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Umbreon_
May 10th, 2010, 03:21 AM
Teenage pregnancy / pregnancy without getting married? What do you think?

Discuss~

like a virgin, touch for the very first time

Reginaldvonburger
May 10th, 2010, 03:25 AM
If they can handle it, if they have the money and if they're prepared then it's fine.

Izanagi
May 10th, 2010, 03:55 AM
I don't think it's good at all. Fornication's a sin by my book.

Reginaldvonburger
May 10th, 2010, 03:56 AM
I don't see the problem with pre-marital sex. It's up to each individual when and who they want to do it with.

Binary
May 10th, 2010, 04:20 AM
I think pregnancy before marriage isn't so good. Pre-marital sex is fine but you should always use contraceptive devices. But, if the couple rally want something like that and can take care of everything, I don't see any major problem.

Reginaldvonburger
May 10th, 2010, 05:09 AM
I don't see why people should have to be married to have a baby to be honest. Some people don't want to pay thousands for a piece of paper saying that if they divorce their other half she gets half his money.

Izanagi
May 10th, 2010, 05:11 AM
If they're worried about divorce, they shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

The Cynic
May 10th, 2010, 05:15 AM
If they can handle it, if they have the money and if they're prepared then it's fine.

I don't see the problem with pre-marital sex. It's up to each individual when and who they want to do it with.

I don't see why people should have to be married to have a baby to be honest. Some people don't want to pay thousands for a piece of paper saying that if they divorce their other half she gets half his money.

I agree with her on all the above statements. Marriage is not at all necessary for parenthood.

Sneeze
May 10th, 2010, 05:25 AM
If both parties are consenting and mature enough why not? I don't see why you need a legal document to make you "allowed" to do something that comes to all animals on the planet naturally.

Reginaldvonburger
May 10th, 2010, 05:32 AM
Another point I thought I should make.
Gay couples adopt babies, in many American states they aren't allowed to be wed. Is it wrong for them to want to be parents as well?

Animals don't have to have a wedding to have babies or sex.

Izanagi
May 10th, 2010, 05:35 AM
1. I don't think homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, because I don't believe in homosexual relations period. No offence intended.

2. But we're not animals :/

Spinor
May 10th, 2010, 05:53 AM
Look, Science is logic. Humans are animals -_-

Now, I see absolutely nothing wrong with protected sex before marriage. Of course, pregnancy is a different thing. If you want to be pregnant you have to be sure that you are economically stable and responsible. Marriage is not really necessary for that. Although yes, it would be recommendable depending on religion and government.

And homosexual couples have nothing to do with this topic XD

Izanagi
May 10th, 2010, 05:55 AM
I don't know about you, but I'm no animal. But that's a different discussion.

Spinor
May 10th, 2010, 06:08 AM
A parrot has the abilit to talk, is it not an animal? Monkeys and dogs have intelligence, they're still animals. What exempts humans from the animal kingdom? Intelligence, technology, and self-destruction are no excuse.

Reginaldvonburger
May 10th, 2010, 06:23 AM
Humans are animals.
Personally I think what "humans" class as "animals" are better than ourselves. Animals never had a war.

And homosexual couples have something to do with this thread, as they can adopt children in states that they cannot marry.

Plus homosexuality is found in 60,000 animals species and I have dated more women than I have men so, clearly they exist, therefore, you can't NOT believe in them.

Chibi-chan
May 10th, 2010, 06:29 AM
Let's keep this topic on a matter of maturity and pregnancy rather than the act of sex or any of that business there, okay? Just fyi, I'll be monitoring this thread.

The Cynic
May 10th, 2010, 06:32 AM
A parrot has the abilit to talk, is it not an animal? Monkeys and dogs have intelligence, they're still animals. What exempts humans from the animal kingdom? Intelligence, technology, and self-destruction are no excuse.

BTW, Parrots cannot talk they can only imitate sounds. The rest of your point is solid though, humans are merely animals.

I don't know about you, but I'm no animal. But that's a different discussion.

Yes you are.

Humans are animals.
Personally I think what "humans" class as "animals" are better than ourselves. Animals never had a war.

Actually, baboons, and other animals, have been known to wage war against their own species in order to aquire food, territory etc.

This article will explain: http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8400000/8400019.stm

Now let's get back on topic before the Mods make us.

EDIT: looks like they already have!

Blue Nocturne
May 10th, 2010, 06:44 AM
Teenage pregnancy is entirely dependent on the situation. If the person has decided thats definitely the route she wants to take in life and she is mentally mature enough to handle pregnancy and motherhood, as well as having the correct resources for a child, then why not, although having all three of those things seems unlikely. On a personal level, I wouldnt want to be a father until at least 30, because that will give me the time to do all the other things in life other than create; even then it wouldn't be a priority for me.

As for Teenage Sex in general, I dont have much of a problem with that, but once again i would stress that both parties should be emotionally prepared for it.

Sex and pregnancy without marriage? I dont see any moral, emotional or physical reason why marriage is necessary for sex. Although, once again I think that the couple should be financially ready and responsible. What difference is there between having sex and having sex with a certificate in a cupboard somewhere?

Rich Boy Rob
May 10th, 2010, 07:34 AM
I don't see why people should have to be married to have a baby to be honest. Some people don't want to pay thousands for a piece of paper saying that if they divorce their other half she gets half his money.

I don't see the problem with pre-marital sex. It's up to each individual when and who they want to do it with.

If they can handle it, if they have the money and if they're prepared then it's fine.



I agree with her on all the above statements. Marriage is not at all necessary for parenthood.

This. To be honest I think marriage is an outdated idea, I mean what's the difference between being partners and being partners with a slip of paper saying you are married.

As for teen pregnancy, I think that if she wishes to keep it then that is fine, but I personally would say that an abortion is the best idea, as having a child that early would restrict your future dramatically.

I don't know about you, but I'm no animal. But that's a different discussion.
As for this. What exactly sets us apart from animals in your opinion then?
Intelligence? If that's so why can apes and crows use tools just like we (as a genus) did?
Warfare? Animals battle over territory just as much as we do, except we do it on a larger scale.
Souls? Well I don't believe we have souls/spirits anyway, so you know
What else is there to set us apart?

Timbjerr
May 10th, 2010, 08:20 AM
Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.

I dunno, it might just be because I'm asexual personally, but I strongly feel that Lust is considered a deadly sin while Chastity is considered a heavenly virtue for a reason.

