REAL Reputation Abuse

[Haruki Hanai]

It has come to my attention that people have recently been abusing the reputation system. No, it's not giving bad reps for a bad job. Not even a bad rep. I'm talking about really bad reputation giving.

Just like this:
your a ****tard,and you keep acting like a saint you faggot

Now, here's the applied punishments that COULD happen to abusers, IN THIS ORDER. Note that I will follow this order, other S-Mods or higher may not. So be warned.

1. Reputation-issuing ban. Offenders will no longer be able to give reputation.
2. Posting ban. Offenders will be unable to post.
3. Temporary ban. Offenders will be unable to access PC for a specified amount of days.
4. Permanent ban. Offenders can no longer access PC indefinitely.
5. IP Ban. Offenders will be banned from PC, and can't access it.

[Kairi]

I think the posting ban in unnecessary. =\ If we find users breaking PC rules through rep, we can move them into that new group. Since they can’t use rep anymore, the other steps wouldn’t be needed. And if they use things like PMs/posts to attack members, we’ll deal with them as we would any other case.

…and I didn’t realize this was in Announcements. Heh heh. <_<

Anyways, opinion still stands; we should just disable their rep if we find them leaving comments such as that.

[Koroku]

-_-;;

How can they continue to abuse it (and get the following consequences) if they're banned from rep? --;nobody likes youMy latest rep. o_o

[Iveechan]

I haven't looked at my reps, but I totally hate the system. It's completely anonymous and it's a great way to flame people. I say, take off the rep system alltogether, it's not useful like reporting and private messaging.

[Alex_]

meh i do feel the rep system has gotten outta hand.. i got a red block yesterday from some1 who said that they hate my ava O.o

[*Chikorita*]

I understand how the rep has been abused. I recently got a strange reputation with the comment "She thinks she's the ****" Luckily, the member was new, so it was neutral rep. =/

[Alex_]

mine wasnt from a n00b it took off hmm 49 points X/

[Get-Low]

your a fag
if you dont like my calm down then **** off
you suck,crystal clear is lame booo!
Ive received 3 bad reputations,One think it was some guy at the sprite forums,the other one might have been extraordinary and the other i got no idea.
Anyways since i came back with this username i got this reputation :
evad0r I think that one was jason duh.
I didint really evade my ban,if not that i got permission from a moderator to do so.
Anyways those lame abusers should stop this.
This isnt really good -_-

[Latioscatcher]

Yes PPL are makin me get hecka bad rep for no reason One of them said im a loser and i have -227 rep points:( this SHOULD STOP

[Get-Low]

YEah? well ive had bad reputation for no reason since i 1st came up and apologize with this username.
I must of have 0 reputation poits ;_;

[PichuSecretBase]

WINONA PAIRED WITH FLANNERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT THE **** WERE YOU THINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????? Okay, I feel better (Rereads post and gets POed again) by someone who I will PM Kairi the name of.

[Kairi]

Are people really abusing it this badly? Maybe disabling is something we should consider. For now though, I’ll look into those, and remove them/move the offenders into the no-rep group.

[Kairi]

Okay, with PSB’s that was too long ago to prosecute for now…the others should be okay. Gah this is going to be a chore though. @_@

[Purin]

Are people really abusing it this badly?
I think so. I was against this reputation system anyway.

[digi-kun]

i kinda liked it better when Rep at PC wasnt really a big deal...
I think the rep stuff started getting out of hand during the summer...July?
IMO, it wasnt the spam that killed the crush thread, it was those "gimme rep" posts all over there -_- *misses poor crush thread* XD

[Arcanine]

And to think at one time we was thinking of ways to get members to use the rep system more. I do think reps are getting way, way out of hand. You now got a bunch of members just going around giving bad rep for nothing.

Like said before, anyone who does this will be put in the new usergroup. I am kind of fed up with all the members going around giving bad rep for nothing. I know it's just rep, but the members getting the rep is not liking it and is starting threads about it.

[Purin]

And to think at one time we was thinking of ways to get members to use the rep system more.
The irony of the whole thing...X_X
Maybe it will die down after a while and be the way it used to be like.

[Anarchytekt]

Well, I hope it does, coz I just got a bad rep for a post in 'The One Above^' thread, a harmless post made by me. I didn't even get a comment! You can read the post for yourself if you don't believe me. I got a bad rep for this post : http://pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?p=601051#post601051

[deathbyalice]

-_-;;

How can they continue to abuse it (and get the following consequences) if they're banned from rep? --;My latest rep. o_o
Wow, that's ridiculous. I have been having that problem too. except, they won't even type in "why" they are giving me the bad rep. They just give it to me. I got bad rep just for saying I did not know how to make hacks.

[Spectrum]

Maybe we should have a bad rep-reporting thread, where you report bad rep points that you got for a stupid reason. Then the Praetors/Admins can look into it, considering they can see who gave who rep. We'd probably have to add it to the rules though...

[Anarchytekt]

Hmmm....All this made me look for a solution and I thought of a reasonable one. You can accept it if you want, but don't diss me if you don't like it. This is a suggestion, I can't implement it as u know, so dont diss me for this.
Maybe we can completely remove the disapprovals side and keep only the I approve thing. So that way we don't have to remove the rep system and no one will be able to abuse it either. So only if someone really likes a post they can approve...

[Spectrum]

The reputation system is actually built into vBulletin. Editing out the bad rep will probably be too much of a hassle. Besides, then the newbies would start complaining because they're unable to express their immaturity. It was a good suggestion, though. ^^

[Jason]

Want to work for an Eli... (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?p=589164#post589164) November 9th, 2004 06:11 PM u no elite you n00b you lier
That.must.be.Interdpth,I.guess....

[Claire]

well Jason, you were calling youself "elite", and when you brag about your own skills like that im afraid ppl are bound to disagree with you ^^;
it's best not to brag to avoid receiving bad rep in your case :)

i have received pointless bad rep in the past, but also pointless good from ppl who just want rep back :\ (I PM the ppl, who give rep and ask for it back, and ask them never to give me rep again XD ) im just glad to receive some nice comments from ppl ^^
rep is a nice extra, but shouldnt be taken so seriously as to think ppl with lower rep are less worthy or something :\

[Spectrum]

What somebody refers to themselves as is nobody else's business. It's just more proof that people abuse the reputation system. *sigh* Can't we trial having it off?

[Geometric-sama]

You can just turn your own off, that way if you want it you can have it and if you don't you don't have to.

[Get-Low]

Maybe they should re-install a legal vbulletin hack,I mean pay those forums dudes arround the internet that do anything to your board.
The vbulletin readme says that your forums can be altered in any way doesnt it?
well maybe pay a guy to hack a vbulletin board and then re-install it.
It can have a better reputation system in wich says WHO posted it.
Because i think that,that reputation system without saying who posted it it is quite very stupid.
Maybe even add more features and improving vbulletin,Then like i said re-install it after it is done.
Edit : OMG!
I got 2 bad reputations on this thread now,i got -39 Reputation points.
errr after this is over i will tell a moderator to erase all my existing accounts so i can re-register all clean because having this bad reputation for NO reason is stupid.
look at this :

-39 points total Latest Reputation Received
Thread Date Comment
REAL Reputation Abuse November 16th, 2004 04:43 AM
REAL Reputation Abuse November 16th, 2004 02:55 AM Don't start with me son!
Prof. ELM Sprite plz November 15th, 2004 04:30 AM you suck crystal clear is lame boooo!
Bloody Garnet (PG 13+ [... November 14th, 2004 07:12 PM if u dont like my calm dowing F*** off
POKéPC engine for PCs.... November 13th, 2004 08:42 AM your a fag!
3 Sprites Needed! November 13th, 2004 05:30 AM do the sprites yourself
I'm Back and Sorry October 31st, 2004 12:24 AM Evad0r

There are STILL abusing even on this thread! no way man!

[Arekkusu Rizu]

Um, regular memebers can't and are not allowed to view who left reps, it's only permitted to moderators and higher ranks. The admin may ahve disabled that feature for regular memebrs. I know so.

[BigBoss]

Just disable rep for now. won't make ya look bad. XD

[Geometric-sama]

Yes, admins have disabled members being able to see who repped them. Until quite recently, it was disabled for mods as well.

[Get-Low]

I admit i have posted reputations to people,But didnt abuse of the system.
They arent only bad reps if not that i also give good rep to some people for good stuff
But like i say,i didnt abuse of the system.

[BigBoss]

As I said, disable your rep. you can do it from your user cp options. that way you see who gave you rep and have it not affect you.

[Kairi]

That’d be easier than digging at rep like this. Is kinda hard to differentiate form “legit” bad rep and abusive bad rep. ._. If people are spamming it, disable it for now.

[Spectrum]

You can just turn your own off, that way if you want it you can have it and if you don't you don't have to.
Actually, I have no need to disable it. I have too much rep for a few abusive bad reps to affect me. X_x;;

I think Scix's problem is that members aren't willing to give him another chance. If you guys have paid a visit to the ROM hacking forum before, you'll see what I mean. n_n;;

[Get-Low]

Thank you kyo, you know i loved that beatiful and lovely post....
Anyways i just went to the options and unchecked a box of that reputation thing,IS that how you do it?
ANd plus how do you see who posted the bad rep?

