.

I'll never consider text-talk as a new addition to language; it's merely beating up the language we already have. Sure, terms and whatnaught "evolve" and change, but I will never consider "gr4" to be a word.

Ya know, all it takes is a simple thing like an itch in a place for kid to touch that spot. Heck, it could just happen. They don't need to know what it is to do it. Babies don't know the danger of electricity, yet they can stick a knife into a socket. A kid doesn't need to know of sex when masturbation can be done with one person. Did you have to know how muscles worked to walk? No.


And text language is just a way of doing things fast. If I was lazy or in a hurry, it would be more efficient to say "lol" instead of "laugh out loud"

The Cynic
May 6th, 2010, 11:29 AM
Kids shouldn't even be thinking about that sort of thing at the age of four, or even eight. That kind of thing creeps into the conscience around ten. At eight, you should only be concerned with your Tonka trucks, Barbies, and the playground. A kid doesn't develop the "wanting to discover their body" thing until at least ten; if they know about it earlier on, they saw something bad on television or something. Psychologically, kids shouldn't become aware of sex or sexual things before puberty even starts (generally, puberty starts between ten and thirteen). If they're taught beforehand and they start acting out like that, then that's abnormal. Kids shouldn't be thinking about sex and self-pleasure when they're eight. There's something wrong there.

I'll never consider text-talk as a new addition to language; it's merely beating up the language we already have. Sure, terms and whatnaught "evolve" and change, but I will never consider "gr4" to be a word.

Kids are actually aware of sex earlier than you think. A baby, for example, will enjoy getting an e***tion and holding its p***s, a form of masturbation. You may wonder how I know this, I originally wanted to be a psycologist and you'd be surprised how much of that is sexual. Also, what is so wrong about being interested in sex hmm? You seem to have a sort of vendetta against one of the most rudimentary animal instincts; if it feels good do it. That principle decides so much in nature. You know scientists are able to mind control rats by giving it bursts of electricity into the pleasure part of its brain?

Now what do you consider "beating up" a language? You mean degrading it? Then, in a way, all accents American, Scottish, Welsh, Canadian, South African, Australian, whatever are then, in your eyes, also a horrible ruining of language. That it ridiculous as there is no sigulaer form of any one language. Language can be categorised as, and we owe the French for this, Langue or parole. Language as a concept, and language as utterance respectively. Now what you're saying is that text speak isn't a true form of utterance? Well there's your argument flat on its face already because utterance can be anything. Let me ask you a question. Can you understand text-speak as a form of English? Of course you can! Then it is merely another form of parole and as much a part of the English language as the words I am typing, and spelling "correctly", now.

Note: I censored some words in paragraph 1 as I'm not sure which words PC consider to be innapropriate so I've just gone ahead and blanked them.

Chibi-chan
May 6th, 2010, 11:40 AM
Whoah Whoah Whoah @_____@

Sexual discussions are not allowed in OC. Please change the conversation back to wear it's supposed to be or I will have to close this thread...
Giving a forwarning before one bad apple ends a good discussion.

Eternal Nightmare
May 6th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Whoah Whoah Whoah @_____@

Sexual discussions are not allowed in OC. Please change the conversation back to wear it's supposed to be or I will have to close this thread...
Giving a forwarning before one bad apple ends a good discussion.

Aye aye captain :3. Um...what was the original question again -goes to check-

Captain Riolu
May 6th, 2010, 11:48 AM
Whoah Whoah Whoah @_____@

Sexual discussions are not allowed in OC. Please change the conversation back to wear it's supposed to be or I will have to close this thread...
Giving a forwarning before one bad apple ends a good discussion.

0_0


So......how's about them pants-sagging these kids be doin'?

>_>

<_<

Hybrid Trainer
May 6th, 2010, 11:59 AM
Texting hurts no one, get off your high horse.

actually some girl in Britain texted so much that she got sever carpel tunnel and had to have an operation so she didn't have to wear a frame over her wrists.

and every generation kids think of a new think to do to get into trouble, parents just need to think of new ways to discipline. step up to the plate adults!

shookie
May 6th, 2010, 12:17 PM
actually some girl in Britain texted so much that she got sever carpel tunnel and had to have an operation so she didn't have to wear a frame over her wrists.

