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Zumi
October 7th, 2010, 10:51 AM
Yeah I was thinking. I know the possibilities of chat on a forum are pretty big, like Profiles, Threads, Groups and PM, but maybe a more Instant style of chat could be good? Like having it on your screen all the time on the bottom like on facebook could be a nice Idea. It will add some degree of privacy.

I could be impossible I'd admit but it would be another great perk for everyone. Yet it could fail, some people could have many people online at a time. I think though, that maybe with all the possible ways of contact on this AMAZING (lol, suckupmuch? <3) forum, that people wouldn't be so struck on the idea.

Feedback please.

shot571
October 7th, 2010, 10:57 AM
I like the idea. though i seem to remember the staff dont really like this becoming like fb. But if it was my choice id do it.

abnegation
October 7th, 2010, 10:57 AM
Why not join our irc channel? (http://www.pokecommunity.com/javachat.php) It also has the option to have private chats with those logged on. I'm not sure the server could handle that much if we were to have an on forum chat box, besides, this is a forum and not so much a social networking site. So try that out, and please, do feel free to spread the word to your contacts.

teenarceus
October 7th, 2010, 10:57 AM
I like the idea of making this more like facebook

Zumi
October 7th, 2010, 11:00 AM
I actually think that making this more like facebook would make it seem more attractive to some people. But the irc channel I really hate for some people. Never mind.

I'd like that fact of having a box floating on my screen as I browse the forum.

abnegation
October 7th, 2010, 11:11 AM
I actually think that making this more like facebook would make it seem more attractive to some people. But the irc channel I really hate for some people. Never mind.

I'd like that fact of having a box floating on my screen as I browse the forum.

Let me reiterate that it would have negative effects on the server, the server has issues with a mass amount of people on the forum as it is now, and sometimes we get database errors, I'm sure that even if it could be coded, a Facebook style chat would put further pressure on the forum when we already have a visitor messaging system, a private messaging system, our own irc channel, DCC's and not to mention the fact that yuou could just download an instant messaging client such as MSN/WLM or AIM, or just use Facebook. I would advise that you guys try the alternatives for now.

Zumi
October 7th, 2010, 11:18 AM
Let me reiterate that it would have negative effects on the server, the server has issues with a mass amount of people on the forum as it is now, and sometimes we get database errors, I'm sure that even if it could be coded, a Facebook style chat would put further pressure on the forum when we already have a visitor messaging system, a private messaging system, our own irc channel, DCC's and not to mention the fact that yuou could just download an instant messaging client such as MSN/WLM or AIM, or just use Facebook. I would advise that you guys try the alternatives for now.

I had that I mind after I posted my last comment actually. When I came back to the forum last month, I was met by a crippling server error. LOL.

So yeah. Lock this please. It won't work.

Gumball Watterson
October 8th, 2010, 03:23 PM
I like the idea of making this more like facebook

If I want to go to a website that looks like Facebook, I'll go to Facebook >_________>

Mr. Downstairs
October 9th, 2010, 07:07 AM
I don't see why people say that this isn't a social networking site as a reason to shoot down suggestions like these. That's really close-minded, considering vBulletin has a lot of features that are like social networking communities. If someone suggests a feature that brings something more convenient to the community, then I don't see why it shouldn't at least be considered. This suggestion is much more convenient than visitor messages, and not everyone is comfortable with communicating through IM services to people they meet online much less add them to their Facebook account and use it there. But, as Abnegation pointed out, something like this would have a dramatic effect on our servers (I'd imagine), so that's a reason for me not to give favor for this to happen. If our server wasn't so bad, I would really like to see something like this, though.

Avey
October 9th, 2010, 07:17 AM
I don't see why people say that this isn't a social networking site as a reason to shoot down suggestions like these. That's really close-minded, considering vBulletin has a lot of features that are like social networking communities.

Gonna point out that when the release of vBulletin 4 was building up, it was advertised as a 'new step in the direction of social networking', not as forum software.

