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Jolene
May 23rd, 2010, 09:24 AM
I think that game companies should start making videogames again. Because recently, they haven't been. Sure, game companies have been making stuff Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty - "mature" stuff, but those aren't really videogames. Videogames are meant to be for kids. There aren't enough good videogames for kids.

There are only a few companies who put any effort into developing children's games nowadays. For most game companies, children's games are just a side thing that they do to make some extra money to fund their new "mature" game. I think that is bad. I think it is okay to have some mature games, but most games should be for children.

I think it is really a shame that the videogames industry is moving in this "mature" direction. I go into a game shop, and there aren't enough game cases with primary colors on them. And all the games have really grim titles. It's so sad.

Akeraz
May 23rd, 2010, 10:18 AM
If you want kids games, get a wii.
No-one's asking you to play Call of Duty or Assassin's creed.

Because that's how it divides out nowadays.
The Wii is for Casuals.
The Xbox and PS3 is for the more serious, mature gamer.
People aren't making any money by putting kids games on a console made for adults.

Kozoi
May 23rd, 2010, 10:34 AM
I think that game companies should start making videogames again. Because recently, they haven't been. Sure, game companies have been making stuff Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty - "mature" stuff, but those aren't really videogames. Videogames are meant to be for kids. There aren't enough good videogames for kids.

There are only a few companies who put any effort into developing children's games nowadays. For most game companies, children's games are just a side thing that they do to make some extra money to fund their new "mature" game. I think that is bad. I think it is okay to have some mature games, but most games should be for children.

I think it is really a shame that the videogames industry is moving in this "mature" direction. I go into a game shop, and there aren't enough game cases with primary colors on them. And all the games have really grim titles. It's so sad.

Video games aren't as appealing to children as they used to be. A lot of children do not have the attention span to play video games and they do not feel like they're accomplishing anything by doing so. Plenty of children prefer watching television or just playing outside with their friends, rather than playing a video game that's full of tedious forced tutorials and has little to no plot. (Just generalising children's video games, they're not all like that.)

There are still plenty of video games aimed at children though. You're on a forum dedicated to a video game which is mainly aimed at children right now. I don't see what your problem is. Older people have longer attention spans and can actually sit down and enjoy playing a good video game. Older people are also more capable of understanding plots and character development.

If you want to play children's video games then play on the Nintendo DS or the Wii. What's wrong with Xbox 360 and PS3 games? In most cases, PS3 and Xbox 360 provide better video games with a more complex story line. You should be able to enjoy and understand all kinds of video games if you're a real video game fan.

Sneeze
May 23rd, 2010, 02:14 PM
I think that game companies should start making videogames again. Because recently, they haven't been. Sure, game companies have been making stuff Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty - "mature" stuff, but those aren't really videogames.

They aren't?

Videogames are meant to be for kids.

They are?

There aren't enough good videogames for kids.

There aren't?

There are only a few companies who put any effort into developing children's games nowadays. For most game companies, children's games are just a side thing that they do to make some extra money to fund their new "mature" game. I think that is bad. I think it is okay to have some mature games, but most games should be for children.

Everything else aside, lets look at this from a business perspective, who is ore likely to have how ever much is costs to spend on a game? Older people, not children. Game's aren't cheap to buy and they are aiming for the most realistic market.

Also, Nintendo and Sega? I think that's all we need to be honest, with the amount of shovelware on the Wii and the DS there are plenty enough kids games.

The maturation of games is exactly what the industry needs, with depth, meaning, values, storylines, et cetera, games are the closest they have ever been to being respected as an art form by outsiders. Yes there's still a long way to go but if we go back to aiming games at kids where the most depth a game has is the creases in a fat plumbers belly then we'll the industry will take a huge step backwards.

I think it is really a shame that the videogames industry is moving in this "mature" direction. I go into a game shop, and there aren't enough game cases with primary colors on them. And all the games have really grim titles. It's so sad.

This point, I sort of agree with but this isn't at the fault of mature games, just games in general trying to be "realistic". There's plenty of colourful mature games, Team Fortress 2, Okami, XIII, Just Cause 2, Saints Row 2... I could do on.

And even so, if you gave me the choice between the "primary colours" of Wii Sports and the grey/brown of Heavy Rain I know what I'd go for.

Jolene
May 23rd, 2010, 03:16 PM
If you want kids games, get a wii.

I do have a Wii. But even on the Wii, I don't think there are enough good children's games. Apart from the games that Nintendo makes - Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing - most of the children's games on the Wii are just minigame compliations that the developers probably put together in an afternoon whilst waiting to be promoted to the development team for their new gritty sandbox game.