Excessive texting can be harmful. Excessive anything can be harmful. I scooped ice cream for seven months and have to go to physical therapy for my wrist(s) because of the injuries it caused, but I also have an underlying joint condition that made it 10 times worse (the diagnosis was why I quit). That doesn't mean scooping ice cream is bad for you.

FaithInMe
May 6th, 2010, 01:05 PM
Oh, you did not just go there. :x

You're actually telling us what we have the right and what we don't have the right to do? What, because you're 21 you have the right to tell other people that are younger than you what to do? No, you do not. Get lost.


And this is why I usually just dont bother.
Way to jump to conclusions, maybe you should read things a bit better first huh?
It was a rhetorical question to begin with, surely you know what they are. I never told anyone what rights they have.
Secondly, I never said I was better than anyone regardless of my age. Whether I think or not. Id raise an equality issue but its offtopic and unnecessary for now.
Thirdly, why get so defensive? Im allowed my opinion just like everyone else.

Have a little maturity and class and read things properly before you go and jump to conclusions again.

Dakota
May 6th, 2010, 01:10 PM
Haha, I know it's a terrible thing to say, but I can't wait for the kids in this generation to become adults. Then I'll watch them screw there lives up.... oh hang on, I'm a part of this generation. -_-

Anyway's yes, this generation is totally screwed for the future.

Patchisou Yutohru
May 6th, 2010, 01:28 PM
Why are people blaming the children on their materialism when everyone is materialistic to one extent or another? Additionally, it isn't as if the children go out and buy it, so if you disagree with how they have some materialistic things, then you shouldn't be blaming it on the children; but the parents. They're the ones who likely use their money to buy these things for them. Personally, the only thing I see no need for a child under the age of 13 is a cellphone.

When I worked at CVS, there was a seven year old with an iPhone. Her sister, who looked about eleven was also using her iPhone. They were both talking to their friends. I thought to myself "Damn, how the hell can a parent do that to their kids? They're going to grow up to think they can get anything they want." And it's true, there are some people who get spoiled as a kid and grow up to believe that they are the center of the universe and the world and everyone on it revolves around them and them alone. And that isn't their fault. They were raised that way.

Materialism isn't always bad, like I pointed out in the beginning, and it should not be put on the children as if they're at fault. We live in a world where people want materialistic things. It only gets bad if the parent doesn't know how to tell a child no when they demand, argue, or ask for things that they have no need for. I understand most parents want the best for their children and want them to be happy, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices to your child's happiness (getting them everything they want) to teach them valuable life lessons that very few people living in today's world learn.

Anyway, materialism isn't the problem. A lot of children these days feed off of each other negatively, which is what I've come to know from exhibiting my brother's behavior around his friends. They believe being rude, telling people off, cursing, acting as though they're tough, or acting as though they're superior to someone else is cool and makes them look good. Face it, throughout school, there's nothing more than most kids want than to fit in with other kids. Depending on the environment and what environment you put you child in affects how that child's personality is. That's the one thing I hate about school systems. With all these kids in one place, personalities collide, values can change, beliefs parents install in their children can change.

I'm actually afraid of placing a child in an environment where the majority kids act like hooligans and hoodlums. Because those are the ones that have the strong impact on children these days. Especially with all the praise in the culture today, which encourages sex and other mature topics to be brought into their childhood.

But of course this does not apply to every child. There are those who were raised with values and beliefs by their parents. Those who think before they speak and who treat others around them with respect and gain respect from respectful individuals themselves. But, you know what they say, one bad apple spoils the bunch. Maybe that's why so many adults have such a negative view on not only children, but any young individual living today.

