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Umbreon_
May 8th, 2010, 06:10 AM
Do you agree to the fact that plastic surgeries makes you/someone/ proud? What do you think?

Discuss. x.x

Bluerang1
May 8th, 2010, 07:37 AM
I don't know. I need to ask my Church people to make a decision whether it's right or wrong :P I want my nose fixed, nostrils are too big D: But I do think it's good for some, like on Extreme Makeover and that, it gives them the confidence they didn't have before.

Bayo
May 8th, 2010, 07:53 AM
Plastic surgery is revolting. People should just be happy with who they are and how they look.
I've nothing against Michael Jackson, but plastic surgery completely messed up his look.

OokamiShipper
May 8th, 2010, 08:25 AM
There are some people who really do need it (and not because they think they're ugly, people who need it because that certain flaw is giving them problems, or something like that), but all in all, I don't think plastic surgery is really necessary. Because, number 1, it's like saying you're not enough for yourself, it's like putting yourself down, number 2, it hurts, number 3, it's expensive. :/

Gumball Watterson
May 8th, 2010, 08:41 AM
Really, who needs plastic surgery when you've got cosmetics? :D

...People that suffer fires. I think only them are people that should think about plastic surgery. Nobody wants burn scars forever. It's pretty sad, you know. :(

Cassino
May 8th, 2010, 09:01 AM
Reconstructive surgery is good, or something that's otherwise necessary for one's health, but if all one wants is per example a bigger pair of breasts then I'm not really seeing the point.

Sneeze
May 8th, 2010, 10:40 AM
I have no issue with it, if it's some really huge problem that's affecting a persons life, be it directly or indirectly then I have no problem, even if it is a bit vain and all about appearance, if its boosts their confidence or otherwise improves a person's life, why not?

It only really becomes a problem when people get to obsessive, decreasing the size of your ears by 3 millimetres or whatever. Even then its your body and your money do as you please, just don't expect sympathy from me when your lips look like they transplanted from a horse.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
May 8th, 2010, 10:51 AM
If you can't accept your looks as is, you have low confidence in yourself. :/

But reconstructive surgery is alright. I mean, some people get messed up by things and don't want to go around with half a face. That's understandable.

Rich Boy Rob
May 8th, 2010, 11:57 AM
It's your body right? Why shouldn't you be allowed to make yourself look better? If you have a huge nose and want reduced, great. If you want bigger boobs, I'm happy for you (and your boy/girlfriend ;)).

Timbjerr
May 8th, 2010, 12:12 PM
For the people that get cosmetic surgery responsibly, it's more of a confidence thing than a vanity thing, and that's all fine and well. It's the stereotyped valley girl wannabes that do it just to be as vain as possible that irk me. >_>

SIN1488
May 8th, 2010, 12:42 PM
I think if someone has some serious things like something that happened to their face during an accident, a fire, or are born that way, then plastic surgery is ok. But if someone wants to get plastic surgery because they think it will make them more "beautiful", the need to get plastic surgery from plastic explosives or something........ Okay, maybe not that extreme but it's ridiculous.

Somewhat young people don't need plastic surgery because they already look fine, and old people don't need plastic surgery because they are supposed to look gross and old, that's how you know they are wise. :D

Every one of those 60%+ plastic celebrities look so disgusting, why would they do that?

And on a similar subject, implants, don't even get me started on those.... XD

The Cynic
May 8th, 2010, 12:51 PM
Yes if it gives people the confidence they wouldn't have had before. Can you honestly say there isn't something about yourself you'd change if you could? It's just a shame that people place so much emphasis on looks when it comes to self-esteem. But it's a raw animal instinct we cannot fight.

诶伊艾诶豆诶维伊
May 8th, 2010, 12:57 PM
no, they don't make you proud.

what makes you proud is that A+ on your test, or that nice 'good morning' you gave to some one, and your personality

Esper
May 8th, 2010, 09:34 PM
It's something that anyone considering it should think long and hard about, like when getting a tattoo or getting married. Obviously when you haven't thought much about it it will show. I've seen a couple of bad tattoos and bad marriages and I could tell there hadn't been as much planning as there should have been. Still, it's a personal choice.

