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okjoek
September 28th, 2010, 05:54 PM
OMG I just saw the first team rocket encounter on youtube and It was awesome! (took forever to find it though! I always have trouble finding this sort of stuff)

Youtube link no longer works

anyways... Its better than even the first episode with team rocket! well I'f your not too nastalgic anyways.

I think that if that's how its going to start behaving then pokemon might just hit a spike upwards in progress.

Does anyone know when its going to be made in English? I think the games I heard are coming this spring but what about the cartoon?

Gumball Watterson
September 28th, 2010, 06:05 PM
I still think it's to early to tell what exactly will flow with Team Rocket, but that's an educated guess that if they keep constant the attitude they presented in the first episode, there'll be a nice spike of popularity so hard, you won't be able to find its derivative. </mathjoke>

Also, the linear rate of the show suggests January 8th, but because the movie isn't close to out yet, it's better worth expecting it for later February.

TheFuturePokemon
September 28th, 2010, 06:31 PM
Well if you watched Best Wishes episode 1 and 2 you probably would have seen that already.

The show will probably be shown in English around January-February.

mineowyn
September 29th, 2010, 05:12 AM
Most awesome TR appearance ever! At first the new uniform annoyed me.. But if that means they're more kick-ass now, that's cool with me.

Da Games Elite
September 29th, 2010, 06:28 AM
You don't expect Team Rocket to keep this up, do you? Those three are known for their extreme villain decay, so I hate to be the cynic in the room, but their bad-ass quality will not last the month.

Weeaboo Name
September 29th, 2010, 07:39 AM
This is even better with the "troll" subtitles.

On a serious note Team Rocket will peak in the first couple of episodes whilst Satoshi's Pokes all kinda suck.

okjoek
September 29th, 2010, 06:09 PM
sorry for the personb who mensioned seeing the episodes 1 and 2, but

a. i cant find them, even in japaneese.

b. I probably shouldnt spoil it for myself 100%, just a sample till the real english deal is good for me.

c. banana cream pie.

TheFuturePokemon
September 29th, 2010, 06:37 PM
sorry for the personb who mensioned seeing the episodes 1 and 2, but

a. i cant find them, even in japaneese.

b. I probably shouldnt spoil it for myself 100%, just a sample till the real english deal is good for me.

c. banana cream pie.

a. Youtube (I can give u the links if u want)
b. I didn't want to either but I estimated how much time the show would come in english and I couldn't wait that long so I just watched it.
c. ....

XFakerX
September 30th, 2010, 01:02 AM
When did Pikachu become so weak? Losing to a newly-caught Pokemon is such a disgrace.

mineowyn
September 30th, 2010, 07:25 AM
When did Pikachu become so weak? Losing to a newly-caught Pokemon is such a disgrace.

Eh? You mean koromori? Maybe that Zekroam did more permanent damage than first thought. Anyway Isshu pokemon ar alot stronger in-game than Kanto pokemon. At least imo.

mervyn797
September 30th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Eh? You mean koromori? Maybe that Zekroam did more permanent damage than first thought. Anyway Isshu pokemon ar alot stronger in-game than Kanto pokemon. At least imo.
Wait a sec, Pikachu did not battle Koromori. It was Mamepato. I really don't know which Pokemon XFakerX is talking about. :/
Pikachu lost to Tsutaja which was Shooti's first Pokemon.

ShadowYashi
September 30th, 2010, 12:53 PM
Because, Ash relies too much on Pikachu's electric attacks. Considering Pikachu is an electric type, it would make sense since its own type gets stab when it uses those moves, but he relies far too much on Thunderbolt and Volt Tackle, you'd think that after all the times Pikachu has been without electricity he'd learn something.
:/ obviously not
Sure Iron Tail is strong but, its not that effective against Tsutarja anyway, but if he worked at it a bit more, he might've stood some sort of chance.

TheFuturePokemon
September 30th, 2010, 01:00 PM
He still had quick attack and Iron Tail to use.

spike6958
September 30th, 2010, 04:09 PM
Ahh, I wanted to see the new "improved" TR for myself but the video has been taken down.

TheFuturePokemon
September 30th, 2010, 05:46 PM
Ahh, I wanted to see the new "improved" TR for myself but the video has been taken down.

Well here is their motto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9nnGVdPs_k

AshPikastar
September 30th, 2010, 05:47 PM
TR seems to be more skilled and serious now. I'm glad that they improved them. It makes it a bit more of a challenge for Satoshi/Ash.

mineowyn
September 30th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Wait a sec, Pikachu did not battle Koromori. It was Mamepato. I really don't know which Pokemon XFakerX is talking about. :/
Pikachu lost to Tsutaja which was Shooti's first Pokemon.