Children learn from observing people around them. Everyone learns like that all their life, actually. So many things impact the way a child behaves, but I've found that since all of a child's childhood is involved with school and other children, a lot of the behaviors other children have impact another. We don't know what happens in the family girl next door's house or the boy living with his step-father down the street when their doors close. For all you know they have an older sibling who doesn't care that they use language like that around their younger siblings. That goes on to the child, the child uses that language at school, other kids learn the word and start using it the same way. It's just a domino effect.

So yeah, don't blame the children on how they act because they're at a time where they're learning right from wrong and that's when they develop most of their behaviors. All from what they see around them.

Narcissus Secret
May 6th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Most fault does not lie in the children, it lies in who raised them. Then, once the child grows up(or even before) it is their choice to retain the way of life they were raised by their parents.

Also, I know more "good" kids than I do "bad"

Kura
May 6th, 2010, 04:16 PM
I don't know if it's really the kids or what they're exposed to.. I think it's mostly the lack of ambition I notice in this generation because a lot of stuff is becoming materialistic and kids seem to start getting a weekly "allowance" (like $20) for doing absolutely nothing. (Can a 12 year old kid put their dishes away? Yeah. It's not that freaking hard. And do your freaking homework. You might hate it but your parents are paying for the food on that table so you might as well make the best of it and LEARN something.) The moms should stop giving in and actually discipline a bratty child.

Throat
May 6th, 2010, 04:23 PM
Kids are silly everywhere, everytime, every generation, that's just normal. About the over weight and adult content exposing, they can be managed by conscious parents. The bullying can be avoided in the beginning by talking to kids when they don't seem silly. Life isn't too hard nowadays, guys, the problems are just clearer.

Guillermo
May 6th, 2010, 11:26 PM
And this is why I usually just dont bother.
Way to jump to conclusions, maybe you should read things a bit better first huh?
It was a rhetorical question to begin with, surely you know what they are. I never told anyone what rights they have.
Secondly, I never said I was better than anyone regardless of my age. Whether I think or not. Id raise an equality issue but its offtopic and unnecessary for now.
Thirdly, why get so defensive? Im allowed my opinion just like everyone else.

Have a little maturity and class and read things properly before you go and jump to conclusions again.
Pal, asking why I'm getting defensive is a stupid question. You just attacked younger aged kids, like myself. You're allowed your opinion, but if it's attacking others then you have no right to speak it. Even if it was a rhetorical question, you meant what you mean.

Bluerang1
May 6th, 2010, 11:38 PM
It's upsetting some of the things you guys are backing... :/

Anyway:
@Yusshin: Amen
@Joleen: You're annoying :P
@Gillermo and pefectmonster: He wasn't talking to you! He was talking to us who are condemning the Generation and are in it ourselves.
@Yusshin: You HAD to bring that up *nightmare*
@Lightning: Why didn't you stop the not allowed talk, you're an administrator for crying out loud T__T
@Chibi-Chan: THANK YOU!!!

Okay, the Generation is bad and all. Kids can taste alcohol but *glug* *glugging* it is wrong. They shouldn't be adulty and should have a little more respect. This country made me less respectful :P But by the looks of things, us "god" ones seem that we will raise our kids well. Seems the world ain't doomed afterall. I'd say more but I'm running too late for school, so maybe when I get back. This thread was my reading for last night :D

Guillermo
May 6th, 2010, 11:56 PM
It's upsetting some of the things you guys are backing... :/

Anyway:
@Yusshin: Amen
@Joleen: You're annoying :P
@Gillermo and pefectmonster: He wasn't talking to you! He was talking to us who are condemning the Generation and are in it ourselves.
@Yusshin: You HAD to bring that up *nightmare*
@Lightning: Why didn't you stop the not allowed talk, you're an administrator for crying out loud T__T
@Chibi-Chan: THANK YOU!!!

Okay, the Generation is bad and all. Kids can taste alcohol but *glug* *glugging* it is wrong. They shouldn't be adulty and should have a little more respect. This country made me less respectful :P But by the looks of things, us "god" ones seem that we will raise our kids well. Seems the world ain't doomed afterall. I'd say more but I'm running too late for school, so maybe when I get back. This thread was my reading for last night :D
One, you spelt my name wrong. Two, I don't care who he was directing it at. He said it, and it offended me. Three, don't act like you know what everyone else is feeling.