People who look down on others for getting plastic surgery without knowing the reasons they get it are just as vain as their image of the people they're criticizing.

Also, think a moment of people who are transgendered before making sweeping comments.

RuRuBell
May 8th, 2010, 09:37 PM
I don't see a problem with it. It's their body. If it makes them feel good, that's great for them. For some people, confidence comes naturally. Others need to have fake boobs to feel good. Whatever works for them.

Honestly, I don't think it's worth the money, though.

Aureol
May 8th, 2010, 09:37 PM
If you can't accept your looks as is, you have low confidence in yourself. :/

But reconstructive surgery is alright. I mean, some people get messed up by things and don't want to go around with half a face. That's understandable.

I agree completely. I'm pretty put off by people who take plastic surgery just because they thought they didn't look good in the first place (then again, I'm not shallow, so others might care about looks more), but it's pretty unrealistic to expect someone to go through life with half your chest or something.

Amaruuk
May 9th, 2010, 05:39 AM
There are some people who really do need it (and not because they think they're ugly, people who need it because that certain flaw is giving them problems, or something like that), but all in all, I don't think plastic surgery is really necessary. Because, number 1, it's like saying you're not enough for yourself, it's like putting yourself down, number 2, it hurts, number 3, it's expensive. :/

I agree 100%.

Really, who needs plastic surgery when you've got cosmetics? :D

Frankly I think cosmetics are pretty much the same thing in my book, minus the pain and the expense (although it's still a waste of money). Really it's the same with any other "give us your money and we'll make you 'look better'" service like tanning salons. Bunch of extraneous BS if you ask me. Why don't more people just be their natural selves?

Zorua
May 9th, 2010, 07:41 AM
At times some of us feel the strong desire to alter our appearance and that desire manifests into reality, thus becoming an actual desire for surgery to alter our very appearance or a certain aspect of ourselves.

I'm neutral on this. If someone's not happy with the way that they look, what right do we have to stop them from achieving plastic surgery? Put it this way, if we wanted to look better with facial care products and hair care products, is it not right and/or moral for us to achieve those things as it would if someone were to get plastic surgery?

Sure, plastic surgery is different. With natural care products, you're just altering your appearance, but you're still keeping that same appearance; you're just making a certain aspect of you stand out more. With plastic surgery, these changes become just about permanent, and dare I say, the changes are "fake" because essentially those are not the features that one was born with.

But I guess, if they feel happy that way, then they should.

Druid
May 9th, 2010, 03:48 PM
It's not about how someone looks, it's about who they are. Of course, that doesn't work for everyone. A lot of people judge others on how they look, and if someone doesn't like the way they're being judged and bought plastic surgery I'm happy that they found confidence somewhere else. In my opinion, it doesn't make someone "proud" at all, or at least not "proud" in the definition you meant. I wouldn't get it myself, but that's because I agree with the first sentence. XP

On the subject of reconstructive surgery, I actually think it should be provided by most insurance and health care plans. Again, though, as long as the damage isn't too severe, I'd live my life with a scar.

Saltare.
May 9th, 2010, 04:32 PM
I agree with getting plastic surgery because of a facial deoformity or something like that.

But I really don't get why you need to get plastic surgery to make someone else happy...

Yusshin
May 9th, 2010, 06:57 PM
Only if something bad happened, like a full-face burn or something. Otherwise, it's revolting, disgusting, and abnormal. Fake boobs, noses, etc. is just showing that you're self-conscious, and overall, ridiculous and stupid.

^ That's what I think.

Melody
May 9th, 2010, 07:22 PM
I agree with Yu-chan.

Only people who are super self-conscious elect to have this kind of surgery. Now if it's a serious deformity, then it's perfectly fine...otherwise, it should be strongly discouraged.

I'm not against breast reduction, but breast enhancements ought to be banned. x3

Tinhead Bruce
May 9th, 2010, 07:23 PM
I don't see a problem with it. It's their body. If it makes them feel good, that's great for them. For some people, confidence comes naturally. Others need to have fake boobs to feel good. Whatever works for them.