BTW, for those debating the marriage thing, I don't think the traditional views revolve around the article of paper itself, but more or less the love and devotion to one another that real married couples share. This is why such examples without an official marriage certificate are often called Common Law Marriages.

Izanagi
May 10th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D

Rich Boy Rob
May 10th, 2010, 08:43 AM
Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.


I don't think you need to be in love to have sex as it can be recreational thing, but I agree that underage teenagers aren't mature enough to raise a child. However as long as contraceptive is used I don't see why people who are 16 or over shouldn't have sex. People who want children when they're 18 should be be free to do so, but I personally don't want kids until I'm 30+.

Magik?!
May 10th, 2010, 08:59 AM
Teenage pregnancy is entirely dependent on the situation. If the person has decided thats definitely the route she wants to take in life and she is mentally mature enough to handle pregnancy and motherhood, as well as having the correct resources for a child, then why not, although having all three of those things seems unlikely. On a personal level, I wouldnt want to be a father until at least 30, because that will give me the time to do all the other things in life other than create; even then it wouldn't be a priority for me.

As for Teenage Sex in general, I dont have much of a problem with that, but once again i would stress that both parties should be emotionally prepared for it.

Sex and pregnancy without marriage? I dont see any moral, emotional or physical reason why marriage is necessary for sex. Although, once again I think that the couple should be financially ready and responsible. What difference is there between having sex and having sex with a certificate in a cupboard somewhere?

tl;dr version of what I'm about to say: I agree with this person.

I come from an upbringing and stuff where I don't even approve of marriage, I think that it is a pointless act - if you're going to be with someone for all your life, you will, regardless of whether you have a ring and a piece of paper to say so. Marriage these days is becoming more pointless, with the divorce rate getting higher and the costs of divorce getting lower. Who's to say that the person you have a kid with is gonna want to be around you forever? Some people say that the way marriage is becoming is a bad thing, but I believe it's better, people are more free to do what they wish which, from my observations, leads to happier people.

I also know a lot of people who have single parents, and in my experiences, they're closer to their parents than the ones who have both around the whole time. So I don't think that you even need to have both parents to raise a child (though that depends on the situation and stuff). I don't see why having a child before marriage is such a big problem, I don't even plan to get married but I still want children when I'm older, so yeah, I'll be having kids before I'm married I guess.

As for teenage pregnancy, I actually disapprove pretty strongly. If they're below 16, I think it's awful, after that I guess it depends on what type of person they are and what they want to do. I know one of my friends is 17 and she would be happy to get married next year and have kids and stuff, but that's because all she's wanted is a family and she never really had any big dreams or anything, so for her to have kids at 17-20 wouldn't spoil her life or whatever - it's what she's been planning for. I know a lot of other people who want to go to university and get a good job or travel and broaden their horizons before having kids, so for them to get pregnant would ruin that for them. I know that plenty of people go through uni with kids or while they're pregnant, but to me uni seems like it should be kind of... the inbetween period between being a 'young adult' and being an adult, having kids kinda skips that transition and you just end up becoming an adult straight away.

Ultimatly I think it's up to the individuals though, I wouldn't criticise someone who is unmarried and 20 years old with a five year old if they were able to look after it and it was happy and stuff any more than I would criticise a married 30 year old with the same five year old, it's up to how they bring the child up to make a difference in this world and to be the best that they can be - that shouldn't depend on their parent's age or marital status.

Eternal Nightmare
May 10th, 2010, 09:29 AM
Sadly, I have seen middle school girls walking around pregnant or with children. 11th grade and beyond then its a different story. I persoannly think if some is finacially stable and ready for the bay then technically there is no problem, although this can interfere with schoool. 99% of the time these teens just want to experience sax and don't really think about the consquences. The so called father will more than likely leave the girl when they find out about the baby as the only real intention was to "score." This is also another major problem as why I think its better to wait.

My point...yes its bad and can led to several complications later on in life. Its not as bad if the pregnant youth is supported finacially and with the aid of both parents as well as their "mate" or whatever they want to call it. That is all :3.

Esper
May 10th, 2010, 10:48 AM
Food for thought: "pre-marital sex" isn't the best term since not everyone who has sex ever gets married. And you can get pregnant without ever having sex a la sperm donor. I don't know if it's ever happened, but it's possible.

Anyway, if you're pregnant and want to be pregnant the more people you have supporting you the better. I don't mean a husband-who-brings-home-the-bacon type of support necessarily, but family and friends and living close to medical facilities and just everything you might need. There doesn't have to be a husband/father and sometimes you're better off without him if he's not a good character.

Throat
May 10th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D
Yes, because it agrees with what you think, hoho.


As long as you're in legal age, I think you have the right to have a baby no matter your status or age. If you are not it's complicated.

Bluerang1
May 10th, 2010, 11:09 AM
I agree with Nagi, but let me be more subtle.

Teenage pregnancy. Really? When did that become normal. I thought teenagers were meant to be kids, have fun ,*pokes "Kid's these Days"* not be tied down with babies. I think waiting makes sense as 1) You won't be together for a long time/ever 2)You can get heart-broken 3) God knows what's spreading, seriously, it's not with one person but with all the others as well, gross. Besides, it's better to be fresh than raw...

That is all I can say subtlety and without going against the rules which I support :P

The Cynic
May 10th, 2010, 11:15 AM
Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.

I dunno, it might just be because I'm asexual personally, but I strongly feel that Lust is considered a deadly sin while Chastity is considered a heavenly virtue for a reason.

BTW, for those debating the marriage thing, I don't think the traditional views revolve around the article of paper itself, but more or less the love and devotion to one another that real married couples share. This is why such examples without an official marriage certificate are often called Common Law Marriages.

Is love nessecary for lovemaking? Can it not just be a fleeting surge of passion? Or could it even be casual?

We better get off sex by the way as Chibi Chan dosn't like its discussion (although when you think about it it's somewhat necessary in a thread on pregnancy).

Furthermore, marriage dosn't always represent devotion. Divorce happens in roughly 1/5th of all marriages in EMDCs.

Kenpari
May 10th, 2010, 11:52 AM
I'm completely against teenage pregnancy, but not so much against pregnancy without marriage. I'm against it if one of the two don't give a damn and then they split up right afterwards, but if the baby brings them together more and then eventually get married or at least stick together and act as if they were married, then I'm for it.