In turn, about the whole disrespect idea, you're making it seem like adults are not disrespectul, which is where you're very wrong.

SIN1488
May 7th, 2010, 12:02 AM
Kids are just doing what kids do, and that's embracing whatever freedom they have now. Just wait, the whole lot of them will be old and so full of responsibilities that they will be complaining about every little thing that doesn't even affect them anyway.

RuRuBell
May 7th, 2010, 07:54 AM
All teens WILL drink alchohol and friends.

Not true, I don't drink. :/

I want to comment on Yusshin's post, but I think it would be too inappropriate, so I won't.

Anyway, some kids these days are annoying. There are annoying kids in every generation. Really, I blame the parents more than the kid themselves if they're 'bad'.

Bluerang1
May 7th, 2010, 08:10 AM
One, you spelt my name wrong. Two, I don't care who he was directing it at. He said it, and it offended me. Three, don't act like you know what everyone else is feeling.

In turn, about the whole disrespect idea, you're making it seem like adults are not disrespectul, which is where you're very wrong.

I see what he means >__> *prepares for another condemning* Just stop taking things too personally.

Anyway, I was surprised to day, as a girl in my class (tattoo, somewhat drinks? smokes (I actually forgot about her tattoo xD) tongue pierce, that all... and is 14, well was 14 in April, had all this before, at 13 :/) actually understood our Spanish work more than me! :o I guess it shows that we will grow up, and not all act like some do. It showed that she wanted to take some responsibility, she does this a lot. So maybe she's a bad example :P Too be honest, kids in my year aren't too bad. They just need be way less vulgar :(

RTHookers
May 7th, 2010, 08:11 AM
At one time or another ^.

SIN1488
May 7th, 2010, 03:20 PM
I want to comment on Yusshin's post, but I think it would be too inappropriate, so I won't.

You mean this one?

Meanwhile, I read up some disturbing things. There are some kids who start masturbating at the age of eight. You don't learn about sex-ed until you're ten, and most parents don't even discuss it until at least ten. I just feel that there's something wrong with a kid, girl and boy, masturbating at eight years of age. I don't think that happened a few decades ago.

That just shows how awkward and weird the world has changed. Really. Eight? Jeez! Some kids even start dry humping each other at four, saying "It feels good." Seriously, wtf?

I guess I'll take a crack at it then..... Kids start much earlier than that, there has been studies where fetuses actually do this in the womb. And it's always been a common thing, but people didn't spread information as quickly as before, so it seems like it's happening more often when really you are just hearing about it more often.

I would like to explain how they discover these things before they've ever been exposed to anything like that, but it would probably violate the rules. I guess I'll simplify it and slap it between some age limit tags. K: 16+
Kids explore their bodies all the time, they are curious about all kinds of things, so of course they are curious about their bodies. It may be that one day they get an itch in some places, and find that scratching or even touching there feels good. I'm sure it happens in other ways, but either way they learn that touching there feels good. So of course they continue doing it, what reason would there be to not? And if you think these kind of things never happened before, it was worse. People often had child brides many years ago, and don't think for a second those relationships were all glitter and innocence, they got down to the "dirty dirty" too.

I could probably debate about these things for hours, but it just feels so uncomfortable doing so on PC, like I'm pissing on holy grounds or something. :nervous:

FaithInMe
May 7th, 2010, 06:05 PM
Pal, asking why I'm getting defensive is a stupid question. You just attacked younger aged kids, like myself. You're allowed your opinion, but if it's attacking others then you have no right to speak it. Even if it was a rhetorical question, you meant what you mean.

1. Im not your pal.
2. If it makes you feel better, I dont think anyone is good enough themselves to have any right to social commentary and trying to tell people that something is wrong. Whether they be 15 or 50.
3. Apparently you're just as bad as me, telling me what my rights are? I dont care whether it feels like an attack on you or not, I still have the right to my opinion.
I wasnt talking specifically to you, dont take things so personally and over-react. It just makes you look petty and childish.

