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chella182
June 26th, 2010, 04:17 AM
Same, i'm also goign to put alot of time intot his game.

The old games aren't comming back, maybe remakes but i need to accept that.

The old gens in my mind will always be the best, but i need to get over them and enjoy the new ones.

I guess thats that.

My thoughts exactly.

Although I really don't like the look of that gear Pokemon :\

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty
June 26th, 2010, 05:23 AM
Speak for yourself.
I've played all of the games as they are released.
I'm also an extremely nostalgic person.
The later generations are just as good objectively, if not better.

Anyone who says otherwise is suffering from Nostalgia, which is okay; it's perfectly normal. But you need to understand that's all it is.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment post, the last paragraph throws me. People's opinions are not just tainted by nostalgia - there are people who genuinely love the older generations because stylistically, the older gens suit them. However, when those people start using the excuse "oh well the older gens were better for everyone because now Nintendo sucks!" etc., then you have a case of Nostalgia Freak throwing their toys out of the proverbial pram.

iPowers
June 28th, 2010, 04:17 PM
no, blaziken is the worst pokemon ever imo. this thing looks like a mexican wrestler, something that should be in digimon.

That's ludicolo and Hariyama, not Blaziken. Dude say something like he looks like jackie Chan's sidekick. That would make more sense than what you just said.



Whilst I agree with the sentiment post, the last paragraph throws me. People's opinions are not just tainted by nostalgia - there are people who genuinely love the older generations because stylistically, the older gens suit them. However, when those people start using the excuse "oh well the older gens were better for everyone because now Nintendo sucks!" etc., then you have a case of Nostalgia Freak throwing their toys out of the proverbial pram.

Yes dude we all miss the older ones but this is ridulous I mean the new ones are so awseome. i love the changes. There's more things to do. I don't see why anyone would complain. It's change. Everything changes in all genres. it can be music, it can be video games, it can be a site, it can be your country. That's LIFE. Grow up and accept it.

Youtube, we all hated the new layout but we got used to it and we love it now.

So many things I can say. This may not be Youtube but people will definitely get used to it. Give it a chance. Sorry it isn't that wonderful 8-bit music with all the glitches and the quick gameplay. We all miss it but it's change and honestly it's for the best. I enjoy the new pokemon especially legendaries. it's awesome.

There's also Yu-gi-oh, and other fighting games. yes ther'es new stuff. It happens. Just grow up and accept it.

Zackraa
June 28th, 2010, 04:49 PM
Pretty much this

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7870/12741354930016125821.png

funnykid
June 28th, 2010, 05:44 PM
I want to point out that, in my opinion, the changes they're making to the legendaries (ie. Dialga/Palkia styled ones) are good.

Legendaries are meant to be legendary, they're meant to be special and all-powerful gods. They're not supposed to be simple or whatever, they're meant to be different. It's better if you can actually tell the difference between legendaries and normal Pokémon at a glance, and now you can.

THIS. This is what I dislike about the new generations. The old legendary Pokemon were not meant to be gods. Mew held the DNA to all Pokemon, but it didn't create Pokemon. Likewise, the three birds were just rare Pokemon that were told of in legends. Celebi did not create or rule time, it just travelled through it. Lugia did not create the ocean, it just hid in deep inside one due to its apparent destructive forces. I think people are confusing the terms "legendary" and "gods". Legendaries =/= gods.

Pokemon was still playful and lighthearted until it got bogged down in Gen 3 and 4 by all these grand schemes and "gods". Team Rocket was just greedy for money, not control for the entire universe. It's much more realistic; much like a mafia in real life. Now you have one 10-year old kid capturing and, by extension, controlling time, space, ground, oceans, sky, and the universe. It just takes away from the immersiveness and believability of the plot.

On to Pokemon designs. I don't expect "natural" Pokemon. In fact, I feel the new Pokemon in a way are TOO "natural". Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon somehow managed to have this cartoonish design while retaining the organic feeling of the creatures. Now I feel the Pokemon are overdesigned. Just look at the sea otter for example, a printed/painted shell on it's coat?

Now, it would be too rash to say ALL new Pokemons are ugly/overdesigned. Of course, there are good designs in every generation. But these gems are becoming increasingly sparse in this overall trend in overcomplication of designs.

dieter57
June 28th, 2010, 05:54 PM
in my honest opinion.......
it's pokemon.....
don't look to hard into it.....
if you don't like them anymore, then quit....

loliwin
June 28th, 2010, 07:00 PM
Pokemon is getting sexier every generation.

