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Surmonter
September 11th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Yes, I know why you took it away, and no, I am not saying you should completely bring it back.

Here are just some suggestions dealing with it:

1. Make it available to supporters of a certain level.

or

2. Make it so maybe once a year, you have the thread to allow it. And you only have it open for a certain amount of time. A good time would be January 1st. New name for a new year? :P

Venusaur♣
September 11th, 2010, 02:46 PM
I like that idea (Because I want to go back to my old username, because my crappy sister changed it D:)

But, I don't think it will happen anytime soon :/

hashtag
September 11th, 2010, 02:51 PM
I doubt it'll happen again unless we get a better server. If we want a better server then we're going to need a lot more donations, so I think we're going to have to just compromise with what we have at the moment, really.

Kevin
September 11th, 2010, 02:55 PM
I doubt it'll happen again unless we get a better server. If we want a better server then we're going to need a lot more donations, so I think we're going to have to just compromise with what we have at the moment, really.Maybe the name changing feature for a certain tier (maybe 5) will cause more people to donate, and then we get that new server xDD

But yeah lots of people make suggestions and I don't really think it will work sadly ;-;

shot571
September 11th, 2010, 02:58 PM
I like that tier 5 suggestion. I might just donate just to get to that (slowly ofc :P)

Venusaur♣
September 11th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Maybe the name changing feature for a certain tier (maybe 5) will cause more people to donate, and then we get that new server xDD

But yeah lots of people make suggestions and I don't really think it will work sadly ;-;
That does sound good, but I don't think they'll change it to that.

Surmonter
September 11th, 2010, 03:40 PM
I agree, tier 5 seems like the best solution.

I think completely removing isn't the best idea. I think given the situation, you should just make it so only tier 5+ can change their names every few months, and staff of course. If people really want a name change so bad, they can just pay for it. :P

Patchisou Yutohru
September 11th, 2010, 07:04 PM
I always thought that this would be a good way to go. After all, they help out with the cost of keeping the community running financially.
I'm pretty sure the possibility of making name changes a supporter-only perk was discussed, so I don't think it'll be for just supporters, even though I think it would be a nice thing.

I'd much rather make it a tier 6 perk than 5, though.

shot571
September 11th, 2010, 07:28 PM
Tier 6 is much too imo. I mean The most I can give will be about 50. And thatll be for name changes, tier 5 is ok imo.

Melody
September 11th, 2010, 07:37 PM
Honestly that's pricing it out of most people's range though. Making it a Tier 5 perk would be better. Not to mention, Tier 6 has never been "officially" adopted as far as I know, it doesn't even have a set number of perks which have been posted by staff. (The blog entry by one of the T6s can't be official really, it's just what perks that person got along with the current T6 members.

It could be a set number of name changes for all T5 members, and T6 get up to 4x more. The name changes would obviously be restricted to occurring once every 3 months like it was back when everyone could, but limited. Additionally Name Changing credits could be purchased by anyone for a reasonable price like $5-10USD, and it would only buy the name change, and no Supporter status.

Additionally, individual perks could be made available on a small payment basis. Things like say...+100 PM inbox space could cost $1-$2, and credit could be granted to everyone who has not donated enough to make it into Tier 1 to choose from a "menu" of individual perks.

It could really bring in the money. Things like blogs could be unlocked for a more moderate amount, like $4...with some small requirements like having 100 posts before this could be unlocked. (100 posts ought to be enough history for a staff member to determine if the blog privileges would be abused)

Additionally, it's optional but the individual perk purchases could apply toward Tiers if the staff wishes it. The individual perks wouldn't require additional usergroups because I believe it's possible to edit the member via ACP and give them those permissions. (Correct me if I am wrong)

Zet
September 11th, 2010, 07:54 PM
I think it would be easier to pay for name changes like one or two dollars since it isn't much at all.

Venusaur♣
September 11th, 2010, 07:58 PM
I think it would be easier to pay for name changes like one or two dollars since it isn't much at all.
Then would it count if you already donated? :3 If it did, I like this idea then XD

Zorua
September 11th, 2010, 07:59 PM
I think it would be easier to pay for name changes like one or two dollars since it isn't much at all.

Paying with every name change though? I'm sure that's going to get old for a while.

I've contemplated this issue and thought it'd be best if it were a tier 6 perk instead. After all, donating 100 bucks to the community is a large amount and if anything, it's worth a heck of a lot more than 25 bucks obviously.

So my vote goes towards the tier 6s having it.