Video games aren't as appealing to children as they used to be. A lot of children do not have the attention span to play video games and they do not feel like they're accomplishing anything by doing so. Plenty of children prefer watching television or just playing outside with their friends, rather than playing a video game that's full of tedious forced tutorials and has little to no plot. (Just generalising children's video games, they're not all like that.)

You are wrong, children still like playing videogames.


Older people have longer attention spans and can actually sit down and enjoy playing a good video game. Older people are also more capable of understanding plots and character development.

I think children can understand plots and character development too. There are lots of children's books and children's movies that have good plots and character development.

Everything else aside, lets look at this from a business perspective, who is ore likely to have how ever much is costs to spend on a game? Older people, not children. Game's aren't cheap to buy and they are aiming for the most realistic market.

That's true.


The maturation of games is exactly what the industry needs, with depth, meaning, values, storylines, et cetera

You can have those things in children's games too. Children are quite bright - they can follow stories. They read Harry Potter novels, so they can probably sit through some lines of dialogue.


games are the closest they have ever been to being respected as an art form by outsiders. Yes there's still a long way to go but if we go back to aiming games at kids where the most depth a game has is the creases in a fat plumbers belly then we'll the industry will take a huge step backwards.

I don't see why people so obsessed about videogames being accepted as "art". I think that videogames were closer to "art" when they were pixels, because pixel games are a bit post-modern and original. Nowadays, the games that people say are "art" are just trying to emulate other mediums. But I don't think you can say a game is art because it "looks like the movies", or because it has an graphic style based on Japanese watercolor paintings.


This point, I sort of agree with but this isn't at the fault of mature games, just games in general trying to be "realistic". There's plenty of colourful mature games, Team Fortress 2, Okami, XIII, Just Cause 2, Saints Row 2... I could do on.

I don't really mind whether they have primary colors or not. That was just a roundabout way of saying that there aren't enough children's games in stores.


I think it's a shame, because videogames have the potential to inspire kids and develop their imaginations. But instead, the current videogame climate has created a generation of basement-dwellers who spend a lot of their time playing videogames and somehow manage to act all elitist about it.

Sneeze
May 23rd, 2010, 03:34 PM
You can have those things in children's games too. Children are quite bright - they can follow stories. They read Harry Potter novels, so they can probably sit through some lines of dialogue.

When you say "children" what age range are you actually talking about? The term is kinda generic.

Either way I'd hardly call Harry Potter anywhere near as deep as the likes of Mass Effect or Heavy Rain. You're always limited by age when it comes to children and what's correct and moral to be showing to minors. It's not just about simple dialogue but the issues it raises, health, sex, violence, morales. Most "children's" games don't go much deeper than "we can do anything with teamwork".

Crystal-Heart
May 23rd, 2010, 03:59 PM
We don't don't need more children's games, we need more games that anyone can play. Examples of games that can be enjoyed by anyone of any age are Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, MegaMan (Classic), Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, and a few others. There need to be more video games that aren't directed at the more mature, gritty crowd, or the whimsical and naive children crowd. There need to be games that have both a light hearted story and/or characters that kids can get into, but also a deeper meaning behind certain things, that adults would be able to get into to.

A good example of this is the Kingdom Hearts series, it has the many colorful characters from Disney, like Donald Duck and Aladdin, along with its darker ones, like Pirates of the Carribean and Nightmare before Christmas, it also contains a storyline reminiscent of a Final Fantasy styled one, only toned down to be more suitable for the kids, but not to the point that it won't be loved by adults. It also leaves a variety of mysteries that younger gamers usually wouldn't care to ponder, but older gamers would, and even talk amongst themselves about.

リュザキ
May 23rd, 2010, 06:56 PM
We don't don't need more children's games, we need more games that anyone can play. Examples of games that can be enjoyed by anyone of any age are Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, MegaMan (Classic), Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, and a few others. There need to be more video games that aren't directed at the more mature, gritty crowd, or the whimsical and naive children crowd. There need to be games that have both a light hearted story and/or characters that kids can get into, but also a deeper meaning behind certain things, that adults would be able to get into to.

A good example of this is the Kingdom Hearts series, it has the many colorful characters from Disney, like Donald Duck and Aladdin, along with its darker ones, like Pirates of the Carribean and Nightmare before Christmas, it also contains a storyline reminiscent of a Final Fantasy styled one, only toned down to be more suitable for the kids, but not to the point that it won't be loved by adults. It also leaves a variety of mysteries that younger gamers usually wouldn't care to ponder, but older gamers would, and even talk amongst themselves about.

