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TheFuturePokemon
August 14th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Shouldn't he be at level 100 by now? So why does he still seem weak...

Vernikova
August 14th, 2010, 04:43 PM
There are no levels in the animé.

jjnerdful
August 14th, 2010, 04:47 PM
Actually there are levels, not explicitly numerical, but they do exist. Re-watch Harrison vs Ash battle in Johto. Harrison refers to Charizard as really high level.

abnegation
August 14th, 2010, 04:51 PM
There are no levels in the animé.

It has been briefly mentioned in some episodes, but nothing overly obvious. Have a look (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Level#In_the_anime).

In any case, levels aren't something pressed in the anime as the pokemon world is supposed to be diverse and every pokemon has the ability to be powerful regardless of size or species so I believe the anime avoided adding the feature. It was just a concept made for the games to make them competitive. However, Pikachu should be extremely powerful by now I must agree. It's odd that it still holds the same power as some of Ash's newer pokemon when it's been training with Ash since Kanto.

Vernikova
August 14th, 2010, 04:56 PM
That could simply refer to it's strength ("That guy fights at a really high level") not some magical number that would exist. If they did exist then, battles wouldn't be as close as they are, Pikachu wouldn't reset at the beginning of each region, and Pokémon evolutions would be more consistant.

e: They mentioned it during EP6 but that was when the writers didn't expect to go past Kanto so it's considered throw away.

Weeaboo Name
August 15th, 2010, 06:05 AM
Dunno but thinking about it in the first episode he went up about 10 levels all at once.

Agent Clank
August 15th, 2010, 06:56 AM
I agree with Vernikova.
But if He did have a level it would probably be in the Seventy's or the Eighty's.

jjnerdful
August 15th, 2010, 11:59 AM
Like I said, the levels in the anime aren't explicitly numerical, but they do exist as some manner of measuring strength. Everyone knows the anime system doesn't work exactly the way game system does.

Vernikova
August 15th, 2010, 12:27 PM
Like I said, the levels in the anime aren't explicitly numerical, but they do exist as some manner of measuring strength. Everyone knows the anime system doesn't work exactly the way game system does.

The OP asked for the numerical factor and the answer is no. Nothing else needs to be said.

BabyBookie
August 15th, 2010, 12:39 PM
They do that to keep you thinking thats why its a tv series If he was at a high level and ash is still trying t get all of his badges then it wouldent seem as a tough match to the veiwers as it is now.

Simple:

They want to make the story a little bit intresteing andmake you wanna get off your seat kinda talk

If they did produce you with the levels You would already have an idea of what th atch score was goona be

jjnerdful
August 15th, 2010, 02:48 PM
The OP's question does not explicitly ask for a numerical factor, and the question could and should be answered noting both directions, given that non-numerical qualitative "levels" are mentioned briefly in the anime every now and then. Otherwise it's an incomplete answer.

Vernikova
August 15th, 2010, 03:02 PM
"Shouldn't he be at level 100 by now," states otherwise.

jjnerdful
August 15th, 2010, 04:18 PM
No, it does not. While it does state that OP is wondering about the numerical nature of the levels, "What level is Ash's Pikachu at?" certainly can also be answered with a qualitative answer such as "a high level" as well. Your answer does not cover the fact that anime does use some hints at "levels" thus is incomplete. Ideally, an answer like "Anime doesn't have numerical levels but there are hints of qualitative levels" would be far better answer than simply Anime doesn't have levels, because anime does have some qualitative levels involved. Link in Abnegation's post shows that there are cases as such.

Vernikova
August 16th, 2010, 03:06 PM
No, it does not. While it does state that OP is wondering about the numerical nature of the levels, "What level is Ash's Pikachu at?" certainly can also be answered with a qualitative answer such as "a high level" as well. Your answer does not cover the fact that anime does use some hints at "levels" thus is incomplete. Ideally, an answer like "Anime doesn't have numerical levels but there are hints of qualitative levels" would be far better answer than simply Anime doesn't have levels, because anime does have some qualitative levels involved. Link in Abnegation's post shows that there are cases as such.

You're making this so much more difficult than it should've been. Of course there are levels in the sense of skill as is most shows that have competitions. The fact of the matter is the OP asked if he should've been at level 100 or not and I answered that there are no levels. If he wanted to know about the other factors of level (Skill) than he should've and would've asked but he didn't. Really, I'm done with this discussion over some pointless detail that seems to be bothering you but if you want to reply than do so but don't expect me to answer again.

jjnerdful
August 16th, 2010, 06:11 PM
And yet now you are resorting to ignorance and arrogance as a result of your unwillingness to acknowledge that there are levels in the anime in non-numerical form, as shown not just by me but by someone else as well. Either give a complete answer or if there turns out to be exceptions to your answer just accept that your answer may not be 100% foolproof. It's not that hard.