Melody
September 11th, 2010, 08:00 PM
Indeed it could be as low as that. It's really up to the staff, I was merely suggesting a steeper range because it does tax the server resources quite a bit. This Pay-Per-Perk idea could really bring in donations.

Please guys, let's not put it in that insanely priced tier...it's obscenely priced. Name changes could reasonably cost up to $15 dollars and still bring in reasonable income, while still costing enough to make people THINK before buying it.

Venusaur♣
September 11th, 2010, 08:03 PM
Paying with every name change though? I'm sure that's going to get old for a while.

I've contemplated this issue and thought it'd be best if it were a tier 6 perk instead. After all, donating 100 bucks to the community is a large amount and if anything, it's worth a heck of a lot more than 25 bucks obviously.

So my vote goes towards the tier 6s having it.
You got a point there, but then again there are only 3 tier 6's and not many people are able to donate that much. So tier 5 gets thew vote imo

Melody
September 11th, 2010, 08:07 PM
Honestly I think it's fine if Tier 6s get the perk of infinite name changes...because that's worth paying $100 for.

But in the name of fairness, I should think that Tier 5s should get at least a set number of name changes, likely to be one fourth of what you get for T6

Tiers below 5 don't need to get that perk, and they could just pay money to get one name change, or upgrade to T5

Zorua
September 11th, 2010, 08:10 PM
You got a point there, but then again there are only 3 tier 6's and not many people are able to donate that much. So tier 5 gets thew vote imo

But listen. Name change is a mass privilege now(if it were to be re-implemented). Especially knowing what it can do to the server, and knowing how many tier 5s we have(which of course is greater than the amount of tier 6s), I'd prefer the server to be as less stressed as possible and I want people to make up for this by making as many contribution to the community as possible. Sure, there are not that many tier 6s, and it may be because it's far out of some people's budget, but it's still be a way to get people to donate and to keep PC running a lot more smoothly.

In concept, it is a bit silly. I mean, $100 just to get a name change on a Pokemon forum? But if you really think about it, with all of what Steve is paying for and stuff, it makes sense to make up for that, so that in the end, PC would at least have enough money to get a new server.

The concept behind this is probably what's setting this back, and honestly, donating the mass amount of money is both a good and a farfetched thing in this case, in which donating 25 bucks would be the reasonable option then to keep it in the more "reasonable" price-range, but it'd be more stricter on us than it is on the tier 6s, imo.

Venusaur♣
September 11th, 2010, 08:12 PM
But listen. Name change is a mass privilege now. Especially knowing what it can do to the server, and knowing how many tier 5s we have(which of course is greater than the amount of tier 6s), I'd prefer the server to be as less stressed as possible and I want people to make up for this by making as many contribution to the community as possible. Sure, there are not that many tier 6s, and it may be because it's far out of some people's budget, but it's still be a way to get people to donate and to keep PC running a lot more smoothly.

In concept, it is a bit silly. I mean, $100 just to get a name change on a Pokemon forum? But if you really think about it, with all of what Steve is paying for and stuff, it makes sense to make up for that, so that in the end, PC would at least have enough money to get a new server.

The concept behind this is probably what's setting this back, and honestly, donating the mass amount of money is both a good and a farfetched thing in this case, in which donating 25 bucks would be the reasonable option then to keep it in the more "reasonable" price-range, but it'd be more stricter on us than it is on the tier 6s, imo.
I get you point. But still even though I have the money to donate, I have no means to donate because of my parents. Tier 5 would still be good but only a certain amount of name changes, and if you want more then you can donate $25 dollars more and so forth.

Forever
September 11th, 2010, 08:18 PM
Wasn't the point of name changes being dropped because even one change hurt the server? :(

The tier 5/6 perk should be your postbit display name being changed - but your username staying the same. Thus, it wouldn't affect the server, it would be requestable and would seem like a perk. Then again, the upper staff probably wouldn't even want that.

Patchisou Yutohru
September 11th, 2010, 08:19 PM
This isn't going to happen anyway, so why are you guys arguing about it so passionately?

Melody
September 11th, 2010, 08:21 PM
But listen. Name change is a mass privilege now. Especially knowing what it can do to the server, and knowing how many tier 5s we have(which of course is greater than the amount of tier 6s), I'd prefer the server to be as less stressed as possible and I want people to make up for this by making as many contribution to the community as possible. Sure, there are not that many tier 6s, and it may be because it's far out of some people's budget, but it's still be a way to get people to donate and to keep PC running a lot more smoothly.