I agree. It's their money, and it's their problem if they don't like the result. It's not my responsibility to care if they feel bad about their looks, and it's not my job to feel sorry for them if something goes awry. If you really care about how someone else looks, someone who you may not be interacting with day to day, or even if you are, someone other than maybe your spouse, you need to get over yourself. Worry about yourself (I would say worry about yourself first, but frankly it's not your job to worry about others' looks period). Maybe I'm just tired of people actually caring about things that they have no right to care about.

Guillermo
May 9th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Yeah, I really see no problem with plastic surgery. Who are we to judge someone else for doing something to their body? It doesn't affect us in any way at all. If you want it to make yourself look prettier, I really don't see the point in that to begin with, though. I mean, we're all going to grow old and decay at some point, so why delay the inevitable?

Cherrim
May 10th, 2010, 06:21 AM
I'm actually very surprised at the amount of comments saying "it's their money, they can do what they want with it [and I won't judge]". I expected to be in the vast minority with my post. :|

But anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on plastic surgery. I think I used to but now I don't see it as any different than buying a ton of makeup to cover areas that "need improvement". If someone has the money and will to "fix" something permanently, go for it. :/ It's still money being spent on the economy. And honestly? Not everyone who gets plastic surgery does it frivolously.

And to all those saying "people should feel good in their natural bodies because it's wrong to change that". Yeah, well, they don't. If they did feel good, they wouldn't get plastic surgery. :/ I do feel that other options should be explored first buuuut if it's just the one thing, they have the means to do it, and it fixes some huge self-esteem issue, I don't personally have a problem. It's their life, their body, and their money and their decision to make. I wouldn't judge someone for deciding to eat at McDonald's over going to a health food store. :/ May not be physically best for them in the end but it's their decision and it honestly has nothing to do with me.

(Of course, things like breast reduction or facial reconstruction for those who need it for obvious medical reasons goes without saying--that should be fine and without social stigma no matter what. o_O)

Amaruuk
May 10th, 2010, 08:05 AM
And to all those saying "people should feel good in their natural bodies because it's wrong to change that". Yeah, well, they don't.

I just want to point out that my earlier statement about people 'being their natural selves' wasn't meant as 'it's wrong to change it and no one should ever do that'. People will do what people will do, but I'm simply of the opinion that all that stuff is kinda silly.

There's a difference between simply disagreeing with something and thinking of it as something that's 'wrong' or 'unacceptable'.

Cherrim
May 10th, 2010, 08:36 AM
I just want to point out that my earlier statement about people 'being their natural selves' wasn't meant as 'it's wrong to change it and no one should ever do that'. People will do what people will do, but I'm simply of the opinion that all that stuff is kinda silly.

There's a difference between simply disagreeing with something and thinking of it as something that's 'wrong' or 'unacceptable'.
Ah, that part wasn't directed at you (or anyone specifically). D: (Though I can see how it seems it might've been.) I actually liked your post because you stuck by your opinion that altering the body shouldn't be done rather than (imo, hypocritcally) saying that it's okay to temporarily alter your looks with makeup but it's bad to do permanent changes. :|

I'm kind of pointing my reply more toward the people who outright say that others who have plastic surgery are stupid/silly. I'm fine with those who merely disagree but judging/condemning others for their personal choices (relating to THEIR body/money?)... that ticks me off. :/ What they do can be silly (in one's opinion) but that doesn't outright mean that they ARE silly or that their reasons for doing it are entirely superficial, vapid, or stupid. And that's the vibe I get from a lot of people when this sort of thing comes up.

hiphiphippo
May 10th, 2010, 01:32 PM
Sometimes, we feel the strong desire to alter our appearance and that desire manifests into reality, thus becoming an actual desire for surgery to alter our very appearance or a certain aspect of ourselves.

I'm neutral on this. If someone's not happy with the way that they look, what right do we have to stop them from achieving plastic surgery? Put it this way, if we wanted to look better with facial care products and hair care products, is it not right and/or moral for us to achieve those things as it would if someone were to get plastic surgery?

