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seeker
October 15th, 2010, 09:16 AM
For the record, I actually like Jazz.

So, something that really annoys me about the music world, is the lack of tolerance for different genres. We've all seen it "Ugh, ____ is crap, who do you listen to that?". But these opinions are very subjective, and people shouldn't generalize like this in my honest opinion. So what I'm asking is; do you respect others' music tastes even if they differentiate entirely from your own?

I always like to embrace others, in the discussion of why they like their favourite genre even if I know nothing about it. I give all music a chance, and if I don't like it, I merely don't listen to it. But we all have the habit of making the generalization of a particular area of music out to be bad, or distasteful merely because we dislike it ourselves. It bothers me a little, especially when it's directed at my tastes, I feel that people need to respect music that bit more, so that the individual won't be criticized for what they listen to. It's like wronging someone for liking the colour red when you personally find it to be an ugly colour, knowing there's a niche for it.

poopnoodle
October 15th, 2010, 09:45 AM
even if i did feel negatively about a specific genre it'd be in a general way and i wouldn't entirely dismiss the genre because because i hadn't heard anything i'd consider "quality" from that genre's musicians. while i make fun of my brother for listening to ""screamo""" he makes fun of me for listening to "weird stuff" which is the sort of trivial mocking that's all in good fun, but i don't seriously look down on him for his preferences. i have my tastes while others have theirs, and it's healthy to keep an open mind to all.

Gold warehouse
October 15th, 2010, 09:46 AM
I can respect all music tastes, because people listen to what music they enjoy and that is what music is all about, enjoyment.

I don't stereotype genres because I believe there are good artists in every genre. The most common genre I see get attacked is hip hop or (or "rap" which is what everyone seems to call it now). I can safely say that the large majority of these people have only heard the modern mainstream hip hop, and I can agree that most of that is bad music. But to say that every rapper is bad? That's just silly. I like quite a few underground rappers myself (as well as Kanye West, lol)

But then again, I do criticize musicians. I can respect that people enjoy certain music, what I don't respect is when people try to claim a particular musician or band is amazingly talented, when they clearly aren't. I will speak out against that. It may look like I'm just saying someone has awful taste, I'm just saying that musicians you enjoy =/= talented musicians.
Example: I enjoy listening to Kanye West, although I admit he isn't a great musician and he doesn't have incredible talent. A lot of Kanye West fans will try and claim he has extreme talent, when that clearly isn't the case. You can replace Kanye with a lot of other musicians, but you get the idea.

Enjoyment of music is subjective and what might sound like garbage to someone else might sound great to someone else, so it's just silly to tell people they shouldn't listen to certain things.
However musical talent is not quite so subjective. Just because you enjoy listening to _____ doesn't make them a good band/musician.

-Jared-
October 15th, 2010, 11:31 AM
I always give a genre a chance. Pretty much, what I do, is if someone asks me what music I like, I say "A little of everything." Because there is seriously at least one song in any given genre, that I will probably like. For instance, I never thought I'd listen to tango music for fun, but then I found Gotan Project and practically fell in love with their music. Same with Rap and Fort Minor, Big Band music and Sing Sing Sing, video game music and Final Fantasy/Zelda/most other games. XD So in general, if someone says, "I know of an awesome _____ song! Wanna hear it?" I give the individual song a chance, because, who knows? Maybe that song will be the first song from that genre that I'll enjoy?

Binary
October 15th, 2010, 12:38 PM
In the past 8 years or so since I've been listening to music, I've tried to give every genre a chance. I just found myself more fitting with different genres of rock. Whenever I meet people with different musical tastes, I generally look up their last.fm profile and experiment with some of their musical choices. I ask people about their musical preference all the time; it's basically one of the first things I do whenever I befriend someone new.

Although I do act a little negatively about some genres of music, everyone has their likes and dislikes. I can deal with almost everything, besides screaming (a lot of it). It just turns me off to be honest. But if anyone recommends me to a related genre of music, then I'll most likely open heartedly accept. It always thrills me when I listen to music of other peoples' preferences, and I've grown attached with many of them.

So yeah, I do respect others' musical preferences even when they differentiate entirely from my own. We can't judge a person's preference; and we can't criticize a person for liking a particular genre of music.

Vulpes bicaudata
October 15th, 2010, 05:57 PM
I don't feel obligated to respect other people's opinions about music or anything else. I respect their right to it, but not necessarily their opinion.