Karel_Kazuki
June 28th, 2010, 10:44 PM
And its time for the Kazuki explanation of the Thread! I am standing here in the booth with avid PKMN gamer Karel_Kazuki, please tell me your thoughts on this .

Really to me, people should stop complaining about this situation.Pokemon was created 13 years ago.Alot of things have happened since then, the main thing being, births, and children coming in to love pokemon.The reason they're called Generations is because they appeal to a Generation of Children.You just cant automatically dislike something because you didnt grow up off of it.If Pokemon stayed the same,You would put it down because you would say, it got boring.Game Freak made the changes because they wanted to keep people in appeal to the games.

Pokemon has to get more complex to appeal to the times.Have people not noticed that
Town
Gen1=Colors
Gen2:Plants
Gen3 and 4:the area in which the towns reside in?
Reason being is that
Gen1 and 2=GB and GBC
Gen3 GBA, a big step in technology in which they had to upgrade graphics of pokemon
Gen4:NDS, a BIGGER step up in graphics.

And even then, the Pokemon match the Generations they are in.
Notice how the generations have been getting a more futuristic look after 2, and the pokemon have followed along with it.Don't blame the creators for trying to keep their sales up because if they didnt do this, it would be a shock to the world.Thats what Yugioh did.I dropped the card game in 07 and watched few episodes of the GX series.I didnt even know they had a new one out, or the fact that they added a new type of card until i saw it with my little family members on tv one day.It shows that, if they're losing appeal to the older audience,they have to attract the younger ones into it.Isnt that what they did for the people who fell into it by the 2nd,3rd,and 4th generation?Me Im a First Gen.First PKMN ever was Yellow, then I took a step back and bought Red.i love every pokemon game because it kept me appealed to it with its changes.That is not only Game Freaks #1 goal, but the whole marketing industry.

In the end, dont complain, because the change is not for you.

Rei Shingetsu
June 28th, 2010, 11:24 PM
in my honest opinion.......
it's pokemon.....
don't look to hard into it.....
if you don't like them anymore, then quit....

^ This.

Complaining too much gets you nowhere, it's a fact Pokemon have grown over the years.

Gymnotide
June 28th, 2010, 11:35 PM
Wait, I really don't see how there's any exaggeration at all. If you look at all the new 5th gen ones, they're pretty simple. Of course, though, I really, really hate the ones in the triple battle we've seen so far...

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/24/BW_Prerelease_triple_battle2.png

Charmageddon
June 29th, 2010, 02:36 AM
THIS. This is what I dislike about the new generations. The old legendary Pokemon were not meant to be gods. Mew held the DNA to all Pokemon, but it didn't create Pokemon. Likewise, the three birds were just rare Pokemon that were told of in legends. Celebi did not create or rule time, it just travelled through it. Lugia did not create the ocean, it just hid in deep inside one due to its apparent destructive forces. I think people are confusing the terms "legendary" and "gods". Legendaries =/= gods.

Pokemon was still playful and lighthearted until it got bogged down in Gen 3 and 4 by all these grand schemes and "gods". Team Rocket was just greedy for money, not control for the entire universe. It's much more realistic; much like a mafia in real life. Now you have one 10-year old kid capturing and, by extension, controlling time, space, ground, oceans, sky, and the universe. It just takes away from the immersiveness and believability of the plot.

On to Pokemon designs. I don't expect "natural" Pokemon. In fact, I feel the new Pokemon in a way are TOO "natural". Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon somehow managed to have this cartoonish design while retaining the organic feeling of the creatures. Now I feel the Pokemon are overdesigned. Just look at the sea otter for example, a printed/painted shell on it's coat?

Now, it would be too rash to say ALL new Pokemons are ugly/overdesigned. Of course, there are good designs in every generation. But these gems are becoming increasingly sparse in this overall trend in overcomplication of designs.

Yes.

It's lovely to see someone who isn't screaming "OMFG NEW POKEYMANS SUUUCK" or "LOL NOSTALGIA FREAKS ARE STOOOPID". Your argument is sound and intelligent and I agree with it. :)

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty
June 29th, 2010, 04:08 AM
THIS. This is what I dislike about the new generations. The old legendary Pokemon were not meant to be gods. Mew held the DNA to all Pokemon, but it didn't create Pokemon. Likewise, the three birds were just rare Pokemon that were told of in legends. Celebi did not create or rule time, it just travelled through it. Lugia did not create the ocean, it just hid in deep inside one due to its apparent destructive forces. I think people are confusing the terms "legendary" and "gods". Legendaries =/= gods.