[NiNGi]

Yes, admins have disabled members being able to see who repped them. Until quite recently, it was disabled for mods as well.
I dont get this then.... the solution to the problem could just be simple: SIMPLY ACTIVATE THIS FEATURE FOR EVERYONE! o_o' This will allow you to see who likes you and to avoid people giving bad rep for no reason! i have gotten much bad rep without comments on posts that were not even giving opinions, and there was no reason to give bad rep and stuff o.o'

[Spectrum]

Actually, that would trigger a bad rep-war. Seeing who gave you the rep provokes them to "return the favour".

[NiNGi]

that's true also..... well, in that case you can simply report who gave you bad rep back, and justifying why you gave the person bad rep in the first place.....
By the way are administrators allowed to see one's user CP and see the rep comments? that would solve many problems i think.....

[Arcanine]

If members could see who gave them bad rep then they would flame that member and give bad rep and other things.

NINGI: Yea we can look at rep comments and who left the rep and all that stuff via the Admin CP.

[NiNGi]

Well, maybe you're right.... but in this case you could do something like: An ordinary member can't see who gave him/her bad rep. However, If a member receives unfair bad rep, he could contact an admin so that he can whether delete the bad rep or punish the person who gave bad rep for no reason.
Also since you admins can see the rep comments of others, you could just check suspicious (for suspicious I mean like noobs with only 40 posts but also with 8 blocks of rep XD) people's rep to see if you see comments like "give me rep back" or anything like planned rep so that you can stop them somehow....
I dont personally see any problem with that.... enlighten me please XD

[Anarchytekt]

Well, that's a good solution but not practical. The admins already have a lot of work to do cleanin up the spam mess, and they will be overloaded seein every PM and weedin out rep abuses. I'll say its OK if a rep war started, we can just give someone bad reps until that member gets tired. XD

[NiNGi]

LoL! well, yeah it depends if someone cares or doesnt care :P
Or someone who is being abused with loads of bad rep could just disable rep....
But the problem is still stuff like organised rep... some people do it really explicit, even blackmailing others saying "ill give you bad rep if you dont give me rep now"......
to tell the truth, I personally have something like rep that I dont totally deserve, because like when I give rep there are some people that automatically feel like they want to give me rep back, and so they put coments like "thanks for the rep", but that is not a problem as long as you dont ask for rep is it?

[Haruki Hanai]

You can guess how many people are in danger of getting a reputation ban, Kyo. ^_~;

[Shikon no Tama]

Maybe if people couldn't see who gave them a bad rep, things would get better right? Sorry if I'm just intruding here, but it might be a good idea for people to only give good reps instead of the bad reps!

[Get-Low]

Like i said on my other posts (the one i admited i have posted good and bad reps also)
i got something to add to it in case i am in danger of getting banned.
I do have that "why" for the bad ones and the "why" for the good ones.
Anyways,i think that the reputation system should directly be out.
Unless there is a good solution.

[NiNGi]

Danger of getting banned? what do you people mean??? o.O' *looks at Satoshi-kun and Get-low*

[Shikon no Tama]

Well if people couldn't give bad reps then everything would turn out alright. And as for the getting banned thing, why would you be in danger of it?

[Arcanine]

Danger of getting banned? what do you people mean??? o.O' *looks at Satoshi-kun and Get-low*
That's rep banned. Meaning if some one was giving bad rep for nothing and stuff like that then they will be banned to that usegroup where they can't use rep anymore.

[Get-Low]

for the 3rd time i say so you got it clear,i got the "why" so if you wanna know the "why" then i can give you the "why"
And ive been thinking right now,
I was thinking at chains and stuff so i got this on my mind :
"Chains,chains,umm... hmm chains."
"Yes like in pc,a chain of bad reputations started by one"
Do you get what i mean?
This is a chain going arround taking bad reputations to everybody for no reason,So why doesnt anybody start a chain of good reputations to take back the bad rep of the people.The one who gave bad rep for nothing may have to give good reputation to the person who did and leave its name.
I know this sounds stupid XP but if the ones who did for "no reason" dont want to be banned t hen those persons might think a bit and do back a chain of good rep to the people who gave bad rep to.
And why some of you are looking at me and satoshi? >_>
I hate when big comunities die XD i mean this problem can freak out people and they can never come back again.
It's a shame that a big community just dies like that,I have known some huge awesome communities and then they just go down.I know my thing about the "Good Reputation Chain" sounds quite stupid,but who knows it might work.
Or maybe just clear everybodys reputation,take every bad and good rep out.
So they just start off from 0.

[Spectrum]

You can guess how many people are in danger of getting a reputation ban, Kyo. ^_~;
...Eep. *hides* It's not my fault! It was... sheep! Evil sheep gave me lots of rep! o.O;;

Hm... it might seem harsh, but maybe we should ban the words 'rep', 'reputation', and any other versions of it... xD *stabs abusers*

[deathbyalice]

People that leave me good rep tend to tell me who they are. Normally people that give me bad rep don't even say why they are doing it, as I said earlier. People can be so mea.

[NiNGi]

Cool! I like the idea of reputation ban XD
This basically means that if I get bad rep for no reason and I report to an admin, will the person who gave it to me be rep banned?

[^^NICK^^ v.3.0]

What's the big deal about losing rep points?

[Anarchytekt]

This basically means that if I get bad rep for no reason and I report to an admin, will the person who gave it to me be rep banned?
I don't think they'll do that. Maybe if there are 2-3 complaints about a person maybe then they'll do it.

What's the big deal about losing rep points? Well they may mean nothing to u but 4 some other people, especially n00bs and maybe kids, it may mean a lot.

[Pachy]

i do think people are abusing it! you can tell by my siggy!

[Flannery]

I think, it doesn`t matter how many rep points do you have. Sometimes someone who is not the smartest person on the world can get 10000 good rep points, because he or she has a lot of friends and they will give him/her. I don`t look, how many green boxes someone has, it doesn`t matter for me. Of course, its nice, when you get a friendly rep point, but bad is, when unknown person blames you. That why, I think, your system is good.
Also, my opinion is, we should get good or bad rep points only from Mods and Admins. Then, we will really see- who is a nice and good member and who is not. But it is only my opinion.

[Pachy]

ok look at it this way, if you post something playful wouldnt it hurt your feelings if someone gave it bad rep? especially if it wasnt offensive or controversal or insulting?

[Rocket Executive]

Dude, that's just flat out SPAM -.-

My latest Rep. This is coming from someone who left a font 24 message talking about how lame everyone is. O_o Now tell me how this is fair for me? I don't even remember spamming in my posts that didn't at least stay somewhat in the topic as well. I've also got bad rep for NOT saying something I supposedly should have. People are just using this system idioticly and leaving bad rep for ppl not for their posts but simply because they don't like them. It's turned into a way to unchallengingly flame someone while hurting their rep at the same time for NO apparent reason. It's getting pretty bad...

[Get-Low]

yeah,maybe it would work only making mods and admins giving reputation.
That way would work just fine.

[Cassie-chan]

yeah,maybe it would work only making mods and admins giving reputation.
That way would work just fine.
= I agree?

Anyway, I don't think I would like the idea of just admins and mods giving out rep. The reputation system was made to let people give their option out about a person...including if they didn't like a post. Plus, if there is some person that keeps giving you bad rep, pointlessly (or even if they do have a point XD) you can turn it off in the User CP. Then you won't have a red rep point in the corner of your posts and you won't have to see the comments. That works for me...

(^ Essay post XD)

[Kylie-chan]

(lolz please note that this post has been seriously mangled by a day-long dare from PazzKat. See signature for details.)

I think that is so fair, you have such wonderful ideas, girlgenius. Why don't ppl just turn off their rep altogether? Such a simple solution, such a talented idea! People should look for the easy ways you have illuminated for them!

Um, I cannot do this properly. Here's the normal post:

I think that is true, I mean, you can just get rid of it altogether. But sometimes ppl might have something good to say that suits rep more than a PM. Oh well, if ppl wanna be so IMMATURE, they can just stop repping people with that other rep ban.

*rushes off, disgraced by PazzKat's evil dare*

[Flannery]

Do we really need rep points anyway? It doesn`t help, its only for fun (?) and I see, makes a lot of troubles. Sorry, if I`m wrong. Rep points don`t say, how smart or how dumb you are. It won`t make you a Mod and it is just for fun. I know, some people love rep points, but I think- r.p. are not necessary.

[Rocket Executive]

I couldn't agree more. I just see them as a more of a problem then they are worth. They don't DO anything and for a feature that virtually does nothing they sure create alot of headaches. I mean, if they weren't an issue, there wouldn't be this thread, right?

[NiNGi]

Do we really need rep points anyway? It doesn`t help, its only for fun (?) and I see, makes a lot of troubles. Sorry, if I`m wrong. Rep points don`t say, how smart or how dumb you are. It won`t make you a Mod and it is just for fun. I know, some people love rep points, but I think- r.p. are not necessary.