Sure, plastic surgery is different. With natural care products, you're just altering your appearance, but you're still keeping that same appearance; you're just making a certain aspect of you stand out more. With plastic surgery, these changes become just about permanent, and dare I say, the changes are "fake" because essentially those are not the features that one was born with.

But I guess, if they feel happy that way, then they should.

i agree with this.

i suppose it's fine as long as it's something minor that actually makes the person look better, and the person doesnt go over-the-top
still, the person should really think it through - see if it'll look good, if it's necessary, and if they'll regret it or not

ANARCHit3cht
May 10th, 2010, 01:38 PM
I used to think plastic surgery was wrong... but now... I am okay with it. People could have varied reasons to get plastic surgery. I won't judge them because they didn't like something about their body. There is, however, being excessive about it, and using it for every minor flaw/imperfection. I might actually get it, to make my belly button an innie, if at all possible without making it look really bad. So... yeah. Live and let live.

Aureol
May 10th, 2010, 02:57 PM
I'm kind of pointing my reply more toward the people who outright say that others who have plastic surgery are stupid/silly. I'm fine with those who merely disagree but judging/condemning others for their personal choices (relating to THEIR body/money?)... that ticks me off. :/ What they do can be silly (in one's opinion) but that doesn't outright mean that they ARE silly or that their reasons for doing it are entirely superficial, vapid, or stupid. And that's the vibe I get from a lot of people when this sort of thing comes up.

What are the reasons, then? Plastic surgery says that your body isn't good enough, and I think it's silly to try and "fix" it. What kind of people have surgery? Not those that are confident in the fact that they can live as who they are. Heck, I have an older brother that has almost a third of his face in melted skin because of a house fire, but instead of changing his body he accepted it as a part of who he was.

Now, he's a bit extreme. I hardly expect others in similar situations to accept their melted face and move on, but I do think that those that don't have such abnormalities are really silly. Are they stupid, vain, superficial, etc? No.

I don't think any less of a person that has gone through surgery as far as intelligence and other irrelevant factors. But I do question their confidence and ability to cope with things that might be unfair (such as the way they look). It is their personal decision, but it is also my personal decision in how I view the person and understand their choices (so long as I don't attack them or anything). It's not condemning any more than anyone would condemn others for their decisions: if I decided to work as a janitor for the rest of my life instead of going to college, it's my decision, but others have the right to develop an idea of what kind of person I am, so long as they weren't malicious in any way towards me, and there would be things they would not like to do with me (I probably wouldn't get married easily because I might have trouble making a living, etc.).

Am I gonna go protest against surgery? No. Am I going to harp on people after they have done it? No. Am I going to discourage it before it's too late? Yes.

Amaruuk
May 11th, 2010, 05:27 AM
Ah, that part wasn't directed at you (or anyone specifically). D: (Though I can see how it seems it might've been.) I actually liked your post because you stuck by your opinion that altering the body shouldn't be done rather than (imo, hypocritcally) saying that it's okay to temporarily alter your looks with makeup but it's bad to do permanent changes. :|

Ah, I had a feeling it was more of just a general thing (you don't seem the type to single people out), but I had to make sure X3

Yeah, I happen to be fine with who I am, and though there are some things about my appearance I'm not terribly fond of, I can't be bothered to do anything about it (mostly 'cause I find it tedious and not worth the time/money).

PkMnTrainer Yellow
May 11th, 2010, 05:51 AM
I think there are plenty of valid reasons for it. Perhaps there should be a point where someone asking for plastic surgery can be said no to, such as if they're going overboard.

Billy Mays Barbeque Sauce
May 21st, 2010, 05:52 PM
I'm against plastic surgery.

In my religion, we are all created in God's image, and we are all beautiful in his eyes. I've seen women get breast implants, and they just....they are just nauseating. To think a woman actually takes her breast size seriously. Not to mention the other gooey, plastic-y things you can put into yourself.

Sorry, a bit of a Christian moment.

Yuukihime
May 21st, 2010, 06:04 PM
Reconstructive surgery is good, or something that's otherwise necessary for one's health, but if all one wants is per example a bigger pair of breasts then I'm not really seeing the point.

