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Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 07:43 PM
This afternoon we were contacted by a man named Martijn Müller, the webmaster of an old and famous Zelda website. He claimed to have insider information on Black and White, and after spending a few hours verifying he was who he claimed to be, we decided to indulge and see what he had to say. Granted, we often get a lot of people claiming to know insider information on Pokemon games, with some going to extreme lengths to fool us. However, he has revealed insider information to gaming communities before, which leads us to believe he is telling the truth. He also personally showed me some developer material from Black and White, which further cemented to me that he was telling the truth. Nevertheless, this information could be one highly elaborate scheme (it wouldn't be the first time), so for now, please just take all of it with a grain of salt - it's not confirmed and could be fake. As a fan site it is our duty to post rumors when we have gone to reasonable lengths to verify the sources, which is why we decided to post this. Remember, grain of salt!

• There will be 157 new Pokemon, bringing the total amount to 650.
• Like how Giratina compliments Dialga and Palkia, a large, green snake will accompany Reshiram and Zekrom.
• Tauros will have an evolution: Minotauros. It stands on two legs.
• In previous games, either through moves or through abilities, players were able to alter the weather conditions of the battle field to boost certain types. For example, Groudon's Drought summons sunlight, which boosts Fire-type moves by 50%. In Black and White, players will be able to collect certain items that alter the weather conditions of the battle field. Approximately twenty of these items will affect the weather conditions so that they will boost certain types (kind of like Stadium cards in the TCG?), with some types getting added bonuses depending on the item. As a side note, in today's CoroCoro scans, there was a screenshot showing a new weather indicator (we overlooked it), which could give credence to this claim.
• One example will be setting up a Poison Field, which causes all Poison-type attacks to gain 30% accuracy, Sludge Bomb to have a 100% poison rate, and the effects of Toxic Spikes' poison to have an immediate effect.
• Black and white, good versus evil, and yin and yang are going to play a major part in the plot. However, unlike previous Pokemon games, the decisions and choices you make will "influence" the plot of the game. If you make "good" choices, you might get certain help or items, whereas "bad" choices could have negative effects. The point is that the plot will not be as cut-and-dry as previous games, changing depending on the player's actions.
• Tsutaaja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru had rough designs over this past year or so, but in the last few months received major overhauls, becoming the final designs we see today.

Source: Pokebeach
Minotauros? Oh wow, this generation is going to be amazing.

SargeantMajorKururu
June 11th, 2010, 07:47 PM
I like the ideas, but I think they would release a Japanese name before an English one. Sorry maybe no Minotauros, or maybe one of a different name...But these are probably just rumors. :l

linkinpark187
June 11th, 2010, 07:49 PM
Hard to say if any of those claims are real. The only way to find out is to wait until the game comes out.

enderalex
June 11th, 2010, 07:52 PM
i like the yin yang concept a lot :D hopefully it turns out to be like that

JakeClowd
June 11th, 2010, 08:03 PM
Good idea an the yin yang thing. If any body has played shadow the hedgehog for gamecube, they know the mechanics of how good, and evil choices can effect the game.
Wouldn't that be cool if, by the end of the game, you could either be the next pokemon champion, or the leader of theam Plasma (or what ever team)?
And, on that note, you might even beable to choose a role:
Pokemon: Trainer; Ranger; Badguy; Breeder; Thief; maybe even a business man. Like you could work your way up to owning a string of Poke Supermarts

Kirbychu
June 11th, 2010, 08:03 PM
"Minotauros"?

...

Let's hope that's just another fake rumor. However, I like the whole decision making thing.

Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 08:05 PM
Minotaurus, bad?

Minotauros is an AMAZING idea!

Tyrantrum
June 11th, 2010, 08:14 PM
• Black and white, good versus evil, and yin and yang are going to play a major part in the plot. However, unlike previous Pokemon games, the decisions and choices you make will "influence" the plot of the game. If you make "good" choices, you might get certain help or items, whereas "bad" choices could have negative effects. The point is that the plot will not be as cut-and-dry as previous games, changing depending on the player's actions.
This is my favorite rumor, right now. I've always wanted to see something like this implemented into a Pokémon game. I would be extremely happy if this turned out to be true!

Kirbychu
June 11th, 2010, 08:19 PM
Minotaurus, bad?

Minotauros is an AMAZING idea!
Tauros doesn't even need an evolution though. He already has 100 attack and 110 speed, not to mention anger point. If he evolved it would be overkill. ._.