Some of the best people Ive known over the years have been covered in piercings and tattoos, and swear like a trooper. They shouldnt be condemned for what they do or the activities they do. Thats nothing but intolerance at its highest level.

Izanagi
May 7th, 2010, 06:32 PM
This generation is too sinful. And according to the Good Book, it's gonna get worse.

hiphiphippo
May 7th, 2010, 07:07 PM
even though i'm still a young teen myself, i'd like to add...

It all just comes back to parenting in the end. Parenting and bad influences from other people / media / magazines that affect parenting.

yes, i agree with this.
another factor is the kind of place you live in, whether it's a city or a more suburban area

also, the kids you hang out around, especially starting at a young age
little kids learn things off of other people, and sometimes they end up learning bad things
this is inevitable at times though, but i feel like an example is unnecessary atm and will just take up space

A kid doesn't develop the "wanting to discover their body" thing until at least ten; if they know about it earlier on, they saw something bad on television or something. Psychologically, kids shouldn't become aware of sex or sexual things before puberty even starts (generally, puberty starts between ten and thirteen). If they're taught beforehand and they start acting out like that, then that's abnormal. Kids shouldn't be thinking about sex and self-pleasure when they're eight. There's something wrong there.

just something i thought i'd add..
(i heard this from my science teacher, don't blame me if it's inaccurate D': )
well, kids are starting to mature and reach puberty earlier and earlier over time because of stuff like hormones in water, but that's a whole different topic

Okay, the Generation is bad and all. Kids can taste alcohol but *glug* *glugging* it is wrong. They shouldn't be adulty and should have a little more respect.

i agree. and maybe if kids get a little taste they'll think it tastes bad and avoid it? xD
but yeah, toasting for special occasions in countries where it's legal is different too


also, @ spoiling children with cellphones, etc...
i think it's not too bad to let like a preteen get a cellphone as long as it's not too valuable or excessive
for example, i got a cellphone when i was like 11 or something, but i asked for the cheapest one that i found that still looked decent, which was $0
and i didnt want any extra features or anything, as long as i could make calls


tl;dr
a kid's behavior is greatly affected by his/her environment starting at a young age
and..
some certain things are okay for children as long as they're limited

SIN1488
May 7th, 2010, 08:34 PM
just something i thought i'd add..
(i heard this from my science teacher, don't blame me if it's inaccurate D': )
well, kids are starting to mature and reach puberty earlier and earlier over time because of stuff like hormones in water, but that's a whole different topic




From what I know this is not inaccurate, but I never heard of it being in water. The other sources are actually kids toys that have a chemical very similar to the hormone that basically causes puberty, and it might be close enough to trigger puberty when exposed to it. More study needed..... and that's the same with another source, this ones a bit weird though. Supposedly cows are getting treated with something to make them produce more milk, or something like that, and it also causes them to produce extra hormones. These cow hormones might be similar enough to the human hormones that the body treats them like they are the same. This may cause early puberty to happen in females, and supposedly it may be the cause of the increase in homosexuals.

Lol, I didn't make up this study and it sounds like Tauros poo to me, but the idea that the body can treat a similar hormone like one of it's own sounds accurate.

Bluerang1
May 8th, 2010, 01:17 AM
Some of the best people Ive known over the years have been covered in piercings and tattoos, and swear like a trooper. They shouldnt be condemned for what they do or the activities they do. Thats nothing but intolerance at its highest level.

You obviously forgot the part where I said she was 13. If I am so intolerant then I wouldn't even go near her but as I said, she's a sweet soul and a somewhat close friend of mine. Also if a person steals or kills- wouldn't you condemn? Or what ''activities" do you speak of? The hypocracy here, including mine, is so apparent.

Guillermo
May 8th, 2010, 01:36 AM
1. Im not your pal.
2. If it makes you feel better, I dont think anyone is good enough themselves to have any right to social commentary and trying to tell people that something is wrong. Whether they be 15 or 50.
3. Apparently you're just as bad as me, telling me what my rights are? I dont care whether it feels like an attack on you or not, I still have the right to my opinion.
I wasnt talking specifically to you, dont take things so personally and over-react. It just makes you look petty and childish.