Pokemon was still playful and lighthearted until it got bogged down in Gen 3 and 4 by all these grand schemes and "gods". Team Rocket was just greedy for money, not control for the entire universe. It's much more realistic; much like a mafia in real life. Now you have one 10-year old kid capturing and, by extension, controlling time, space, ground, oceans, sky, and the universe. It just takes away from the immersiveness and believability of the plot.

On to Pokemon designs. I don't expect "natural" Pokemon. In fact, I feel the new Pokemon in a way are TOO "natural". Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon somehow managed to have this cartoonish design while retaining the organic feeling of the creatures. Now I feel the Pokemon are overdesigned. Just look at the sea otter for example, a printed/painted shell on it's coat?

Now, it would be too rash to say ALL new Pokemons are ugly/overdesigned. Of course, there are good designs in every generation. But these gems are becoming increasingly sparse in this overall trend in overcomplication of designs.

One of the only extremely intelligent and well-written posts from the dissenters! Thank you. Even though I'm not a dissenter myself, it's interesting to see an argument from the other side that doesn't consist of OMG DESE NEW ONE SUCKS GF HAVE NO IDEAS!!!111

Personally, I like the new, darker direction that Pokémon is taking, and I can't pin this down to me getting older or simply preferring science fiction epic to Mafioso comedy hinjinks. As for the PokéGod angle though, you're absolutely correct. I love me some Palkia, Arceus and Giratina, but at the end of the day they are insanely over-powered Gods and the fact that only a little ten year-old kid can capture them is ludicrous plot-telling. I'm also fed up of being a ~chosen~ one in every single game, despite being a mute little kid who doesn't even have any idea of how to catch Pokémon when he/she strikes out from his/her respective hometown. This is why I'm hoping that Black and White will be different in the story-telling department, and that I at least get some character development before coming up against Zekrom/Reshiram/whatever other Gods/Legendaries Isshu contains.

As for the natural/unnatural...I hadn't thought about it like that. tbh my favourite Pokémon sprites ever were from Pokémon Green/Red because they looked the most freakish and unnatural. But with an improvement with the graphics engine of Pokémon over the years, even the most outlandish Pokémon have grown realistic...interesting. Very interesting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and giving me a new angle to look at things with. =]

Azure-Supernova
June 29th, 2010, 04:47 AM
THIS. This is what I dislike about the new generations. The old legendary Pokemon were not meant to be gods. Mew held the DNA to all Pokemon, but it didn't create Pokemon. Likewise, the three birds were just rare Pokemon that were told of in legends. Celebi did not create or rule time, it just travelled through it. Lugia did not create the ocean, it just hid in deep inside one due to its apparent destructive forces. I think people are confusing the terms "legendary" and "gods". Legendaries =/= gods.

Pokemon was still playful and lighthearted until it got bogged down in Gen 3 and 4 by all these grand schemes and "gods". Team Rocket was just greedy for money, not control for the entire universe. It's much more realistic; much like a mafia in real life. Now you have one 10-year old kid capturing and, by extension, controlling time, space, ground, oceans, sky, and the universe. It just takes away from the immersiveness and believability of the plot.

On to Pokemon designs. I don't expect "natural" Pokemon. In fact, I feel the new Pokemon in a way are TOO "natural". Gen 1 and 2 Pokemon somehow managed to have this cartoonish design while retaining the organic feeling of the creatures. Now I feel the Pokemon are overdesigned. Just look at the sea otter for example, a printed/painted shell on it's coat?

Now, it would be too rash to say ALL new Pokemons are ugly/overdesigned. Of course, there are good designs in every generation. But these gems are becoming increasingly sparse in this overall trend in overcomplication of designs.

Near enough this, a well put together and intelligent answer. I could rant for a long time about why I disliked a few Gen IV Pokémon without even mentioning their appearance.

But seriously, can we for one not be 'the only one who can save the world'... the hope of a new, fresh plot is the only thing that's keeping me interested in B&W.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi
June 29th, 2010, 06:01 AM
I'm keeping an open mind about the Fifth Gen.

The first generation was great, it's the reason why we're here.

The second generation not only improved the first, but it made more Pokemon to love and enjoy so you wouldn't get tired of the old ones.