I would have to agree you with you on that. I would rather have games that where made for anyone. I would rather play games with my little sister like the Lego games or Pokemon.

In all seriousness and honesty, I am playing the same games I did as a kid. Fighters, Shooters, Rpgs, Racers, and Adventures.

Jolene
May 24th, 2010, 12:53 AM
I'd hardly call Harry Potter anywhere near as deep as the likes of Mass Effect or Heavy Rain. You're always limited by age when it comes to children and what's correct and moral to be showing to minors. It's not just about simple dialogue but the issues it raises, health, sex, violence, morales.

It is sad that the current gaming climate has tricked you into thinking that health(?), sex, violence, morales(?) are necessary for a good story.


We don't don't need more children's games, we need more games that anyone can play. Examples of games that can be enjoyed by anyone of any age are Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, MegaMan (Classic), Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, and a few others.

Yes, those are the kinds of games I am talking about: games that are made for children, but can also be enjoyed by teenagers and older people because they appeal to our inner childishness.


There need to be more video games that aren't directed at the more mature, gritty crowd, or the whimsical and naive children crowd. There need to be games that have both a light hearted story and/or characters that kids can get into, but also a deeper meaning behind certain things, that adults would be able to get into to.

No, I think that children's games should appeal to adults at the same level that they would appeal to a child. Like a family movie - adults don't watch those because there is a deep hidden meaning. Adults watch them to feel like children.

Ryden
May 24th, 2010, 01:17 AM
We don't don't need more children's games, we need more games that anyone can play. Examples of games that can be enjoyed by anyone of any age are Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, MegaMan (Classic), Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, and a few others. There need to be more video games that aren't directed at the more mature, gritty crowd, or the whimsical and naive children crowd. There need to be games that have both a light hearted story and/or characters that kids can get into, but also a deeper meaning behind certain things, that adults would be able to get into to.

A good example of this is the Kingdom Hearts series, it has the many colorful characters from Disney, like Donald Duck and Aladdin, along with its darker ones, like Pirates of the Carribean and Nightmare before Christmas, it also contains a storyline reminiscent of a Final Fantasy styled one, only toned down to be more suitable for the kids, but not to the point that it won't be loved by adults. It also leaves a variety of mysteries that younger gamers usually wouldn't care to ponder, but older gamers would, and even talk amongst themselves about.
I have to say, I completely agree with you. So much so, I don't really have a whole lot more I could add myself now XD

No, I think that children's games should appeal to adults at the same level that they would appeal to a child. Like a family movie - adults don't watch those because there is a deep hidden meaning. Adults watch them to feel like children.
You should take a closer look at those Children Movies, They generally tend to add some context that Children wouldn't notice, but the adults watching would and usually are amused by it. Course this is not saying they' don't watching to feel young again or anything. I know I personally watch for the adventure and the silly humor, but I also keep and eye and ear out for those hidden adult things that had so I can go "hah I see what you did thar" though not actually saying those words :P

Anyways I'd have to say there hasn't really been a happy medium between Children and Adult orientated games for a while now, but I usually look at this from the gamer prespective. and in my Gamer prespective I find game companies have being trying to branch out too much, trying to bring in newer and different crowds. The Wii's master plan is to be the family gaming system. creating simplics, yet fun games everyone can sit down and enjoy. While PS3 and xbox try to attract in those "Adult" character with there war and racing games, along with anything that they can depic as violent.

I honestly miss the old 16bit days I spent on my SNES. My Brother and I would went a game every week and always be entertained by whatever we randomly selected. now in days, I would bother renting a game, because it just seems like a waste of money, and I'm usually disappointed by my random selection. I truly miss having a good platformer/sidescrolling game to be entertained by. oh Sure, some still get made, but nothing like it was before. and these were the types of games anyone could enjoy.

Honestly if game companies just went back to catering to the true gamer, we'd see alot more games everyone could now enjoy.

blaze_the_cat
May 24th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Since when are video games exclusively kids territory? My cousin, who i would assume is around his late 20s, early 30s, still plays videogames.

I was taught its rude to ask ages of family members.

And as mentioned, rarely are gaming companies in it to make games fun for kids. Lets face it, many are in it to line their own pockets. Exceptions are companies like Bungie which listen to fans, and have fun playing their own games.

Kozoi
May 24th, 2010, 02:09 AM
You are wrong, children still like playing videogames.