In concept, it is a bit silly. I mean, $100 just to get a name change on a Pokemon forum? But if you really think about it, with all of what Steve is paying for and stuff, it makes sense to make up for that, so that in the end, PC would at least have enough money to get a new server.

The concept behind this is probably what's setting this back, and honestly, donating the mass amount of money is both a good and a farfetched thing in this case, in which donating 25 bucks would be the reasonable option then to keep it in the more "reasonable" price-range, but it'd be more stricter on us than it is on the tier 6s, imo.

Like Charizard I see your point, but that's highway robbery. Tier 6 isnt official, it's just granted to the people who DO donate that much money.


I get you point. But still even though I have the money to donate, I have no means to donate because of my parents. Tier 5 would still be good but only a certain amount of name changes, and if you want more then you can donate $25 dollars more and so forth.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I cannot stress it enough that I like this idea in particular. Tier 5 does not necessarily need to have unlimited name changing powers, like Tier 6 could have, but it would be nice to give 'em all at least one or two credits. The name changes could be spaced out by the administrators by forcing a day's wait period on each request, which gives the server time to cool down and write all the records necessary, and allowing the name to be changed before it's due to happen.

It could go like this: You can only get a name change every 3 months, costs one credit for T5 and T6 have unlimited so it's immaterial. You post your request, staff member posts back with the date your request will be granted if it's been 3 months since your last change, all requests are scheduled so that only a few name changes happen per day/week period. There are quite a few tier 5s but by scheduling the actual name change, it essentially becomes simple to balance the load on the server that it causes.

This isn't going to happen anyway, so why are you guys arguing about it so passionately?
...maybe because we think it's an awesome idea and we care about PC enough to want it to draw donations?

Venusaur♣
September 11th, 2010, 08:23 PM
This isn't going to happen anyway, so why are you guys arguing about it so passionately?
Just to get our hopes up a little then get them crushed XD

Zorua
September 11th, 2010, 08:25 PM
This isn't going to happen anyway, so why are you guys arguing about it so passionately?

It's in concept, Nick. Plus, I wanted to see different people's opinion on this matter if I were to offer my two cents. Most likely it isn't going to come back and it's already been discussed months ago and whatnot, but I'd like see how things would work out if this were brought up as a tier 5/6 "perk". I'm surely not intent on ever trying to bring the system back, because the h-staff's decision is quite final that it slim to none that it's ever going to, but I wanted to see how it would work out nonetheless.

I think I repeated myself, forgive me if I did, but yeah. xD

Edit:

Wasn't the point of name changes being dropped because even one change hurt the server? :(

The tier 5/6 perk should be your postbit display name being changed - but your username staying the same. Thus, it wouldn't affect the server, it would be requestable and would seem like a perk. Then again, the upper staff probably wouldn't even want that.

I agree with the above. The below? I dunno. I've certain have seen this done before and it hasn't really hurt the server a bit, though it seems like more of an h-staff or admin thing and plus the amount of demand it would get is unbelievable(aka too many people wanting their postbit name changed) so yeah, I don't see that working out either. xD

Patchisou Yutohru
September 11th, 2010, 08:25 PM
Like Charizard I see your point, but that's highway robbery. Tier 6 isnt official, it's just granted to the people who DO donate that much money.
Why do you keep saying Tier 6 isn't official? If it's made and people have it, I think that's as official as it gets. There doesn't have to be some grand announcement about a new tier being introduced for it to be official. Most people don't have the money to reach Tier 6 as it is, which is the main point I think it should be a perk for Tier 6 members, since it causes such a strain on the server. If it were a Tier 5 perk then anyone would be able to get it, which would mean that server strains would occur more frequently. It isn't a matter of ripping people off. Besides, people should be donating to PC for PC, not the perks. PC doesn't have to offer perks to the donators.

Harley Quinn
September 11th, 2010, 09:16 PM
OR
You could stop complaining and live with it. :) You made the choice and you stay with it, stop whining and either go outside or donate enough money for a better server so you can get a name change.

xoxo

Melody
September 11th, 2010, 09:19 PM
Why do you keep saying Tier 6 isn't official? If it's made and people have it, I think that's as official as it gets. There doesn't have to be some grand announcement about a new tier being introduced for it to be official. Most people don't have the money to reach Tier 6 as it is, which is the main point I think it should be a perk for Tier 6 members, since it causes such a strain on the server. If it were a Tier 5 perk then anyone would be able to get it, which would mean that server strains would occur more frequently. It isn't a matter of ripping people off. Besides, people should be donating to PC for PC, not the perks. PC doesn't have to offer perks to the donators.


