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Spike Razzor
November 19th, 2003, 01:59 AM
Ok, nothing much to say. But I trained it to use non Sp moves, cause we all know its Sp sucks =P. God, you would think it learns Rock Slide, Meteor Mash and Earthquake by itself... I was thinking of teaching it Aerial Ace to back up for its nasty x4 fighting weakness.
Lv:100
Ability:Rock Head
Holding:Leftovers
Double Edge
Iron Tail
Rock Tomb
Earthquake
Frostweaver
November 19th, 2003, 02:06 AM
Um... not the best thing to do having iron tail. Low accuracy, and its special effect of lowering defense does not help out at all (they can simply switch or curse to remove it). Not to mention steel attacks are very very poor in terms of elemental advantages and disadvantages...
Aggron- adamant @ leftovers
-double edge (gotta love the improved version of Return :) )
-earthquake
-rest
-roar
not every pokemon needs a STAB attack... in fact there's plenty of pokemon who doesn't have a STAB attack at all. (ex: Feraligatr/Swampert, Gyarados, dancing Kingdra, Dusclops, and etc)
DragonTrainer
November 19th, 2003, 02:07 AM
OK here goes
Aggron Adamant@Leftovers
-Earthquake
-Double Edge/Take Down
-Brick break
-Double Team/Toxic/Roar
SwedishPoke-fan
November 19th, 2003, 03:14 PM
Um... not the best thing to do having iron tail. Low accuracy, and its special effect of lowering defense does not help out at all (they can simply switch or curse to remove it). Not to mention steel attacks are very very poor in terms of elemental advantages and disadvantages...
Aggron- adamant @ leftovers
-double edge (gotta love the improved version of Return :) )
-earthquake
-rest
-roar
not every pokemon needs a STAB attack... in fact there's plenty of pokemon who doesn't have a STAB attack at all. (ex: Feraligatr/Swampert, Gyarados, dancing Kingdra, Dusclops, and etc)
Whats "Dancing Kingdra"? I've got an normal Kingdra only!
Phantom Angel
November 19th, 2003, 03:21 PM
Whats "Dancing Kingdra"? I've got an normal Kingdra only!He mean "Kingdra with Dragon Dance and direct attack".
If I ain't wrong.
DUDE!!!
Stinger
November 19th, 2003, 05:05 PM
Double-Edge (Level: 63)
Earthquake (TM: 26 <or> Egg: Marshtomp/Swampert, Rhyhorn/Rhydon {Level})
Iron Tail (Level: 29)
Iron Defense (Level: 17)
Iron Tail has crap accuracy, but is there for the STAB, bringing it to 150 base power, if I'm not mistaken
Iron Defence. Why not? If your opponent is a physical attacker, this will be very handy to to.
Double-Edge.... with the ability, Rock Head, you won't take any damage from Double-Edge. It's also a pretty powerful attack
Earthquake, just in case of Steel, Rock, and Ghost types, which Earthquake will deal with swiftly. Double Edge sucks against those types, so Earthquake is there for support..... and sheer power
Spike Razzor
November 19th, 2003, 06:25 PM
Iron Tail, 100 damage with 15 pp and 70 accuracy. 70 is above avarage so no it not logicaly a bad-miss-all-the-time-attack. Just think, not every move will be 100 power and accuracy like everyones fave Earthquake. I studied the use of Iron Tail, it missed 2 time throughout my battle with the Pokemon League. Wanted to say this a long, long time ago.
Steel
Advantage:Ice, Rock.
Not Very Effective By:Normal, Dark, Psychic, Rock, Grass, Ice, Flying, Bug, Dragon.
Not Very Effective Against:Fire, Water, Electric, Steel.
No Effect:Poison (No Toxic/Sludge Bomb).
Disadvantage:Ground, Fighting, Fire (the most with its low Sp.Def.
Looking at this, we can see its got almost the same stuff as Rock. Steel has high Def but low Sp status. If it Sp becomes better in further games then Steel could possibly be very good.
Stinger
November 19th, 2003, 06:31 PM
Exactly why Metagross boarders on cheap as far as non-legendaries go
Spike Razzor
November 19th, 2003, 06:35 PM
Exactly why Metagross boarders on cheap as far as non-legendaries go
Its not cheap, just a good combo noone ever thought up.