I take it as you didn't read my post correctly, or you would have realised that what I was trying to say. I said that less children play 'video games'. By less children playing video games, I meant what you thought real video games were. (Hurr Durr, all video games should be aimed at children.) Let's face it, not as many children play children's video games now. Over one third of adults let their children play eighteen rated games, it's a proven fact in the United Kingdom. Because of this, some children prefer playing mature video games and less children play your kind of video games.


I think children can understand plots and character development too. There are lots of children's books and children's movies that have good plots and character development.


Okay, what age are you generalizing children as? Presuming that it's anything from age eight to age fourteen, how many children do you think will understand the storyline and plot of a game such as Final Fantasy XIII? Do you think that they'd understand the characters feelings and personality after a short while of playing as them? Most children won't - plus a lot of them won't understand larger words like condescending, contradictory, hypocritical, etc.

The video gaming industry should be aimed at both children and adults. You think that there should just be video games for children, which is completely wrong. Adults will be the ones paying out more to businesses, so it's smart to cater to a more mature audience. If you want to play children's video games then that's your choice. Some people want a more challenging and realistic experience and the video game industry is trying to cater to those people.

Summing this up with one final fact, just to back up what I said about Adults being the main consumer of video games earlier.

"While 25% of video-game players are under 18, the majority of players are adults. The adult demographic is the fastest-growing segment of the American video-games market with 32% of adults playing video games. As a result, the average (or median) age of the video-game player is 35; however, the median age is "often used to deflect from the fact that almost all American children are exposed to video games."
-Wikipedia

Also, this thread is now based around nostalgia and nothing more. Just sayin'.

Sneeze
May 24th, 2010, 05:40 AM
It is sad that the current gaming climate has tricked you into thinking that health(?), sex, violence, morales(?) are necessary for a good story.

Oh I've clearly been tricked in forming my own opinion, how could I have been so blind to their treachery?!

Yes, all them things ARE needed for a good story because without them you have the likes of a princess being kidnapped for the umpteenth time. To identify with a real audience, in my opinion, you need real issues, not the clichéd crap Nintendo are spoon feeding us.

And I'm not sure what you mean by the question marks, do you want me to elaborate on the two?

Also, for the record by "sex" I don't actually mean just sex, all the stuff with comes with it, relationships, love, hate, unions, break-ups, desires, fears, emotions, I appreciate that might not have been clear.

sgspacemonkey
May 24th, 2010, 05:54 AM
Videogames are meant to be for kids.
Video games are not specified as being just meant for kids. That's where all those misconceptions come from. People on the news complain about violence in games because they think they're a toy that kids play, in actual fact they have ratings and those games are meant for adult players; they're still classed as video games though.

I don't see why people so obsessed about videogames being accepted as "art". I think that videogames were closer to "art" when they were pixels, because pixel games are a bit post-modern and original. Nowadays, the games that people say are "art" are just trying to emulate other mediums. But I don't think you can say a game is art because it "looks like the movies", or because it has an graphic style based on Japanese watercolor paintings.
People just want to class them as art because they want them to be respected as a medium in the same way film and literature is. Artful Games have even been kicked out of awards for being distasteful, yet a film with the same content could get away with it. This sort of injustice infuriates people who are passionate about the industry. There was a time when films were new though and they were also disrespected. I think any game mature or not can be summed up as art in the way that they involve design, concept art, sound/music, narrative... etc...

I like the fact that games have a large focus towards adults because older people also like to enjoy a little play-time sometimes. Once you’ve grown out of your toys games are the only medium left that allow you to still experience that joy and delight in an accepted way. It doesn't mean games shouldn’t be made for a variety of people though, but kids shouldn’t be put off playing with more traditional ‘real’ toys, which games can’t replace. Toys are important in helping children to experience creativity and stuff.

When I was a kid I use to play games like Tomb Raider and stuff. If kind of feels like games have matured with me.

TRIFORCE89
May 24th, 2010, 06:26 AM
How about, instead of more children's game, we say more well-made children games instead? Or that the amount that already exists should be better?

Think of all the classics we respect from yesteryear. All those great games and franchises. They're fantastic games, but are they any less because they are family-friendly?

The current games in these franchises aren't what they once were. New IPs are often subpar. The resources go toward the mature titles. Not a problem. But if I grew up today rather than when I did, I wouldn't be anywhere the gamer I am today. I'd be bored.

Games aren't for kids. They are for everybody, but we are increasingly moving from great games that can be enjoyed by everyone to great games that can be enjoyed by adults.

Fox♠
May 24th, 2010, 11:14 AM
There are too many films directed at adults these days, trash like The Dark Knight, Avatar, Green zone etc. It's time film directors started making films directed at children, when i go to my local cinema I am saddened by the lack of bright, cute imagary on posters, in stead just lots of explosions and stuff.