Some of the best people Ive known over the years have been covered in piercings and tattoos, and swear like a trooper. They shouldnt be condemned for what they do or the activities they do. Thats nothing but intolerance at its highest level.
1. I didn't mean you were, really.
2. If someone annoys someone else, you're saying they don't have the right to try and stop that person?
3. Again, do not care if you were specifically talking to me, the kid across the street, or a kid on Jupiter. You still said it, and I didn't like it. And like I said, yet again, I know you're entitled to your opinion, but so am I, and your opinion offended me, so I'm giving you my opinion and telling you to watch your opinions. :D Don't call me childish or petty, because I'm none of those things. If I wish to take something personally, by god I will.

And by the way, do you know what an apostrophe is?

FaithInMe
May 8th, 2010, 02:58 AM
You obviously forgot the part where I said she was 13. If I am so intolerant then I wouldn't even go near her but as I said, she's a sweet soul and a somewhat close friend of mine. Also if a person steals or kills- wouldn't you condemn? Or what ''activities" do you speak of? The hypocracy here, including mine, is so apparent.


I didnt even really read it no, the people I was talking about are people the same age as me, but I grew up with, that have been the way they are since 13 or 14.
I dont actually condemn people regardless of what they have done. Who am I to judge, just like who am I to go on with social commentary about how the world is going to hell, one generation at a time. The things they do could have serious underlying reasons, that nobody is aware of. It could be anything. You (and Ill clarify for some, I dont mean you personally) dont know, so who are you judge on the result.
By activities I mean smoking, drugs, drinking, sex at a young age, fighting etc etc.
Life experience makes you who you are, to condemn all the above mentioned things is severely limiting your life experience, how can you judge something you havent experienced? Like the old saying goes, dont knock it til you've tried it.

I love how kids are tough on the internet, being little keyboard warriors from the comfort of their own home. Not to mention easily stirred up.
Just by what Ive read in some of these threads, the vast majority wouldnt have lasted my childhood.
Again, only my opinion. Flame away juniorburgers.

Bluerang1
May 8th, 2010, 03:00 AM
^ Well I see your point. Who are we to judge. Did you have to add that last bit? xD

Guillermo
May 8th, 2010, 03:10 AM
I love how kids are tough on the internet, being little keyboard warriors from the comfort of their own home. Not to mention easily stirred up.
Just by what Ive read in some of these threads, the vast majority wouldnt have lasted my childhood.
Again, only my opinion. Flame away juniorburgers.
Will do. Thanks for the invitation!

Aaaaaaand adults aren't little keyboard warriors? If you want to take this to a personal level, be my guest. Really, I don't care. I don't really care what you think about your childhood, because that's over, and to be honest, you're just stuck in your mindset that you're always right and kids are wrong, because you're a big 21 year old. You're heaps tough yourself. :3

Fox♠
May 8th, 2010, 03:31 AM
I love how kids are tough on the internet, being little keyboard warriors from the comfort of their own home. Not to mention easily stirred up.
Just by what Ive read in some of these threads, the vast majority wouldnt have lasted my childhood.
Again, only my opinion. Flame away juniorburgers.

Yeah because that's exclusive to kids and because you aren't trying to look sarky and cool by calling people juniourburgers lol.

Seeing some of you people in this thread has made me realise my generation is actually a lot worse than the current generation.

Alinthea
May 8th, 2010, 03:44 AM
Seeing some of you people in this thread has made me realise my generation is actually a lot worse than the current generation.

Well, too be fair bud, the people from our generation are rather sad. I don't include them in that view.

I still think the '93+ lot are so badly brought up and so spoilt, that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Forever
May 8th, 2010, 03:54 AM
Hell yes, the 93ers are terrible. Though in general I feel bad for them. :(

Fox♠
May 8th, 2010, 04:03 AM
Hell yes, the 93ers are terrible. Though in general I feel bad for them. :(

They can't be blamed because they grew up in the boom. However my sister was born in '93 and the attitude she has is appalling.