Understandable, but I still feel that it'd be quite unfair to the majority who can't spare $100 if T6 got it and no other option to get it emerged. How fair would it be to the staff that Tier 6 is able to do that, they won't even let the supporters have custom usertitles on the principal that it's a staff only perk, and they ought to have all perks plus some over supporters. Allowing T6+staff to change their names would put a lot of strain on the server too. >_>

OR
You could stop complaining and live with it. :) You made the choice and you stay with it, stop whining and either go outside or donate enough money for a better server so you can get a name change.

xoxo

No, just no. I am simply far too stubborn to accept that. I'd much rather nobody got the privilege than see only tier 6s get it, because that's the only way to ensure that things stay FAIR. And don't even think about mentioning about how life isn't fair, that's BS. Anyone can fight for fairness if they care to. It's just down to how much you care. I happen to care enough to want it to seem fair and so that people can indeed get it. People who donate $100 are few and far between, and we need not rely on them. We could make so much more money by allowing more people to change their names, and it can be spaced out to alleviate strain on the server. Likely, we could make enough money to upgrade the server if we charged per name change, and didn't offer it to any tier as a privilege.

Harley Quinn
September 11th, 2010, 09:35 PM
No, just no. I am simply far too stubborn to accept that. I'd much rather nobody got the privilege than see only tier 6s get it, because that's the only way to ensure that things stay FAIR. And don't even think about mentioning about how life isn't fair, that's BS. Anyone can fight for fairness if they care to. It's just down to how much you care. I happen to care enough to want it to seem fair and so that people can indeed get it. People who donate $100 are few and far between, and we need not rely on them. We could make so much more money by allowing more people to change their names, and it can be spaced out to alleviate strain on the server.

I'll leave after this, but I just want to point out that a) everyone can see that you're only arguing this 'argument' (used loosely for obvious reasons) for yourself and b) there actually is no point trying to decide a fair way for this to be handled when the whole matter could simply be left alone until the server is strengthened. If you really wanted to change names, you could leave your account forever and make a new one with the desired username you want.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8m9ghXnXE1qau8th.gif

Melody
September 11th, 2010, 09:41 PM
I'll leave after this, but I just want to point out that a) everyone can see that you're only arguing this 'argument' (used loosely for obvious reasons) for yourself and b) there actually is no point trying to decide a fair way for this to be handled when the whole matter could simply be left alone until the server is strengthened. If you really wanted to change names, you could leave your account forever and make a new one with the desired username you want.
xoxo

I'm aware of this. You do wrongly assume that I wish to change my name, this name has worked for me quite well..and people even requested that I change my name back to it a long time before I actually changed back to it. Just ask Pachisou, he's one of the ones who wanted it. :P

Granted, I asked my friends of their opinions about it, but that's because I felt it mattered enough to ask. My intent is indeed more pure than you think. A lot of the reason why I'm a stubborn old goat is because I'm loyal enough to PC to want things that will benefit it in the long run, so long as the short term cost is not too great. Of course it's not my place to analyze the cost/benefit to the server, but I do have every right to express my opinion, if only in the hopes to inspire someone to adopt the idea.

Patchisou Yutohru
September 11th, 2010, 09:43 PM
No, just no. I am simply far too stubborn to accept that. I'd much rather nobody got the privilege than see only tier 6s get it.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
Well then you're in luck! Nobody's going to get it. But you're going to have to accept it, because there's really nothing else you can do.

With that, there's really no point at all to debate this since nothing you, or anyone else, can say will really change anything. I don't disagree with this being a good suggestion, and with it being unfair to everyone who doesn't have the money to support the community the way Tier 6 members, or even Tier 5 members have, but with the reasoning behind the name changes being a discontinued courtesy, if it were to be brought back (which, from what I gathered from administrators, it won't be), it wouldn't be brought back to the masses. Yes, no matter how many people you bring it back to allow name changes, there are going to be server strains, but restricting it to a small amount will limit the amount of server strains.

Regardless, if this were put up to vote, I wouldn't vote for it to be brought back, no matter if it's limited to Tier 6, Tier 5, or staff. Server strains are server strains and what's important is being able to browse PC without having to worry about database errors.

Alli
September 11th, 2010, 09:45 PM
What's in a name? It shouldn't even matter that much. Arguing about this is pointless really, cause the chances of any of these suggestions happening are pretty slim.

