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matt0044
September 2nd, 2010, 11:54 AM
In DP151: The Needs of Three, Hunter J's ship was struck down by Uxie and Mesprit's Future Sight attack. It crashed into the whirlpool and sunk into the lake before exploding.

This scene seemed tacked on by the writers to write off Hunter J and to show that death does happen in the Pokemon world. It's like they ran out of ideas for the character and decided to bump her off.

Not to mention, Hunter J (in my honest opinion) was a badass villain with so much potential. For her to be killed off like this is just unfitting. She should have had one last battle with Ash in an epic episode that led to her ultimate downfall. Hate her all you like but I love me a good villain and J is an awesome villain for Pokemon! She's much better than Team Rocket as she tries to kill Ash (not that I hate Ash) and she's always dead serious. Why couldn't she have appeared in more episodes?

Lastly, it doesn't seem like J really died. If you think about it, J could've escaped at the very last second by using a Psychic type Pokemon that she recently caught to teleport out of her airship and leave her men to die (as she's ruthless as usual). I have a feeling that the writers didn't really kill her off and are planning on having her return in Best Wishes. It may seem like wishful thinking and it is but I love Hunter J and I hope she returns somehow.

You can agree or diasgree however you like but I'm sticking by my opinions no matter what. So feel free to reply however you want.

Vernikova
September 2nd, 2010, 03:04 PM
What an ass pull that would be. "Hunter J died in a crash. Wait! What's this? J got out due to the teleportation of a Psychic-type Pokémon! One that she caught off screen and never previously mentioned!" Let's hope the writers just leave her alone now.

matt0044
September 2nd, 2010, 03:14 PM
What an ass pull that would be. "Hunter J died in a crash. Wait! What's this? J got out due to the teleportation of a Psychic-type Pokémon! One that she caught off screen and never previously mentioned!" Let's hope the writers just leave her alone now.

Okay, maybe not that way. Though it is possible that J could have had an Abra or some other psychic Pokemon that knows teleport just in case. I mean we only seen 3 or 4 of her Pokemon and she's a hunter.

If not that, then maybe she used an escape pod that blasted her off to the Isshu region.

Speaking of Ass Pulls, that's just how I'd describe her death scene.

Vernikova
September 2nd, 2010, 03:36 PM
It wasn't an Ass Pull. Her ship was hit by attacks from legendary Pokémon so it wouls be reasonable for it to eplode. The escspe pod would be closer to Diabolus Ex Machina.

matt0044
September 3rd, 2010, 09:01 AM
It wasn't an Ass Pull. Her ship was hit by attacks from legendary Pokémon so it wouls be reasonable for it to eplode. The escspe pod would be closer to Diabolus Ex Machina.

I'm saying that her death seemed to be have been tacked on as a last minute decision before the episode was animated.

If she reappears in Best Wishes, then her supposed death may have been done to surprise us.

Spectacular Hero
September 3rd, 2010, 09:16 AM
If she did survive all that then, then I give up really. But I don't think she'll be back, I mean J was a DP exclusive villain and a very good one, but like all good villains they have to die sadly.

BakingBluePotatoe
September 3rd, 2010, 09:46 AM
That's a lame way to kill off a character.

SBaby
September 3rd, 2010, 09:49 AM
You have to remember that Pokemon is notorious for using Disney Deaths. Now what are Disney Deaths? Well, put simply they're the most nonviolent ways that characters can die. The term 'Disney Death' is misleading, because Disney isn't the first company that used this idea. It's actually been around since the days of silent films, but it had no term for it back then (because it was actually the norm for death back then).

You'd see a fight of some kind, and often a guy would get knocked off a building or into the water (not always, but usually). You'd sometimes not even see a body, but you'd usually at least see an article of clothing or a mask, which is supposed to imply that they were killed. Sometimes, you'd also see the shadow of someone being stabbed to death or killed in a similar manner, and you'd also sometimes see a guy looking at his assassin, or means of death, then the camera abruptly switches to outside of the room and you hear a scream.

The reason it's called Disney Death is because Disney really brought that kind of death scene into the mainstream with countless movies featuring deaths through those kinds of things (not all the time, but often enough), but still being geared more toward kids. Movies like Sleeping Beauty (which had a bit more of an extreme version of a Disney Death, because you actually saw blood in one scene) or Lion King (where Scar gets torn apart by the hyenas) or even the end of the Incredibles are good examples of this concept. You don't actually see the violence (or you at least don't see it very well), but it's implied.

Pokemon is no different. Though often more flashy and filled with lights and explosions and a bit more involved, they do use the Disney Death concept in that you never really see the most violent part. And if it is part of an important action sequence, then it usually comes down to the character being so exhausted that they collapse and die from it (the John Henry Syndrome). Either way, the body usually either vaporizes, or in one case turns to crystal. J's ship just ends up exploding in a whirlpool. That's typical Disney Death material.

Masterge77
September 3rd, 2010, 12:43 PM
I knew something was not right when that happened, it's like she escaped somehow and left towards another region to hide, waiting for the right moment to return.....

Sora's Nobody
September 3rd, 2010, 02:28 PM
Well my opinion is she was kinda pointless, but she was pretty cool, espcially with all those statue thing, Hmmm. i havent seen the episode were she gets killed of, maybe ill have alook.

Vernikova
September 3rd, 2010, 03:13 PM
I'm saying that her death seemed to be have been tacked on as a last minute decision before the episode was animated.

If she reappears in Best Wishes, then her supposed death may have been done to surprise us.
How did it seem tacked on?

matt0044
September 3rd, 2010, 04:15 PM
How did it seem tacked on?