Yeah, but after Mijumaru freed Pikachu and Kibago, Jessie ordered Koromori to use something like Air Cutter. Pikachu and Kibago got hit and were in the red. Then before Koromori can finish them off, Mijumaru stepped in to help them. IMO even if levels don't exist in the anime, the fact that Pikachu has more training experience than any of these newly caught Isshu pokemon should have made it able to withstand Koromori's attack.

Meowth also could not withstand Mamepato's whirlwind and Koromori had to be called in. I know Meowth hasn't got alot of battling experience, but that was really weak. (in the anime Whirlwind is an attack right?) It seems as though Kanto pokemon are no match for Isshu pokemon. Is it because Isshu pokemon have better stats?

As for the battle with Tsutaja that was an unfair match since Pikachu could not use it's electric attacks and it took both Ash and Pikachu by surprise. I wanted to smack Shooti in the face coz he was so smug about winning a handicapped Pikachu.

mervyn797
October 1st, 2010, 02:59 AM
Yeah, but after Mijumaru freed Pikachu and Kibago, Jessie ordered Koromori to use something like Air Cutter. Pikachu and Kibago got hit and were in the red. Then before Koromori can finish them off, Mijumaru stepped in to help them. IMO even if levels don't exist in the anime, the fact that Pikachu has more training experience than any of these newly caught Isshu pokemon should have made it able to withstand Koromori's attack.


Ahh, I see. I didn't notice the latter part of that. /Should pay more attention. XD;
Well, if that is the case, as far as I remember, Ash used his Pikachu to battle Mamepato, so that must have have weakened the both of them. Mamepato did give out a tough fight. Also they did not visit the Pokemon Center as well. That might be the reason why the both of them lost to Koromori.

Meowth also could not withstand Mamepato's whirlwind and Koromori had to be called in. I know Meowth hasn't got alot of battling experience, but that was really weak. (in the anime Whirlwind is an attack right?) It seems as though Kanto pokemon are no match for Isshu pokemon. Is it because Isshu pokemon have better stats?
That was whirlwind? I thought it was gust. I can't understand Japanese anyways. /silly
I don't think that Pokemon of Isshu have better stats. Meowth wasn't really defeated tby Mamepato, he just backed off.

As for the battle with Tsutaja that was an unfair match since Pikachu could not use it's electric attacks and it took both Ash and Pikachu by surprise. I wanted to smack Shooti in the face coz he was so smug about winning a handicapped Pikachu.
I agree with you on that. But would electric type moves be really effective against grass types?

Vernikova
October 1st, 2010, 09:37 AM
I agree with you on that. But would electric type moves be really effective against grass types?

Electric-type moves are resisted by Grass-type Pokémon last I checked so it wouldn't have made much of a difference in that sense. Pikachu's power would've increased the damage they would've done though.

mervyn797
October 1st, 2010, 09:52 AM
Electric-type moves are resisted by Grass-type Pokémon last I checked so it wouldn't have made much of a difference in that sense. Pikachu's power would've increased the damage they would've done though.
I know that. I was just trying to be a little sarcastic... ^^; Failed I guess..
Tsutaja would have beaten Pikachu anyway... /Favours Tsutaja :P

Well here is their motto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9nnGVdPs_k
Only is I knew what was being said..
With humour no longer with the Rocket Trio, I don't like them anymore. I wish the old Team Rocket comes back.. ;_;

Vernikova
October 1st, 2010, 10:03 AM
I know that. I was just trying to be a little sarcastic... ^^; Failed I guess..
Tsutaja would have beaten Pikachu anyway... /Favours Tsutaja :P
And it's a shame too since it's getting old.

Fithboy
October 1st, 2010, 10:31 AM
I notice there is no Wobbafett :(

Guy
October 1st, 2010, 11:07 AM
With humour no longer with the Rocket Trio, I don't like them anymore. I wish the old Team Rocket comes back.. ;_;
Not picking, but when Team Rocket did have the humor for the past thirteen years, viewers kept pushing the idea that Team Rocket should become more serious or more like villains rather than the lousy comedic role they played. Now that Best Wishes has brought in their more serious character, viewers wish for them to go back to they were for the past years. While, I'm not really complaining, I'd at least wait to see what they're up to for the moment. To be honest, I can see the writers giving Team Rocket more of a mix this time around. While they'll still play a serious role in the anime, they'll also revert back to their old habits that they've had for the past while.

I'm glad I haven't seen them being "blasted off" for the time being though. That gag got old, especially since it was Pikachu's Thunderbolt blasting them off 99% of the time.

Their comedic line has gotten old, their serious nature for some is becoming old, so why not try a mix?