Tyrantrum
June 11th, 2010, 08:21 PM
Tauros doesn't even need an evolution though. He already has 100 attack and 110 speed, not to mention anger point. If he evolved it would be overkill. ._.
^ this

A pre-evolution on the other hand...

Timbjerr
June 11th, 2010, 08:26 PM
As cool as some of these are, the dead giveaway that these are completely fabricated is the fact that Minotauros was given an English name instead of a Japanese one. XD

I still want to see a karmic branching plotline. :D

Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Tauros doesn't even need an evolution though. He already has 100 attack and 110 speed, not to mention anger point. If he evolved it would be overkill. ._.
He has he potential to be amazing though.
Up him to 120/130 Attack, keep his speed the same.

Electabuzz, Magmar, and Scyther didn't need evolutions either, but they sure helped.

As cool as some of these are, the dead giveaway that these are completely fabricated is the fact that Minotauros was given an English name instead of a Japanese one. XD
Minotauros could be its Japanese name. . . In Japan Tauros is just Kentauros.

Kirbychu
June 11th, 2010, 08:32 PM
He has he potential to be amazing though.
Up him to 120/130 Attack, keep his speed the same.

Electabuzz, Magmar, and Scyther didn't need evolutions either, but they sure helped.


Minotauros could be its Japanese name. . . In Japan Tauros is just Kentauros.
Tauros doesn't need an evolution; he needs a better movepool.

Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Like I said though, even if a Pokémon doesn't need an evolution, getting one can still be a lucky break.

Also regardless of stats, a minotaur would just be cool?

Khrysta
June 11th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Ying and Yang is NOT good versus evil. It resembles the balance of natures, the aggressive Yang and the gentle Ying. Men are born with more Yang and Women are born with more Ying. Both still possess the qualities of the other, but need one of the opposite to create new life through balance.

Good versus Evil in terms of Ying and Yang is a western rendition to it. Since most of the Pokemon games are more influenced by the oriental heritage, this is highly doubtful.

As for Minotauros. Would be cool, but not likely because of Tauros's stats, and the fact that it has an english name.

If this is the owner of an RP site, I question how he could even get his hands on this information like this other than through word of mouth from other people speculating the same thing.

Yes, this is highly, HIGHLY false.

Zoroark-Nightmare
June 11th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Oooh.. Minotaurus will be interesting!
But you never know until the game comes out! ._."

Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 09:01 PM
As for Minotauros. Would be cool, but not likely because of Tauros's stats, and the fact that it has an english name.
Tauros' name in Japan is Kentauros, making Minotauros a completely viable Japanese name, as addressed earlier.
Also, Pokémon with higher stats have been given evolutions before.

If this is the owner of an RP site, I question how he could even get his hands on this information like this other than through word of mouth from other people speculating the same thing.
This person is the owner of a Zelda website, has given insider information before, and is personally believed by the webmaster of Pokébeach.
I fail to see how this is a case of word of mouth.

Yes, this is highly, HIGHLY false.
False? Maybe. Highly false? Lolwat.

22sa
June 11th, 2010, 09:04 PM
157? Impressive : )

Large green snake is so not needed -_-

SargeantMajorKururu
June 11th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Rayquaza lookalike? WHY?????

JP
June 11th, 2010, 09:43 PM
Some of this stuff sounds interesting. I can't see the third Pokemon of the trio being green though... They already have a green, Legendary Dragon. I can't see them repeating this.

The whole good-bad influenced plot is definitely cool and would definitely give us a bit more of a modern RPG feel.

Haza
June 11th, 2010, 09:53 PM
Why would we need a 3rd installment of a Large Green Cobra? Too close to Rayquaza and we JUST got introduced to Tsutaaja. I think this is fake... at least I hope it is but the weather effects sound great.

Khrysta
June 11th, 2010, 09:55 PM
This person is the owner of a Zelda website, has given insider information before, and is personally believed by the webmaster of Pokébeach.
I fail to see how this is a case of word of mouth.

He has to get his information somewhere and I don't see some owner of an RP board having connections with the development crew of Game Freak unless he has some major business outside. Its word of mouth because he has to be getting information second hand if its not fan made info to begin with.

Highly unlikely and its highly false information if the guy can't show proof of his claim with possible picture to support his claim.

Companies don't just leak any information without a purpose. The Corocoro leaks are to build hype. The one about Zerkom in a blog was from a first hand source that was accidental and not meant to be seen until today or a later date. The new rumors posted seem to be mainly playing off of what was given in today's leak with a highly creative imagination.