Aureol
May 10th, 2010, 12:13 PM
I don't support pregnancy in any form outside of marriage, and I think teen pregnancy is a real problem. Children deserve a mother and a father, not just one parent, and we have enough kids in the orphanages without adding to the problem. Of course, there is a way to completely prevent pregnancy, but some people don't have the self-control, I guess? Obviously, rape victims are exempt from this.

Anyways, I blame a good portion of society's problems on irresponsible pregnancies like this. If it's an adult that gets pregnant outside of marriage, it's not as bad (although still not ideal), but teenage pregnancies rarely work out without major issues down the road.

HarrisonH
May 10th, 2010, 12:24 PM
Oh god, this thread is absolutely hilarious.

Teens have sex. Accept it. Teens get pregnant too. That's what happens when you have sex without protection. Our schools suck at informing teenagers about what they can do to protect themselves. I've been in 3 different high schools, and each one has had abstinence-only education. Guess what? Pregnancy everywhere.

Apparently, kids today are too retarded to go to the store and buy a box of condoms. You don't even need a box, men's restrooms have condom vending machines.

apples2
May 10th, 2010, 12:32 PM
It's not like most of you would have to worry about pregnancy anyway.

KillehKiwi
May 10th, 2010, 02:44 PM
I don't judge.
So if a girl and guy want to have sex, what the hell, do what you want! It's you life, live it to the fullest, in my opinion.

It doesn't matter to me, teens, adults.
Whatever! If you get pregnant, you get pregnant.
You chose to have unprotected sex, and you got pregnant, so what?
I don't understand why it's soooo bad for teens to get pregnant before marriage, but it's lesser for an adult. I know, with money and stuff, but it's just looked down upon like a plague!
It's another's life, don't freaking try to control it to make it like your own 'perfect' life! It won't work.

Sneeze
May 10th, 2010, 03:42 PM
Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D

I love how you avoided/ignored everyone arguing we are in fact animals, which by the way, we are.

Honest
May 10th, 2010, 03:56 PM
In my religion, sex before marriage is a one way ticket to hell. I, however, look at it different. If guy and girl wanna do it, with full knowledge of the risks and that there prepared for it, then I say it's okay. I would rather they didn't get the girl pregnant, however if both agree that they can look after the child, then I guess it is alright. Marriage is not necessary for either sex or parenthood.

HarrisonH
May 10th, 2010, 04:23 PM
In my religion, sex before marriage is a one way ticket to hell.

Not if you ask for forgiveness.

RuRuBell
May 10th, 2010, 04:40 PM
I find that most teenagers aren't mature enough to be able to become good parents, nor do they have the money/resources to be able to support a child.

On the other hand, that could be said for a lot of adults, as well...

I don't see why so many people believe marriage necessarily equals parenthood. I don't see how a pair of rings and a certificate somehow make you better parents than people who don't.

And what about those who can't (or don't want to) get married?

If they're good parents, I don't see the harm, really. There are married couples who make good parents, and there are bad ones. Likewise, there are couples (or even singles) who make good parents, and some who are bad.

My point is, marriage is pretty much irrelevant to parenting skills or to sex. If you want to have it outside of marriage, I don't see the problem with that. I don't think the promiscuity is a good idea (but whatever floats your boat, I guess), and you should have sex with someone who means something to you. Protected, unprotected, whatever...just be sure you know the consequences.

Timbjerr
May 10th, 2010, 06:54 PM
Is love nessecary for lovemaking? Can it not just be a fleeting surge of passion? Or could it even be casual?

We better get off sex by the way as Chibi Chan dosn't like its discussion (although when you think about it it's somewhat necessary in a thread on pregnancy).

Furthermore, marriage dosn't always represent devotion. Divorce happens in roughly 1/5th of all marriages in EMDCs.



Like I said...maybe because I'm an asexual, I can't relate to the notion that lovemaking could just be a fleeting surge of passion. The only people I've ever been sexually attracted to were people I had deeper feelings for...so yeah, chalk my opinion up to inexperience. >_>

The point of the "no children until after marriage" thing, at least in ancient times, was to ensure that the child has a devoted father and a devoted mother to care for them. That's why, even in today's modern society, it's highly recommended that both parents be involved in the child's life even if they are divorced/separated.

Aureol
May 10th, 2010, 07:28 PM
The point of the "no children until after marriage" thing, at least in ancient times, was to ensure that the child has a devoted father and a devoted mother to care for them. That's why, even in today's modern society, it's highly recommended that both parents be involved in the child's life even if they are divorced/separated.

That's the biggest deal with teen pregnancies. They're teenagers with raging hormones they don't feel like controlling (they certainly didn't have a child because they wanted one). With an accident like this, typically there is gonna be little devotion from the mother, and almost zero from the father, which is why this type of behavior should be discouraged. At least adults feel some responsibility for an unwanted child; teenage guys aren't going to accept any of this 90% of the time. If I messed up and had a child, I am sorry to admit I wouldn't accept him/her, and I would tell the mother to put it up for adoption.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as completely safe sex, so there will be many teen pregnancies to come.

Katie_Q
May 10th, 2010, 08:47 PM
I think its fine if there prepared to take on a baby. I don't think marriage is as important as some people make it out to be. When two people are in love with each other, thats great, but they don't need a wedding to prove it. Though I'll probably have a small wedding when I'm older anyway.

But yes, teen pregnancy. It's their choice. Personally I wouldn't want to be stuck with a child, when I'm supposed to be just enjoying life with friends and getting through school etc. But it's really none of my business what everyone else is up to.

Melody
May 10th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Teenage pregnancy isn't necessarily a good thing unless the couple is already independent, and are already as responsible as any adult, AND they have parental permission to have a kid. Beyond that, I think it should be illegal and result in VERY STIFF PENALTIES such as having the kid taken away until they reach adulthood.

Now for having a kid outside of marriage or having pre-marital sex in general, I don't believe it's wrong. It's not a real sin, for it says in the bible that we should all "be fruitful and reproduce" anyway.

Now I do admit the bible does caution against pre-marital sex/childbearing because of the obvious problems attached with that. Usually an unmarried couple isn't fully ready to support a kid yet and provide all the things it needs such as necessities as well as love and mentoring from BOTH parents.