Avatar
May 24th, 2010, 11:22 AM
The average age of a gamer in the US is 35 years old and they have been playing games for over 12 years. Video games are, and were never meant to be for kids only.
The Xbox and PS3 is for the more serious, mature gamer.
Ah yes both of these systems are quite clearly for the 'serious' gamer!
That's why Microsoft and Sony are investing in casual gaming!

If we have to pick a platform for the 'serious' gamer it would be the PC given that the majority of e-sport competitions are focused on this platform.

Akeraz
May 24th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Yeah, but who the hell owns an Xbox or a PS3 and is actually going to buy Natal or Move?
If i do, they'll both sit in the corner of my room.
Just like my wii.

Zet
May 24th, 2010, 10:35 PM
Obviously OP hasn't looked at the Wii and DS shelf at their local EB Games/Gamestop store.

Barney.
May 25th, 2010, 07:18 AM
Of course because it's black and grey are mature.
The primary colours aren't.

Hardcore isn't about skill and difficulty, it's about guns and blood.

..

No.

The Hardcore and Casual argument is absolutely pointless, and of course now the Wii has gained a label for the "casual" gamers option, Games with colour are automatically thrown in the "casual" pile, so those "hardcore", "serious" gamers won't got near it. And Serious? honestly? anyone who takes gaming seriously is pathetic. Gaming is meant to be a piece of entertainment, of course you can get annoyed at games if things don't go to right, but if people are taking it seriously, they are what's wrong with gaming, not the third parties looking to jump on the money train by pumping out a Wii party game that took them about 4 weeks to make.

But now look, Natal and Move are coming out, uh-oh...Looks like your precious "hardcore" consoles are going to get a massive shovelware dump placed right on their heads. But of course, what are sony doing? trying to market Move as the "hardcore" alternative to the Wii. Motion Fighter? If you asked someone to make a parody of what a PS3 version to Wii boxing would look like, it would be that.

Anyway, Nintendo themselves have basically scrapped Motion control, It's all about 2D platformers now, And then Sony and Microsoft will jump on the bandwagon again..With Nintendo being one step ahead.

Cherrim
May 25th, 2010, 08:22 AM
Isn't the average gamer age something like 30 nowadays anyway? :( I could probably grab some stats/articles on this but I'm at work and don't care enough anyway. Point is, there is no proof aside from your own opinion that games are for children.

I won't argue that some of the greatest games were made more with children in mind than anyone else. But I think what made those games so great (I'm thinking Pokémon, Mario games... okay, most Nintendo IPs) is that you didn't have to be a child to appreciate them. A child (7~12 is my definition) could have just as much fun as an adult could. Those games are often rated E for everyone--not just kids. :/

I think the problem nowadays is that kids aren't a very interesting market for the gaming industry. Yeah, their parents will buy them video games but the parents make the final decision and aside from time-tested favourites like Pokémon and Mario... what are they supposed to choose? Any video game is just a video game, right? So they pull the shovelware off the shelf and bring that home. And the kid (arguably) doesn't care--it's still a brand new Wii or DS game.

But the more intelligent consumers? The ones who actually care about the games they're playing and how their money is spent? Those are the "core" gamers that every company is trying to impress nowadays. And since an interesting game seems to be synonymous with dark, mature, dreary, shooters these days... well. :( That's what we get. Yeah, some of these games are genuinely good and a lot of the "great" games we look forward to these days are geared toward teens at the very least. Video games aren't all for kids, and they aren't all for adults. Different games target different demographics.

Video games aren't just toys anymore... I'm not here to argue that they're an art form, but they're definitely a medium of entertainment... and go ahead and look at other media. Not all TV shows (or even cartoons, a medium formerly hailed as kids-only) are geared toward the same groups. Spongebob is a cartoon and it's definitely a kids show, whereas I probably wouldn't want my young kids watching South Park which is another cartoon/show. In cinema, it's the same. You can go to a theatre and see a kids movie, or you can see an R-rated films for adults, or you could hit up a PG film with the whole family. Same with books, comic books, music, and any other form of entertainment you can think of.

To say a video game isn't a video game unless it's geared solely toward kids is as ignorant as saying a cartoon isn't a cartoon unless it's geared solely toward kids. It may be your opinion that the genre is childish and should remain that way but clearly the industry disagrees. I definitely agree that more games should be playable by all ages and I'm getting a bit sick of the "LET'S MAKE ALL OUR GAMES RATED M TO KEEP PEOPLE INTERESTED" thing that's been going on the last few years, but if a game genuinely fits into its M-rating and is a good, fun game... I'm not gonna complain too much. :/

Fox♠
May 25th, 2010, 10:25 AM
Of course because it's black and grey are mature.
The primary colours aren't.