(I'm a very skeptical person)


As for those that were single and got Evos. Onix's only GOOD stat was Defense which is 160. Second Best was Speed which was 70. Everything esle was below 50. For Steelix, so mych stuff drops just to give it 30 more defense. Speed drops all the way to 30. Magmar was pretty bad. Electabuzz is a bit better, but his abilities don't make him rape. Scyther still not that great and only has Technician as a good ability.

All of these also evolve by item, not that that has a lot of meaning.

Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 10:00 PM
1. Tauros could evolve by item too?
2. Tauros is no better than any of the Pokémon you mentioned if not worse.

I'm not saying this information is real, I'm just saying shrugging it off as false with no real evidence either way is dumb.
Seriously, read the post. If the guy had enough evidence to convince Pokébeach, he obviously has at least a chance of being correct.

Khrysta
June 11th, 2010, 10:17 PM
The webmaster for Pokebeach also said its his duty to post rumors because they are a fan site. Accepting it as true because one site put it up is kinda ridiculous. He could have easily showed us the proof that the guy gave him. Seeing as he said he was given some.

If you are gullible to believe everything you hear, then Light types are defiantly in the new games. Pokebeach is one fan made site for the card game. If these rumors were to be places in say, Bulbapedia or Serebii which act as resource sites made for the games. His only credit for posting is because he actually went and looked up to see if the guy may have any credit and to see if the guy is who he said he was. At best this is just more fan made information that could be true, but safer to say is false until proven to be true. Just like the discussion on Light types.

He also stated that there were more ways to boost type damage with weather based moves or items with similar effects. his basis was a weather checker application somewhere in the game. If anything, a weather checker would mean we now have free roaming weather. Not Route specific rain and Sun like in the R/S/E D/P/Pt games. There may be traveling rain storms that go across the region or you can see if you get a weather bonus in that route or area. It could mean a lot of things, but using the new application that hasn't been given any information on other sites that are also following these released just a closely as a defense to support his claim show holes in the claim itself. We don't know what it does, yes. Could this be true, maybe, but don't hold your breath.

As for Tauros. Stat wise he is still better than Scyther which had the best stats out of all that were listed. All the others had poor stats and the evolutions just gave them more balance. Scyther benefited from his evolution though some would rather use Scyther more than Scizor. Really only thing that upsets Tauros is its Move pool.

alextreme
June 11th, 2010, 10:20 PM
Rayquaza lookalike? WHY?????
I was thinking the very same thing.

lx_theo
June 11th, 2010, 10:24 PM
Decisions changing story? I've wanted this for forever! I'm like a kid in a candy store right now, who happen to have just ran into a random store, thinking it to be a candy store.

Ravecat
June 11th, 2010, 10:25 PM
The webmaster for Pokebeach also said its his duty to post rumors because they are a fan site. Accepting it as true because one site put it up is kinda ridiculous. He could have easily showed us the proof that the guy gave him. Seeing as he said he was given some.

Oh, sorry, where did I say I accepted it as true? Oh, yes, I didn't (Hell, the title is "New Rumours" not "New Confirmed Information").
I'm saying that it's possible, not that it's fact.

More so than the Light Type, which was a stupid comparison because nobody who has ever given inside information before or is trusted by a popular/reasonable webmaster has stated there will be a Light Type. Just stupid fans.

Also, Pokebeach is easily as credible as Serebii and there are numerous reasons Pokebeach wouldn't be able to display developer material, including legal ones.

Oh, also, Martijn Müller is not some "rp site owner", he's a Dutch reporter. He was also the first ever to report Sony's 'Playstation Home'.

SO, read the whole post and take it as such, don't pick it apart and attempt to debunk something that isn't there to be debunked.

vibratingcat
June 12th, 2010, 12:22 AM
i like the yin yang concept a lot :D hopefully it turns out to be like that
isnt yin and yang the balance between dark and light? not 'if you do something good, good stuff will happen' and vice versa?
well either way, decision making would be a really nice way of tweaking up pokemon. as for the minotauros thing, there are ways for its existance.

Ravecat
June 12th, 2010, 12:31 AM
No, that's Karma.

Yin Yang is the balance of opposites in general.

TheYeoteal
June 12th, 2010, 12:34 AM
No branching storylines, stop trying to turn pokemon into a generic jrpg.

Ravecat
June 12th, 2010, 12:50 AM
It's already pretty generic.
Generic Pokémon, but generic nonetheless.

I for one welcome change. Not too much, naturally, but I think anything they want to try with the story is worth a shot.

Went
June 12th, 2010, 12:51 AM
...I'm afraid our policy is not allowing threads to discuss baseless romurs.

When there is an official source, you'll get to discuss all of this, don't worry.