This.

If you feel the need to enlarge your breasts then it just means your not probably very happy with yourself in the first place :/

Harley Quinn
May 21st, 2010, 08:38 PM
I simply see it as if it's used to make them feel better about themselves or for health reasons, go ahead. No one is stopping you, provided everything goes right, it's for a better you.

Guillermo
May 22nd, 2010, 04:15 AM
I'm against plastic surgery.

In my religion, we are all created in God's image, and we are all beautiful in his eyes. I've seen women get breast implants, and they just....they are just nauseating. To think a woman actually takes her breast size seriously. Not to mention the other gooey, plastic-y things you can put into yourself.

Sorry, a bit of a Christian moment.
Believing someone that may or may not exist doesn't help you in real life, really. It doesn't. You might believe God thinks everyone is beautiful, and that's great, I have nothing against that, but the fact of the matter is that whether he does or not, it's not going to get you a job, supply a family and overall make a better life for the individual.

Billy Mays Barbeque Sauce
May 22nd, 2010, 05:19 AM
Believing someone that may or may not exist doesn't help you in real life, really. It doesn't. You might believe God thinks everyone is beautiful, and that's great, I have nothing against that, but the fact of the matter is that whether he does or not, it's not going to get you a job, supply a family and overall make a better life for the individual.

If you need a better looking body part to get a job or marry, you need a different job or boyfriend.

Reconstructive surgery is fine. And liposuction, if you really need it.

Guillermo
May 22nd, 2010, 05:21 AM
If you need a better looking body part to get a job or marry, you need a different job or boyfriend.

Reconstructive surgery is fine. And liposuction, if you really need it.
Okay, your face was severely burnt in a fire. You apply for a job where you're going to be around and civilising with people. Are you going to get it? God no. Humans are too cruel to allow that.

No one should *need* Liposuction. People shouldn't allow themselves to get that big in the first place. Besides, if you got Lipo, then you would have stretchy skin afterward and then you would need to get that cut and stapled.

Neurotripsy
May 22nd, 2010, 04:06 PM
If someone's so unhappy with themselves that plastic surgery is the only way to remedy it, then I'm all for it (though IMO they shouldn't have to put up with feeling that way, particularly if it was other people's nasty comments that shaped their opinion of themselves).

I'm not at all knowledgeable on the procedures carried out before & after plastic surgery is performed, but if they don't do it already I think the patient should have a psychiatrist's evaluation to make sure it isn't something like Body Dysmorphic Disorder, since that can be treated without taking the drastic step of surgery.

I HEART MEGA HITT
May 22nd, 2010, 04:43 PM
I think Plastic surgery should be available to people who have birth defects. It can benefit them because they may have something that is affecting their life so plastic surgery would help the fix it. D:

But to get plastic surgery just to make your nose smaller or increase your breast size... to me, is a way of trying to get unneeded attention. There really isn't any reason for it.

Ayselipera
May 23rd, 2010, 06:17 AM
If you have the money and you want it then sure, knock yourself out. I mean yes I have seen people who have gotten plastic surgery who didn't really need it, but in the end they came out happy and I think that's the most important part of all of this. While I know it's not the best idea to build confidence through strictly looks I realize that that's how most people think and I don't think that will change anytime soon.

Also their are times when plastic surgery is essentially needed. They're people who have disfigurements who truly need it. Which I hope no one is against. Probably one of the more controversial uses of plastic surgery would be for sex changes, but I don't have a problem with that either. I would imagine there is a lot of pain involved with feeling as though you are living within the wrong body and like I've said before if the turn out is happiness then so be it.

sgspacemonkey
May 24th, 2010, 06:35 AM
I'm strongly against plastic surgery, but if someone has the money to do it, it's not like it's goiung to affect me personally, I just wouldn't have it for myself. It does make me cringe though when you get little girls saving pocket money up for boob jobs or whatever. Todays world is too image obsessed and it's amazing how much better you can look just by changing your hair and clothes without having to take drastic measures.

Talli
May 24th, 2010, 10:53 AM
May I say that I think Plastic surgery is wrong. You should be pround of what you were born with.