I notice there is no Wobbafett :(
Wobbuffet is at the Team Rocket base along with the rest of Jessie and James' Pokémon. Out of them all, I miss Yanmega the most, though I'd really like for Team Rocket to have to capture new Pokémon like they've been forced to now.

Vernikova
October 1st, 2010, 04:13 PM
Not picking, but when Team Rocket did have the humor for the past thirteen years, viewers kept pushing the idea that Team Rocket should become more serious or more like villains rather than the lousy comedic role they played. Now that Best Wishes has brought in their more serious character, viewers wish for them to go back to they were for the past years. While, I'm not really complaining, I'd at least wait to see what they're up to for the moment. To be honest, I can see the writers giving Team Rocket more of a mix this time around. While they'll still play a serious role in the anime, they'll also revert back to their old habits that they've had for the past while.

I'm not going to speak for anyone else but when I complained about wanting them to be more serious I meant more competent more than devoid of personality. The writers didn't need to have them become super serious villains and could've left that to a region only antagonist. Of course, it's still too early to see what the writers will do to with Team Rocket but I don't like it at this point. In my opinion, a mix of serious characters and comedic characters would seem off to me because it would seem fake to me.

Competent > Serious is what I want really.

mervyn797
October 1st, 2010, 09:53 PM
Not picking, but when Team Rocket did have the humor for the past thirteen years, viewers kept pushing the idea that Team Rocket should become more serious or more like villains rather than the lousy comedic role they played. Now that Best Wishes has brought in their more serious character, viewers wish for them to go back to they were for the past years. While, I'm not really complaining, I'd at least wait to see what they're up to for the moment. To be honest, I can see the writers giving Team Rocket more of a mix this time around. While they'll still play a serious role in the anime, they'll also revert back to their old habits that they've had for the past while.

I'm glad I haven't seen them being "blasted off" for the time being though. That gag got old, especially since it was Pikachu's Thunderbolt blasting them off 99% of the time.


First off, I wans't one of them. I was expressing my personal opinion. I agree that the Anime was quite monotonous. Team Rocket appears, tries to steal Pikacu or some other Pokemon, try to run away in their hot air ballon or something else, Ash and company track them down with some bird type Pokemon, and all Pokemon are returned back to their respective trainers. The End.

That is what a majority of episodes showed. It's just that their dialogues got old, and yeah, as you pointed out, the old "Blasting off" gag. So they needed a revamping of their character, but why make them all that serious? Was there even the slightest of humour in the past three episodes that we have watched? No excuse of them being in Japanese, please.

Their comedic line has gotten old, their serious nature for some is becoming old, so why not try a mix?
Mix? What mix? They are just too serious. There isn't any mix of humour and seriousness in them.

mineowyn
October 2nd, 2010, 05:31 AM
Electric-type moves are resisted by Grass-type Pokémon last I checked so it wouldn't have made much of a difference in that sense. Pikachu's power would've increased the damage they would've done though.

But in anime logic, type is disregarded. Even pikachu's thunder could bring down Brock's Onix so why wouldn't it hurt tsutajaa significantly?

I don't think TR needs to be humourous in every single episode. Maybe they will inject a little humour into the later episodes. Now is the introductory phase to Black & White, so I think the focus is more on the main protagonists and the new pokemon rather than trying to find filler gags. I think TR is going to serve as the antithesis to Team Plasma in Best Wishes. And maybe Ash will be forced to choose a side. On the one hand, Team Plasma's logic sounds righteous and just, but on the other hand for Ash to become a pokemon master he has to capture pokemon.

As for no BOA, would Zekroam striking them with his lightning count as BOA?

okjoek
October 2nd, 2010, 05:51 AM
maybe pikachu should work on some new attacks like:

light screen- pikachu never learned it wtf? perfect defencive move for it.

dig- sure its a tm but so was iron tail.

double team- it can be learned by pikachu at level 15, and its pretty nice.

brick break is also a mellee move it can learn.

it can also learn moves like agility, slam and the old quick attack it can fall back on.

Vernikova
October 2nd, 2010, 06:37 AM
But in anime logic, type is disregarded. Even pikachu's thunder could bring down Brock's Onix so why wouldn't it hurt tsutajaa significantly?

Type is not disregarded. It's just said that type advantage isn't the deciding factor in a battle. Also, I said that Pikachu would be able to more damage since it's a powerful Pokémon in itself.

Nyjil da Kid
October 2nd, 2010, 10:52 AM
So three episodes and they have no personality? They're not even serious, you people act like they don't even crack a smile anymore...just because they don't blast off and actually stand a chance against Ash, they're "serious" to the point of having no personality?