Stinger
November 19th, 2003, 06:40 PM
He totally is. His Psychic/steel type gives him an advantage against Fighting, which once used to be a disadvantage.
And I said as far as non-legendaries go, not compared to the real legendaries. Same goes with Salamence
Spike Razzor
November 19th, 2003, 06:48 PM
He totally is. His Psychic/steel type gives him an advantage against Fighting, which once used to be a disadvantage.
And I said as far as non-legendaries go, not compared to the real legendaries. Same goes with Salamence
Ever heard of "Flamethrower" or "Earthquake"? Salamence and that other Dragon/Flying are just cheesy R/S Dragonites. Use Ice Beam, the x4 weakness is a 1 hit kill.
Stinger
November 19th, 2003, 10:04 PM
There is Flamethrower, but Metagrosses not-so-crappy Sp. Def will be able to tough it out if not used by a Fire type. If it happens to be a Fire type using it, Earthquake would own it.
Yes there's the dreaded Earthquake that can kil him, but one weakness as opposed to numerous weaknesses of an average pokemon? Metagross is cheap.
Salamence could easily bust off a Flamethrower if Ice Beam is being used by a pure ice type, which there aren't many popular non-legendary ones.
Frostweaver
November 20th, 2003, 07:17 AM
Metagross is one of the most non-cheap Pokemon ever. You pretty much know what Metagross's moveset is if you come across one.
Metagross- brave @ leftovers
-rest
-meteor mash
-psychic
-earthquake
it's almost always this moveset... metagross isn't half as fearful as it is. I don't see any point of leaving a metagross out in battle against a fire types in anyway possible even if the opponent isn't a Charizard (however i would stay against Ninetales). Metagross is guranteed to strike last pretty much, and to let the fire type get one free hit to blast you all the way down to red hp is not very good. Even if you manage to knock out the fire type after suriviving flamethrower, you won't have the speed to pull off rest immediately next turn. So either way you are doomed (just matter of order).
I doubt if there is a single team in the world that doesn't have one earthquake in it... ranging from Gyarados to Meganium, Thyplosion to Lugia, everyone has earthquake. To have a ground weakness is quite a disadvantage. Metagross is no exception. In fact almost all dancers have earthquake on them. Metagross may have powerful stats but certainly not even close to being cheap. Umbreon, Dusclops, Blissey, Snorlax and Misdreavous all have much higher potential to go in the "cheap" category.
The only ice type used nowadays is only one- Regiice as the anti dancer. All ice beams/punches come from psychic types, water types and normal types. For all of them. Salamence have no strong super effective move against them.
Now back to Aggron...
Iron Tail is way below average in terms of accuracy. Anything below accuracy of 85 is completely not usable unless there's strategies to improve accuracy such as mind reader.
Where's rest? For a pokemon with such high physical endurance it would be a complete waste not to put a recovery move on it... we do want to rid the body slam and will o wisp do we...
his physical defense is high enough. we don't need to buff it more. Aggron is completely defenseless against special attack. You'll be finding yourself doing a lot of switches with aggron to take out the evil egg to block those thunderbolts. And through switching, you just wasted many precious turns on iron defense which isn't even used in the end.
Mana Lugia
November 21st, 2003, 12:35 AM
For starters:
1) RS makes EV distro confusing
2) Metagross's stats does NOT allow it to utilize all the EVs and make it uberstrong in everything. A generic Metagross always goes for the attack stat, and leave the rest less.
3) Going by the similar argument on attackers, then it would be true that generally, attack > Defense in RS. And following through, Metagross's defenses wouldn't be so high that pokemon can't break through because its defense would be less than the opposing attack power.
4) Hence, Metagross isn't the best
5) Skarmory can stall out Metagross awesomely
punkie90
November 21st, 2003, 12:44 AM
When I as raising my Aggron, I gave him the best mobes that I had.
He was undefeted, and I went to the finels ( Elite 4 ) and won with him. i was very pruod and it was truely worth the training.
Frostweaver
November 21st, 2003, 12:49 AM
When I as raising my Aggron, I gave him the best mobes that I had.
He was undefeated, and I went to the finals ( Elite 4 ) and won with him. i was very proud and it was truly worth the training.
first of all, all ingame battles are irrelevant, as the AI is very stupid. Also you will always have a level advantage ahead of the AI. So don't take ingame battles into account... sorry...