Drew
September 11th, 2010, 10:38 PM
and we care about PC enough

If everyone here supporting this idea cares about PC enough, then they should be happy with the username they have. > >; Or at least live with it for the sake of the servers. Because name changes, no matter the number, have a chance of hurting of the server. 'How many' isn't the issue, it's what just one of them can do. D; If it became a Supporter perk for a certain tier, loads of people would reach that tier. And that = lots of name changes.

Supporters should care enough to donate for the donation itself, not because of how many special perks you get. That's not what it boils down to, IMO.

Kevin
September 12th, 2010, 06:01 AM
Look where my little idea has gone too... xD
But $100 to get a name change? That would be a little worthless :<
I think Tier 5 would be fine, and maybe, 3-5 months until you can request a new one...?

But like I said waay before, it probably won't happen anyway. lmao.

560cool.
September 12th, 2010, 06:10 AM
I'm stuck with my nooby name because I was stupid enough not to change it. ;-;
Well, I am totally for the one-year thing. I need one, just one change.
I feel so damn stupid with this name.
But yeah, not gonna happen.
And I can understand it, due to server problems.

Avey
September 12th, 2010, 06:26 AM
Look where my little idea has gone too... xD
But $100 to get a name change? That would be a little worthless :<
I think Tier 5 would be fine, and maybe, 3-5 months until you can request a new one...?

But like I said waay before, it probably won't happen anyway. lmao.

Yeah. I know that a tier six exclusion will never happen but I gotta comment and say to whoever put forth that idea; it's absurd.

That said, changing usernames doesn't keep attacking the server, does it? I mean, if you changed one username, it's not going to cause a database error six hours later, is it? I know there's a lot of people here - A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE - who regret their final username change. And that's okay because the most of us are hormonal teenagers who can't decide which way to style our hair for the next twelve hours, let alone keep a permanent username on a Pokemon forum. Having a grace period where you kept a thread open for twenty-four hours and changed the usernames of whoever managed to post there in time would probably be a pretty cool idea. It couldn't be as harmful to the server as the ongoing changes were.

I know that sounds ridiculous summed up: 'yeah, they gave us a chance to choose a permanent username but it's been seven months and we're not happy with them anymore, can we change them again?' but still, I think there'd be a general forum consensus that the forumites would be willing to spare a database error or two to make our user interfaces slightly more comfortable.

560cool.
September 12th, 2010, 06:28 AM
I'm actually more of thinking for noob usernames to allow a change, such as mine, Weavile05 and basically anything that contains a digit in it.
But, well, like mentioned, not really gonna happen.

Avey
September 12th, 2010, 06:30 AM
I'm actually more of thinking for noob usernames to allow a change, such as mine, Weavile05 and basically anything that contains a digit in it.
But, well, like mentioned, not really gonna happen.

'Every username with a digit in it is a 'noob' username' is a pretty bold generalisation to make, 560cool.!

AtomicoExploda
September 12th, 2010, 06:33 AM
It was announced that we wouldn't be able to change our usernames anymore, and we got to choose the final name we wanted, so I doubt this will be considered. Also, as said before, if you want a different username, make a new account.

Team Fail
September 12th, 2010, 07:05 AM
I could never donate $100. Ever. A name change based purely on donations would be nice- it would generate income for every user that wanted to. The idea of having to pay for perks that supporters get would be good, but what they pay for won't get them supporter status. But, I'd have to say that if the posted idea here wouldn't go through, then tier 5 would be a good bet. There is a massive difference between $25 in donations and $100 in donations.

Edit: I'm not relating to anything here, am I?

Kevin
September 12th, 2010, 08:30 AM
Though all teh way before I think it was Manny that said we could get a new server if there was enough donations or something like that. That's how I got teh idea in the first place 0_0

But I think this is getting out of control D= I think this will get locked sooner or later =P

SIN1488
September 15th, 2010, 06:06 AM
2. Make it so maybe once a year, you have the thread to allow it. And you only have it open for a certain amount of time. A good time would be January 1st. New name for a new year? :P

This would be awesome, as I really want to change my name, or at least the numbers at the end of it. It's something offensive >_<

dragons
September 17th, 2010, 02:10 AM
na leave it the same! thats just my opinion

Patchisou Yutohru
September 17th, 2010, 02:17 AM
na leave it the same! thats just my opinion
Thank you for that very insightful opinion. I feel inspired.

I was talking to Steve about username changes the other day, and the only possibility of any kind of name changes being brought back are if PC gets a stand alone database server. The only thing stopping PC from getting that is the costs, but if the community keeps growing the way it is, PC will be forced to get a stand alone server, which is estimated to be roughly $200-$300. And with that, which seems to be the final word straight from the top, I'm going to close this thread.