So true! I didnt like this rep point since the beginning: there were some really cool people in PC who had few green boxes, and then pointless people only looking for popularity who had soooooo many green boxes that u could lose the count.... I would vote for rep to be banned... its pointless and unfair because people just organize themselves together on giving good/bad rep.
Now something which was meant to be a gesture of appreciation for a post is becoming something people is fighting for.... I think its becoming a problem somehow... -_-'

[Flannery]

It is another thing; I can give someone bad rep points, but it can`t be rude or without a comment. But honestly, if I don`t like someone, I will always find a good reason. For example "I`m giving you a bad point, because you said, that James has blue hair. For me his hair is dark blue, not only blue". Sorry, maybe it is only my imagination, but you even don`t know, how clever people are.

[NiNGi]

In fact, what annoys me most is bad rep with no comment.... because the person who gave bad rep may have a good reason for that, but to the person who receives it with no comment it seems some kind of unfair bad rep.....
Question to admins: Is there no option where you can set a minimum letters limit? (like in the posts which its usually 25 letters minimum).

[Pachy]

My latest Rep. This is coming from someone who left a font 24 message talking about how lame everyone is. O_o Now tell me how this is fair for me? I don't even remember spamming in my posts that didn't at least stay somewhat in the topic as well. I've also got bad rep for NOT saying something I supposedly should have. People are just using this system idioticly and leaving bad rep for ppl not for their posts but simply because they don't like them. It's turned into a way to unchallengingly flame someone while hurting their rep at the same time for NO apparent reason. It's getting pretty bad...

thats what they said when the gave me bad rep!

[Rocket Executive]

It is another thing; I can give someone bad rep points, but it can`t be rude or without a comment. But honestly, if I don`t like someone, I will always find a good reason. For example "I`m giving you a bad point, because you said, that James has blue hair. For me his hair is dark blue, not only blue". Sorry, maybe it is only my imagination, but you even don`t know, how clever people are.

You see? Flannery just gave a perfect example of what people are doing all over the place. That's exactly why so many people have disabled reputation. Anyone else notice that? If I can think of reaons, and Flannery can, then OBVIOUSLY anyone else that uses their brain can too! It's just become a way to make your friends popular and insult and degrade those you don't like. I'm about to just say why can't we just give positive rep?

thats what they said when the gave me bad rep!

I'm sure we're not the only one's who have got this. Getting bad rep for no clear or comprehensive reason? Where's the fairness in that? So many bad rep points are givin out to people who don't even DESERVE it! I have really been pi**ed at some people's posts and STILL have never given even 1 bad rep point. So tell me how these people have the right to just do it as they please without any cause?

[NiNGi]

I'm sure we're not the only one's who have got this. Getting bad rep for no clear or comprehensive reason? Where's the fairness in that? So many bad rep points are givin out to people who don't even DESERVE it! I have really been pi**ed at some people's posts and STILL have never given even 1 bad rep point. So tell me how these people have the right to just do it as they please without any cause?

This is soo true, in fact, since i came here on PC i have never EVER given bad rep even though I disagree to some posts...
This thread is making me wish rep was disabled ._.'

[deathbyalice]

Somene just gave me bad rep for posting a thread about wanting a picture of Umbreon and Espeon, and didn't even say why. Some people are just so mean...

[Kylie-chan]

That's sooooo stupid.

We all should be able to see who gave us bad rep, at least, so we know who's being so stupid and nasty.

We need these members like we need a hole in the head.

Why should we have to turn rep off? What if we want to see how popular we are, see what people think of our posts? What if we want those "cool green blocks"?

Those people are forcing us to have no choice.

I normally never give out bad rep, but if I do, it's only for sensible stuff, such as really bad flaming or something offensive. And that's only in the post. Nothing for avvies or offensive signatures. Just report them. *shrugs* The people I've reported for sigs mostly I haven't because I warned them via PM it was offensive and I'd report them if they didn't at least acknowledge it.

~DP

[deathbyalice]

Yes, I agree with Dark Pikachu!

[mvtm]

I ve never seen a spammer , or whatever here . so never filled to put a bad rep by the forums.

I like the rep thingie . whatever is a nice gift and reward to deserved posters. But since things have to get a balance there too exists the bad rep, for me its ok the bad rep .It is just like the thread tittle the abuse of it.

Whats things i dont approve about it .Is giving reputations points without a previously a valid statement a.k.a reason . The reps should be annoymus imo to prevent flame wars.

As far of myself, i ve been target of bad rep. And it really pised me off... on the Peek topic just to post my pic, but then again i thought clearly an imagined why and i remembered it was because i posted some link that didnt work. So then i edited and fixed the post. But it was kind of rude.

[Daegon]

I think someone's abusing me. People are just giving me bad reps.

[deathbyalice]

People are abusing the rep system.. What are we going to do about this?

[HellishHades]

That's sooooo stupid.

We all should be able to see who gave us bad rep, at least, so we know who's being so stupid and nasty.



1. A gives B bad "rep points".
2. B sees that A gave the bad points.
3. B gives negative "rep points" to A in return.
4. Repeat numbers 1-4.


"We need these ['rep points'] like we need a hole in the head."


Why should we have to turn rep off? What if we want to see how popular we are, see what people think of our posts? What if we want those "cool green blocks"?


You can still view how many points you have in your user CP without displaying it for everyone else, I believe.


I don't believe the points are necessary. It creates an atmospshere of competiveness and greed, which begets more competiveness and greed -- just like the numbered list.

I don't really care about these points, and I don't really think it matters whether the system is on or off. Personally, I don't care whether someone disagrees with what I post. Granted, it's nice for someone to appreciate what you are saying, but that doesn't mean you need to flaunt it about in the form of a glob of green pixels.

The system is not a judge of intelligence. The system does not judge involvement in the community. The system does not judge your popularity. The system does not show you if others hold you in high esteem. The system is dividing the community over a quite frivilous issue.

If you like your green blob of pixels, then by all means display them. But by displaying them you are removing a double-edged sword from its sheath. If others like your posts, like what you are saying then you will have your green positive blocks. But there is the reciprocal right of others to disagree with your posts, disagree with what you are saying, and give you red, negative blocks. You also have the choice to turn off the system, thereby removing any chance of displaying negative reputation. You take the risk to "reap the benefits", however pixilated they might be. But you also have choice.

Now, my rant is coming to a close. It may have struck a chord with some of you; with others, a nerve. This is my opinion, my viewpoint -- and personally, I couldn't care less if someone rewards or removes my reputation points with this post, just as any other.


Cheers,
Hellish

[Get-Low]

Maybe let members see who gave bad rep?
Then create a flame wars section to flame every son of a (indert 'female dog'slang) who gave you bad rep?
Or just let admins and mods see who gave bad rep and then ask that person why did he/she posted the bad rep and then if it has no reason,or a stupid reason then..
spLAsh! - chau,bye bye,sayonara,yata zee
They're banned,Period (.)
Thats of what i think?People are being freaking nasty in here so thats why im not so active like before,Because for what? keep giving me bad reputation? no,i wont let people insult me by the reputation system.
Maybe admins should close pokecommunity for 3 days at least for maintance and check each member for their reputations and depending of HOW MUCH reputation the person that posted bad rep has then it gets banned or not. or maybe judge by how much warnings,I mean for example :
1 Person gets 2 bad reps
Person 1 : Insult here blah blah blah - Rep points (a lot)
Person 2 : insult and blah blah bluh - rep points (almost nothing)
like that,Then ban the person with lesser reputation than the person who received the bad one and judge by his acts too.
I would do that,i know it sounds kind of hard to admins and mods but its for maintaining pc.
Or maybe just disable sign ups so no more members sign in only to give bad rep...

[Kylie-chan]

Um, hellishhades, the only ppl who would do the A-B thing are immature. besides i like ppl seeing how much rep i have. i like the little green blocks. they're cute.

[Isaac Gravity]

1. A gives B bad "rep points".
2. B sees that A gave the bad points.
3. B gives negative "rep points" to A in return.
4. Repeat numbers 1-4.


"We need these ['rep points'] like we need a hole in the head."



You can still view how many points you have in your user CP without displaying it for everyone else, I believe.


I don't believe the points are necessary. It creates an atmospshere of competiveness and greed, which begets more competiveness and greed -- just like the numbered list.

I don't really care about these points, and I don't really think it matters whether the system is on or off. Personally, I don't care whether someone disagrees with what I post. Granted, it's nice for someone to appreciate what you are saying, but that doesn't mean you need to flaunt it about in the form of a glob of green pixels.

The system is not a judge of intelligence. The system does not judge involvement in the community. The system does not judge your popularity. The system does not show you if others hold you in high esteem. The system is dividing the community over a quite frivilous issue.

If you like your green blob of pixels, then by all means display them. But by displaying them you are removing a double-edged sword from its sheath. If others like your posts, like what you are saying then you will have your green positive blocks. But there is the reciprocal right of others to disagree with your posts, disagree with what you are saying, and give you red, negative blocks. You also have the choice to turn off the system, thereby removing any chance of displaying negative reputation. You take the risk to "reap the benefits", however pixilated they might be. But you also have choice.