If you don't see what i mean... this is what i mean. A chikorita can sweep the entire GSC Elite 4 alone by herself, including the flyers and the 3 dragonites. Believe it or not, this is how bad ingame battles are.
ares545
November 21st, 2003, 02:07 AM
wher do u get leftovers??????????????????????????????????
Aggron
November 21st, 2003, 03:09 AM
This is the Aggron I use at Lv. 100.
Aggron @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
-Earthquake
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace
-Rest
I use it in my Ruby Version. It's never let me down before.
Spike Razzor
November 21st, 2003, 05:21 AM
Why are you people even suggesting Rest? Aggron Def/Sp.Defence sucks like crazy... By the time it wakes up its close to dead... Wonder if anyone ever thought of that. I mean alot of Pokemon have hidden Sp moves (my Electabuzz knows Psychic), Aggron is and always be a head on charge. Just like Sharpedo.
Frostweaver
November 21st, 2003, 07:49 AM
And first of all Electabuzz has thunderbolt anyway as its sp.attack. Aggron will much rather take a blast of psychic from Electabuzz than thunderbolt...
Aggron's sp.def maybe low, but its defense is amazing unlike what you said. 400+ def is certainly very high. That is why you put rest. It has very high endurance. It may fall prey to special attack, and so this is the time where you need good sense of judgement. You need to know what the opponent will most likely have as an attack (should not be a hard thing to do as RS is pretty much totally explored by now). Also you will need rest to fight off will o wisp and the paralyzation too.
Unlike Sharpedo, Aggron doesn't have any speed at all. Also Aggron's attack power is lower than Sharpedo's.
Aggron- 319 attack, 199 speed (no personality bonus, max EV)
Sharpedo- 339 attack, 289 speed (no personality bonus, max EV)
You'll die before you start charging... Aggron takes a lot of knowledge to use from the trainer. The trainer must know every single common moveset very well, knowing which ones have special attacks and which one doesn't, and pick Aggron's opponents carefully.
Spike Razzor
November 21st, 2003, 02:23 PM
And first of all Electabuzz has thunderbolt anyway as its sp.attack. Aggron will much rather take a blast of psychic from Electabuzz than thunderbolt...
Maybe you didn't read it well, I said hidden Sp (a Sp move that needs to be tought from tm or from breeding). And I was talking about Electabuzz I never said anything about using Electabuzz against Aggron, you assumed that by yourself. Any 2day old person knows its Thunder/bolt over Psychic against Aggron. And please, read before you post.
Aggron's sp.def maybe low, but its defense is amazing unlike what you said. 400+ def is certainly very high. That is why you put rest. It has very high endurance. It may fall prey to special attack, and so this is the time where you need good sense of judgement. You need to know what the opponent will most likely have as an attack (should not be a hard thing to do as RS is pretty much totally explored by now). Also you will need rest to fight off will o wisp and the paralyzation too.
Sorry was thinking of Sarpedo, I ment its Sp all together stinks. And having a strong Def doen't count towards Sp moves like Surf.
Unlike Sharpedo, Aggron doesn't have any speed at all. Also Aggron's attack power is lower than Sharpedo's.
Aggron- 319 attack, 199 speed (no personality bonus, max EV)
Sharpedo- 339 attack, 289 speed (no personality bonus, max EV)
You'll die before you start charging... Aggron takes a lot of knowledge to use from the trainer. The trainer must know every single common moveset very well, knowing which ones have special attacks and which one doesn't, and pick Aggron's opponents carefully.
Look, its attack is well over 300, its Speed and Sp stink. Smart trainers will attack you with Sp moves right away, would you try strategic moves (Toxic ect) or take advantage of that 319 attack an hit 'um hard with Earthqake. You die knowing you inflicted serious damage not wasting time and HP.
Look up ^^^^^ *points* ^^^^^
Frostweaver
November 21st, 2003, 11:24 PM
Hm... can't quote a quote... guess I'll just comment them without quoting then.
Nothing is hidden in Ru/Sa game anymore. We KNOW these so called "hidden sp.attack." By studying common movesets, you should know what these tm/egg moves are. For example, it is common sense for a Starmie to have either ice beam, thunderbolt, surf or psychic up for its disposal (so you run in advance to ANY of these attacks). However you do know that a Crobat cannot have any possible sp.attack (if it does then this Crobat ought to be shot), so that's the time you use Aggron against it. It's not like anyone in the world will not use tms on his/her/its Pokemon. Only a very few Pokemon in the game does not need any assistance from egg moves and tm/hms.