Horizon
May 8th, 2010, 04:37 AM
I disagree, young people get such a hard time. In the UK, young people are portrayed by the media as hoodie-wearing, uneducated, knife-carrying thugs. We don't really give young people a chance, except of course when it comes to exam time. Then the younger folks all study very hard and get good grades. But what will you find on TV and in newspapers just after exams is a load of condascending journalists and reporters who say "Oh but exams are getting easier". Yes, exams are slightly easier than the days where your exams consisted of slaying a dragon, but did it never cross your mind that in the information age, perhaps kids are a little smarter than you were at the time? This is what it boils down to. People condemn and stereotype the youth because the youth of today are more knowledgable of the world and it scares some older members of society.

I know I'm quoting a page one post here, but I have to say I agree with this.

Being fron the UK myself, I'm often disgusted that the media portrays young people in this way. And like you say, at the end of every year when young people break records or whatever for exam pass rates, they say it's because the exams are getting easier. However throughout the rest of the year they complain that schools are not as good as they used to be and lack funding.

It really is a fear of being usurped, I suppose. The fear that the next generation of people will be on the whole more intelligent than the one which preceeded it.

curiousnathan
May 8th, 2010, 04:45 AM
But to be honest, I am sick of the generalisation that is being forced upon us kids. Even though most kids may be fat or troubled it doesn't mean all of us are. Who has exposed us to all of the stuff like sex, drugs, smoking ect?

poopnoodle
May 8th, 2010, 07:07 AM
FaithInMe: bet it feels good to talk down to people who just haven't lived as long as you have

as for the topic, it is what it is and i dont worry myself about it

daigonite
May 8th, 2010, 07:13 AM
Hell yes, the 93ers are terrible. Though in general I feel bad for them. :(
EH I'M A 93er D=<

Actually, I agree with you - I'm among one of the few 93er's that didn't get a ton of crap while I was growing up. And you know what? All the others are still getting expensive crap EVEN THOUGH we're in a recession and EVEN THOUGH we live in Michigan and EVEN THOUGH half of their parents don't have jobs. I don't think it's our generation - I think it's the brain capacity of the previous generation. Thanks to all that crap my birthyear is full of jerks. Self-righteous jerks who show off their wallets in Detroit. Ah well, at least I won't be the one shot.

OokamiShipper
May 8th, 2010, 08:44 AM
Oh...well, thanks. -considered a kid of this generation-

Well, of course, I completely agree with all this, I think we're getting too spoiled, corrupted, and...everything else you guys said.
At school, we were watching this drug addiction video (which was really disturbing and was supposed to be completely serious) and whenever there was a before/after picture, the students just under my grade all laughed. The principal was so mad at them.
Don't ask me why they laughed, it's way beyond my comprehension. But it's kinda related to this conversation? That the kids these days are ...like this? But it could've been a maturing thing, the other grades didn't laugh.
So you still can't just determine how bad it's gonna be, doesn't it still take time for us to mature?
I guess I'm not putting much of a fight here, but still. xD

Izanagi
May 8th, 2010, 08:46 AM
No, it's like that at my school too. People even find humor in other suggestive things. Like, this dude said something suggestive to this girl, and she played along like it was normal :/

SIN1488
May 8th, 2010, 12:33 PM
Who has exposed us to all of the stuff like sex, drugs, smoking ect?

Curiosity has.....

Just because someone is exposed to something, doesn't mean they have to go and try it. It's their decision to do things like that or not, so you (And other people) shouldn't blame others for a decision you or other people chose to make.

Rich Boy Rob
May 8th, 2010, 12:42 PM
I still think the '93+ lot are so badly brought up and so spoilt, that they should be ashamed of themselves.

I resent that. Evidence shows that as each generation passes we (as in humans) become smarter at rate of I think it was about an IQ of 5-10 and what does the previous generation do? Claim the tests are getting easier.

Which generation has the bad attitude I wonder?