Esper
May 10th, 2010, 10:33 PM
The point of the "no children until after marriage" thing, at least in ancient times, was to ensure that the child has a devoted father and a devoted mother to care for them. That's why, even in today's modern society, it's highly recommended that both parents be involved in the child's life even if they are divorced/separated.
I think it was also that men wanted to know they were raising their biological offspring (not that men did a whole lot of raising, historically speaking) and not someone else's because plenty of men are sensitive like that.

That's the biggest deal with teen pregnancies. They're teenagers with raging hormones they don't feel like controlling (they certainly didn't have a child because they wanted one). With an accident like this, typically there is gonna be little devotion from the mother, and almost zero from the father, which is why this type of behavior should be discouraged. At least adults feel some responsibility for an unwanted child; teenage guys aren't going to accept any of this 90% of the time. If I messed up and had a child, I am sorry to admit I wouldn't accept him/her, and I would tell the mother to put it up for adoption.
Adults have hormones, too, and they might have had a longer time to learn to control them, but they have their own places, don't have curfews, and generally are more free to have business time. I don't think the difference between teens and adults is as big as you make it out to be.

Guillermo
May 11th, 2010, 01:53 AM
All I can say to this is people have sex when they feel they're ready. There should be no law to tell them when and when they can't have sex with someone, to a degree. I do believe 16+ is a good age.

Anxiety.
May 11th, 2010, 06:58 AM
Teenage pregnancy? A no for me.
Pregnancy before marriage? Go ahead. My parents have had me and my sister, and they're not married. If you can support a family go for it.

Rich Boy Rob
May 11th, 2010, 07:09 AM
I don't support pregnancy in any form outside of marriage, and I think teen pregnancy is a real problem. Children deserve a mother and a father, not just one parent, and we have enough kids in the orphanages without adding to the problem. Of course, there is a way to completely prevent pregnancy, but some people don't have the self-control, I guess? Obviously, rape victims are exempt from this.
I'm not attacking you or anything, but where do you stand on lesbians using a sperm donor (or whatever)? Just out of curiosity.

I've been in 3 different high schools, and each one has had abstinence-only education. Guess what? Pregnancy everywhere.

Really? The school where I go basically laughs at abstinence. They know it will never happen and teach how to have sex safely.


Apparently, kids today are too retarded to go to the store and buy a box of condoms. You don't even need a box, men's restrooms have condom vending machines.

You have to remember that out of the many teenagers who do have sex, this is true for only a tiny proportion of them. Not every teen is pregnant you know.

Reginaldvonburger
May 11th, 2010, 10:02 AM
Children don't need a mother AND a father. I hate this way of thinking. You don't need both, it is fine if you're a single parent or in a homosexual relationship. Why exactly do we need both? You aren't going to become messed up from having just one parent or one gender parenthood.

Plenty of parents raise children on their own, be it IVF, partner leaving them or their partner passing away. People seem to be stuck to the idea that you MUST have a mother and a father, when it makes no real difference.

As for sex, teenagers will have sex. Some will sleep around, others will stick to one partner. It's up to them. We can't stop them so we need to just accept that it's NATURAL.

And as for love, you can love at any age. When you're an infant, you will love the person who raises you, are you saying this isn't possible? When you're 14, whats to stop you finding the love of your life? I've read stories of people who started dating at 12 and are happily married at 50 or so. Age is not the factor in love, maturity is.

Porygon-Z
May 11th, 2010, 10:08 AM
If you've got the money and the means to provide for a child then why not.

However in my opinion you're throwing away the best years of your life.

If I was a pregnant teen, I would give my baby up for adoption.

There are plenty of couples dying to have kids that can't conceive who would give these children loving homes and stability. Adoption is fair for the child, the mother and the childless couples.

Of course none of this would be necessary if kids today just used contraception.

RTHookers
May 11th, 2010, 10:24 AM
Teenage pregnancy / pregnancy without getting married? What do you think?

Discuss~

like a virgin, touch for the very first time
Teen pregancy = Lol
W/O getting married = oh lol we have a piece of paper and a 1337$ ring, how much different were we from a few days ago?

I don't think it's good at all. Fornication's a sin by my book.
Lol a book, go by your life man. Just because some book said it doesn't mean you have to listen.


If they're worried about divorce, they shouldn't be getting married in the first place.
You never know what crap can jump up.

1. I don't think homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, because I don't believe in homosexual relations period. No offence intended.

2. But we're not animals :/
1. Lol he's gay let's put him in the zoo with the shimpanzas, hell no. What's wrong with gay peps adopting kids?

2. Something that finds an X and Y shouldn't be called an animal (damnit trigonometry and other math crap nobody cares about >.>)

Humans are animals.
Personally I think what "humans" class as "animals" are better than ourselves. Animals never had a war.

And homosexual couples have something to do with this thread, as they can adopt children in states that they cannot marry.

Plus homosexuality is found in 60,000 animals species and I have dated more women than I have men so, clearly they exist, therefore, you can't NOT believe in them.
War is because a stupid side won't just let their discipline go.
Animals doesn't adopt children lol.

Let's keep this topic on a matter of maturity and pregnancy rather than the act of sex or any of that business there, okay? Just fyi, I'll be monitoring this thread.
Finally a post that looks like more of a post..
Somewhat.
Teenage pregnancy is entirely dependent on the situation. If the person has decided thats definitely the route she wants to take in life and she is mentally mature enough to handle pregnancy and motherhood, as well as having the correct resources for a child, then why not, although having all three of those things seems unlikely. On a personal level, I wouldnt want to be a father until at least 30, because that will give me the time to do all the other things in life other than create; even then it wouldn't be a priority for me.

Yeah a 17yo guy has so much work places to work at and can bring a lotta money to home.
And it IS unlikely to have the resources.

As for Teenage Sex in general, I dont have much of a problem with that, but once again i would stress that both parties should be emotionally prepared for it.

What about financially prepared?
I wonder about the family reaction..

Sex and pregnancy without marriage? I dont see any moral, emotional or physical reason why marriage is necessary for sex. Although, once again I think that the couple should be financially ready and responsible. What difference is there between having sex and having sex with a certificate in a cupboard somewhere?

I'd again lol at people who overrate marriage, just tbh I can marry but I didn't do much about it, oh some time later nobody remembers it.

Oh god, this thread is absolutely hilarious.

