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Platinum Lucario
November 17th, 2010, 03:23 AM
Yes... PC has been quite unstable with it's Database for about the last 2 years as from what I can remember. Although I can't seem to remember any Database Errors occuring when I first joined PC. Although I am quite possitive that Steve is doing his best to fixing the Database Errors by eliminating some of the things that is causing the website data size to become too big.

If this continues... PC could be left with the removal of really good features such as the "Who's Online" area and all that sort of stuff... so you won't be able to know what another member is doing or anything. Maybe people might be refreshing the page too much? Is this something to do with the size of the forum? Is this something to do with the size limitation of the website host? If that could be what the problem is... then my best suggestion would be moving to an unlimited server rather than a limited server.

Although... I might not know much about how websites work, but just think of how some other popular websites are able to keep going without something going wrong in their SQL Database.

Also... as alot of you might already know... there's vBulletin 4.0.8, which is way much more better than the normal vBulletin. If the server issue is fixed then we might be able to upgrade to the new vBulletin.

So I just kinda wonder to myself... is this forum on an unlimited hosting? Or is it on a limited hosting?

Captain Fabio
November 17th, 2010, 03:31 AM
This problem hasn't gone unnoticed, obviously.
I am sure they are working at every problem to try and make it better for us.

Money, I am sure, is an issue, so feel free to donate like myself ;)

Zet
November 17th, 2010, 03:36 AM
Well if you're feeling generous, you could always buy PC a dedicated server so there won't be any more database errors for a long time. :P

Zeffy
November 17th, 2010, 03:55 AM
Well if you're feeling generous, you could always buy PC a dedicated server so there won't be any more database errors for a long time. :P
This.

Its not like PC is the only place you can get to the internet. There's lot of other sites there, you just haven't found them. I usually listen to music until PC's back up again. I'm used to it already. :U
EDIT: Oh and btw, the new vBulletin is horrible and ugly from what I've seen. u__u

Platinum Lucario
November 17th, 2010, 03:56 AM
Well if you're feeling generous, you could always buy PC a dedicated server so there won't be any more database errors for a long time. :P

Yeah, I could actually look into buying PC a dedicated server. Then we'd finally be able to successfully bring back all the things that were removed due to causing PC to reach it's limit. And like I said... if we don't do something... then hardly anyone will be even able to browse PC, due to the fact that the limitation to how many people are able to browse PC has been lowered from what I've noticed... so even less people can browse PC now. D:

There's always plenty more threads, posts, social groups, and blogs getting made every day... it all adds up to the website data size. And when there's a limitation... it prevents the website from going any higher... so therefore causes a Database Error on the MySQL Database... because say like... the thread data was incomplete while it was being made... and the limitation cuts it in half... and the process was not complete.

Alright... I'll have to see about buying PC a dedicated server. And if I don't have enough money... I'll try to save up enough to buy one... to help PC survive.

Zeffy
November 17th, 2010, 04:02 AM
Yeah, I could actually look into buying PC a dedicated server. Then we'd finally be able to successfully bring back all the things that were removed due to causing PC to reach it's limit. And like I said... if we don't do something... then hardly anyone will be even able to browse PC, due to the fact that the limitation to how many people are able to browse PC has been lowered from what I've noticed... so even less people can browse PC now. D:

There's always plenty more threads, posts, social groups, and blogs getting made every day... it all adds up to the website data size. And when there's a limitation... it prevents the website from going any higher... so therefore causes a Database Error on the MySQL Database... because say like... the thread data was incomplete while it was being made... and the limitation cuts it in half... and the process was not complete.

Alright... I'll have to see about buying PC a dedicated server. And if I don't have enough money... I'll try to save up enough to buy one... to help PC survive.
That would be great, then!
But still, nothing lasts forever so however big or unlimited a server is...it will still expire. I don't know about others, though.

Captain Fabio
November 17th, 2010, 04:03 AM
Alright... I'll have to see about buying PC a dedicated server. And if I don't have enough money... I'll try to save up enough to buy one... to help PC survive.

That is dam decent of you, however, I don't think you realise how much they are :/

Platinum Lucario
November 17th, 2010, 04:09 AM
That would be great, then!
But still, nothing lasts forever so however big or unlimited a server is...it will still expire. I don't know about others, though.