Nukoe
August 16th, 2010, 06:23 PM
... Fight, fight, fight, fight...

Pikachu is probably in the late 80s upper 90s. I think his nature is just to be very easy-going and compassionate. You know, go easy on the opponent. (:

jjnerdful
August 16th, 2010, 06:28 PM
No, this isn't a fight. :) I don't see how you can start a fight on an online forum anyway.

GFA
August 16th, 2010, 06:45 PM
I'd imagine it's somewhere... OVER 9000!!

Guy
August 16th, 2010, 07:13 PM
This thread is perfectly fine to discuss the thought of levels in the anime compared to that of the games. However, don't let it get beyond that or else I will have to close this thread because members cannot discuss a simple matter of levels existing in the anime or not. I'll keep my eyes on this, but further arguments and this thread will be closed and infractions will be handed out. Enough said.

... Oh, and I'll give my points on what I think about levels in the anime after I see how discussion goes.

KnilShadowLink
August 16th, 2010, 09:44 PM
His Pikachu is level 89...oh wait that's Pika -_-'

Pikachu seems to get a Power reset every time Ash goes to a new region...as people have said levels do exist, but they're not necessarily as important in the anime as in the games, so they're not focused on that much...

Black Prince
August 16th, 2010, 11:07 PM
As his Pikachu looked strong, I and some members of my family said he was level one million. xDD
This was just a joke of course. Otherwise, I have no idea what level he could be, but he can't be 75. -w-
I don't know, but with the Anime, we can expect everything, even stupid things. :/

Jorah
August 17th, 2010, 11:08 AM
There are no levels in the anime. The last time a specific level was mentioned was episode 9, we're now on episode 655 with no level mention outside "___is a really high level" meaning "____ is really powerful", so obviously they scrapped the idea of there being specific levels in the anime, and just use the word "level" in place of "strength" to use vocabulary from the games.

But of course this post is going to be ignored and the next person will say Pikachu's at level 80 >_____<

JessiexJames
August 17th, 2010, 11:44 AM
I'm pretty sure it's around 80 or 83 according to Ash's pokemon in Heartgold and Soulsilver.

There are no levels in the anime. The last time a specific level was mentioned was episode 9, we're now on episode 655 with no level mention outside "___is a really high level" meaning "____ is really powerful", so obviously they scrapped the idea of there being specific levels in the anime, and just use the word "level" in place of "strength" to use vocabulary from the games.

But of course this post is going to be ignored and the next person will say Pikachu's at level 80 >_____<
Of course they wouldn't say it specifically because it would sound too "video game". It also mentions that certain pokemon can only evolve after getting enough experience. It sounds more like level up to me.

Bluerang1
August 17th, 2010, 02:56 PM
I recently watched the episode with Brawler and I think he said: "We've leveled up Makuhita". Not sure if it was him or someone else but that made me think, "are there levels in the Anime?"

Answering your question, maybe 89? That's the same as Red right?

Neeb
August 17th, 2010, 03:04 PM
I think the truth of ash's pikachu is really strong but
when it reaches its highest level in the next season to fall again

Jorah
August 18th, 2010, 03:15 AM
Of course they wouldn't say it specifically because it would sound too "video game". It also mentions that certain pokemon can only evolve after getting enough experience. It sounds more like level up to me.

They mentioned levels before, and probably knew they wouldn't be able to keep it consistent, so dropped the idea of having actual numerical levels comparable to the games at all.

Actual experience points have never even been mentioned in the anime. "Experience" seems also to be another term they use just to use vocabulary from the games, in that case, it just means whenever the writers feel that the Pokemon should evolve. Actually, they don't even all evolve in battle, like Swinub evolved after pretty much no battling while against a Team Rocket mecha. Some Pokemon hardly battle and evolve, like Starly or Swinub, some like Chimchar battle a lot and it takes a few seasons >_>. They're not gaining actual experience points, they're not going up levels, gaining EVs, or anything like that. They just battle, and the writers randomly decide whether they're actually going to get any stronger, evolve that episode, learn a new move, whatever.

Really, the writers are using words like "levels" or "experience" just to use words from the games, when what they're doing has nothing actually to do with game levels or experience >_>

The Pokemon Special manga mentions actual levels and keeps much closer to the games than the anime, but I don't think even Pokespe mentions Pokemon gaining actual experience points.

AuraGaurdian
August 18th, 2010, 04:05 AM
They mentioned levels before, and probably knew they wouldn't be able to keep it consistent, so dropped the idea of having actual numerical levels comparable to the games at all.