The third Generation was risky, Pulling away the first and second generation regions from the game and putting in all new Pokemon was extremely risky. But, they pulled it off.

The fourth generation brought in new ideas, and some Pokemon are fantastic! Chatot, Buizel, etc. there are new cute Pokemon and new stronger Pokemon. Sure, some are duds (yes, I'm looking at you, Magmortar).

The fifth generation is only trying to add more ideas without restraint. Sarcophagus? Never before seen. Floating gears? okay, interesting. A Pokemon that can be an illusion in battle? awesome.

As much as I love the old Pokemon (OMG JOHTO IS FOR LUVERS <3), we have to keep an open mind about newer generations. When they start creating pokemon based off of cans of tuna, then we can start complaining.

Sammuthegreat
June 29th, 2010, 06:58 AM
I'm keeping an open mind about the Fifth Gen.

The first generation was great, it's the reason why we're here.

The second generation not only improved the first, but it made more Pokemon to love and enjoy so you wouldn't get tired of the old ones.

The third Generation was risky, Pulling away the first and second generation regions from the game and putting in all new Pokemon was extremely risky. But, they pulled it off.

The fourth generation brought in new ideas, and some Pokemon are fantastic! Chatot, Buizel, etc. there are new cute Pokemon and new stronger Pokemon. Sure, some are duds (yes, I'm looking at you, Magmortar).

The fifth generation is only trying to add more ideas without restraint. Sarcophagus? Never before seen. Floating gears? okay, interesting. A Pokemon that can be an illusion in battle? awesome.

As much as I love the old Pokemon (OMG JOHTO IS FOR LUVERS <3), we have to keep an open mind about newer generations. When they start creating pokemon based off of cans of tuna, then we can start complaining.

Haha. Indeed. I think what everyone can reasonably hope for is that Gamefreak don't make a Pokedex consisting only of outlandish Pokemon. Instead I think we all hope that the Pokedex has a bunch of more simple, realistic Pokemon - like Chiramii or Pokabu - as well as a bunch of less realistic, "new-style" Pokemon, like Munna or the blue-red spikey thing in the recent reveals.

That way everyone wins! After all, surely no-one can realistically expect to love every single one of the Pokemon in a new Pokedex. God knows I don't like a number of Pokemon in the Kanto, Johto, Hoenn OR Sinnoh Pokedex. The beauty of the game, though, is that I don't have to use them, and there's always - ALWAYS - plenty that I do like.

Sage Harpuia
June 29th, 2010, 07:17 AM
Haha. Indeed. I think what everyone can reasonably hope for is that Gamefreak don't make a Pokedex consisting only of outlandish Pokemon. Instead I think we all hope that the Pokedex has a bunch of more simple, realistic Pokemon - like Chiramii or Pokabu - as well as a bunch of less realistic, "new-style" Pokemon, like Munna or the blue-red spikey thing in the recent reveals.

That way everyone wins! After all, surely no-one can realistically expect to love every single one of the Pokemon in a new Pokedex. God knows I don't like a number of Pokemon in the Kanto, Johto, Hoenn OR Sinnoh Pokedex. The beauty of the game, though, is that I don't have to use them, and there's always - ALWAYS - plenty that I do like.

GOD-I love this post-finally someone that has centred the point: pokemon is awesom because it allow the player a wide amount of customization and choice: there are pokemon for every person, so it's natural that you don't like someone of them, but the great thing is that you can catch only who you want, evolve if you want...and so on.
So all the discussion on pokemon aspect are-in fact-useless.

Beechlgz
June 29th, 2010, 07:47 AM
Well, basicly this thread is just a cry of irritation as once again it seems that the new Pokemon will be exaggerated with random objects and signs infiltrated in their being/body(whatever you call it). I have seen the new pokemon starters and legendarys and find them together with the 4th generation massivly exaggerated and too "fancy". The reason I like Pokemon, is mainly because of the 1st and 2nd generation who had simple pokemon with no "ultra"-shields and random trees on their back. There are of course some exceptions in the 4th generation, but they are rare. Pokemon is getting uglier every generation.

While I disagree with "pokemon is getting uglier every generation" (I'd say gen 1 to gen 2 transition was pretty smooth) I have to agree and am very happy to see another here who thinks the newest pokemon look terrible.

I looked at some of the recently revealed gen 5 pokemon and I am not exaggerating I felt a little sick. Just because it was too much fancy and well, perhaps it's just nostalgia but I feel that the new pokemon look so inorganic and overdone.