Now, my rant is coming to a close. It may have struck a chord with some of you; with others, a nerve. This is my opinion, my viewpoint -- and personally, I couldn't care less if someone rewards or removes my reputation points with this post, just as any other.


Cheers,
Hellish

Please note I'm quoting you because I found intrest in your words. Let me have a crack now: Though the points you made of why the reputaion point system is there is true...From all my experience with message boards as far as a situation like this is concerned... It is a popularity contest. And that's how most view/treat this rep system thing.

Board members compete over little things like most posts or the like coming to the point where everyone is in their own little groups and they treat others like dirt or act snotty towards them by flaming/bashing them and whatever they like at a constant rate. (At least that's how it was in the message board in the Megaman Outpost three years back.) Though it's already been said like a dozen times in this thread this is why people give bad reps right down to the reason that they think your name is dumb.

Yes it's immature but since no one can see the users real face and figure their whereabouts and they feel they got "status" in this or any message board/Online Game where they think in the back of their minds that they own they can do what they want for whatever reason they want.

Of course, my example doesn't expand to everyone who goes to message boards. Most just come 'cuz they wanna or are here to gather game tips/info and test their writing skills, (like me) or just wish to make new friends. But the majority of board users who are guilty of the crimes this thread pointed at them are within the reason I made earlier.

If people like/love this system I say keep it. As far as the punishment goes concering the rep system I say let us see who defaced us and with a good reason.

Many of you think I'm a bitter loser now for my words. But that's what I think...In all honesty, like others in this board, I don't really give a hoot about this system since in the back of my pessimistic mind I think of the reasons I stated in the begining of this post of why the rep system is active for just that. But of course, I won't disable my green light since I don't know how yet...Nah, I'd keep it active even if I knew how...

...Disabling it only means that I do care about what it stands for and what others think of me. And stuff like that is too bothersome to stress over...

[Claire]

What hellish said about seeing who gave bad rep is right -people would just start wars with eachother, and the problem would become excessive.
Rep, as said before, is just so ppl can say they agree with what you've written, and its nice to read the comments ppl leave ^^
People who abuse the system know in the back of their minds that they havent earned the rep, and a lot of the time its pretty obvious when its just a circle of friends giving pointless rep -their post count in incredibly low while their rep points are incredibly high :\
If you don't like the system you can disable your rep, and it's not "giving in", it's just showing that you don't care about what others think about you

[Carlito-san]

i just got bad rep because they said my spriting sucks....most people think its good.i dont think its fair,its their opinion,they didnt have to give me bad rep ffor it.luckily,it only hit me for about 7 points.probably some n00b that doesnt know good spriting when he/she sees it....

[Brittany]

I don't really understand this reputation ban thing. If someone gives bad rep to another person, then obviously, the person has a bad reputation.
Even if someone doesn't like the other for an extremely dumb reason, you still can't dodge that fact.

Think about kids in school, sometimes kids are hated(or disliked, hate is waaaay too strong of a word), for trivial reasons, like what clothes they wear or something. See, one person may have a bad reputation for something dumb, but you can't dodge the fact that he/she is still hated.

The next thing I was wondering about was what if 'bad rep is the new good rep'. I was about to actually thinking of starting telling everyone to give me bad rep. But now because of this ban, I'm afraid people will get banned because they like my posts XD

[Arcanine]

I don't really understand this reputation ban thing. If someone gives bad rep to another person, then obviously, the person has a bad reputation.
Even if someone doesn't like the other for an extremely dumb reason, you still can't dodge that fact.

Think about kids in school, sometimes kids are hated(or disliked, hate is waaaay too strong of a word), for trivial reasons, like what clothes they wear or something. See, one person may have a bad reputation for something dumb, but you can't dodge the fact that he/she is still hated.

The next thing I was wondering about was what if 'bad rep is the new good rep'. I was about to actually thinking of starting telling everyone to give me bad rep. But now because of this ban, I'm afraid people will get banned because they like my posts XD
It's rep ban because some members just goes around giving bad rep for no reason. It don't matter if it was a good post or a bad one.

[Claire]

sometimes kids are hated(or disliked, hate is waaaay too strong of a word), for trivial reasons, like what clothes they wear or something. See, one person may have a bad reputation for something dumb, but you can't dodge the fact that he/she is still hated.

err...thats a bit strong brittany..
Just because some ppl do give bad rep for spammy reasons doesnt mean the person receiving it is generally disliked/hated :\

[Spectrum]

If bad rep is such an issue, why not disable rep altogether to prevent this issue from growing? It's either the members complain now, or they complain later after being spammed by bad rep.

[Arcanine]

If bad rep is such an issue, why not disable rep altogether to prevent this issue from growing? It's either the members complain now, or they complain later after being spammed by bad rep.
That's what I want, just to lose the whole thing all together and be done with all this <_<;;.

[Brittany]

Just because some ppl do give bad rep for spammy reasons doesnt mean the person receiving it is generally disliked/hated :\
But their post or something is generally disliked/hated. I didn't mean to target what I said to the person itself.

[Claire]

But it's difficult to say that kyogre just because some ppl post here and say they dislike rep -think of all the members that havent complained :\
Personally, yeah im against rep abuse, but i think that with ppl who give bad rep, members normally only get it infrequently (a lot less than receiving good), and if it does become a problem then the person giving the bad rep can be looked into :\
I don't like members who have enormous positive rep for few posts too, but again with those members they could be looked into to see if its continually the same ppl giving pointless rep to them :\
I just think banning rep altogether is kinda harsh

[Spectrum]

It beats sitting back and watching people continue to encourage rep abuse. Don't you agree?

[Claire]

It beats sitting back and watching people continue to encourage rep abuse. Don't you agree?

Kyogre, noone is "encouraging" rep abuse
If you read my post, i suggested reporting any problems with a specific member to higher staff such as smods and up.

[nadan the water queen]

i still don't get how 2 give rep.

[Shikon no Tama]

Me either. For me the whole good rep thing sounds good but why not just ban people from giving bad reps? It might just help.(Message to short for words!)

[Claire]

Like i've said in the other thread:
You click on the little pair of scales between the green online button and the warn sign you can at the bottom of peoples posts.
Hover over the scales, and it says "Add to X's reputation" -click that and a popup will appear. Click either I Approve or I Disapprove, leave a reason, then click "Add to reputation"

There is a reputation FAQ in the Technical Institute section of PC

But MD, the problem is also when ppl keep asking their friends to give them good rep, which results in unfair positive rep being given to ppl.

[Shikon no Tama]

That's right......I hate it when people only gives reps because they're friends were forced too. So I guess the rep thing will continue to be a problem then. But still, bad rep has continued to be a problem on any forum you go on. It's just a way of life, I guess.

[NiNGi]

I would suggest a vote of opinions for a solution to this problem.... *goes to other voting polls*

[Claire]

The problem with voting by poll is that ppl can use different screennames to vote :\

[NiNGi]

yeah that's true, even though i have put it as a public poll so you can see who actually voted ^_^

[Claire]

i dont think anyone will go to the effort of going thru and checking ips -that wasnt even done for the presidential election ^^;
plus ppl can change their ips and vote :\

i just think ppl leaving their opinions after reading the suggestions others have written would be good (some ppl seem to post without reading the suggestions and everything, making the same arguments as have already been said :\ )

[Arcanine]

i dont think anyone will go to the effort of going thru and checking ips -that wasnt even done for the presidential election ^^;
plus ppl can change their ips and vote :\Erica did check every IP on the prez voting.


Well I think voting should be done bit it should be a main vote and not just a poll.

[Brittany]

I'll make my little 2-cent off-topic reply now XD

Since the before the begining of the bare thought of even having Presidential Elections for PC, I suggested that we had all of the staff be the ones to vote.

Unless one IP has alot of Mod accounts on it, that was kinda impossible to cheat on.

And the thought of a person having a dynamic IP with multiple mod accounts seems kinda slim.

So yea XD

[Arcanine]

I'll make my little 2-cent off-topic reply now XD

Since the before the begining of the bare thought of even having Presidential Elections for PC, I suggested that we had all of the staff be the ones to vote.

Unless one IP has alot of Mod accounts on it, that was kinda impossible to cheat on.

And the thought of a person having a dynamic IP with multiple mod accounts seems kinda slim.

So yea XD
Well that's a good idea on the IPs. But it should be by the members because this is about them.

[Spectrum]

Kyogre, noone is "encouraging" rep abuse
If you read my post, i suggested reporting any problems with a specific member to higher staff such as smods and up.
Member A joins the forum. Member B greets them, and becomes friends with them. Several other members join and become their friends, so they organise a constant chain of good rep. Other members see this, think "Hey! They're doing it, so it must be alright!", and thus, they begin to follow in their footsteps. Then the process begins all over again. *sigh* Abuse never ends...