For the record, I don't like most jazz.

Also for the record, the Beatles are an awful, awful band (not that anyone said they were good, but I just hate them so much). I can't stand their "music". Just putting that out there. I'm a classical music guy.

I hate Brahms, though.

Timbjerr
October 15th, 2010, 06:34 PM
Music isn't a very big part of my life, so I'll never understand how someone can claim to be so passionate about music yet discount an entire genre as pure crap (usually rap/hip-hop are the unlucky genre). D:

Like I said, music isn't a very big part of my life, but I will listen to anything. My computer's playlist ranges from Black Sabbath to Queen to Linkin Park to Christina Aguilara to Lady Gaga to Soulja Boy to Kid Cudi. XD

institutions
October 15th, 2010, 06:58 PM
No, I don't respect other peoples music tastes.
I make fun of my friend all the time for liking black metal and other "extreme" types of metal.
I also wonder how anyone can enjoy screamo, rap, pop (excluding The Beatles), country, and band music.
I am a very narrow-minded person, but I can't help it.

If I don't listen to a certain type of music, it's most likely crap.

Asa
October 15th, 2010, 07:08 PM
I've learned to respect what other people listen to, either it be some crazy metal or very hilarious rap, I can pretty much get along with it, but I don't necessarily listen to it with friends, my music tastes are quite the usual, I can basically listen to anything except a few genres, some can get quite annoying and repetitive such as mainstream pop, I may listen to some of it myself, but I consider some pop music somewhat different from most others. I listen to what every other teenager does basically pop, rap, rock, you name it, I've come across some people who happen to judge me based of what kind of music I listen to, it's quite annoying, but it's not often luckily, I come across such individuals.

Stormbringer
October 15th, 2010, 08:58 PM
I respect other's music choices, because I have a fairly diverse taste myself. Much like Timbjerr, my I-pod can go from System of a Down to Owl City, from Lady Gaga to Rise Against, then to the Beatles, Steam, Johnny Cash, and back to Drake, Lynrd Skynrd, Korn, and Maroon 5. xD

Kirozane
October 15th, 2010, 11:07 PM
I'm very respectful of other people's music choices. Mostly because I have at least one song from every genre.... except mexican music.... it's about the one genre I would prefer not to listen to.

But I don't really force my likings on others. I just let them decide and go with it, ya know, see if I was right for not listening to it.

I don't like, however, how harshly criticized I tend to be for that habit.
My music on my cell (my MP3 player of choice now that my 2-year old Samsung YPT9 vanished...) has a wide range of artists and genres... Yuki Kajiura and a few composers for Okami, Eminem, Garth Brooks, Alanis Morissette (I always spell this name wrong... 2 S's and 2 T's... not 2 R's and 2 T's), Rihanna, Creed, Disturbed, Carrie Underwood, etc., etc. I have more than once been called a flip flopper or a sheep or a kiss-up for that... I'm not. I'm just (admittedly) almost ridiculously open when it comes to music.

Spherical Ice
October 15th, 2010, 11:23 PM
It really annoys me that people (at least, people I'm around. No generalisations here) seem to think you're not as good a person as them if you don't like "mainstream" music (rap; hip-hop; etc.). So whenever I'm asked "what music do you like", I just say "whatever is on" which is certainly not true but it's better than having jackasses take the piss out of me because I dislike their crap. So yes, I don't respect other peoples' opinions on music if they don't respect mine. /rant

(Please don't take this the wrong way.)

Kirozane
October 15th, 2010, 11:35 PM
It really annoys me that people (at least, people I'm around. No generalisations here) seem to think you're not as good a person as them if you don't like "mainstream" music (rap; hip-hop; etc.). So whenever I'm asked "what music do you like", I just say "whatever is on" which is certainly not true but it's better than having jackasses take the piss out of me because I dislike their crap. So yes, I don't respect other peoples' opinions on music if they don't respect mine. /rant

(Please don't take this the wrong way.)

I don't think I'm so much as taking it the wrong way as overthinking the idea. You seem to be as open as the person questioning you seems. I myself haven't listened to mainstream radio myself in years. The only music I have from there my sisters introduced me to. I just tend to find my own music more amusing so I never take the time to browse the radio. Haha

Gold warehouse
October 16th, 2010, 03:00 AM
Also for the record, the Beatles are an awful, awful band (not that anyone said they were good, but I just hate them so much). I can't stand their "music". Just putting that out there.