We do use Blissey with its physical defense like crap. It has the lowest physical defense in the game. So a "good player" will just unleash a powerful physical attack and it would be the end of Blissey, right? However a real good player knows when it's the time to run, and when it's the time to stay. There is a reason for Blissey to be so feared off- its high special defense regardless of the stinky physical defense. You have to know what moves the opponent have, pull out Blissey at the right time to block the sp.att, and let the game continue. If the opponent is sending out a physical attacker, you run for your life. Same applies to Aggron. Pull it out against a physical attacker, and switch it out when it's a special attacker.
By reading through numerous posts, fixes, and comments from other experienced player, I believe that it's safe for me to call myself someone who knows what the common movesets are. Unless it is a new and original moveset for the opponent's pokemon, I should be able to predict what move the opponent is going to use. Even Hidden Power can be taken into calculation, as you will not be seeing a Ludicolo with Hidden Power of any element. With knowledge similar to these, a trainer can safely call out when it's the time to send out a physically strong Pokemon in defense, or a sp.defensive Pokemon.
And now regarding your last argument, it is rather weak... with a low speed it's very difficult to unleash a final attack before the opponents finish you off (catching a Pokemon on a switch is another story though.) Plus with so much other Pokemon with rest out there, it's not surprising to see both Pokemon using rest at the same time, resulting in both Pokemon going back to full health without taking any damage during the sleep time. When the opponent is using rest, also use rest to your advantage.
If you still think that Aggron isn't endurable enough to have rest, then you have a lot of people to persuade regarding Sceptile having rest... I don't have much more to say if you are still not convinced.
Spike Razzor
November 22nd, 2003, 04:23 PM
You see, everyone knows when its time to run. but you can't run forever, I seen people switching out constantly on Netbattle. Trying to get that x2 weakness you, for example.
Charizard, it doing good and is ready for your next move. my opponent send out Blastoise, I decide to run a switch to Electabuzz. You switch to Dugtrio, and it keeps going on getting cheat hits on every switch. Thats not a battle thats just dodging.
But thats nowhere near how I play. Sure you can be playing buy elements and calculation, but thats not always the way to win. Let me show you how I take advantage of a slow thinker.
Charizard, it doing good and is ready for your next move. my opponent send out Blastoise, I decide to run a switch to Electabuzz. But I know my opponent plays by using the elements to beat there challangers, he thinks im gonna Thunder his Blastoise but Im 2 steps ahead. Knowing Electric has only 1 weakness (Ground) I will factor that in and know hes gonna send out his Dugtrio to cancel out and Electric attack, or a tough Grass type. but I know that and instead of trying to attack Blastoise with Thunder I will use Ice Punch, my opponent switches to Dugtrio. I land that Ice Punch which does some good damage, since he just swiches and im way faster I get a second attack. Thats game for him.
See, there is a time to run and a time to attack. But you gotta know how to think ahead, being smart got me throught Netbattle. In other words, a smart trainer is a real trainer.
Mana Lugia
November 24th, 2003, 12:40 AM
A few things with your theory, Spike:
1) Belly drum on Blastoise's switch in = bye bye blasty, provided blasty's not at full health at the time.
2) Blasty's trainer CAN predict you using Ice punch AND use Earthquake for a quick hit/KO.
3) I never saw you on NB :( What name do you go by there?
Spike Razzor
November 24th, 2003, 03:05 AM
A few things with your theory, Spike:
1) Belly drum on Blastoise's switch in = bye bye blasty, provided blasty's not at full health at the time.
2) Blasty's trainer CAN predict you using Ice punch AND use Earthquake for a quick hit/KO.
3) I never saw you on NB :( What name do you go by there?
1) Never seen anyone using Belly Drum with Blastoise, even if anyone did I could still thunder right after and simply knock it out there.
2) Same thing, I could attack him again.
3) Names F.S. there.
Mana Lugia
November 26th, 2003, 11:14 PM
First off, unless the world reversed, I'm PRETTY sure I referred to belly drum as CHARIZARD using Belly drum when you switch in Blastoise, and since Charizard's speed is high (298), you'd be KOing the blastoise with the earthquake before it fires a surf off.