Vernikova
October 2nd, 2010, 01:29 PM
So three episodes and they have no personality? They're not even serious, you people act like they don't even crack a smile anymore...just because they don't blast off and actually stand a chance against Ash, they're "serious" to the point of having no personality?

Please provide some examples of what personality they've shown so far.

okjoek
October 2nd, 2010, 02:33 PM
im just saying that its a verry good start for team rocket, from having dead gags like wobafett poping out every time jessy says something, or that stupid motto that took so much time to say that the enemy couldve hit them with 10 attacks by time they were done saying it.

team rocket was serious in the very first episode so they might be trying to recreate the feeling.

TheFuturePokemon
October 2nd, 2010, 05:20 PM
maybe pikachu should work on some new attacks like:

light screen- pikachu never learned it wtf? perfect defencive move for it.

dig- sure its a tm but so was iron tail.

double team- it can be learned by pikachu at level 15, and its pretty nice.

brick break is also a mellee move it can learn.

it can also learn moves like agility, slam and the old quick attack it can fall back on.

Well, Pikachu already learned double team and agility but they took it out and replaced it with Volt Tackle and Iron Tail. Quick attack Pikachu already knows.

Nyjil da Kid
October 2nd, 2010, 05:27 PM
Please provide some examples of what personality they've shown so far.

Honest Opinion: I see personality with every motto recital XD
I don't expect too much from the first few episodes, especially since they've only gotten about 7 minutes of screen time total so far in BW...but we still have one more character to add to the group. Then we might see where they go with TR.

Vernikova
October 2nd, 2010, 05:35 PM
Well, Pikachu already learned double team and agility but they took it out and replaced it with Volt Tackle and Iron Tail. Quick attack Pikachu already knows.

Pikachu hasn't learned or used Double Team. The moves Pikachu has used: Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Leer, Agility, Quick Attack, Double Edge, Tackle, Iron Tail, Volt Tackle.

Honest Opinion: I see personality with every motto recital XD
I don't expect too much from the first few episodes, especially since they've only gotten about 7 minutes of screen time total so far in BW...but we still have one more character to add to the group. Then we might see where they go with TR.

It is still very early I agree. That doesn't make my criticism any less wrong though.

TheFuturePokemon
October 2nd, 2010, 05:48 PM
Pikachu hasn't learned or used Double Team. The moves Pikachu has used: Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Leer, Agility, Quick Attack, Double Edge, Tackle, Iron Tail, Volt Tackle.


whoops, and btw does Pikachu still know Thunder?

Vernikova
October 2nd, 2010, 05:59 PM
whoops, and btw does Pikachu still know Thunder?

I guess? It hasn't been used in years so it probably won't be brought back up ever again just like Thunder Shock.

mervyn797
October 3rd, 2010, 03:11 AM
But in anime logic, type is disregarded. Even pikachu's thunder could bring down Brock's Onix so why wouldn't it hurt tsutajaa significantly?

Wait, do you remember something about those leaking pipes in Brock's gym? Type is not disregarded. A water type move is still super effetive against fire types. ._.

TheFuturePokemon
October 3rd, 2010, 03:26 PM
Wait, do you remember something about those leaking pipes in Brock's gym? Type is not disregarded. A water type move is still super effetive against fire types. ._.

I think he means sometimes when Pikachu would face a ground or rock type he would use his thunder bolt and kill it.

mervyn797
October 4th, 2010, 09:06 AM
I think he means sometimes when Pikachu would face a ground or rock type he would use his thunder bolt and kill it.
I hate to go off-topic but, electric type moves do normal damage against rock types. In Kanto, there were no Pokemon which were only ground types. Electric type moves do absolutely no damage againt ground types. For example, if you remember, in The Rise of Darkrai, Pikachu uses thunderbolt (not sure, but it was definitely an electric type move) against Torterra which takes no damage at all.

mineowyn
October 5th, 2010, 02:00 AM
I hate to go off-topic but, electric type moves do normal damage against rock types. In Kanto, there were no Pokemon which were only ground types. Electric type moves do absolutely no damage againt ground types. For example, if you remember, in The Rise of Darkrai, Pikachu uses thunderbolt (not sure, but it was definitely an electric type move) against Torterra which takes no damage at all.

Onix is dual Rock/Ground. I'm not sure if Onix was ground type in Gen I games but I do remember using my Pikachu against Geodude and Onix and they were unaffected by electric attacks.. Granted the water from the leaking pipes could have been the thing that did Onix in instead of the electricity. Pikachu also managed to defeat Roark's Onix. Again this could be due to the electricity breaking the rocks which hit Onix. From what I observed attacks can be used to turn other objects around the battlefield into weapons to overcome type weakness. Which of course doesn't happen in the games!