Teens have sex. Accept it. Teens get pregnant too. That's what happens when you have sex without protection. Our schools suck at informing teenagers about what they can do to protect themselves. I've been in 3 different high schools, and each one has had abstinence-only education. Guess what? Pregnancy everywhere.

Never knew I'd meet someone who can say the truth.

Apparently, kids today are too retarded to go to the store and buy a box of condoms. You don't even need a box, men's restrooms have condom vending machines.

Some aren't retarded, I won't both going to a store to get condoms, but a 16yo buying condoms is a little lol, but they'll sell it anyway, no law to not sell it.

Not if you ask for forgiveness.
Forgiveness about something you didn't do bad..?

I predict a warning coming my way.. so opinions expressed.

Porygon-Z
May 11th, 2010, 10:40 AM
1. I don't think homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, because I don't believe in homosexual relations period. No offence intended.

2. But we're not animals :/

Well offense taken pal.

Why shouldn't gay people have the right to be happy just because they were born different from you.

Heres something to think about. You can actually believe in God and (heaven forbid) think for yourself, instead of being spoon-fed religious dogma that only acts as a coward's shield for bigotry and hate.

Anyway a lot of gay relationships are better environments for raising kids than some straight ones.

http://www.youtube.com/user/depfox?blend=1&ob=4

txteclipse
May 11th, 2010, 10:51 AM
Umm. Usually teenagers don't want to get pregnant. Being a parent is unbelievably demanding, and takes away from time you should be spending on things like getting an education. So yeah, I'd heavily advise against it.

If you're somehow ridiculously rich and mature and want to spend all that time and exert all that effort, though, I guess it's okay.

Reginaldvonburger
May 11th, 2010, 11:11 AM
Animals doesn't adopt children lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkzJoRua5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBCe_z0DkmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgxl7k3F1I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHVMKYzG_s

Yusshin
May 11th, 2010, 01:13 PM
My hometown in Ontario is #1 in the county for drugs and teen pregnancies. There's at least 15 girls pregnant every year at one of our schools. Why? You can't afford a child, and I don't see your child's biological father anywhere! So why did you just risk your entire education and your life (since most can't and don't get back on track with their education after having a kid in their teens) for a spur-of-the-moment, unprotected fun ride?

If you're pregnant as a teen, you're not mature anyway. You can't raise a kid on 16,000$/year! And if you live with your parents, good job putting them in the hole for cash for the next few years :| If they bother to deal with you and your irresponsibility, that is.

I don't agree with it at all. Teens are technically the best time to get pregnant (when considering the body), but in today's world, it's not because you've barely touched your most important educational studies. 95% chance if you get pregnant, you just flopped your life financially, unless you marry a rich man / an educated man with a college or university degree.

PkMnTrainer Yellow
May 11th, 2010, 01:31 PM
This. To be honest I think marriage is an outdated idea, I mean what's the difference between being partners and being partners with a slip of paper saying you are married.

As for teen pregnancy, I think that if she wishes to keep it then that is fine, but I personally would say that an abortion is the best idea, as having a child that early would restrict your future dramatically.


As for this. What exactly sets us apart from animals in your opinion then?
Intelligence? If that's so why can apes and crows use tools just like we (as a genus) did?
Warfare? Animals battle over territory just as much as we do, except we do it on a larger scale.
Souls? Well I don't believe we have souls/spirits anyway, so you know
What else is there to set us apart?

Question 1: Because if we take out that 1000 dollar piece of paper forcing legal obligations on people, there will be a boatload of shallow idiots that no longer feel obligated to treat sex and family as anything more than an animalistic urge. It would become inevitable that family and sex would become casualized.

These are what we call family values, and taking them out of the pictures goes a long way towards moral decay.

Also, Marriage involves a LOT more than that piece of paper. There are financial benefits, security benefits in having it be a legal thing as opposed to hi, we're married, you have no choice but to believe us.

Basically, Marriage has a big part in society and removing it without extensive planning would wind up being a catastrophe.

HOWEVER. On the TOPIC, I think it's not necessarily wrong for someone to get pregnant before marriage, just as long as their intentions are good. It's sort of situational.

Question 2: Best idea is not to get pregnant in the first place until you're ready. Just sayin', abortion is more of a last resort.

Question 3: Our belief that we have free will and animals do not is essentially what sets us apart from "animals".

Ayselipera
May 11th, 2010, 02:51 PM
Well I don't think teenagers should be having babies, but I also think premarital sex when involving teenagers is okay as long as they use protection. Since I am a teenager and I of course am surrounded by teenagers five days out of the week I know that we/they are usually not mature enough to even handle their own silly problems never mind taking care of another human. When it comes down to it if you're young and are sexually active then use protection. Unless there is some kind of accident during, the two parties involved really don't have a great excuse for it.

I don't think it's necessary to get married before pregnancy. I personally don't see why people even want to get married. If I were to fall in love with someone I would be perfectly fine just being with them forever without getting married. I don't need a paper and a ring to define our love or be official in the eyes of the state. With that being said I'm fine with prepared adults having a child without being married.

Flipnotic
May 12th, 2010, 09:58 PM
im against it.
only way i would have a child at my age (which is 20) is if i had paris hilton's money.
i believe people shouldn't have a child until they are emotionally and financially stable..such as engaged/married with a decent house, car, and job.
and can actually afford to have a child.

Guillermo
May 12th, 2010, 11:34 PM
However in my opinion you're throwing away the best years of your life.
Ah, I really agree with this. You only get to be a kid once, that we know of, so I don't see why people need to rush into having children and marriage straight away. If you really like someone, sure, do whatever, but if you're still a teenager you should be out doing teenager things, not adult things. A lot of kids this generation don't even have the brains to raise a child, let alone the money.

Idiot!
May 13th, 2010, 12:56 AM
Pregancy outside of marriage is perfectly okay to me. Come on, don't tell me you have not heard of single women in their forties? They are still capable of getting pregnant. Marriage, afterall, is just a certificate and rings obtained after going through all sorts of ceremonies. You don't need to be married to have a kid. All you need is money and love. Otherwise single people are unable to adopt, which is certainly not the case.

As for teenage pregnancy, what is done is done. Good luck raising/aborting/giving away the kid.

Aureol
May 13th, 2010, 12:40 PM
I'm not attacking you or anything, but where do you stand on lesbians using a sperm donor (or whatever)? Just out of curiosity.