[Miyu-chan]

Well... If I were to make a decision, I would disable the lowering/taking away rep point system.
Sometimes it hurts, and why waste your time delating someone's rep points? o.o;

[Claire]

Erica did check every IP on the prez voting.
oh, zappy and i werent sure if ips were checked :\ ok andy ^^

There are problems with multiple ips -its becoming really easy to change your ip whenever you want, or just use various different computers at school, especially with aol users :\
But since rep isnt a very important subject compared to other selections, im sure ppl wouldnt really bother changing ip to vote ^^

Ya, definately a vote is better than a poll..not perfect but the best option we have ^^;

[Nessie]

It is a very simple and pointless system to evaluate the ''reputation'' of someone, a bunch of squares given by your friends make you feel important?, is just stupid, o belive is not even necessary something like this at all.

I know, because when i was here as a active memeber, i did the same, give rep points to my hypocrit friends (whose nicks i won't say, is so obvious by now), only because are my friends, so now you know, why i say this system is pointless.

Even many of the ones that are posting about this kinda crappy system, abuse of them, PC quickly become a closed thing, only for some groups of friends, those groups do also the reputation thing.

I belive, is not even important to see people with or without reputation, so why care about have it anyway?.

If you belive my comentary is offensive, ironic or anything like that, give me bad rep points, is like the other do, and did....

<< Black square rules more!.

[Flannery]

I must agree with Nessie.

Some people without 10 green boxes feel just worse.
How I said, rep points don`t say, how smart you are. They say, how popular they are. Every Member would like to be popular and every would like to have a lot of green boxes. Then they write needless posts (just a spam) because they wanna be everywhere. In every Thread. It will make them popular. One kid even said that "Maybe I wanna see, how popular I`em". Who really cares?

[Nessie]

Yeah Flannery, but most than popular people, they are people that entered in this ''tiny closed group'' of people, i belive many understand my words.

PC is full of kids, and adults that act like kids (i myself act like one sometimes, on the net off course), what ethic we can talk about?, a system like this WAS more than obvious that will end in a abuse like this, is the same with other kind of powers, many others want to be mods/admins just because is some kind of ''power'' over some people, i belive, people without ethic is always there to abuse.

Is all, now you can kick me from your forums XD, LOL.

[NiNGi]

Agreed, THE BLACK SQUARE ROX!!! *goes to disable rep*
I'll remain this way until a best solution is found.....

[xCloudx]

I gotta say "Wow." People know that rep don't do anything,but continue to waste their clicks. Maybe you should disable the rep,and something different. Only Staff can give User Points,Karma whatever you want to call it. People may be taking it serious that people hate them. I see the members can't control themsleves. Well some at least....

[Pachy]

how do you turn off rep anyway?

[xCloudx]

Go User CP>>Profile Options>>Click off the Rep.

[Claire]

As far as my thoughts, i believe that if you dont agree with rep you can disable your rep, and if you like rep the enable it. Everyone basically knows when you cheat at rep -it tends to be pretty obvious when it's a close-knit group of friends just passing rep back and forth >.> but i enjoy to see the nice things ppl write -thats why i enjoy rep
And as i've said before, if there are ppl who seem to really abuse the system, they can be reported :\

[Nessie]

If we were suposed to ''report'' any ''sign of abuse'', we could start with all the people we see with more than 4 blocks? (including mods/admins etc), that would not be so good idea a guess....^^u.


God, people will hate me XD.

**people throws rotten tomatoes to NES** XD

[Isaac Gravity]

There's alot of ways you can look at this whole rep system abuse situation as well as there's many different reasons to disable or keep the that little green light which is there by default on from what I can see...

I guess preferences go into play...But I still say if it's such problem scrap the whole system even if you have the option to turn it off or not.

[Cool Cr@cker]

If we were suposed to ''report'' any ''sign of abuse'', we could start with all the people we see with more than 4 blocks? (including mods/admins etc), that would not be so good idea a guess....^^u.


Err...What was that about.Nes If they start investigating all members with 4 blocks or above,I think there'll be no time for them to be online at all/.Nah!!! All Members i think deserve reps for their nice posts!

[NiNGi]

True, In fact I "had" more than four boxes but I was not a cheater at all - In fact i repeat that I have NEVER asked for rep, even though I know some people who do that even many times.

I feel the black square suits my avatar and siggy (XD) but I did not know that you can't see others' comments on posts anymore T~T *sighs* Gah! that was one of the things that make me miss rep.... u_u

[Claire]

If we were suposed to ''report'' any ''sign of abuse'', we could start with all the people we see with more than 4 blocks? (including mods/admins etc), that would not be so good idea a guess....^^u.


God, people will hate me XD.

**people throws rotten tomatoes to NES** XD

O.o you think all ppl with 4 blocks are cheating? ok, now ur taking it too far >.>
I'm talking about REAL abuse, not the difference between 1 block and 2, i mean the serious cheaters who have a lot of blocks for few posts..besides, mods, admins, and everything inbetween wouldnt cheat to get rep, or they wouldnt be staff to being with :P

[*Chikorita*]

^I agree. Mostly because I think I am one of those "Serious cheaters" who only got their rep due to a "Group of friends" giving me rep. Not from posts, just from friendship. I guess this can be considered abuse even though it isn't hurting anyone. Yet you all have still made me feel lousy, so I am disabling my reputation system. =/

[aaaaaa]

I got all my rep legitimently, thank you very much.
And I -do- get bad rep, cause there are people on here who quite deligently hate me. Yet somehow, I manage to max out on max.
So meh ^_^

[Nessie]

Well, when i said ''more than 4 blocks'' i did not mean everybody got them ''illegally'', but obviosly i see nobody ''cheat'' at all, wow we can be proud ^^ lol, no seriously, if all your ''friends'' give rep to you,is not ''cheat''??, i leave this question to the air, but i belive they will leave those rep things.... -___-u.

[Claire]

Rep is a system to give reputation when you think a person's post deserves it.
Friends should only give to eachother if they think that the person's post was very good and deserves reputation, and shouldnt be given now and then just for friendship, because that defeats the object of rep :\

So just try not to keep friendship groups continually giving rep to eachother just for 'friendship'. Don't give rep unless its truly deserved ^^

[Kairi]

Okay…IMO, this whole rep issue isn’t about the spreading of GOOD rep. The fact is the system is inherently flawed—either it’s not used at all, or differently than ideal. Everyone uses rep in a different way. Some people like the blocks, or use it for playful compliments. I don’t really mind that.

It’s the negative rep. If people are spamming or flaming through it, then we have a problem. =\ As kind of said earlier, there’s no “good” bad rep. That is someone is going to be upset if they get bad rep, either with a flame attached, or with no comment attached. That’s just now negativity works. It’s the outright flaming that’s bad. And it’s hard to crack down upon, because almost anyone who gets negative rep will call it flaming. We could disable comments, but that hinders good rep too. Hmm.

[Cool Cr@cker]

All this is nice But this thread has gone too far.*Pms a mod to CLose it down*

[Kairi]

Huh? I am a mod, and I think it’s fine. o_O We’re just discussing if we need to take a new approach to the reputation system, is all.

[Miyu-chan]

Okay…IMO, this whole rep issue isn’t about the spreading of GOOD rep. The fact is the system is inherently flawed—either it’s not used at all, or differently than ideal. Everyone uses rep in a different way. Some people like the blocks, or use it for playful compliments. I don’t really mind that.

It’s the negative rep. If people are spamming or flaming through it, then we have a problem. =\ As kind of said earlier, there’s no “good” bad rep. That is someone is going to be upset if they get bad rep, either with a flame attached, or with no comment attached. That’s just now negativity works. It’s the outright flaming that’s bad. And it’s hard to crack down upon, because almost anyone who gets negative rep will call it flaming. We could disable comments, but that hinders good rep too. Hmm.
That's why I suggested the only spreading around good rep option. =] I mean, recieveing bad rep is kinda hurtful. ._.

[Spectrum]

This is another type of abuse. People saying stuff like "omg dis topic is teh sux im gonna get a mod!!!!!!!". I'm starting to see more and more of that. Maybe we should post something about this. You leave the decision of whether or not a thread will be closed to the higher authorities, and if you think it'll be closed, don't reply...

Off topic, but considering it occured in this thread, I had to bring it up before I forgot. xD

[Kairi]

We try to encourage leaving the posting about if a thread is valid or not to the mods. Reporting is fine, but just posting say “This should be closed” doesn’t get anything done

But yeah, let’s stick with rep in this topic. ^_^;

[Miyu-chan]

If you really think a thread should be closed PM the mod of that respective forum, or a s-mod or higher. =]

[Joey145]

yeah.. they blow ur good reputation and usually give a comment like: Hi! and that's kinda lame :s

[Intuition]

Yeah, they give me bad rep for nothing :s with comment "hi"

[deathbyalice]

This is ridiculous! People one here will give us bad rep for almost anything!

[Claire]

Bad rep should only be used for ppl who are very disrespectful, but ppl are now using it just because they're angry and cant handle just talking about it, or just because they feel like spamming (and in my case, because they dont like their thread being closed). I suppose just plain reporting could be used for ppl who are disrespectful, rather than having bad rep as well :\

But also, IMO, i dont like the friend groups who give eachother tons of rep to make themselves out as really popular, when really its just the same friends giving over and over..i believe rep should be earned, not just pointlessly given

[deathbyalice]

I agree with you 100%, DF dadragonz!