Hardcore isn't about skill and difficulty, it's about guns and blood.

..

No.

The Hardcore and Casual argument is absolutely pointless, and of course now the Wii has gained a label for the "casual" gamers option, Games with colour are automatically thrown in the "casual" pile, so those "hardcore", "serious" gamers won't got near it. And Serious? honestly? anyone who takes gaming seriously is pathetic. Gaming is meant to be a piece of entertainment, of course you can get annoyed at games if things don't go to right, but if people are taking it seriously, they are what's wrong with gaming, not the third parties looking to jump on the money train by pumping out a Wii party game that took them about 4 weeks to make.

But now look, Natal and Move are coming out, uh-oh...Looks like your precious "hardcore" consoles are going to get a massive shovelware dump placed right on their heads. But of course, what are sony doing? trying to market Move as the "hardcore" alternative to the Wii. Motion Fighter? If you asked someone to make a parody of what a PS3 version to Wii boxing would look like, it would be that.

Anyway, Nintendo themselves have basically scrapped Motion control, It's all about 2D platformers now, And then Sony and Microsoft will jump on the bandwagon again..With Nintendo being one step ahead.

Well, considering that the Wii is a parody of the current gen I don't see why Sony and MS shouldnt be allowed to cash in on it as well. You cannot deny that 90% of Wii games are casual shovelware, regardless of what colour the box is.

KnilShadowLink
May 30th, 2010, 12:14 AM
The average age of a gamer in the US is 35 years old and they have been playing games for over 12 years. Video games are, and were never meant to be for kids only.

Ah yes both of these systems are quite clearly for the 'serious' gamer!
That's why Microsoft and Sony are investing in casual gaming!

If we have to pick a platform for the 'serious' gamer it would be the PC given that the majority of e-sport competitions are focused on this platform.


...I really don't want to get into this, but I have to strongly disagree on the statement 'Video games were never meant for kids' How many adults that you know/knew avidly played Super Nintendos & Sega Genesis at the age of 18 or older? (When they were new) I find that statement to be somewhat offensive. Ungh I really don't want to get anymore in depth in this argument, so I'm going to stop here (Anyways many people have stated my opinion so I don't see any reason to post a long drawn-out response...)

Barney.
May 30th, 2010, 03:04 AM
Well, considering that the Wii is a parody of the current gen I don't see why Sony and MS shouldnt be allowed to cash in on it as well. You cannot deny that 90% of Wii games are casual shovelware, regardless of what colour the box is.

Oh they're allowed to cash in, certainly..I just don't think people realise that the third parties will soon enough also turn to the PS3 and 360 to place whatever new shovelware they've got in their Arsenal.

And no I can't deny that, Only about 5 third party games are worth getting. First party of course are pretty much all brilliant classics, excluding the odd few. I think that WiiWare is a gamers getaway for Wii, there are so many brilliant games for that service it's unreal. Also Virtual Console..Which I think is reason enough to own a Wii and not let it gather too much dust in my opinion.

I just don't like that the console itself has got this label, because there are many games that are just some of the best that this generation has seen, on any console, And people seem to overlook that.

Avatar
May 30th, 2010, 03:38 AM
...I really don't want to get into this, but I have to strongly disagree on the statement 'Video games were never meant for kids'
That's not what I wrote. Go back and read my post again.

Ninja Caterpie
May 30th, 2010, 03:43 AM
damnit jolene, you're such a good troll. just LOOK at the responses!

...I really don't want to get into this, but I have to strongly disagree on the statement 'Video games were never meant for kids'

You forgot the last part. "Video games were never meant for kids only." Meaning that video games were always targetted at, well, everyone. Kids and kids-at-heart (which is just about everyone :D)

Crystal-Heart
May 30th, 2010, 07:54 AM
Yes, those are the kinds of games I am talking about: games that are made for children, but can also be enjoyed by teenagers and older people because they appeal to our inner childishness.
Those games are mostly certainly not made for children. They are games that are made purely to be fun. Last I checked, fun didn't have an age limit.