Only a small percentage of us are badly brought up and spoilt, it's just you only ever look at them rather than the people who do well in school, work for charities and etcetera.

The Cynic
May 8th, 2010, 12:47 PM
I resent that. Evidence shows that as each generation passes we (as in humans) become smarter at rate of I think it was about an IQ of 5-10 and what does the previous generation do? Claim the tests are getting easier.

Which generation has the bad attitude I wonder?

Only a small percentage of us are badly brought up and spoilt, it's just you only ever look at them rather than the people who do well in school, work for charities and etcetera.

This was my point.

Saying that the 93+ folks should be ashamed of themselves is ridiculous. Ashamed for being born? Also kids arn't more spoiled today, we just have more wealth than we did even just 15-20 years ago. Is it wrong for parents to want their kids to have the best life possible? Its not spoiling, its nurturing and its what all a parents are obligated to do.

Guillermo
May 8th, 2010, 10:47 PM
Well, too be fair bud, the people from our generation are rather sad. I don't include them in that view.

I still think the '93+ lot are so badly brought up and so spoilt, that they should be ashamed of themselves.
Will, I love you, but I don't appreciate you saying I should be ashamed of myself.

Really, the main reason the previous generations believe that each newer generation is worse is because they're all used to how they grew up, without all the fancy stuff kids have nowadays. They want kids to grow up like they did, and I can understand why.

Sure, I hate my generation. However, most of the posts in this thread are making it seem like every damn kid now is a little jerk.

Aureol
May 8th, 2010, 11:26 PM
Well, too be fair bud, the people from our generation are rather sad. I don't include them in that view.

I still think the '93+ lot are so badly brought up and so spoilt, that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Whether that's true or not, it's hardly their fault. Blame the parents!

I resent that. Evidence shows that as each generation passes we (as in humans) become smarter at rate of I think it was about an IQ of 5-10 and what does the previous generation do? Claim the tests are getting easier.

Which generation has the bad attitude I wonder?

Only a small percentage of us are badly brought up and spoilt, it's just you only ever look at them rather than the people who do well in school, work for charities and etcetera.

Intelligence is hardly the most important thing. I am far more worried about the moral state of this generation than the intelligence level. While I am surprised to learn that we are getting smarter on average, whether we are or not does not really matter to me. We have extremely intelligent people that may be on either side of a controversial moral issue, so that doesn't help a whole ton :\

And where do you live that charity work is typical? Where I live, yes, because everybody is highly religious, but in more typical areas I didn't see much charity work getting done at all. Sure, there are the odd ones that do it, but most teenagers are pretty self-centered. Then again, this is typical among most of the generations, so instead of looking at stuff like this, we should look at the things that are different.

The median age of those that have taken part in premarital sex has dropped 3 years in the past half-century. Those that have taken drugs ever have increased from 30% to 40% of people in 20 years. Am I blaming it on the year 1993? No. But I am saying that there is a worrying decline. Then again, maybe many people may think premarital sex is okay, so it isn't an issue.

Rich Boy Rob
May 9th, 2010, 02:01 AM
And where do you live that charity work is typical? Where I live, yes, because everybody is highly religious, but in more typical areas I didn't see much charity work getting done at all. Sure, there are the odd ones that do it, but most teenagers are pretty self-centered. Then again, this is typical among most of the generations, so instead of looking at stuff like this, we should look at the things that are different.
I never said it was typical, just that some do, do it and it is never them who people focus on. For instance I don't work for charity, and I don't know more than one or two people in my school who do, but my point was why can't people focus on them rather than the hoodies.

The median age of those that have taken part in premarital sex has dropped 3 years in the past half-century. Those that have taken drugs ever have increased from 30% to 40% of people in 20 years. Am I blaming it on the year 1993? No. But I am saying that there is a worrying decline. Then again, maybe many people may think premarital sex is okay, so it isn't an issue.
I admit the drugs thing is bad, but what is wrong with pre-marital sex? Like my RE teacher said; "Try before you buy". Although if you are talking about the median dropping under 16 I can see where you are coming from.