To the above post: I agree, but in this case you can see quite clearly that the themes are, as the OP stated, just assimilating a bunch of objects and signs and shapes to make their pokemon more fancy. Pokemon are no longer creatures, animal-like monsters, but are now more like just plain old monsters minus the creature animal part.

Pyrax
June 29th, 2010, 08:32 AM
That's ludicolo and Hariyama,

Ludicolo is a kappa.
Hariyama is a sumo wrestler.
NOT mexican wrestlers.

Calvo819
June 29th, 2010, 08:54 AM
I remember the days when there was no such thing as EVs, IVs, Natures, or even Shiny Pokemon. Ahh those were the good old days of simple Pokemon.
i was insulted by a bunch of people when i said this once.


wtf lol

Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty
June 29th, 2010, 09:08 AM
Ludicolo is a kappa.
Hariyama is a sumo wrestler.
NOT mexican wrestlers.

I would have sworn blind that the Ludicolo family was based on Mexican stereotypes. D: Huh. You learn something new every day.

I remember the days when there was no such thing as EVs, IVs, Natures, or even Shiny Pokemon. Ahh those were the good old days of simple Pokemon.

I agree. I am constantly being told that I am an inferior player because I don't care about EV's or IV's or Natures. But when I then say "but Pokémon was never meant to be about maths..." people jump on me for telling others how to play. MADNESS.

Bamboo Basara
June 29th, 2010, 09:48 AM
I'm still a little confused about what is so complex about these new Pokemon. They all look pretty simple to me.
I don't know what everyone is freaking out about. I think Game Freak's new ideas are great, I've been waiting for an ancient Egypt based Pokemon for a long time.
The old Pokemon are nice and so are the new ones. I don't think you guys realize just how boring another generation of the exact same Pokemon and ideas would be. You're demanding that Pokemon never progresses.

luigimario94
June 29th, 2010, 11:02 AM
Everyone here will get used to the new Pokemon. If you still don't like them at the time of release, don't buy the games.

Charmageddon
June 29th, 2010, 11:22 AM
I'm still a little confused about what is so complex about these new Pokemon.

Maybe "complex" isn't the right word, more like unnatural. Look at Munna, Hihiraduma, Mijumaru, Palkia Zekrom, or the trio of unnamed uglies. Could you imagine any of them existing in any kind of ecosystem? Then others like Ononokusu just have too many ideas going on at the same time. it just seems like there's a higher percentage of them in each generation.

I don't know what everyone is freaking out about. I think Game Freak's new ideas are great, I've been waiting for an ancient Egypt based Pokemon for a long time.

I like the idea of the Sarcophagus, though I cannot judge it properly from just a backsprite. It's just some of the other ones I really dislike.

The old Pokemon are nice and so are the new ones. I don't think you guys realize just how boring another generation of the exact same Pokemon and ideas would be. You're demanding that Pokemon never progresses.

No, we're not. You can do new things while still keeping to the original style. The problem is that GF is doing repeats of the same old things (eg. Mamepidgey), while shifting heavily away from the naturalistic style.

XxRogueTrainerxX
June 29th, 2010, 11:30 AM
I actually thought the franchise was getting better with each passing generation. But then I saw the new Pokémon designs... and I almost hit myself in the face.

ReyRey-Pyon
June 29th, 2010, 11:44 AM
lololol'

really, if you want to play the same game over and over again. go get your gameboy or your emulators or something, and play Red and blue

I love how every time a new game comes out, the fandom complains about the change
Not that it matters
guys are still gonna buy the game anyways n_n

I for one am looking forward to the new games.
I loved Gen 4, gen 5 will be just as, if not better o3o

also. who says pokemon are supposed to be simplistic and look like regular animals
they're Pocket MONSTERS for crying out loud o_o;;
they can be as crazy looking as they want :U

Guillermo
June 29th, 2010, 11:48 AM
http://pokemondb.net/images/artwork/rhyperior.pnghttp://pokemondb.net/images/artwork/rhydon.png


Rhydon evolved to Rhyperior to be better at battling. He gained massive amounts of armor, which made him a HUGE and destructive battling machine/rock monster thing! In a world where pokemon are used mainly for battle, it makes sense that Rhydon would need more body armor to compete in more battles.