Seriously - what's so bad about trying to implement something that's got vague or blatant relations to Facebook or anything else? The Irish government doesn't think we should get some sort of surrogate liquid to keep us hydrated because America has tap water, that's not how the world works.

Melody
October 9th, 2010, 07:24 AM
I'm gonna put this out there and say this: No, no, no, not just no but HELL NO!

PC does not need to become a social network thank you very much. It's good enough as it is.

Jak
October 9th, 2010, 07:32 AM
PC does not need to become a social network thank you very much. It's good enough as it is.

Like Nick already pointed out, this is pretty close to being a social network place, so you might as well already call it that.

And likes it's been said trillions of times, the idea seems nice, but I do like PC the way it is now. I don't even like Facebook's system half the time. It's just annoying, really. Especially the IM system. OH GOD THE IM SYSTEM. And the server just couldn't handle all that right now. :( So...yeah. Going away now.

Captain Fabio
October 10th, 2010, 05:26 AM
I feel it would kill the forum activity a little; posting wise.
If the feature was brought in, I wouldn't really use it too be honest.

Also, you would have to look at privacy rules. Can you talk to anyone you want? Have to be their friend? So on so on. I don't think it would really impact positively on the forum.

Inkpuddle
October 10th, 2010, 06:49 AM
I have to be honest, a feature like that would put a big damper on my PC experience. It's a great addition to sites like Facebook where the emphasis is on keeping in touch with friends, and though PC is pretty similar in that regard, it's still a forum. It's primarily for sharing opinions and receiving feedback, not for real-time chatting. That's where clients like AIM, MSN, etc. come into play, and if I'm not mistaken many members already keep in touch with their PC friends via those clients.

Besides, PC already has quite a few modes of communication, all of which I'm perfectly content with. An ever-present chatbar would definitely not be worth the troubles it would come with. That being said, my computer (and I'm sure many others) would hate it like poison and probably slow considerably. So... that's a no from me.

Gardenia101
October 10th, 2010, 07:13 AM
I think this is a great idea. I just HATE the IRC channel, plus you have to download something before you can start using it anyway- it would be nice to have that option floating beneath your screen.

Cilerba
October 10th, 2010, 08:10 AM
I think this is a great idea. I just HATE the IRC channel, plus you have to download something before you can start using it anyway- it would be nice to have that option floating beneath your screen.

The only thing that you'd need to download is Java. And you should most likely have that already.

Jude Mathis
October 10th, 2010, 10:16 AM
For all intents and purposes, PC is a social networking site. XD There IS a chat, there's picture comments, there's profile comments, there's friend lists, and a huge forum to chat on. Not to mention that you can also extremely customize your profiles, change the site's theme, etc. >__> PC is in no way just a forum, not anymore at least. Like Nick, I'd love to see something come up, and I don't think it'd be a far stretch if our server could actually handle it. It would be a lot more popular than the other chat, that's for sure. xD;

abnegation
October 10th, 2010, 10:38 AM
To be honest with you, I feel that we just need to encourage more people to join the PC javachat (http://www.pokecommunity.com/javachat.php).

dragoniteuser
October 10th, 2010, 10:38 AM
Yeah I was thinking about this, about few months ago...
It would be nice, but then again, IMO improving the VM services(faster receving of VMs, no need to go to your profile and end your current activity to see it,...) would be more practical, and after all a better sollution than a chat box!

To be honest with you, I feel that we just need to encourage more people to join the PC javachat (http://www.pokecommunity.com/javachat.php).

Yep. Tried this too, and I must say, it's SO SLOOOW, and very unatractive... Sorry you guys, but I really do not like it!

redsaber5859
October 10th, 2010, 11:17 AM
@Abnegation
I GOT BANNED FROM JAVACHAT CUZ LUKE DIDNT WANT ME THERE
I agree, a FB style chat would be epicorz

Shining Armour
October 10th, 2010, 11:21 AM
I like the idea, however, I imagine that it might add a considerable amount to the server load, and on a server that is already crazy busy, I don't think its a good idea.