Actual experience points have never even been mentioned in the anime. "Experience" seems also to be another term they use just to use vocabulary from the games, in that case, it just means whenever the writers feel that the Pokemon should evolve. Actually, they don't even all evolve in battle, like Swinub evolved after pretty much no battling while against a Team Rocket mecha. Some Pokemon hardly battle and evolve, like Starly or Swinub, some like Chimchar battle a lot and it takes a few seasons >_>. They're not gaining actual experience points, they're not going up levels, gaining EVs, or anything like that. They just battle, and the writers randomly decide whether they're actually going to get any stronger, evolve that episode, learn a new move, whatever.

Really, the writers are using words like "levels" or "experience" just to use words from the games, when what they're doing has nothing actually to do with game levels or experience >_>

The Pokemon Special manga mentions actual levels and keeps much closer to the games than the anime, but I don't think even Pokespe mentions Pokemon gaining actual experience points.
I completely agree with this there is no actual leveling up in the animation as such and there is no real gaining of experience but if you still insist on knowing the lv. of ash's pikachu I would probably have to say that the closest it would be would be at the lv. of reds pikachu in the HG SS in its 80s.

Venusaur♣
August 18th, 2010, 09:30 AM
It has been briefly mentioned in some episodes, but nothing overly obvious. Have a look (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Level#In_the_anime).

In any case, levels aren't something pressed in the anime as the pokemon world is supposed to be diverse and every pokemon has the ability to be powerful regardless of size or species so I believe the anime avoided adding the feature. It was just a concept made for the games to make them competitive. However, Pikachu should be extremely powerful by now I must agree. It's odd that it still holds the same power as some of Ash's newer pokemon when it's been training with Ash since Kanto.
This.

Level is not important in the anime. :o

beauty. proletariat
August 18th, 2010, 10:25 AM
itz lvl 255.

scretly, itz actolly "missing no." in disguiz.

rm2kdude
August 18th, 2010, 11:41 AM
I don't think we can pin point his exact level but I think experience points are a given. I'm curious or not if Pikachu is trying to resist evolving?..
I haven't watched an episode in the last year, nor do I like waking up at 5am to watch anything.. What happened to the afternoons?!

ShinyZoruaGirl
August 18th, 2010, 04:32 PM
I would guess 78....I bet like, 88 also though.

eNz
August 18th, 2010, 07:24 PM
If I had to take a guess, I would say in the late 80's. He has had it long enough hehe.

Zet
August 18th, 2010, 07:57 PM
Pokemon revert back to a low level when they go to a new region. It's the logical explanation.

Gumball Watterson
August 18th, 2010, 08:58 PM
It's somewhere between 9000 and infinity. Because in the anime the limit is not 100.

Then again, I'll just go with the region level reset theory. ****ing uberchu my foot.

shininglatios217
August 18th, 2010, 09:01 PM
That's something that always confused me. From what I have watched, it's level seems to restart every time Ash goes to a new region. If its level didn't restart, he could have defeated all of Roark's Pokémon in one hit.

mervyn797
August 19th, 2010, 02:11 AM
i remember this question was once asked in that weekly pokemon.com newsletter. as far as i remember the guy answered that levels actually didnt matter when it came to episode stuff.

Masterge77
August 20th, 2010, 09:50 AM
It seems like that every time Ash enters a new region, Pikachu's level drops from level 100 to level 1 again, and with each zapping of Team Rocket each episode, Pikachu grows one level, despite Team Rockets Pokemon being apparently really low leveled, seriously, fighting two Team Rocket members in the games, each with level 10 or so Pokemon, not going to level your Pikachu from level 44 to level 45, it will only gain, at most, 50 exp. from each Pokemon they have (most people evolve their Pikachu by that point)

It's either that, or the writers simply don't even care about the games (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitleueswu2fx0swd?from=Main.TheyJustDidntCare), or maybe they never even played them at all (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch).....

*Charizard*
August 20th, 2010, 09:14 PM
well at new each region Ash's pikachu experiences a pika-reset... so he doesn't pawn every match.

But it's pretty safe to say at the end of each region and the anime did have a level system attach to it probably close to 100

Dullah
May 19th, 2013, 08:48 AM
Well... Pikachu learns Electro Ball at level 18.... Just saying...

Ryanna Jameson
May 19th, 2013, 06:04 PM
Hey there, please don't reply to threads that haven't been posted in during the last 30 days. If you want to discuss Pikachu a bit more, there's a topic here (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=301079) inquiring about the reasons behind his strength. I'm going to lock this thread up though. ;x