Next, What you're claiming is that you're the only smart battler, and that others cannot predict at all. This is, in fact, false. You bring out buzz, they use blastoise to earthquake. You thunder, they mirror coat. You don't thunder, they predict and Quake, so either way there's somewhere where if they play better, they'd be massacaring you instead of the other way around.
Spike Razzor
November 26th, 2003, 11:38 PM
First off, unless the world reversed, I'm PRETTY sure I referred to belly drum as CHARIZARD using Belly drum when you switch in Blastoise, and since Charizard's speed is high (298), you'd be KOing the blastoise with the earthquake before it fires a surf off.
Next, What you're claiming is that you're the only smart battler, and that others cannot predict at all. This is, in fact, false. You bring out buzz, they use blastoise to earthquake. You thunder, they mirror coat. You don't thunder, they predict and Quake, so either way there's somewhere where if they play better, they'd be massacaring you instead of the other way around.
a good 90% of people using blastoise has this moveset, I could ask around Netbattle if you wanted.
Ice Beam
Earthqauke
Surf
Haze/Body Slam
And out of the 100+ battles, 41 recorded and scriped battles I have been in noone ever did use Mirrior Coat with Blastoise, I saw it 2 times with Corsola and Electrode. They way your telling me this your making a Pokemon with a death wish. I could of used Psychic or Chross Chop even so, but I guess you didn't factor that in either now did you? -.0.
Mana Lugia
November 27th, 2003, 01:27 AM
I polled 100 people. Out of the 100 people, none of them are guys. That means the world has 0% guys and everyone in the world is a girl.
I polled 10 people. 5 of the 10 people like Oreos better than Caramilk. Therefore, 50% of the world like Caramilk better than Oreo.
I polled 50 people. 30 of the 50 people have living grandparents. Therefore, in my school of 1000 people, only 600 of them have living grandparents.
What is wrong with the picture?
to your response: First off, you didn't say you were using Psychic or cross chop. All you said was that your opponent was stupid and will always allow YOU to be "smart" and win because you are "technically superior".
In that sense, I want to face you in a battle.
Edit: Just read your response and how silly you made it look.
-> You claim that 90% of blastoises pack Earthquake
-> You claim to use Psychic against Blastoise who quakes you.
-> Therefore, gg Buzz.
FYI...
Go Charizard!
Go Blastoise!
Return Char! Go Buzz!
Blastoise used Earthquake!
Buzz used Thunderbolt!
Blast used Earthquake! Buzz Fainted!
that's how it'd probably go.
Spike Razzor
November 27th, 2003, 03:38 AM
I polled 100 people. Out of the 100 people, none of them are guys. That means the world has 0% guys and everyone in the world is a girl.
I polled 10 people. 5 of the 10 people like Oreos better than Caramilk. Therefore, 50% of the world like Caramilk better than Oreo.
I polled 50 people. 30 of the 50 people have living grandparents. Therefore, in my school of 1000 people, only 600 of them have living grandparents.
What is wrong with the picture?
Poll the people with more wins on Netbattle, if you polled 10 and one said they would use Mirrior Coat then aboviously thats 90% of the people you asked whats the big problem? Im not seeing it
to your response: First off, you didn't say you were using Psychic or cross chop. All you said was that your opponent was stupid and will always allow YOU to be "smart" and win because you are "technically superior".
PLease I must be blind or something cause I can't find anything about me saying "My opponent was stupid and im smarter, so I win by being technically superior". And you decided to jump to conclutions and assume I would use Thunder. I think you should stop bending the truth cause you can't find a way to qoute back, because yes I have lost battles before. Im not a super person with 250 wins, im your avarage joe who seems to think ahead unlike some of the people I battled. Most people I battles just put on moves that can use that well and try to attack me, like thy may have a Crobat and instead of Confuse Ray to start they go straight for weakness moves.
In that sense, I want to face you in a battle.
Edit: Just read your response and how silly you made it look.
-> You claim that 90% of blastoises pack Earthquake (its true, and is common sense if you wanna knock out your one of your major weaknesses, there are Magnatons out there with 300 somthing Sp.Att)
-> You claim to use Psychic against Blastoise who quakes you. (I informed you that I could of used it, once again your assuming.
-> Therefore, gg Buzz. (w/e)
FYI...
Go Charizard!
Go Blastoise!
Return Char! Go Buzz!
Blastoise used Earthquake!
Buzz used Thunderbolt!