[IceKitten]

Maybe there should be some kind of log of reputation so that through the day, all the rep that has been positive or negative can be logged for the admins/praetors/s-mods/mods can check out, and if they feel it's getting abused they can delete that rep, they won't have to view each and every person's rep, cuz that would take a long time.

But I don't think you'll be able to log them, does this forum have that feature?

[BigBoss]

It has happened to me (glad it was a n00b so I lost nothing) But I say screw the entire rep system altogether. it's the only fast solution I can see. Or you could have only mods give rep.

[Kelsey]

I don't understand why people are fretting over these reps. I mean, they don't make you well-liked or rich or anythign silly like that, so why must we all try to gain something that is of no value. Basically, if you have a bunch of reps it means people agree with everything you have to say. oO I almost want to disable my reps if I am going to get them for no reason at all. -_-

~Kelsey

[BigBoss]

Exactly, but it is causing spam now and many people with huge reps are targeted. If you just screw the entire system, things get alot better.

[Claire]

If rep is completely disabled, i dont see it as a victory, i see it as a real shame..the fact that such a nice friendly system was abused so badly..but thats the way things go sometimes unfortunately..friends giving eachother pointless rep, spammers who give pointless bad rep, and those who are overly dramatic about the importance of rep have led to this..but theres no turning back now unfortunately..
If rep does leave, we will miss you!

[Cool Cr@cker]

Well it might be hurtful,but are well all taking this Rep System too seriously. I mean like it's a person who has a rep fo 800 or more will be made a mod????

There are some idiots in PC who say having red boxes is dam fun so gimme bad rep!
Come on!!!!

[Claire]

...you do realise that by doing that you're also abusing the system *sigh*

[Shikon no Tama]

Once I got PM from someone[not giving name] about me being stupid for posting a shop for people to request things and I almost got a bad rep. It just shows how people like to abuse these kinda things and make almost everyone feel awful! If you ask me people should only give each other rep points by asking a certain person, getting the Ok, having a good reason, and people not being allowed to give bad rep is a good idea. At least that way people can encourage each other and we can all have a forum that sponsors postitive actions!

[Claire]

There is no way to only allow good rep -it's all or nothing :\

[NiNGi]

well, then at this stage i would prefer nothing....
I know all of us who are not abusing the system will miss it, but sometimes stupid immature people can force us to do such decisions.... and we should get used to it for the benefit of the community. I miss the rep comments too now that i disabled it, but I just disabled it not to seem competitive with other n00bs :'( And I did not enjoy it much...
But I would agree on disabling rep completely, because there are no other solutions apparently:
If rep can only be given by mods or admins, they would definitely have some friends, and they would involountarily tend to give rep more often to them than others...

Also if someone has much rep and it can only be given by admins and mods, some people may tend to become friend to this 'popular' preson because it may lead them to popularity too..... but is that real friendship? thats just a problem that will lead PC to an unfriendly environment...

In my opinion if we do sacrifice rep is for the benefit of the community, and mature people should get used to it, even if it will surely leave a bitter taste...

This is just an opinion from this humble ninja.... the rest is up to you....

[Cool Cr@cker]

We try to encourage leaving the posting about if a thread is valid or not to the mods. Reporting is fine, but just posting say “This should be closed” doesn’t get anything done

But yeah, let’s stick with rep in this topic. ^_^;
OMG!Sorry DOnt scream guys my ears are clogged@
Maybe there should be a report REp Button.IF anyone feels someone's missuing it. They Can use it and maybe the mods can find out who it is and warn the person!

Hey this sounds great!

[Shikon no Tama]

Why not we leave the rep system as it is, and if people want to add rep to someone they have to ask a Mod and give them a good reason and person to be given the good rep to. At least that way we know who's giving the good rep, and who's not.

[Soph]

Why not we leave the rep system as it is, and if people want to add rep to someone they have to ask a Mod and give them a good reason and person to be given the good rep to. At least that way we know who's giving the good rep, and who's not.Yeah, and then the poor mods would be overrun with hundreds of PM's just asking 'can I give rep to this member?' or 'can I give rep to that member?'; No mod has the time to reply to endless such PM's as well as do their modding duties, sorry.

[Poke]

Well the only thing we can do is hope people can be mature and do whats right. If people cant be trustworthy thats their own fault. Weve just gotta hope that the good people outweigh the bad. If not then its their own fault they can not be trusted. One day they will be caught. Lets just hope there is alot of mature people

[Soph]

Once again, I commend Poke, who appears to be a very mature new member! ^_~

[Poke]

Thank you very much Soph Im just trying to be myself

[Soph]

well its a good self to be then! ;)

[Poke]

Heh thx alot! Ill make sure Im that when I get on.

[Soph]

anyway we better get back on topic before we get told off :P XD.

[Poke]

As for the facts of the rep system Ive said what Ie said so Ill just wait till I get to another idea *sits down to think*

[Spectrum]

Well the only thing we can do is hope people can be mature and do whats right. If people cant be trustworthy thats their own fault. Weve just gotta hope that the good people outweigh the bad. If not then its their own fault they can not be trusted. One day they will be caught. Lets just hope there is alot of mature people
This is what I hoped could happen. But unfortunately, some of the people on these forums could care less about how immature they're being by abusing the system... *sigh*

[Poke]

Most people who abuse the system would say stuff like this (my opinion)
Im just gonna do this because this person pissed me off. They would do it because one of the mods told them something they couldnt do so they decided it would be funny if they stirred up trouble for the mods to deal with. It is not a very valid excuse for people who do it for that reason

[Spectrum]

Exactly, it's abusive, immature, and stupid. Some people have too much time on their hands.

[Poke]

Luckily Im not one of those people

[Claire]

It's both the bad rep and the excessive good rep.
Aside from the spamming, another problem is that ppl are being too personal regarding receiving bad rep from spammers -it's always best to ignore it. Ppl also take rep too seriously, regarding it as showing how popular they are..it's not really about that, especially since a lot of ppl abuse the system by getting their friends to give them pointless rep back and forth to boost their rep count.
The point of rep is to enjoy the comments left by other ppl, not to use it as a popularity contest :\

[NiNGi]

It's both the bad rep and the excessive good rep.
Aside from the spamming, another problem is that ppl are being too personal regarding receiving bad rep from spammers -it's always best to ignore it. Ppl also take rep too seriously, regarding it as showing how popular they are..it's not really about that, especially since a lot of ppl abuse the system by getting their friends to give them pointless rep back and forth to boost their rep count.
The point of rep is to enjoy the comments left by other ppl, not to use it as a popularity contest :\
Yes indeed, but as I have already said, even though this rep system could be fun for the non abusers, there are some slightly st00pid (XD) and immature people who abuse it, and this is one of the reasons why some people have spotted some problems going on within the community (like for example the 'race to popularity' that is still going on also through the rep system).
I remember when I was a kid... There were some videogames that we played (I think it was the NES XD) and it was fun to play, but then, when 'someone' (my brother) started abusing it by playing it too much, my mum had to remove it for both of us... that may have seemed unfair to me, but sometimes some things just have to be accepted for the benefit of others... like in this situation here on PC, the rep system is fun for itself, and i really enjoyed it, but there are some people that abuse it, and trust me, those people are many and i know many of them... If we must ban rep doesnt mean we are enjoying it, but it just means that there are some stoopid people who want to ruin all the fun by being immature, and in this case they leave us no choice... and I think if 'mature people' are really mature they should accept the ban of rep as it is, and even though we may not like it, its for the benefit of the community itself....
~Again, just an opinion... and I would accept the ban of rep if necessary... please take it into consideration.

[Brittany]

It's both the bad rep and the excessive good rep.
Aside from the spamming, another problem is that ppl are being too personal regarding receiving bad rep from spammers -it's always best to ignore it. Ppl also take rep too seriously, regarding it as showing how popular they are..it's not really about that, especially since a lot of ppl abuse the system by getting their friends to give them pointless rep back and forth to boost their rep count.
The point of rep is to enjoy the comments left by other ppl, not to use it as a popularity contest :\
I would have to disagree :shocked:

Lets just return to the definition of reputation for a sec.
rep·u·ta·tion P Pronunciation Key (rpy-tshn)
n.
1. The general estimation in which a person is held by the public.
2. The state or situation of being held in high esteem.
3. A specific characteristic or trait ascribed to a person or thing: a reputation for courtesy.

Its all about how people think about you. If everyone likes you, then, by definition, you have a good reputation. Likewise, if everyone hates you, then you have a bad reputation.

You can't really abuse reputation, because you are abusing opinion. Especially when considering that the worst that could happen is having a red box on your profile. Getting rid of rep is a just option, but why would you do that when people can just disable it?

So I think that rep is perfectly fine how it is. Just my opinion though

[Claire]

..we're not talking about the dictionary definition of reputation, we're talking about the rep system on PC..two very different things
People can have not so great reputation, and yet have high rep blocks because they pointlessly give back and forth to their friends.