No foreshadowing. No indication that it would be J's last episode. And no final battle with Ash.

It literally seems like that writers decided to bump her off and put it in the episode.

Which is why I think they'll bring J back for Isshu.

Frostik
September 3rd, 2010, 04:21 PM
Pokemon is no different. Either way, the body usually either vaporizes, or in one case turns to crystal. J's ship just ends up exploding in a whirlpool. That's typical Disney Death material.
....

Come again? Who was crystalized? Who died from exhaustion? Who was vaporized?

It doesn't count if they come back to life (meaning Ash's deaths don't count). (And Cyrus doesn't count, since his fate is undetermined, simply because we don't know what's on the other side of the void.)

Vernikova
September 3rd, 2010, 04:25 PM
J never had the foreshadowing because she wasn't important enough for it.

matt0044
September 3rd, 2010, 04:38 PM
J never had the foreshadowing because she wasn't important enough for it.

That's another thing. The writers weren't able to exploit the character enough. Like how she became a Pokemon Hunter, her motives or her encounters with Ash.

J really could've been an awesome character (maybe even better than Giovanni) but the writers just wasted her (or so it seems).

Vernikova
September 3rd, 2010, 04:48 PM
Maybe the writers never intended for to be a deep character? Just a Pokémon Hunter who hunted Pokémon?

matt0044
September 3rd, 2010, 05:53 PM
Maybe the writers never intended for to be a deep character? Just a Pokémon Hunter who hunted Pokémon?

Well, she should've been. It would've been a nice shift in tone from the usual happy, smiley stories we have to deal with.

Hiroshi Sotomura
September 4th, 2010, 02:09 AM
I can't see her magically appearing in Best Wishes, but I do see this "Disney death" idea to be quite true. I was quite astounded, really, because it was one of the only times in the Pocket Monsters TV series where we actually experience what's seemingly a death first hand. It wasn't spectacular, but it didn't seem flat or anything.

I really don't see how fleshed out her (rather cruel) character and demeanor could actually become without people getting tired of it.

GFA
September 4th, 2010, 05:33 AM
^

Because we've been stuck with Team Rocket for so long. That's why. I'm POed that she died, but I don't want her coming back. Make a new cool villain. A guy maybe.

Amore
September 4th, 2010, 06:53 AM
I liked her...but if she returns, they'll screw her over. I have a gut feeling about it.

matt0044
September 4th, 2010, 07:09 AM
I liked her...but if she returns, they'll screw her over. I have a gut feeling about it.

If she doesn't, then they already have.

PlatinumDude
September 4th, 2010, 07:26 AM
Considering the fact that kids usually watch the anime (and some older people do, too), I'm saying that J's "death" was rather strange for me. It looks like J died after that Future Sight, but if she reappears, I suppose she found a way to escape just before the ship exploded underwater.

Storm_has_formed
September 4th, 2010, 09:47 AM
It would feel tacked on if she survived... I would be so angry if they decided she would survive by some plot device. Dead is dead. Don't come back

PearlShipper4Life
September 4th, 2010, 01:46 PM
I did think it was an odd way for them to kill her, I was hopping Ash would have been the one to since they had what three showdowns?

Kirbychu
September 4th, 2010, 02:07 PM
I did think it was an odd way for them to kill her, I was hopping Ash would have been the one to since they had what three showdowns?
Ash, killing someone? You're serious? Ash should have pushed her off a cliff or something?

Ash attempted to stop Cyrus from walking into that dimensional void. I really can't see Ash killing anyone, ever.

matt0044
September 4th, 2010, 02:32 PM
Ash, killing someone? You're serious? Ash should have pushed her off a cliff or something?

Ash attempted to stop Cyrus from walking into that dimensional void. I really can't see Ash killing anyone, ever.


I think he meant that Ash should have had one last battle with J before her ultimate demise. Ash shouldn't kill her.

Spinor
September 4th, 2010, 09:39 PM
I think there was a right and a wrong to killing off J.

First off. The right was that J was too evil for the standards of Pokemon. When it got to the point of her wanting to kill Ash you know the writers were begging for PG. No can do, they still want to aim at the younger audience. So since J was too hard, she just went poof.

On the wrong side. I agree J had a lot of potential as a character. She could have been her own Smash Bros character. She could have increased the complication of the plot. She would have been the REAL epitome of a Pokemon Villain. Killing her off was a complete waste. And now it looks like she'll never come back, and there's no evidence of her having survived.

I'm going to admit, killing off J was probably the worst mistake ever in the history of the anime.

tough
June 20th, 2011, 10:23 AM
I think there was a right and a wrong to killing off J.

First off. The right was that J was too evil for the standards of Pokemon. When it got to the point of her wanting to kill Ash you know the writers were begging for PG. No can do, they still want to aim at the younger audience. So since J was too hard, she just went poof.

On the wrong side. I agree J had a lot of potential as a character. She could have been her own Smash Bros character. She could have increased the complication of the plot. She would have been the REAL epitome of a Pokemon Villain. Killing her off was a complete waste. And now it looks like she'll never come back, and there's no evidence of her having survived.

I'm going to admit, killing off J was probably the worst mistake ever in the history of the anime.
Hunter J wasn't really that evil as you trying to say,she never try to kill Ash at all since there will never be any killing going on in this anime,stop making this god damn stuff a fact and she may not even be dead at all,she might have gotten away.

Matt0044,Hunter J was never dead serious about killing Ash since that never did happen,stop making things a fact when they are not facts,there is no proff J is dead and she can still be alive.

Went
June 20th, 2011, 10:58 AM
That thread was from last year. Please don't revive threads over a month old.