For the sake of my online sanity, well-being and the lack of desire to offend others, I will keep my opinion to myself. I refuse to discuss homosexuality as well as a few other topics on the internet, mostly because no matter what stance I take, someone's gonna be offended, and these discussions are fruitless on teh interwebz (now, IRL, I'm not afraid to discuss it because those at least get somewhere instead of two people yelling at each other). As you can see, some people have insinuated it was wrong, and one person outright said it was wrong, and look at how they're being treated.

And why are so many people defending single parenting? There's nothing wrong with it, but it's a whole lot better to have two parents than just one. If it's just one parent, unless they are filthy rich, they're either gonna be short on parenting the kid or short on making a living. To all the people that were raised by a single mom or dad and got out well, good for you. I'm just saying what is typically better. One of my friends went to jail for a year, but he got out and now has a stable job with enough money to get by on. Is his life good? Yes. Would it've been better if he didn't go to jail? Almost certainly.

Pregnancy outside of a stable union can be very difficult. I'd be extremely impressed if they stayed together without any promise of commitment, such as getting married (even if it is "just a piece of paper," it's not something you can just walk out on).

Dixie Kong
May 13th, 2010, 12:42 PM
I see it way too much in my school. I know girls that already have two children. It's insane. I'm personally disgusted with premarital sex in general for personal reasons. Most mothers in my school are just...well, not good. We know how they act in and out of school, we know what they spend money on...if it's a teenager who is responsible, and hopefully has a responsible father for that child, then okay, whatever. I hope they really love each other. None of my business anyway, of course. If you're living in the streets with no money and start having sex without protection, that's on your shoulders.

I'm not trying to sit here and attack people who do fall in that category, but...I don't know. Why waste your childhood? I'm only 17 and I'm realizing how fast it blew by. I'm just two weeks from graduating. It hits hard at that point. Not much left. I can't imagine going through high school with a child (maybe more in some cases) at home.

There's a couple at my school who are already married and have a child. It's crazy, I know.

And why are so many people defending single parenting? There's nothing wrong with it, but it's a whole lot better to have two parents than just one. If it's just one parent, unless they are filthy rich, they're either gonna be short on parenting the kid or short on making a living. To all the people that were raised by a single mom or dad and got out well, good for you. I'm just saying what is typically better. One of my friends went to jail for a year, but he got out and now has a stable job with enough money to get by on. Is his life good? Yes. Would it've been better if he didn't go to jail? Almost certainly.

Er, being raised by a single parent the majority of my life, I personally think it was better. My dad wouldn't have done anything if he and my mom had stayed married. It would just be me coming home to a bum lying on the couch. And that's not me hating on my dad, I love him, but he's just really lazy. It's not typically better if the father (sometimes mother even) is in no condition to raise children. I don't want to have a banker for a mom and a drug dealer for a dad. It'd be more healthy growing up with just my mom than with her and a drug dealer. Just an example, of course. There could be worse things out there. Just my two cents on that one, though.

Kura
May 13th, 2010, 01:53 PM
I think that teenage pregnancy is bad because I feel that the mother AND father are both really too young to have to have the responsibility of handling a child. They'll have very little freedom, time, and money, to do the things they want (like school) and have to make a lot of sacrifices for the kid. I also think that many of them need to experience a little more about the world and mature a lot before they're ready to bring up a baby.

Having a baby before marriage if the person is older, more prepared for the situation (a house, savings, a job, an education, and possibly a way of transportation or easy access to amenities) is perfectly fine as long as the couple plans to be together or can at least work together to bring up the child.

Either way, I just would like to see the child brought up in a GOOD environment where they could be looked after and brought up properly.

Esper
May 13th, 2010, 07:29 PM
I never knew of a single girl in my high school who got pregnant. Granted, I wasn't really on the lookout for it and I'm sure one or two would have passed my notice easily, but a dozen or so like some people say they see at their schools just amazes me. Maybe it's because we had relatively good 'human interactions' classes, but it never seemed like anyone was ignorant of how to protect themselves so for the most part it didn't become an 'epidemic'.

Education is key to keeping down unwanted pregnancies, I think, and helping the girls who do get pregnant make the best choices.

Flame Claw
May 14th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Teen pregnancy is a big no. I know a girl who got pregnant at 14 and although I think she was stupid for getting pregnant in the first place, I admire the way she had it and she is a good mother looking after her child well.

As for marriage, I think it's pointless. I see it as an excuse for jewelery personally, and if people love each one-another they shouldn't need a piece of paper saying that.

Reginaldvonburger
May 14th, 2010, 11:13 PM
And why are so many people defending single parenting? There's nothing wrong with it, but it's a whole lot better to have two parents than just one. If it's just one parent, unless they are filthy rich, they're either gonna be short on parenting the kid or short on making a living. To all the people that were raised by a single mom or dad and got out well, good for you. I'm just saying what is typically better. One of my friends went to jail for a year, but he got out and now has a stable job with enough money to get by on. Is his life good? Yes. Would it've been better if he didn't go to jail? Almost certainly.

Pregnancy outside of a stable union can be very difficult. I'd be extremely impressed if they stayed together without any promise of commitment, such as getting married (even if it is "just a piece of paper," it's not something you can just walk out on).

Your friend going to jail has nothing to do with single parents. One of my friends is an alcoholic druggie at the age of 18. He has a mother and a father, 2 brothers and a sister, lives in a good size house etc. People's actions don't reflect on how many relatives they have around them, it reflects on the person themselves.

My cousin has an 8 year old daughter, she's a single mother. And guess what. She's fine. She's not rich nor is she short on parenting or money. What you said was close-minded. Some people have two really bad parents and others have one really good parent. It's not about the quantity, it's the quality.

TheUltimateSacrifice
May 14th, 2010, 11:26 PM
Is "Izanagi" the moral compass around here or something?

Topic: Both fine by me, as it doesn't affect me in any significant way, and never will.

Jammy-182
May 15th, 2010, 02:47 PM
Personally I think it all depends on the individual. It is hard to generalise EVERY teenager as either a good parent or bad parent, unable to cope etc. as for pregnancy out of marriage, I don't think marriage has the same values it did say 80 years ago. Marriage seems to only really be for traditional purposes or as a gesture, apart from that I think it is more or less the same as just being a couple, (although I am not married so it's hard for me to say) so why should it affect getting pregnant or raising a child? I do find it funny that marriage is becoming less popular than it was at the turn of the 20th century when it was frowned upon to not be married by 20 whereas now it is seen as bad to be married in your teens. It's the same with pregnancy, teen pregnancy used to be 'the norm'. I don't see an over powering reason for it to be wrong, as long as the individual can cope and the child has a fair start in life.