If you think it "destroyed" pokemon you aren't open to change and/or you aren't aware that pokemon is a battling game.
You're kidding me, right? Of all first gen pokemon, you think Rhydon needed an evolution? Rhydon was the most bulky first gen Pokemon there was, minus maybe Golem and Snorlax. Rhydon is made of rock, like hell it would have needed armour.

Electivire is useless. I prefer Elekid and Electabuzz. Magmortar I don't actually mind. Gliscor is a quite efficient as well, but Rhyperior was not needed.

Rei Shingetsu
June 29th, 2010, 12:31 PM
You're kidding me, right? Of all first gen pokemon, you think Rhydon needed an evolution? Rhydon was the most bulky first gen Pokemon there was, minus maybe Golem and Snorlax. Rhydon is made of rock, like hell it would have needed armour.

Electivire is useless. I prefer Elekid and Electabuzz. Magmortar I don't actually mind. Gliscor is a quite efficient as well, but Rhyperior was not needed.

Well, that was YOUR's opinion oui?
Not everyone have the same opinions.
For one, I like Electrivire more than Magmortar, but does it means me disliking it, they'll strike it off the list? Nayy.

Complains are getting nowhere nowadays.

Haha. Indeed. I think what everyone can reasonably hope for is that Gamefreak don't make a Pokedex consisting only of outlandish Pokemon. Instead I think we all hope that the Pokedex has a bunch of more simple, realistic Pokemon - like Chiramii or Pokabu - as well as a bunch of less realistic, "new-style" Pokemon, like Munna or the blue-red spikey thing in the recent reveals.

That way everyone wins! After all, surely no-one can realistically expect to love every single one of the Pokemon in a new Pokedex. God knows I don't like a number of Pokemon in the Kanto, Johto, Hoenn OR Sinnoh Pokedex. The beauty of the game, though, is that I don't have to use them, and there's always - ALWAYS - plenty that I do like.

^ THIS.

You can't just please everyone.

Doxasikyrie
June 29th, 2010, 12:51 PM
Isn't Chiramii simple enough?

Ravecat
June 29th, 2010, 02:31 PM
Ultimately people will take what they see as the worst thing about an announcement and make a sweeping generalization over the entire generation, leading them to scream "This looks stupid!", "This isn't Pokémon!" and "I will not buy it!".
This leaves them looking awfully silly when it releases and they lap it up like they always do.

Owl
June 29th, 2010, 02:50 PM
I agree with you. The first two seasons for me was good enough. Third was ok, fourth was pushing it a little and now 5th?? It may be going overboard :/

Alyssachu
June 29th, 2010, 02:59 PM
They turned badass, and I have no problem with it. :]
It's not that big of a deal to me.

Sammuthegreat
June 30th, 2010, 02:35 AM
You're kidding me, right? Of all first gen pokemon, you think Rhydon needed an evolution? Rhydon was the most bulky first gen Pokemon there was, minus maybe Golem and Snorlax. Rhydon is made of rock, like hell it would have needed armour.

Electivire is useless. I prefer Elekid and Electabuzz. Magmortar I don't actually mind. Gliscor is a quite efficient as well, but Rhyperior was not needed.

Well, Rhydon's base stat total was 485, which is hardly spectacular, whereas Rhyperior's is 535, far more competitive. By all means complain that Rhyperior looks silly - let's face it, he does look a bit daft, certainly not as good as Rhydon - but you can't really say he didn't warrant an evolution, because his stats were such that they made him a bit of a waste of time, competitively at least.

Similarly Electabuzz got a bump from a decent 490 BST up to an impressive 540, as did Magmar. And Gligar had a paltry 430 BST, whereas Gliscor has a much more impressive 510.

I guess it's easy for me to concentrate on how their stats make the evolution worthwhile though, because I happen to think that Gliscor, Electivire and Magmortar all look better than their respective pre-evolutions.

Ravecat
June 30th, 2010, 02:46 AM
I love Gliscor.

Great stats, sure, but he looks amazing. As good as any Pokémon from Gens I, II, or III.

xxChazxx
June 30th, 2010, 03:45 AM
The simple Pokemon?

Red and Gold caught them all. You're now left with these ones.

Charmageddon
June 30th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Gliscor is amazing. Rhyperior on the other hand looks like a fat guy with a bad nose job.

lololol'

really, if you want to play the same game over and over again. go get your gameboy or your emulators or something, and play Red and blue

No thank you. I'm enoying Platinum at the moment. The battle system is vastly superior to any other game, and I'm catching the Pokemon I like and ignoring the other ones.