Blast used Earthquake! Buzz Fainted!
that's how it'd probably go.
You havn't factored in anything, Quake is a none Sp.Atk. Blastoise has 264 attack I think. And hey, we have items you know didn't factor that in.
You can keep tempting me, but I always have something to quote back with. I can keep posting without being annoyed for a long, long time. Must of had your panties in a bunch or something.
^^^^^*points upwards*^^^^^
Frostweaver
November 27th, 2003, 03:57 AM
now from that statement about "items" alone made me wonder... there are usable items except for leftovers and miracleberry for a Blastoise? Plus i think Blastoise's EQ can't kill anything except for Magneton (unless the other pokemon is damaged beforehand)...
well I personally saw plenty of Blastoises that do not have earthquake and have something like composed of mirror coat, surf, ice beam, haze, rest or roar. With the provided blastoise moveset, no rest sounds rather ineffective (it's not like Blastoise can sweep... >_<;; ) However I never tried a moveset like that myself...
Mana Lugia
November 27th, 2003, 04:00 AM
Aww, darn, I just missed you on NB. Apparently me hiding my team like real link battles wasn't to your liking =/
Anyways, to your rebuttle:
first, statistics: In other words, my 3 examples are all valid, correct? Because if 10 people say so, 10000 peopel must always have the same, because the variance in answer don't apply, correct?
Next...
You see, everyone knows when its time to run. but you can't run forever, I seen people switching out constantly on Netbattle. Trying to get that x2 weakness you, for example.
Charizard, it doing good and is ready for your next move. my opponent send out Blastoise, I decide to run a switch to Electabuzz. You switch to Dugtrio, and it keeps going on getting cheat hits on every switch. Thats not a battle thats just dodging.
But thats nowhere near how I play. Sure you can be playing buy elements and calculation, but thats not always the way to win. Let me show you how I take advantage of a slow thinker.
Charizard, it doing good and is ready for your next move. my opponent send out Blastoise, I decide to run a switch to Electabuzz. But I know my opponent plays by using the elements to beat there challangers, he thinks im gonna Thunder his Blastoise but Im 2 steps ahead. Knowing Electric has only 1 weakness (Ground) I will factor that in and know hes gonna send out his Dugtrio to cancel out and Electric attack, or a tough Grass type. but I know that and instead of trying to attack Blastoise with Thunder I will use Ice Punch, my opponent switches to Dugtrio. I land that Ice Punch which does some good damage, since he just swiches and im way faster I get a second attack. Thats game for him.
See, there is a time to run and a time to attack. But you gotta know how to think ahead, being smart got me throught Netbattle. In other words, a smart trainer is a real trainer.
Find the quote in that post that gives your opponent credit for the ability to think. That's right, I can't find any.
Next. damage calculation.
Yes, Blastoise WILL 2HKO electabuzz. Yes, Electabuzz WILL 2HKO Blastoise. I have calculated both. Factoring in Leftovers, first off, I wouldn't know why you'd have Leftovers on Buzz, b/c once Buzz gets PAR'd, Buzz is dead. (generally speaking).
Next, you said, and I quote,
I could of used Psychic or Chross Chop even so, but I guess you didn't factor that in either now did you? -.0.
In other words, Electabuzz would die much easier, and I did not factor that in. Good work. I'm sure your ability to use psychic against a blastoise instead of Thunderbolt can deal so much more damage when Blastoise 2HKOs you.
And unlike you, I do factor in stats. I ran everything through a damage calcuator before I replied. But hey, you didn't think I did, did you? To you I'm just another newbie who doesn't know what he's talking about, aren't I?
Oh well, maybe if I clear my record under Extra Fluffy Pillow and go on as another name, you might actually face my 73% UU-ish team...
On a side note: Hiding your team isn't wrong. It's called Link battling. Second note: You can hide your team too.
Spike Razzor
November 27th, 2003, 04:19 AM
Aww, darn, I just missed you on NB. Apparently me hiding my team like real link battles wasn't to your liking =/
Anyways, to your rebuttle:
first, statistics: In other words, my 3 examples are all valid, correct? Because if 10 people say so, 10000 peopel must always have the same, because the variance in answer don't apply, correct?
No, you where busy babbling about asking the world, did I say he world? No I didn't. Assumtion
Next...
Find the quote in that post that gives your opponent credit for the ability to think. That's right, I can't find any.