A friend has a small website with a similar chat and his site is so slow now.

Jak
October 10th, 2010, 11:24 AM
@Abnegation
I GOT BANNED FROM JAVACHAT CUZ LUKE DIDNT WANT ME THERE

No, pretty sure he banned you from there for a legit reason.

Yep. Tried this too, and I must say, it's SO SLOOOW, and very unatractive... Sorry you guys, but I really do not like it!

Have to agree with this, actually. I'm unable to use the Javachat because it's slow and gives me a lag, even did this with my old, faster connection.

I have to be honest, a feature like that would put a big damper on my PC experience. It's a great addition to sites like Facebook where the emphasis is on keeping in touch with friends, and though PC is pretty similar in that regard, it's still a forum. It's primarily for sharing opinions and receiving feedback, not for real-time chatting. That's where clients like AIM, MSN, etc. come into play, and if I'm not mistaken many members already keep in touch with their PC friends via those clients.

Besides, PC already has quite a few modes of communication, all of which I'm perfectly content with. An ever-present chatbar would definitely not be worth the troubles it would come with. That being said, my computer (and I'm sure many others) would hate it like poison and probably slow considerably. So... that's a no from me.

I have to agree with this. In my book, PC > Facebook. I constantly get annoyed with FB because I can't navigate it to save my life and it's easier to bug people on FB with the IM system. That's another story though, but I'm gonna have to stamp a no on the Facebook style PC. If you want Facebook, go to Facebook.

abnegation
October 10th, 2010, 11:31 AM
Yep. Tried this too, and I must say, it's SO SLOOOW, and very unatractive... Sorry you guys, but I really do not like it!

1) More the reason to encourage people to join, to make it more quick, this is also why you should just keep a tab open.

2) For all those who think it's ugly can either download mIRC, or use www.Mibbit.com (http://www.Mibbit.com), it's just that, having this chat on the screen really would put pressure on the server. I'll discuss it with Steve if he doesn't pop in here, but I think that would be our main issue.

Besides, we have so many resources and alternatives; I don't see why we need more, but personal preference is just over powering my opinion possibly.

In fact, my main concern would be that people could easily distribute ROM links and the like through the chat, as well as other rule bypassing. I feel that it could lead to people insulting others in an un-moderated chat (contacts or not), and we need to be able to moderate all aspects of the board or else complaints could come piling in.

Inkpuddle
October 10th, 2010, 11:37 AM
For all intents and purposes, PC is a social networking site. XD There IS a chat, there's picture comments, there's profile comments, there's friend lists, and a huge forum to chat on. Not to mention that you can also extremely customize your profiles, change the site's theme, etc. >__> PC is in no way just a forum, not anymore at least.I agree that it is in no way "just" a forum. It has a lot of nice features that promote self-expression and socializing, which is something I really appreciate about this place and one reason why I choose to spend my time here rather than other forums. But IMO I think we have to remember that it is still a forum at heart , and even if it could support something like this it was probably never meant to. Of course, I could be wrong; one thing I've learned about this place is that it tends to defy expectations, something I've really grown to love about it.

But anyway. Since it seems like it's becoming a popular suggestion, my only request is that if a chatbar IS installed, that it can be toggled on and off for those of us who wouldn't use it/couldn't handle it on every single page.

.Seth
October 10th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Would it be possible to simply embed the IRC into something similar to FB's chat thing, with a button at the bottom of the page (scrolls with you)?

Zanacross
October 10th, 2010, 12:00 PM
Would it be possible to simply embed the IRC into something similar to FB's chat thing, with a button at the bottom of the page (scrolls with you)?

No. That's a stupid idea :(

dragoniteuser
October 10th, 2010, 12:09 PM
Sereously, all they need to do is to improve the VM system...

