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chadgraphix
May 5th, 2010, 8:24 PM
Today, at my school, five guys decided to wear shirts with American Flags on them. They said they did this to show their patriotism, and we're believed to want to start a fight. They all had to leave school for this. It became so "dramatic" that it'll even be on the news later.

Read more here: http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/265402-five-lohs-students-sent-home-for-wearing-american-flag-t-shirts


Discuss. :D

Spinor
May 5th, 2010, 8:29 PM
Those arse bags were begging for a ****ing Mexican War II. You can read through people's minds without a super power and 10,000 miles away nowadays.

.Gamer
May 5th, 2010, 8:59 PM
Remember the Alamo.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/lsj/images/alamo.jpg

Lol @ arse bags. Honestly, who cares? They are just young kids acting dumb trying to get attention. On the bright side, they got the day off of school, I would have done it too for the day off.

ANARCHit3cht
May 5th, 2010, 9:01 PM
I kinduh celebrated Cinco De Mayo on the second. We had this big thing down at the park(our town) I just hung out, listened to music, and talked to some people.


As for the people wearing the American Flag... what jokes. It is no mere coincidence that they'd wear those shirts today... someone needs to set them straight..

Yusshin
May 5th, 2010, 9:03 PM
"We just wanted to show our pride."

My ass.

Seriously, you choose that day to wear the flag to school? It's obvious they had bad intentions :| Pride my butt, they wanted to start a fight.

donavannj
May 5th, 2010, 9:09 PM
Well, they clearly were trying to start something by doing that in a school with such a high level of diversity. I have no problems with them wearing the shirts, but I do have issues with what is a blatant attempt to incite a riot among those students of Mexican heritage.

.Gamer
May 5th, 2010, 9:09 PM
Maybe they were just trying to show their pride and it was bad timing? You guys are judging them too harshly.



Also, who the hell still wears american flag shirts anyway though? Seriously, its the most unpleasing flag to look at from an aesthetics point of view. Its not symetrical, how can you wear that in public? Maybe they were sent home because flag shirts are ugly.

chadgraphix
May 5th, 2010, 9:10 PM
By the way, if you knew these guys like I do, you would know they definitely had BAD intentions.

.Gamer
May 5th, 2010, 9:13 PM
By the way, if you knew these guys like I do, you would know they definitely had BAD intentions.


I still think its funny though. They trolled in real life, and it worked. Props to them for successfully trolling.

jon328
May 5th, 2010, 9:16 PM
Maybe they were just trying to show their pride and it was bad timing? You guys are judging them too harshly.





i REALLY doubt that. they were probably thinking that they would be cool to do it

donavannj
May 5th, 2010, 9:21 PM
Also, who the hell still wears american flag shirts anyway though? Seriously, its the most unpleasing flag to look at from an aesthetics point of view. Its not symetrical, how can you wear that in public? Maybe they were sent home because flag shirts are ugly.


I can think of a few (thousand) people. It's also not as bad as you make it sound. It's also not alone in not being symmetrical amongst flags.

TziporaBatBinyamin
May 6th, 2010, 8:10 AM
Its all to do with Poltical Correctness.

Its happened here in the UK loads of times. A library in Scotland got took to take its national flag down inside, because an immigrant(sp?) said it offended him.

You cant show your support for your country without being told to stop because It might offend others who moved to your country, dont like there and want to change everything...


Sorry for the rant.

FreakyLocz14
May 6th, 2010, 9:04 AM
Political corectness is a nice way of saying anti-1st Amendment.
These students have rights. These rights have been upheld since the 1960's when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld students right to wear controversial anti-war gear to school as being protected under the 1st Amendment. There is no doubt that wearing such things were offensive to others.
The same goes with these students. The school district deserves to be sued for their violation of these student's constitutional rights. The 1st Amendment protects them BUT it also protects those who were offended's right to make a statement back.

Whatever their intenions were in wearing the shirts are not the issue. This issue is that the 1st Amendment right to freedom of expression was violated that day.

A bit of opinion here, Cinco De Mayo is for Mexican-AMERICANS which means they should be proud to support the American flag just as much as they are proud to support the Mexican flag, being a Mexican-American myself.

Yusshin
May 6th, 2010, 9:04 AM
The fact it's in California is funny. Technically that's Mexican land, and the Mexicans there shouldn't be labeled "immigrants" since the land was stolen from them / bought at a ridiculous price.

It is obvious that these students just wanted to piss people off, though. They should've had some integrity and thought: "Why am I doing this? It's a Mexican Pride day. Will this offend someone?"

Nan, they were just thinking: "I'm'a piss dem Mexicans off! HARHAR!"

>>

.Gamer
May 6th, 2010, 10:01 AM
<+reyscarface> et, contrary to popular belief, we dont celebrate cinco de mayo here in mexico

Reyscarface is a mexican kid who is on smogon. apparently they don't celebrate it in mexico. i though that was kinda funny.

Esper
May 6th, 2010, 10:41 AM
The fact it's in California is funny. Technically that's Mexican land, and the Mexicans there shouldn't be labeled "immigrants" since the land was stolen from them / bought at a ridiculous price.
If you want to be technical it's not Mexican land either since Spain stole it from its original inhabitants.