Michfan
May 15th, 2010, 06:57 PM
Ooh, a sex-related thread! Let me put in my two cents.

tl;dr Pre-marital intercourse is completely cool, as long as BOTH PARTNERS have the protection and the maturity for the what-ifs (pregnancy and STDs).

Teenagers being preggo = BAD. If you're under 18 and you're preggo, I would definitely go for adoption (my option if I had gotten a teen pregnant when I was in HS, thank God that I didn't) or go take the kid out in them by going to an abortion clinic.

Having kids w/out getting married = I'm OK with this. I know a few families who have never gotten married and are having the best years of their lives with their kids. I prefer to get married, but after I get my Bachelor's degree and am somewhat financially stable with a good career.

Rucario
May 16th, 2010, 05:27 AM
I hate it. Those stupid people who got pregnant tried as hard as they could do get into math class with their fat stomachs and I couldn't because of them... Dammit.

Kenaku
May 16th, 2010, 01:19 PM
Without reading anything else in here to corrupt my views: Babies should be made in love. You don't need to be married to be in love. Sex is an activity for making babies, but it just so happens to be fun. Sex without the intent of making babies seems to me like an entertainment act, that being said sex without protection may yield a child. If you have sex without protection, you have the knowledge of the possibilities of having a baby, or rather the intent of having a child.

Don't be a fool, wrap your tool.

RTHookers
May 16th, 2010, 01:25 PM
My hometown in Ontario is #1 in the county for drugs and teen pregnancies. There's at least 15 girls pregnant every year at one of our schools. Why? You can't afford a child, and I don't see your child's biological father anywhere! So why did you just risk your entire education and your life (since most can't and don't get back on track with their education after having a kid in their teens) for a spur-of-the-moment, unprotected fun ride?

If you're pregnant as a teen, you're not mature anyway. You can't raise a kid on 16,000$/year! And if you live with your parents, good job putting them in the hole for cash for the next few years :| If they bother to deal with you and your irresponsibility, that is.

I don't agree with it at all. Teens are technically the best time to get pregnant (when considering the body), but in today's world, it's not because you've barely touched your most important educational studies. 95% chance if you get pregnant, you just flopped your life financially, unless you marry a rich man / an educated man with a college or university degree.
*Best time to have protected sex
Needs moar sense.
..Got it?
And if my (unexisting) girlfriend want to have a child, screw her. I don't wanna take any responsibilities for that kinda crap on 16yo.
BTW that place sounds like a place to my kinda style.

Saltare.
May 16th, 2010, 05:59 PM
Not a lot of money to buy some condoms or just say NO.

When I see a pregnant girl my age in the store or in school, I just feel so bad for them. Even if they have the money to take care of a child at this young a age, they won't take care of it. They are still kids.

As for marriage as teens and being pregnant, I don't think it works out most of the time. My friends' friend's sister isn't with her boyfriend anymore. As soon as she got pregnant he wanted nothing to do with her.


That's just my own opinion and I'm not saying it is right.

colcolstyles
May 16th, 2010, 09:03 PM
As the saying goes, you shouldn't be having sex unless you feel that you are willing and able to take care of a child. I know that's not going to stop a lot of people but it has some merit to it.

HarrisonH
May 16th, 2010, 10:45 PM
As the saying goes, you shouldn't be having sex unless you feel that you are willing and able to take care of a child. I know that's not going to stop a lot of people but it has some merit to it.

I've never heard that "saying" before.

colcolstyles
May 16th, 2010, 11:33 PM
I've never heard that "saying" before.

Okay, well it might not be a household saying but it is the belief of what I'm sure is a fairly sizable group of people. Sure, contraception is as effective as it has ever been these days but sex, at its most fundamental level, is how we procreate so one should still be prepared to deal with the possibility of a pregnancy in case something should go wrong.

Guillermo
May 17th, 2010, 12:02 AM
Okay, really. Whyyy should people have to wait until they're wearing a ring on their finger and are 'legally' a couple to make a child? Marriage is just a bit of paper that supposedly brings two people together and makes a huge excuse to spend lots of cash, and it's not a warrant to say "okay you can have a baby now go for it!!" People should have children when they want to and feel it's right. Of course money is important too, but if you just got married and want a child you've already got the marriage expenses as well as a baby's expense.

And why does people being married make them better at raising a child than if they weren't? Really.

*also I know marriage is a big deal don't take what I said the wrong way*

RTHookers
May 17th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Screw marriage. Big wasta money if you ask me. Oh lol the goverment has a file like EliranXYarden or something.
TBH I don't feel like having marriage but eh. Why should I care about it at 16?

Yusshin
May 17th, 2010, 12:28 AM
Okay, really. Whyyy should people have to wait until they're wearing a ring on their finger and are 'legally' a couple to make a child? Marriage is just a bit of paper that supposedly brings two people together and makes a huge excuse to spend lots of cash, and it's not a warrant to say "okay you can have a baby now go for it!!" People should have children when they want to and feel it's right. Of course money is important too, but if you just got married and want a child you've already got the marriage expenses as well as a baby's expense.

^ Exactly. Marriage is just a way for churches to make monies and a way to get legal rights in law for certain things. It doesn't prove you're good parents. It doesn't even prove you love each other. People take the marriage thing too seriously in this respect. Sure, don't have kids with some guy you know you're not going to be with in two years (teenaged boys). Try to at least find someone who loves you and supports you, and you love and support in return. You don't have to get married, no. All of my aunts had kids at 17-21. They're all on welware now and don't even have their secondary school education. As my dad would put it, they're "losers." They're not productive for society at all. They're just another parent reaping welfare money / our taxes.

My mum had her first kid at 17. She's getting by because she's with someone who went through college for machine repair (snowmobiles, lawnmowers, etc.) If she hadn't met him, she'd still be in abusive relationships and making 1,700$/month managing a 50h/week + "homework" job at A&W.

Don't have kids until you're financially ready :| Seriously. Marriage doesn't mean anything these days; just make sure you love the person you're planning to have kids with, rather than have an "accident" with some guy who's going to ditch you once he knows. Pre-marital sex? Not a fan, since you'll probably catch some sort of STD, and you'll feel dirty when you are married for having slept with 30 people already. If that's your thing, though, fine, I'll judge, but I won't say anything (not that my opinion matters rofl). Just protect yourselves so you don't have any "accidents" that'll fck your life big time.