This is pretty much exactly what Abnegation was talking about. Tell me, could you possiby explain why they are an awful band?

IanDonyer
October 16th, 2010, 04:48 AM
I came here because I saw this and wanted to punch the OP in the face, because Jazz is awesome. :p

But yeah; I have a wide array of musical taste. I like pretty much all genres but the more depressing side of country, and the extremists of metal (examples for this: Judas Priest. Christ.)... but even then, I respect those who do like things I don't. Like you said, it's like disliking someone because they like the color red and you don't. Just plain dumb.

Prometheus
October 16th, 2010, 05:31 AM
I think Jazz is brilliant, Typical down-town New-york!

Ayselipera
October 16th, 2010, 07:20 AM
I won't lie. There have definitely been times when someone will mention an artist or genre to me and I'll say something like, "How can you listen to that!" I'm not trying to be rude it's just the first reaction that comes out of me. :) I never really saw it as anything terrible to do though. Friends at school always tell me I listen to horrible music. I take it in good stride and move along~

Music is just a confusing piece of the art world. Everyone always wants to justify why one genre is better then the other, but in the end that's a bit impossible. Music isn't based on fact it's based on opinions. What appeals to one doesn't always appeal to others. For example I'm not the biggest fan of country, but to say it's the worst genre of music would just be an opinion. Some people tend to get confused in that area.

I don't stereotype genres because I believe there are good artists in every genre. The most common genre I see get attacked is hip hop or (or "rap" which is what everyone seems to call it now). I can safely say that the large majority of these people have only heard the modern mainstream hip hop, and I can agree that most of that is bad music. But to say that every rapper is bad? That's just silly. I like quite a few underground rappers myself (as well as Kanye West, lol)

Agreed. If you ever take a look into old school rap or hip-hop it's not bad at all. The newer stuff seems to me to have a pop sound influence which I don't care for. Kanye West is (what I think) a great example of someone who combines the older style with a new sound. I was obsessed with him two to three years ago and found his first three albums to be great. Especially The College Dropout and Late Registration. 808s & Heartbreak was a huge disappointment, but what I've heard of his newest album, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy brings back some old Kanye West memories~ I think it just goes to show even in what I consider to be one of my least favorite genres you can always find something you like. I guess the moral is look around before you judge!

Esper
October 17th, 2010, 10:11 AM
I find I tend to be more judgmental of people's musical tastes as a whole and mostly based on which musicians they listen to rather than the genres they listen to. For instance, on the whole I'm not a fan of country and western. When I find out someone is a country fan a little area of my brain lights up and says "eww", but if I then hear that they like Johnny Cash that part of my brain changes its tune to "oh, well, that's not so bad". Then if I hear they also listen to bluegrass, folk and classic rock, and occasionally pop and jazz, I can conclude that they have well-rounded musical tastes and that their preference for country is just a strange oddity or quirk (since I still don't see the appeal of mainstream country music).

It's when someone listens almost exclusively to certain artists I don't personally like that I start to be judgmental. It's never serious judgment though. More like "I hope I don't end up in a car when they're driving" kind of thing because I know it'll be unpleasant. I think most people can find common musical ground, though.

Hermione Granger
October 17th, 2010, 10:58 AM
I respect other people music interest. But at times, when someone says a music title that I don't like I say "dude, that sucks!". Its just that...I can't help myself.

Alice
October 17th, 2010, 12:02 PM
The only music I hate is everything that's popular. Iow, rap and hip hop. Oh, and country isn't exactly my favorite. I really don't understand how people can like rap, it's horrible.

Captain Fabio
October 17th, 2010, 12:40 PM
R&B = the worst music ever.
Indie Music = just as bad
Lady Gaga = idiot.

I don't care what other people listen too, when they try and defend something that I clearly think sucks, that is when I tell them to go away.

BHwolfgang
October 17th, 2010, 09:23 PM
For the record, I like it when artists sample with jazz beats, but I can't listen to just jazz and stick with it.