Those kids have the right to be asses, but it doesn't mean it was right for them to be asses.

mondays suck
May 6th, 2010, 11:50 AM
If here in Germany some people would talk about "german pride" or something like that, they would probably go to prison, even without offending other ethnical groups.
...at least theoretically, because practically it looks more like the law doesn't quite have nationalism and neonazism under control. Seriously, our highest court of justice isn't even able to forbid the Nazi party's successor party (who have grown pretty strong in the recent years in economically weak areas... just like back then)

chadgraphix
May 6th, 2010, 12:19 PM
This is turning into a big media circus in my city. There's easily 30 cops outside (wearing bulletproof vests), 5 news cars, and several people are going home. There's a huge riot of people, and I left home early because I felt uncomfortable.

FreakyLocz14
May 6th, 2010, 4:00 PM
This is turning into a big media circus in my city. There's easily 30 cops outside (wearing bulletproof vests), 5 news cars, and several people are going home. There's a huge riot of people, and I left home early because I felt uncomfortable.

I'd expect that in Morgan Hill. I felt some racial tension when I lived there.

.Gamer
May 6th, 2010, 5:33 PM
So I was thinking about this today, and my family and I were talking about it and such because we have boring dinner conversations, and isn't this technically a free speech violation? Its kinda like the black armbands from the 70s, but reverse.

Tinhead Bruce
May 6th, 2010, 6:10 PM
So I was thinking about this today, and my family and I were talking about it and such because we have boring dinner conversations, and isn't this technically a free speech violation? Its kinda like the black armbands from the 70s, but reverse.

Reverse how? In Tinker v. Des Moines they were taken out of school for "disturbing the peace" as well. Unless you mean that in the Tinker case the protesting was considered an "anti-American sentiment", while these boys were suspended for the opposite. I suppose that how you mean reverse.

An interesting piece of trivia: the sister and brother of a family friend of ours are Mary Beth and John Tinker, two of the children from the case.

As for my opinion on the issue, I just feel that while it seems they were wearing it to be obnoxious, celebrating America on Cinco de Mayo is not infringing on others' rights. Waving Mexican flags is in support of one group exclusively: Mexicans. Sporting American flags isn't supporting "white" people, it's celebrating all Americans, which whether they like or not, these Mexican-American students are. You want to celebrate Mexican pride, fine, but getting offended and angry when someone, whether out of malicious intent or not, celebrates American pride is just helping to reinforce self-perpetuating segregation. So my ultimate view is that these boys should be chastised for intentionally trying to get the Mexican-American students riled up, if that is in fact what they were doing, but I don't feel that sending them home from school was the appropriate action. I'm sure this will turn into another big issue that creates even bigger racial divisions, which is certainly not what we need.

Yamikarasu
May 6th, 2010, 7:35 PM
When I saw this on the news where I live, I was like "WTF? Why shouldn't they be able to wear an American flag?" But reading the article and reading the comments I'm sure there is something more to the story. Probably just a bunch of bigots getting antsy about all the Mexicans in their town.

If there was a legitimate reason to think that the kids might have started a fight, then the principal had every reason to send them home. It's no different then wearing some sort of gang paraphernalia, given the context and the situation.

Aureol
May 6th, 2010, 8:31 PM
Those kids have the right to be asses, but it doesn't mean it was right for them to be asses.

Pretty much how this situation should've been handled. They had the right to wear the shirts, albeit it was pretty rude to wear it that day. But, if I had known the school would throw me out for wearing that shirt, I would wear it in a heartbeat. Nothing aggravates me more than others telling me what I can't do. I'm not out to put the Mexicans down, but at the same time they get to celebrate their freedoms, so I'll celebrate mine.

FreakyLocz14
May 6th, 2010, 8:47 PM
Solution: Sue school district. Constitutional violations should NEVER be tolerated. The school even admitted that they would be allowed to wear those shirts on any other day of the year, meaning they are not considered gang, hate, or otherwise inappropriate clothing. Their absence was recorded as unexcused. The school should change it to excused because it was their violation of the student's constitutional rights the caused them to leave.

I am a Mexican-American. I am as proud to be an American as I am to be a Mexican.

chadgraphix
May 6th, 2010, 9:20 PM
I hate my school, this is so messed up. and the guys who did this are such jerks it doesn't even matter.

Gary, the Magic Fairy
May 6th, 2010, 9:21 PM
Anyone complaining about an American Flag being shown in America is just an idiot. Sure it was obviously an attempt to get a reaction, but that doesn't really change anything. If they actually started a fight, then that should be the reason given for having them leave, not what clothes they were wearing.

It's not an anti-American holiday, a flag isn't going against anything being celebrated.

Netto Azure
May 6th, 2010, 10:48 PM
Today, at my school, five guys decided to wear shirts with American Flags on them. They said they did this to show their patriotism, and we're believed to want to start a fight. They all had to leave school for this. It became so "dramatic" that it'll even be on the news later.

Read more here: http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/265402-five-lohs-students-sent-home-for-wearing-american-flag-t-shirts


Discuss. :D


Pfft. It WAS on the news earlier. It became fodder to the whole immigration debate just because. :P

TziporaBatBinyamin
May 7th, 2010, 9:55 AM
I see it this way... Unless your a native American, then your an immigrant. It was native American land long before it was French, Spanish and British colonies, which became The United States of America

Kenpari
May 7th, 2010, 12:13 PM
Dammit who cares about Cinco De Mayo. This is the United States of America and if we want to wear an American flag, then so be it. I'm all for equality and whatnot but you can't get somebody in trouble for support their country. I don't care if a fight breaks out, send those people home. Screw it.