[Brittany]

..we're not talking about the dictionary definition of reputation, we're talking about the rep system on PC..two very different things
People can have not so great reputation, and yet have high rep blocks because they pointlessly give back and forth to their friends.
But what's the worst that could become of rep? It's just something for fun. And nobody really braggs about their rep either, so what seems to be the problem with it?

[Cool Cr@cker]

Why has'nt anyone considered my Idea that we can have a report Rep system - Is it Possible????

Also The main reason for rep spamming are
1)Newbe's(N00b's) who simply look at the bars of Rep the older members have and Give good rep to everyone and requesting one back.
2)People who get Bad rep.IF they find out who gave them it they go on having a gridge against that member!
3)Very Immature members who think this system is soo cool and having reps will make them admins....
So back to the first case If there is a report rep button the mods can find out who gave that rep and warn the member.But then again there is a chance that members will misuse this as well!

[Claire]

But what's the worst that could become of rep? It's just something for fun. And nobody really braggs about their rep either, so what seems to be the problem with it?

But that IS the problem, Brit. Personally, i love rep because i love reading the comments written. But, as i've said before, other ppl don't like it because of the ppl who pointlessly give eachother rep just to give themselves more blocks (which i dont like either, since its abuse of the system), and spammers giving bad rep. Some people are quite sensitive about their rep, and feel actually hurt that ppl abuse the system when they themselves do not.
I have suggested to those who dont like it to turn it off, but they don't seem to think its enough :\
It's just a shame that such a nice little system has been abused so badly.

[NiNGi]

But what's the worst that could become of rep? It's just something for fun. And nobody really braggs about their rep either, so what seems to be the problem with it?
I can tell ya what the problem is: YOU may not take it seriously, BUT there are some members who take it as a personal matter, really SERIOUSLY! some people get offended by the abuses given with bad rep, but though, they do not want to disable it because they want to seem popular and full of green boxes... that may seem stupid to you but some people get depressed on these stupid things...
EDIT: Claire said it before me.... oh well XD

[Brittany]

I can tell ya what the problem is: YOU may not take it seriously, BUT there are some members who take it as a personal matter, really SERIOUSLY! some people get offended by the abuses given with bad rep, but though, they do not want to disable it because they want to seem popular and full of green boxes... that may seem stupid to you but some people get depressed on these stupid things...
EDIT: Claire said it before me.... oh well XD
Oh please :P
Sure, there are members that take this seriously, but part of what I'm trying to do is to get them to not take it so seriously, because it's really no big deal.

Soon we'll be banning people for spelling mistakes and double posts :P

[Claire]

O.o what has this got to do with banning?
The point is, Brit, that we have tried to calm people down (hence already being on page 7, and within the thread in other chat by pokejungle), so just syaing "its no biggie" wont suddenly transform everyone :P
I'm looking at things from both sides -yeah i wish ppl wrent so serious, and i wish the abuswers would stop, but neither problems have subsided

[NiNGi]

Oh please :P
Sure, there are members that take this seriously, but part of what I'm trying to do is to get them to not take it so seriously, because it's really no big deal.

Soon we'll be banning people for spelling mistakes and double posts :P
Sure yeah, and how would you 'try' and get people not to take it seriously? Many people know that its not big deal but that doesnt mean that every single one has your own opinion ¬_¬ Don't you think you're not considering this problem as you should?
And btw, what does your last sentence has to do with this matter? o.o'

[Brittany]

Sure yeah, and how would you 'try' and get people not to take it seriously? Many people know that its not big deal but that doesnt mean that every single one has your own opinion ¬_¬ Don't you think you're not considering this problem as you should?
And btw, what does your last sentence has to do with this matter? o.o'
I don't want everybody to take my opinion, just to consider it.
Why, is your opinion now better than mine?(ooh, dangerous remark :P)

I said that it was just my opinion at the end of my comment.
Just my opinion thoughSo don't come attacking me XD

And the reason I'm not 'considering this problem as I should' is because I don't think it's really a problem.

I'll let you both in on a little secret. People here like to... well they like to whine. I don't want it to sound harsh, but it's true. They want their mods appointed, they want mods to talk to someone for them, they want threads closed for double posts, and whatever else you can think of. I was once guilty of most of this stuff too.
The point I'm trying to make, is that just because people don't like something doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do. People get offended for trivial things and want it fixed because they just like to whine, and to me, this thread is a prime example of that.

The staff at PC can't tend to everything a member wants, especially when considering that most of the time, there is no answer, and both parties just have to 'shut up' and agree.
So I'm not saying that I support rep abuse, but I don't think removing rep, or having reputation bans is the right way to go either.

Some people should gain the maturity to not make a big deal of rep, and if someone gives you bad rep for no reason, it just shows how mature you are to ignore it.

[Claire]

But Brit, if enough ppl are against rep, then it may as well be turned off, surely you can understand that.

[Brittany]

But Brit, if enough ppl are against rep, then it may as well be turned off, surely you can understand that.
I understand that. It's only my opinion. I know that other's will be accounted for when deciding what to do about the problem.

[NiNGi]

I don't want everybody to take my opinion, just to consider it.
Why, is your opinion now better than mine?(ooh, dangerous remark :P)

Did I ever say my opinion was better than yours? And in this case its not my opinion, because I don't find any problem in rep since i have only received pointless bad rep few times which didnt bother me at all... Its just that there are many other people (not me) who find rep a real problem and since I agree with their points of view I am trying to look for a better solution...

And the reason I'm not 'considering this problem as I should' is because I don't think it's really a problem.
Is it YOU who defines whether something is really a problem or is it the community? :chinese:

[Claire]

It's ok ningi, relax ^^; she's finished making her point, so let's wait and see what others think ^^

[Brittany]

Did I ever say my opinion was better than yours? And in this case its not my opinion, because I don't find any problem in rep since i have only received pointless bad rep few times which didnt bother me at all... Its just that there are many other people (not me) who find rep a real problem and since I agree with their points of view I am trying to look for a better solution...
I was joking about that, chill! *points to this guy*-> :P


Is it YOU who defines whether something is really a problem or is it the community? :chinese:
Everyone is allowed their input, I'm part of the community incase you have forgotten. You both just seemed to shun my opinion.(well, not really Claire)

[Poke]

Well I read both sides of the story and I think that howeever fun the rep is, I think it is wise to ban rep! I mean its fun but its causes to much fuss to really be helpful and fun. If you ban it, people will no longer get offended, their fellings hurt, and other things like that. You need to think about the big picture and do what is right for everyone. Im not saying that the rep isnt good its just to much of a bad thing right now. O well whatever the mods decide Ill stand beside it *bows*

[Intuition]

I don't think rep points should be banned completely.. just a few adjustments in the rules :) Like that you can see who gives u good or bad rep so u can report it when he/she makes abuse of it :D

[Poke]

That would be abused as well easily because even if they had a right to be bad repped they would still report it which really isnt much fair. Also the Mods might not have enough time to replyu to all the PM

[Isaac Gravity]

Well I read both sides of the story and I think that howeever fun the rep is, I think it is wise to ban rep! I mean its fun but its causes to much fuss to really be helpful and fun. If you ban it, people will no longer get offended, their fellings hurt, and other things like that. You need to think about the big picture and do what is right for everyone. Im not saying that the rep isnt good its just to much of a bad thing right now. O well whatever the mods decide Ill stand beside it *bows*

You got a point but that'll just be one of the countless problems taken care of. A new problem will somehow arise someway to give most a new reason to gnash and grind their teeth. As long as trouble makers still exsist there will always be problems. Who knows if a resolution is made towards this rep system then the new problem may be open flame wars within threads. (And the last thing I think anyone wants is for this board to become anything like the craziness in the GameFAQs boards.)

[Poke]

Well maybe we should have a majority rules?

[Carlito-san]

Gamefaqs board?thats like the drug-dealer back alley of the internet!*shudders*Anyway,rep is a problem any way you cut it.There should be a hack to make every rep approval/disapproval 1 point.But,you only need 25 points to get a block.it would reduce problems.

[Poke]

Yeah I guess thats true... um Arcanine should we put up a poll to see who wants rep to be disabled?

[Spectrum]

Haven't you been reading? It works like this.

1. Person A makes a rude post.
2. Person B sees this and gives Person A bad rep.
3. Person A looks and sees that Person B has given them bad rep.
4. Person A then gives Person B bad rep in return.
5. Person B looks and sees the bad rep that Person A gave them, and gives them more bad rep.
6. Repeat 3-6.

Everyone seems to be against turning rep off, so I propose that we reset all people's rep to 10, limit the amount of rep you can give per day to 5, and limit the maximum rep power anybody can have to 10. Or something like that. xD

[Kylie-chan]

Pretty simple and clever, but somehow I don't think it would be that easy to edit the coding.

Besides, people with heaps of reputation who are nice can then boost those who don't if they do something good so nobody's slugging along. Like I boost the occasional newbie that comes along.

[Spectrum]

There's no coding necessary. The maximum amount of rep given is configurable via the Admin CP. ^^;

[Claire]

I don't think resetting will help.
People will still continue to give bad rep, which seems to hurt some people's feelings -it doesnt seem to matter how much of their rep is taken away, its just seeing the red block that seems to hurt their feelings :\

[Toothache]

Forgive and forget, that's my motto. Look, if you can't learn to ignore people if they say something bad about you, then you'll never learn to move on. There's always going to be people who dislike you for whatever reason, and you've just got to get used to that and move on.