Rich Boy Rob
May 17th, 2010, 06:35 AM
Don't have kids until you're financially ready :| Seriously. Marriage doesn't mean anything these days; just make sure you love the person you're planning to have kids with, rather than have an "accident" with some guy who's going to ditch you once he knows. Pre-marital sex? Not a fan, since you'll probably catch some sort of STD, and you'll feel dirty when you are married for having slept with 30 people already. If that's your thing, though, fine, I'll judge, but I won't say anything (not that my opinion matters rofl). Just protect yourselves so you don't have any "accidents" that'll fck your life big time.

I couldn't agree with what you said more except for that line I bolded. I know it's only your opinion and that I probably can't change it, but I have to say; the chances of you catching an STD when using (the right kind of) protection are incredibly low, unless it breaks, which is mostly your fault for buying the wrong size/strength. And as for feeling dirty, I'm sure as long as your partner doesn't mind that you've "been around a bit", the only difference would be that you are a bit more experienced.

Just my two... pence?

Evee dude86
May 17th, 2010, 10:35 AM
I'm strongly pro-LIFE. So I would always council a mother to be to choose LIFE, unless it endangered her health/life.

Tinhead Bruce
May 17th, 2010, 05:32 PM
Teenage pregnancy. Really? When did that become normal? I thought teenagers were meant to be kids, have fun ,*pokes "Kid's these Days"* not be tied down with babies. I think waiting makes sense as 1) You won't be together for a long time/ever 2)You can get heart-broken 3) God knows what's spreading, seriously, it's not with one person but with all the others as well, gross. Besides, it's better to be fresh than raw...

That is all I can say subtlety and without going against the rules which I support :P

It became normal at the beginning of human existence. There is a reason males start producing sperm at the age they do and women can get pregnant at the age they can. In many countries, having children when you are 13 or 14 isn't uncommon.

The second bold sentence sort of disgusts me. You compare virginity to being "fresh"? One, raw isn't the opposite of fresh, just to let you know. Two, going by that logic, all our mothers and fathers are "rotten". They've all had sex, and that's a fact. I'm sure many of them have had multiple partners, depending of course on their circumstances. Saying that someone who isn't a virgin is comparable to them being rotten (you used raw, I just corrected you) is a terrible analogy. Being rotten also seems to be exclusive to the female reproductive organs from what I can see, no? Would you call the penis of a man with multiple sexual partners "rotten"?

Anyways, moving on to my views on this issue, I feel that those who are stable in all the ways necessary to raise a child should be able to have children. I don't find anything wrong with that. I also don't find anything wrong with sex without marriage. Sex is largely a recreational activity in our society, and I defy you to give legitimate proof as to why that is wrong, by legitimate of course I mean proof outside of a holy book.

Pregnancy without marriage also doesn't bother me. Provided, again, that those who are going have the child/raise the child are stable in the necessary ways, I don't see a problem with that. The whole stigma on unmarried people bugs me. As I see it, marriage is a path, but it's not the only path. I have several friends that have lifelong partners, but have no plans to get married. It isn't out of defiance just to "stick it to the man" or anything, they just don't want to. If it's legal, is it really up to us to judge whether it's right or wrong? Marriage is traditionally a religious institution, and those who don't care for marriage but still care to have children may be "sinners" in the eyes of religious people, but isn't it a great thing that those of us who aren't specifically religious don't have to have the approval of those who are?

I may have more to say on it, but I can't remember at the moment. I hope my opinion can provide some food for thought.

Germany
May 19th, 2010, 06:42 AM
I think that pregnancy before marriage is fine...so as long as you're an adult who can actually care for a child.
TEEN pregnancy on the other hand, disgusts me. I've seen so many of my peers get pregnant because they can't control their hormones, and then drop out of school.I doubt that they know anything about being a mother..

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
May 19th, 2010, 02:05 PM
Count me in for the generic vote of "Hey, you want a kid? If your economicallt stable and want one that badly, go ahead and have one at x-teen years old."

But really, is it that hard to keep the dang things in your pants people?
And if you don't want a kid, use protection. Period. >.>"

Pre-marital sex in general is fine- for adults.
This does not exuse them from protection, though.

I believe that having sex should be something that is embrace your love for another person physically, not just to make your genitals happy.

And I don't know why gay marriage/adoption was put in this thread, but I'll reply to it anyway :D

Sorry for the late reply, but this must be said:

1. I don't think homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, because I don't believe in homosexual relations period. No offence intended.

No offence,
but I don't think you should allow your own personal beliefs to strip people of thier rights.

Quite frankly, I don't see why you wouldn't believe in homosexual relationships.
It's quite impossible to not believe in something that clearly exsits.

Raising a child with same-sex parents is basically the exact same as raising a child with opposite sex-parents.

Except the children are most exposed to homosexual relationships, and one chromosome in one of the parental units is different then the XX and XY couples.

And don't go off and tell me everyone "needs" a male and female parent.

Because I don't think all the single parents would appreciate you say they're inadequate to raising a child, either.

Sneeze
May 19th, 2010, 02:11 PM
^^^Completey agree, and even if it is a heterosexual relationship but one of the the parents is a bad influence (violence, drugs, anger, cheater, etc, take your pick) is that better, just because its "normal"?

What would you sooner have, two loving parents of the same gender, or one loving parent of one gender and one parent of the other gender who couldn't care less?

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
May 19th, 2010, 02:18 PM
^^^Completey agree, and even if it is a heterosexual relationship but one of the the parents is a bad influence (violence, drugs, anger, cheater, etc, take your pick) is that better, just because its "normal"?

What would you sooner have, two loving parents of the same gender, or one loving parent of one gender and one parent of the other gender who couldn't care less?

You should probably include something about the actual topic at hand too, so there isn't a complete split-off of the thread's actual topic. :3

But I completely agree.

And "normal"?
The word 'normal" is non-existant when dealing with persons.

Sneeze
May 19th, 2010, 03:10 PM
That's why it was in quotes. :P

And there's nothing else I need to add to the topic at hand, lol. I've already given my two cents on the matter. People can do as they please if they are willing to accept the consequences and protocol involved.