No, I think that children's games should appeal to adults at the same level that they would appeal to a child. Like a family movie - adults don't watch those because there is a deep hidden meaning. Adults watch them to feel like children.
I don't watch cartoon or family movies to feel like a child, I watch them because they are enjoyable, why should an adult not be able to enjoy the whimsy of magic and fantasy without trying to feel young? There usually are messages that an adult would get but not a child. For instance, a variety of the Genie's transformation's in Aladdin, most of them were stars that children would probably not know. Then there are the times in cartoons when they reference Mythology, Old Mature Movies, and various other things. Thats why theres a difference between family entertainment, like Aladdin, and actual movies and shows made for children, like Sesame Street.

mew²
May 30th, 2010, 06:53 PM
When was the last time you picked up a rated E game (besides Pokemon) and said it was the best game ever?
T games and higher have more sales then E rated games. So game companies make more teen and mature games to make more money.

Jolene
May 30th, 2010, 06:57 PM
When was the last time you picked up a rated E game (besides Pokemon) and said it was the best game ever?.

Last Monday. It's Super Mario Galaxy 2, by the way.

Eldrei
May 31st, 2010, 02:03 AM
True, true. I even saw a cover of a video game with seductive & lewd girls on it. Yep kids these days...!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4c_wI6kQyE)

vibratingcat
May 31st, 2010, 04:00 AM
We don't don't need more children's games, we need more games that anyone can play. Examples of games that can be enjoyed by anyone of any age are Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, MegaMan (Classic), Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, and a few others. There need to be more video games that aren't directed at the more mature, gritty crowd, or the whimsical and naive children crowd. There need to be games that have both a light hearted story and/or characters that kids can get into, but also a deeper meaning behind certain things, that adults would be able to get into to.
i would love to see a kid try and get through the original style megaman without crying with frustration, but anyway.
It is sad that the current gaming climate has tricked you into thinking that health(?), sex, violence, morales(?) are necessary for a good story.

Yes, those are the kinds of games I am talking about: games that are made for children, but can also be enjoyed by teenagers and older people because they appeal to our inner childishness.

none of those games are made for children, they are made for everybody. Games that are made specifically for children are like those kids shows on ABC (australians will know what i'm talking about) at around 4pm in the afternoon, the stuff that most people who aren't 6-12 in age won't enjoy. But yeh, i can still see which games you are talking about.
I guess you just got to keep your eyes open. There heaps of awesome E games out there. Unfortunatelly most are made in japan and never make it overseas as america are dumb like that. Somebody asked what E games have you played recently that you thought was awesome. Well i thought i would write up a list of some nice everybody games that i hav played over the last year, minus the obvious nintendo and sega ones as they are pretty obvious. Unfortunatelly some are japan exclusives.
-Megaman
-Little Big Planet - it so cuuute!!
-Inazuma Eleven - the only sports game that that i really enjoyed
-Taiko no Tatsujin - a happy japanese version of guitar hero with drums
-Moero nekketsu rhythm damashi - another rhythm game.
-Final Fantasy CC Ring of Fate - one of the greatest games on the ds i have played.
-Kingdom Hearts - the story can be a bit complex, even more than XIII, but i can see kids quite enjoying it.
-Katamari Damashi - one of the few ps3 games i have completed. it is just so awesome.

Oh I've clearly been tricked in forming my own opinion, how could I have been so blind to their treachery?!

Yes, all them things ARE needed for a good story because without them you have the likes of a princess being kidnapped for the umpteenth time. To identify with a real audience, in my opinion, you need real issues, not the clichéd crap Nintendo are spoon feeding us.
coz story is the only thing that makes a game good. although its opinion based, gameplay of mario and zelda is alot more enjoyable than alot of games on other consoles. some games don't need a good plot. they're just fun to play. don't get me wrong, i do enjoy having a good plot in games and feel that playing yakuza was time well spent, just its not the only thing thats enjoyable in games.

And no I can't deny that, Only about 5 third party games are worth getting. First party of course are pretty much all brilliant classics, excluding the odd few. I think that WiiWare is a gamers getaway for Wii, there are so many brilliant games for that service it's unreal. Also Virtual Console..Which I think is reason enough to own a Wii and not let it gather too much dust in my opinion.

I just don't like that the console itself has got this label, because there are many games that are just some of the best that this generation has seen, on any console, And people seem to overlook that.
Virtual console is definatlly good. and if ur looking at having childish fun, its always nice to play the old games from when you were a kid as you also get nostalgia.

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty
May 31st, 2010, 12:53 PM
I think that game companies should start making videogames again. Because recently, they haven't been. Sure, game companies have been making stuff Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty - "mature" stuff, but those aren't really videogames. Videogames are meant to be for kids. There aren't enough good videogames for kids.

There are only a few companies who put any effort into developing children's games nowadays. For most game companies, children's games are just a side thing that they do to make some extra money to fund their new "mature" game. I think that is bad. I think it is okay to have some mature games, but most games should be for children.