I love how every time a new game comes out, the fandom complains about the change
Not that it matters
guys are still gonna buy the game anyways n_n

Of course I am. Just because I hate 50% of the new Pokemon, doesn't mean I don't like the other stuff, doesn't mean I can't just ignore the ones I don't like.

also. who says pokemon are supposed to be simplistic and look like regular animals
they're Pocket MONSTERS for crying out loud o_o;;
they can be as crazy looking as they want :U


It's a personal preference, that's all.

RavenStar
June 30th, 2010, 11:08 AM
One of my friends "gave up on Pokemon" and sold every single one of his Pokemon games due to his outrage about the new pokemon designs.

"They're really running out of ideas," he said. "They made an ELECTRIC ZEBRA!"

Sorry to trash on him, but I have to say...the words Electric and Zebra put together sound pretty darn cool to me.

Some of the new designs aren't great, but hey, I'm sure there have always been certain pokemon that certain people don't like.
As people get older their tastes in Pokemon change. I love Bird pokemon, but I don't like Delibird. Yet I'm sure I could grow to like him if I trained him. :)

Bamboo Basara
June 30th, 2010, 12:17 PM
I really don't understand the "they're running out of ideas" or "these Pokemon are so unoriginal" arguments.
Let's take a look at Gen 1 (aka the only gen that did anything right.)

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w209/ChiNeko_2007/Pokemon/Poison/Grimer.pnghttp://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e341/aseleniab8104/muk.jpg
Here we have the "create an evolution by taking the first one and making it bigger" method. Not too original if you ask me.

Next we'll explore the "create an evolution by throwing in some more of the exact same Pokemon" method.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/Matt188_2008/Magnemite.pnghttp://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/Matt188_2008/Magneton.png

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/firefox1362/Diglett.pnghttp://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x164/amflores11/dugtrio.gif


http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/PERDZ87/koffing.gifhttp://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/scottisaloser12345/Pokemon/weezing.png



And last but not least we have the "create an evolution by turning the first Pokemon upside down" method.


http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn202/ReyHadesSharinganbyakugan/Pokemon/Voltorb.gifhttp://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f164/j_cushway/electrode.jpg

This is also, of course, an extention of the "take something you have already created (Pokeball) and reuse it for the sake of creativity" method.

Jerme
June 30th, 2010, 12:24 PM
One of my friends "gave up on Pokemon" and sold every single one of his Pokemon games due to his outrage about the new pokemon designs.

"They're really running out of ideas," he said. "They made an ELECTRIC ZEBRA!"

Sorry to trash on him, but I have to say...the words Electric and Zebra put together sound pretty darn cool to me.

Some of the new designs aren't great, but hey, I'm sure there have always been certain pokemon that certain people don't like.
As people get older their tastes in Pokemon change. I love Bird pokemon, but I don't like Delibird. Yet I'm sure I could grow to like him if I trained him. :)

hahhahaha sorry if this offends but that guy is a dumbass! i cant even explain further. whats wrong with an electric zebra? a zebra with electric stripes (while the real thing has black and white stripes) is pretty cool

Rei Shingetsu
June 30th, 2010, 12:35 PM
Lol yeah =3=
I won't ever sell my games ever even if I decide to quit, which'll probably happen the next time Jirachi awakens for Arceus's sake :P

Haza
June 30th, 2010, 01:59 PM
Like I said before, even when the Kanto Generation was current I hated how some of them were kinda stupid... MR MIME, PERSIAN, DITTO, if I can type in the Pokemon's name without Spellcheck kicking in something is wrong. Also, JYNX and MR MIME were the first to "not look like Pokemon". Dewgong, Pidgy, Seel, Raticate, and a few others look like real animals... ur going to get your flaws in every generation and that's been the case since the beginning.

Kirbychu
June 30th, 2010, 11:47 PM
The naturalistic style is virtually non-existant with Pokemon now, which is why people dislike them. There's no reason to be hatin' on people just because they prefer their Pokemon simple and with less round features. There's nothing more to it.

So far I hate all these Pokemon, so things are looking to good. I might resort to using only oldies this time around.

Thingula
September 24th, 2010, 07:07 AM
"What happened to the old simple Pokemon?"

It evolved :)

Forever
September 24th, 2010, 07:08 AM
...yes, Pokemon evolved and this thread died! Please don't revive dead threads.

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