I try to give everything a chance, but I tend to give a negative response towards the Screamo or Hardcore genre. I can basically stand every other genre, except those two. I don't usually hear other people's music, as they always listen to their iPod and I can't hear anything from it. Whenever I do, it's usually from my friends and we have the same musical taste. However, on occasions, I would ask to see a person's iPod and see what they have on it. I do occasionally see Bring Me the Horizon or Devil Wears Prada and I respect their taste. I have nothing wrong with them liking those bands, but it's just not my cup of tea.

Eliminator Jr.
October 17th, 2010, 11:03 PM
I try to be open to all styles of music, but some styles I find difficult to enjoy overall. Even then, though, I'll still pick out parts of a song that I like. An extreme example: Simple Plan are the lamest band on earth in my opinion - typical pop-punk garbage combined with incredibly whiny vocals - but I can enjoy for example the guitar riff at the start of their song "Me Against The World" before the vocals come in. That's an example.

But the thing is I'm not going to discriminate on people based on music taste. It just so happens that I get along better with people who have a similar music taste because I'm a boring person and the majority of what I talk about is music, so it's not intentional that I make friends with people who have what I would consider a better music taste than the average person.

I try to find good things with every genre. Country music for instance may have a good guitar part while the over-American-accented vocals ruin it for me, or NWA might have a pretty cool beat in their songs but the constant swearing and lack of lyrics I can relate to ruin it for me. Of course, there are some things I can't see any good in, but I try my best.

Case study: it's irritating when some of my indie-listening friends criticise me for listening to AC/DC. For those not in the know, AC/DC has had two main vocalists - Bon Scott who played their earlier stuff (Jailbreak, Highway to Hell etc.) and Brian Johnson, who took over after Bon Scott died (basically everything after 1980) - and what most people hear is Brian Johnson-era stuff, which I personally don't like. People who generalise with music, in this case the indie friends, don't even bother to try and listen to the music in order to make an informed decision, or in this case listen to the Bon Scott era and see the difference between vocalists.

Actor
October 17th, 2010, 11:21 PM
I hate it when someone make fun of a singer (Justin Bebiler being an example) because the singer still has his/her's own feelings. I usually stick to some pop, RnB and Rock music. I never really liked jazz or classial (ugh..) music.

Silver
October 20th, 2010, 03:25 PM
First off I'm kind of a music snob/elitist/hipster however you want to call it. But I will listen to anything so long as it is good/appealing. Now good is subjective, and can mean many things and there are different ways to quantify good. But if it doesn't have substance or at least something that could be called music. I try to at least respect artists that don't enjoy listening to if they have talent.

I'll try and respect others tastes in music, especial if they are artists that I think are talented but I just can't seem to enjoy. But then their are people that to me just seem so helpless lost in in their music, or haven't been exposed to what truly amazing music can sound like, and in that case I don't try berate them, but I do attempt to introduce them to artists that I feel have some talent or are worth listening to.

All that being said, there are probably fallacies or hypocrisy in this point. Feel free to point them out and I'll try to explain myself better.

Massacre.
October 31st, 2010, 01:01 PM
I hate Justin Bieber haters, (I AIN'T A FAN), as they are too criticizing. I mean, how would you like it if some retards kept tellin you to "stop listening to your music it sucks" I honestly like BrokeNCYDE, which has ratings at 47 at AP. I hate haters, clearly.

Rucario
October 31st, 2010, 06:45 PM
I give terrible music genres a chance before I talk about them. Like rap, I've tried to like it, but I just don't like it. Same with hippity hip. It's all in opinion. Some people could bash me for liking the music I like, but they don't. (well, yeah, they do.)

The Corrupt Plague
October 31st, 2010, 07:03 PM
I do tend to keep an open mind and I usually listen to them first before making my opinion. There are still a few genres that I still dislike, however. They are: Country and rap. Out of those two, I have found very few good artists with the rest I have listened to being crap in my opinion. To keep the firestorm away, I will not list any names.

Shelldershucker
October 31st, 2010, 09:24 PM
I like Jazz music, but I prefer more contemporary smooth jazz over classical jazz. My favorite genre of music is Jazz-Asian Folk fusion (Look up Hiroshima).

As for classical music. I am generally not a fan of classical music (except for a few Wagner, Tchaikovsky and Bach masterpieces). However, I really like military marches. Give me a good masterpiece from the Soviet Red Army Choir, the Democratic People's Republic of (North) Korea's army band, Nazi marching music or even a few pieces from the US Military :-D

However, I do not like country, punk, reggae, ska, pop or gangsta rap music at all.