I think it is really a shame that the videogames industry is moving in this "mature" direction. I go into a game shop, and there aren't enough game cases with primary colors on them. And all the games have really grim titles. It's so sad.

Mmm...in one way I can see what you're saying. Yet arguably, video games were marketed at children originally, but those children have now grown up and are still playing video games. Naturally this means that games have to 'mature' to meet their audience. To look at an example now a bit obscure, Gerry Anderson (think Thunderbirds) began his career with puppets making a pretty airheaded show called The Adventures of Twizzle, and ended with Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons, in which people died in HORRIBLE WAYS. He understood that the audience who had started with Twizzle were growing up, and matured his shows to match.

This being said...I am growing fed-up with the number of games out there that are basically "shoot person x in face" and the competition that ensues around which console shows the most detail in the ensuing brains. The Wii is lambasted on games forums world-wide for its 'kiddy' content, despite the fact that many adults enjoy playing Wii games because they're a break from the sepia-toned battlegrounds displayed on the Playstation and Xbox. (That's not relevant to 100% of their games, of course). I wish people would stop equating sex and violence with maturity. Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction is one of the most violent films I've ever seen, but I love it because it has a mature and interesting (not to mention TWISTY AS HELL) storyline. But when you translate something like that into a game, either the extreme violence has to go, or the storyline. And most of the time, it's the storyline. As I love games solely on how interesting the characters are, or how much I love the mystery, that means that violent games aren't for me. On the flip side of the coin, however, there are gamers who don't care about storylines - they just want to blast some heads, and as someone who spent her teenage years avenging myself against school bullies by blowing off heads in Unreal Tournament, I can see where they're coming from.

So you have two main things to consider: 1) video games are not just for children, and that means there has to be more violent games out there, as this is the basic nature of the human race; and 2) Nintendo will always be there to provide the games that interest people not interested in violence.

tl;dr violent games for the most part bore me, I wish people would give puzzle games a break, Gerry Anderson's shows were awesome, I'm off to blast some heads on UT.

Sneeze
May 31st, 2010, 02:06 PM
coz story is the only thing that makes a game good. although its opinion based, gameplay of mario and zelda is alot more enjoyable than alot of games on other consoles. some games don't need a good plot. they're just fun to play. don't get me wrong, i do enjoy having a good plot in games and feel that playing yakuza was time well spent, just its not the only thing thats enjoyable in games.

Unless a game has truly exceptional gameplay than I personally find without a story I grow tired if a game quickly. Mario rarely cuts the mustard for me there, and tbh Zelda has a pretty decent story imo, well, some of them. But even then I could still reel a list of games that both have better gameplay and stories then both them, imo, at least.

Avatar
May 31st, 2010, 02:32 PM
There heaps of awesome E games out there. Unfortunatelly most are made in japan and never make it overseas as america are dumb like that.
These games don't make it outside of Japan because they based on a culture different from ours, and a lot of the references in the games won't make any sense to a person who does not live in Japan.

Your weeaboo is showing.

KnilShadowLink
May 31st, 2010, 03:03 PM
Last Monday. It's Super Mario Galaxy 2, by the way.
Super Mario Galaxy is overrated. While I've yet to play SMG2 I'll assume that it will be overrated as well as the first one. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed SMG, and I intend on playing the 2nd one, it's just that I felt that the game was great, just not perfect like everyone makes it out to be.

O_O Damn, I keep commenting...must resist urge to comment.

Oh and Avatar, I apologize...I went back and reread the post. That's why I didn't want to get involved in this thread, because my emotions would rise (I know this is silly...) and I would read only what I want to read. -_-'
Sorry, again...

Barney.
May 31st, 2010, 03:27 PM
While I've yet to play SMG2 I'll assume that it will be overrated as well as the first one.

No. No. No.

It's better than it's predecessor, it's brilliant don't make assumptions. AAAAHHH.

vibratingcat
June 1st, 2010, 03:38 AM
These games don't make it outside of Japan because they based on a culture different from ours, and a lot of the references in the games won't make any sense to a person who does not live in Japan.

Your weeaboo is showing.
thats true i guess, though there is only one game which didnt make it (rhythm damashi got changed to elite beat agents). Doesn't mean it's a bad game. those games are relevant to the topic, games which are made for anybody including kids. Japan just has alot of them. Westerners usually try and make more mature games.
Also i'm half japanese. so i aint a "weeaboo". god thats such a horrible word. puts down people for liking something that other people don't necessary like.
i thought moderators were nice people :(