Next. damage calculation.
Yes, Blastoise WILL 2HKO electabuzz. Yes, Electabuzz WILL 2HKO Blastoise. I have calculated both. Factoring in Leftovers, first off, I wouldn't know why you'd have Leftovers on Buzz, b/c once Buzz gets PAR'd, Buzz is dead. (generally speaking).
The only Pokemon I use leftovers on is Meganium, I know about x2 damage and Electabuzzes speed is 308 making it having a good chance of striking first, so I gave it Focus Band so I wouldn't need to waste my Machamp on people who use Cursing Snorlax (Curselax on Netbattle). It give me a chance to hold it may not work and I could of died. And once in awhile I could get a critical (yes i know it could of happened for you aswell.
Next, you said, and I quote,
In other words, Electabuzz would die much easier, and I did not factor that in. Good work. I'm sure your ability to use psychic against a blastoise instead of Thunderbolt can deal so much more damage when Blastoise 2HKOs you.
Once again Focus Band, you have a chance of being worng here.
And unlike you, I do factor in stats. I ran everything through a damage calcuator before I replied. But hey, you didn't think I did, did you? To you I'm just another newbie who doesn't know what he's talking about, aren't I?
Damage calculator? You can't just use your own good sence of judgement?
Oh well, maybe if I clear my record under Extra Fluffy Pillow and go on as another name, you might actually face my 73% UU-ish team...
On a side note: Hiding your team isn't wrong. It's called Link battling. Second note: You can hide your team too.
I changed my name once and lost my score, was that supose to happen? I had no clue that was you. I was chatting and put it on away. lets say you where facing a friend with a GBC, unless you never looked you would of known that Pokemon on his team. And you already told how to hide my team, I did once and felt kind of like I cheated somehow. Felt empty =\.
Mana Lugia
November 27th, 2003, 08:31 PM
No, you where busy babbling about asking the world, did I say he world? No I didn't. Assumtion
If you can't say that your argument and statistics are accurate, then you have no argument. The reason to bring up statistics IS to boost your argument, not to hinder them.
Find the quote in that post that gives your opponent credit for the ability to think. That's right, I can't find any.
I'm looking for your rebuttle, but hey, you can't come up with one.
The only Pokemon I use leftovers on is Meganium, I know about x2 damage and Electabuzzes speed is 308 making it having a good chance of striking first, so I gave it Focus Band so I wouldn't need to waste my Machamp on people who use Cursing Snorlax (Curselax on Netbattle). It give me a chance to hold it may not work and I could of died. And once in awhile I could get a critical (yes i know it could of happened for you aswell.
In case you can't read my posts, you get quaked on the switch, so it'd be a OHKO, not a 2HKO in any case. In the event which Focus band works, which is around 10%, then there's a problem, because you're claiming you can win on the basis of 90% chance that you will lose.
Once again Focus Band, you have a chance of being worng here.
More chance of me being right than me being wrong, so you lose out. That's like saying if I have bright powder, 10 of your bolts may miss in a row, so Blastoise can win with skull bash. Unlikely, possible, but not an argument.
Damage calculator? You can't just use your own good sence of judgement?
Unlike you, I prefer to have proof to back up my argument. I could use my experiance or my judgment, which tells me Blastoise 2HKOs Electabuzz, but it's people like you, who'd say "OMFG YOU OFFER NO STATS CUZ I AM TEH SMRT AND FOCUS BAND WILL WORK AND BEAT YOUR BUTT DOWN" that I need to bring in statistics to prove you wrong. Side note, it's spelt "Sense"
I changed my name once and lost my score, was that supose to happen?
Yes. Each name has a different record. Each of my names have a different record, and I have a d-amn lot of names.
I had no clue that was you. I was chatting and put it on away.
Refusing my challenge first. ;)
lets say you WERE facing a friend with a GBC, unless you never looked you would HAVE known Which/what Pokemon Were on his team. And you already told how to hide my team, I did once and felt kind of like I cheated somehow. Felt empty =\.
Then it's a good reason to refuse others who hide their team? ._. btw, your grammar is really lacking in that sentence. It took me 2 minutes to understand/reply to it.
In case you haven't noticed, you are arguing little points and technicalities that have more chance of fail than succeeding, and hence your argument is completely irrelevent and irrational. Unless you can provide some basis for your argument, I'm sorry, but there's nothing to argue about.