Gumball Watterson
October 10th, 2010, 12:20 PM
No. That's a stupid idea :(

That's were you're wrong. It might actually be a bit more convenient. The IRC server isn't exactly a PC server thing, I think. The problem would be the difficulty of coding it and the load time too. But maybe it can be pulled off.

The 100 Mega Shock
October 10th, 2010, 12:22 PM
Have to agree with this, actually. I'm unable to use the Javachat because it's slow and gives me a lag, even did this with my old, faster connection.


That sounds more like it could be a problem with using the Java applet in a web browser as opposed to a dedicated IRC client.

That's were you're wrong. It might actually be a bit more convenient. The IRC server isn't exactly a PC server thing, I think. The problem would be the difficulty of coding it and the load time too. But maybe it can be pulled off.

I feel that it would require a lot of work and cause some potential processing overhead issues as opposed to simply keeping a separate tab open to check on occasionaly.

JakeyBoy
October 10th, 2010, 12:23 PM
Sereously, all they need to do is to improve the VM system...

There's nothing wrong with the VM system. It's kind enough to tell you when someone says something, wanting it to appear in a popup is ridiculous for such a minor part of the forum.

Seriously, some of you should just add PC people on Facebook or MSN or whatever. It's a forum and it's got too much extra stuff as it is.

Surmonter
October 10th, 2010, 01:26 PM
That's were you're wrong. It might actually be a bit more convenient. The IRC server isn't exactly a PC server thing, I think. The problem would be the difficulty of coding it and the load time too. But maybe it can be pulled off.
..YOU CAN BE WRONG FOR HAVING ANOTHER OPINION?

Oh my god, this is like..the first time I tasted chocolate!

This is a horrible idea. Facebook chat angers me. That's just because I don't like the way it works or looks. So..depending on OPINIONS people might like the idea. :)

Platinum Lucario
October 11th, 2010, 05:09 AM
As for my opinion, I would say... if anything like a Facebook chat thing on the Main Page was inplemented, I'm sure it probably would cause some downtime to PC's server, like what was stated earlier. Even if it was for just embedding it to the index of the forum. If there's too much stuff to process... it can cause downtime.

So I reckon, that it should be left as it is today. But it was a good suggestion, but PC already has an IRC which covers it. Oh to be honest... there's also a dead xat chat called "PokeCommunity". If anyone is not familiar with xat, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know about it.

Amachi
October 14th, 2010, 04:57 AM
I don't know why anyone wants anything like Facebook chat here on PC. Do none of you use it? It's the most horrible and unreliable form of chat I've ever used. That should be enough of a reason to not implement such a thing.

If you need more, there's the fact that there are plenty of other alternatives. VM and PM are there, and if there is someone you always always always want to talk to you could use WLM, Google Talk, AIM etc., or for a group chat thing, use the IRC/Javachat that has been brought up so many times.

I will particularly promote the Javachat, because it has been a bit sad lately, so more people would be great. That said, there is a certain etiquette to the place, but as long as you aren't annoying, we all should get along fine.

Word of warning though: as I said, it's been quite sad lately, so it'll probably be pretty quiet when you join. Patience is a virtue my friends, so just say hi and someone might say hi back, but you're welcome to talk to me - just mention my name in the channel (I'm usually under Ray, though sometimes Amachi). Just don't spam.

Ninja Caterpie
October 15th, 2010, 01:42 AM
Facebook chat is horrible. I mean, the concept is good, but it's executed about as well as communism in China. It lags when my internet has no problem and it's going to kill PC's rather weak server.

Prometheus
October 16th, 2010, 06:12 AM
Yes, Thats a very clever idea, I'm in for it.

LightOfTruth
October 16th, 2010, 08:27 AM
There is a chat here: http://www.pokecommunity.com/javachat.php :) Maybe also support of Silverlight and flash might be the way to go :)