As for reputation itself, what's said is said and what's done is done. Time to move on, ignore those people who say bad stuff, and realise that reputation, bad or good, means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[Poke]

Very very nicely said. I enterily agree with you.... so I guess we havent made much progress so far on creating a good idea to stop rep abuse but o well..... shou;d we close this?

[Spectrum]

Meh. I don't really care about rep, but some people do, and take it too seriously. In some cases, it's not their fault, because people have feelings too. But in other cases, it's just wannabe important-ness.

[Poke]

meh, youre probably right..... oh well its theyre own fault if they get in trouble....as you can see im still in one.... and I almost had more until someone bad repped me.....
*shrugs shoulders* so what and who cares.

[Spectrum]

Now that I think about it, I've never gotten a bad rep point that didn't have a decent explanation behind it. ^_^;;

[Poke]

I think youd have to say something pretty bad to get a bad rep but the littlest thing you say can get you in twouble

[Isaac Gravity]

(shrugs) To most rep is the end of the world...If they want to be a one upper they'll toss you a little rep, they dislike you for whatever paranoid reason they consider relevant they'll click ya a bad one.

Trouble brews.

And this is why we're all here talking I suppose. :\

[Poke]

Yeah I guess so..... I dont really think there is anything worth talking about....

[Claire]

We all get bad rep now and then guys, and yeah a lot of the time there is no decent reason behind it, but since there are only one or two people who actually have negative rep, it shows that your good rep definately outweighs the bad ^^

This could just be left open for anyone who has other concerns or questions to post ^^

[Poke]

Okay then and good point.....

[BigBoss]

I think that mabye, we should have a voteoff on to keep rep or not, like with the president voteing we had. We could put some other stuff on it too, but many people (me XD) Want rep outta here, and some want it to stay. because I know that you just can't turn off rep and have some members get mad over it.

[NiNGi]

Yes, this is just what I was trying to do long time ago but my poll got closed >_>;;

[BigBoss]

Ohhh.... but mabye we should have an offical one, set by the higher members, you know, like the President voting, and count the votes, along w/ mabye some other stuff, like the Admendments in politics, if ya get what I mean! XD We need to see what everybody thinks and make a decision over it!

[Poke]

I already came up with that idea (look above) except I said majority rules..... no ne said anything

[Anarchytekt]

I'll say its enough talk about reps...This thread is getting too many ideas (some by me too) that are not gonna be implemented coz they cannot and some are just bad ideas.
We can just leave it at this and the members are allowed to choose whether they want rep or not, so there isnt any big problem. If someone doesnt like rep then they can disable it now. So I think we should let it all be the way it is now and not change anything. Most of the ideas are going nowhere and neither is this thread.

[Intuition]

Yeah.. I agree with u Red Falcon ^^ :D

[Jason]

read my sig
i want all these pesky reps gone
whos agree with me?

[Intuition]

read my sig
i want all these pesky reps gone
whos agree with me?
Sorry mate, I don't think about it that way..
And why using that language in ur sig?? :\ I respect ur oppinion but u can use different words to bring it mate ;) I think rep points should stay the way it is..

[NiNGi]

Yeah, I guess whoever is against rep may as well disable it.... in fact, I really miss the comments!!!! and I miss rep! I might as well disable it now that this rep seems sorted =/
*goes to re enable rep* YAY! XD

[Get-Low]

OK this thread has gotten pretty long peeps,Why not decide o what to do?
Make a poll or some votings or i dunno but make it vote the best solution or soemthing duh.
But checkout this :

my friend told me 2 give u bad rep, no offense i think ur kewl but my m8 dont

Now where did that come from? Somebody gives bad rep just because others ask for it? Nah,that sux.

[NiNGi]

Yeah, in fact Having a definitive decision would be nice now... *summons admin* XD
Can any admin make an ultimate decision and lock this thread? maybe with another announcement and stuff... It would be the best thing i think...

[Anarchytekt]

*Becomes mod till he finishes posting this post.*
OK, your new mod( XD ) says this thread now needs to be closed. This is getting nowhere, so I guess it's enough talk.
And Get-Low, even I got bad rep, but at least you got a comment. I didn't even get that, and I got bad repped for a post in Fun time in pokeland. So I guess its really no use telling u got bad repped coz many ppl have been victims of rep abuse...:(
*Becomes de-modded again* XD

[BigBoss]

That's why I say NO to rep! It's gotta go, and we need to do somthing about it!

[Pachy]

there is nothing wrong with the rep system people just need to learn not to abuse it.

[BigBoss]

Oh, so spammers are gonna learn. people will not stop that, and there will always be the people who just will have a rep "circle" to get TONS of rep. The best way to solve is get rid of rep.

[Pachy]

no it is not the solution, mods and admins should be able to see who gave rep and punish those in rep circles, and there could be a report system for pointless rep.

[BigBoss]

no it is not the solution, mods and admins should be able to see who gave rep and punish those in rep circles, and there could be a report system for pointless rep.

Ermmm...... there would be too much work for them, do you know how many people would get punished? and the eport system for pointless rep is stupid, because it would be a flood of reports and nobody would be able to handle it. =/

[Pachy]

Ermmm...... there would be too much work for them, do you know how many people would get punished? and the eport system for pointless rep is stupid, because it would be a flood of reports and nobody would be able to handle it. =/to cure that all the have to do is create another group of members that can punish if inapproprate/pointless bad rep is given they would be the rep mods.

[Intuition]

Just leave the rep system as it is.. And if someone gives many bad rep without a reason a mod will disable his rep.. When ppl want to abuse the system let them do it.. If they think it's necesery :\ Everyone here thinks his own way about this rep system.. I don't think this is getting anywhere since the system isn't going to change..

So why still argue? If abusers want to abuse, let them do it and maybe they'll get punished or maybe not.. I don't see the point of abusing cuz rep points don't say much about urself or this forum.. Just have fun and just let the system be as it is :D That's what I think ^^

[Pachy]

i agree with mewther on this one but i think that rep mods might help cure the problem if it gets too far out of hand

[BigBoss]

Rep mods won't work, because S-Mods and above can already do that! yet it is still happening! People have gone to far! Rep has gotta go, and we need to do somthing about it! most here are against rep anyway.

[:StarScreaM:]

i recently got some bad rep from the picture thread saying...

scratching is for little black kids, stop posing as a DJ

im not bothered though and no i think the rep system should stay

[BigBoss]

i recently got some bad rep from the picture thread saying...



im not bothered though and no i think the rep system should stay

You see? Some think it should stay! The mods have to make some offical poll so we can vote! (I'm still saying rep should go)

[Mana Lugia]

lol, I'm not even going to bother reading the entire thread, too much idiocy in there I will be finding, I would think.

Anyways, let's put it this way:

For those anti-rep like me, just disable it in your options. You might not get any good rep, but it follows your beliefs and work out just fine.

And then there's the whiners about every bad rep they get but adamantly want the rep to stay. Shut up. You can't have good without the bad. You want the rep system? Deal with the negative consequences of it. The fact is, it's too extensive to be moderated 24/7. And frankly, who really gives a flying fish about what your rep is? If you do, you're probably a person who judges on looks, not substance. You phail at life. If you don't give a fish about rep, then problem solved.

Rep's just there to make you look pretty. Pretty useless, pretty stupid, pretty beautiful, pretty cool is all up to you. The pretty is there from the rep. the adjective isn't, so stop whining about having bad rep.

I would like to see someone whine about someone giving them random good rep for no good reason though.

[:StarScreaM:]

to be honest i couldn't care less about negative rep, like i said^^^

[NiNGi]

yepp.... I have received bad rep sometimes, once even from someone that was only trying the rep system o.o' However I don't give a *biiiip* because I don't really care on how many green boxes i have, and i haven't been affected much either...

[Cool Cr@cker]

yepp.... I have received bad rep sometimes, once even from someone that was only trying the rep system o.o' However I don't give a *biiiip* because I don't really care on how many green boxes i have, and i haven't been affected much either...
NIngi You've gotta a million posts in this thread!
Anyway Bad rep can be stupid.For example i saw a member spamming in a thread.So I posted dont spam and Gave a bad rep.Big Mistake..Cause That person found out that it was me and gave me 2 bad reps.And Told me he wouldnt stop giving me until i compensated!I never complained this cause it was childish!

[Claire]

Yeah, that's the bad consequence of allowing members to see who gave them bad rep
When ppl give me pointless bad rep, i tend not to give it back (even though i can see who gave it) -its no big deal at all ^^

[Pachy]

i dont mind bad rep either, the only time it ticks me off is when the bad rep is pointless as it says in my siggy if you dont have anything better to say than thats just spam then dont gine me rep at all especially if the post wasnt spam!!

[Carlito-san]

I like rep.Im not didableing it.Case closed for me.Also,what the penguin is black rep?Super rep?Super bad rep?

[Claire]

If you receive grey rep, it means that