Well, this is why people who use hosting would always have to keep paying for their domain to keep it from expiring. But I've found a website that has unlimited space. It's called www.unlimited-space.com.

However, if PC is already on a host that uses unlimited space, then I guess I might have to buy PC a dedicated server, then... all the supporters will have to help Steve with the costs... by of course... donating, like we do today.

Ausaudriel
November 17th, 2010, 01:59 PM
PC is already on a dedicated server (along with a few other smaller sites.)

vBulletin 4.x is less stable than 3.x and is actually more resource intensive, so upgrading isn't a solution, it's a step backwards. (Plus I agree with Zeffy, it's ugly as hell. XD)

Pablo49
November 17th, 2010, 04:27 PM
Pokecommunity has been up for a long time and have a lot of dead accounts. I haven't been around long enough to know, but have you guys ever had a fresh restart of the boards?

curiousnathan
November 17th, 2010, 04:34 PM
Why not start pruning dead accouts? That could help?
Because it's irritating to see so many dead and inactive accounts that take up data space.
They stop so many others from joining and browsing PC!

Team Fail
November 17th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Why not start pruning dead accouts? That could help?
Because it's irritating to see so many dead and inactive accounts that take up data space.
They stop so many others from joining and browsing PC!

That, and super ancient threads, like this old thread, showing Hiroshi's time here (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=14148). :P I read this, and found some of PC's history.

The 100 Mega Shock
November 17th, 2010, 05:32 PM
Well, this is why people who use hosting would always have to keep paying for their domain to keep it from expiring. But I've found a website that has unlimited space. It's called www.unlimited-space.com.

However, if PC is already on a host that uses unlimited space, then I guess I might have to buy PC a dedicated server, then... all the supporters will have to help Steve with the costs... by of course... donating, like we do today.

But then you have to take bandwidth into consideration.

And my, what an important consideration that is.

Pablo49
November 17th, 2010, 05:35 PM
One thing about pruning dead accounts is you never know when someone may come back. I was on a forum for some time back on 2005, then stopped going there for about two years, came back, and I'm still active there. But again, you can always just make a new account. I'd place a copious amount of money on saying there won't be any accounts that get deleted.

Aquacorde
November 17th, 2010, 05:54 PM
How about putting a taboo on more than one or two alt. accounts? I realize people use alts for things sometimes, but is having more than one or two really necessary?

curiousnathan
November 17th, 2010, 05:56 PM
One thing about pruning dead accounts is you never know when someone may come back. I was on a forum for some time back on 2005, then stopped going there for about two years, came back, and I'm still active there. But again, you can always just make a new account. I'd place a copious amount of money on saying there won't be any accounts that get deleted.
Yes you have a good point there but, like you also mentioned they can make a new account. The member can then be notified; saying that their account has been deleted because of inactivity for a large period of time.

Why restrict other froms joining and browsing PC because of other's inactivity.
Also; can we do something about having more than a certain amount of accounts. For example the user can be notified on which account they'd like to keep and they rest can be deleted.

Have a rules for example of 2 accounts per person. If someone wishes to have one deleted just contact anadministrstor or Steve/Rukario.

Buoysel
November 17th, 2010, 05:57 PM
One thing about pruning dead accounts is you never know when someone may come back. I was on a forum for some time back on 2005, then stopped going there for about two years, came back, and I'm still active there. But again, you can always just make a new account. I'd place a copious amount of money on saying there won't be any accounts that get deleted.

Pokecommunity is a huge site, and there are just too many people tiring to browse the site for the server to keep up. Dead accounts because no stress on the server, it’s just data on the HDD that isn't being used, and it is not taking up any Processor power at all.

If anybody want to help out donate a large sum of some money, there is a donate button at the top of every page. The site is slow because it is hosted on a (in a server since) light weight computer. If you compare the specks of this server to those of say one of those that you might find in a Datacenter, it would be like comparing a Netbook with a top of the line Gaming PC.

Things you can do:

1. Donate whatever money you can for a new Server (price ranges $1500 USD and up, and by up I mean $200,000 USD)
2. Browse PC during the early morning through the early afternoon when the server traffic is at its lowest.
3. Make it an early Christmas for Steve by buying a new server for the site

Or

4. Go do something else when the server lags. It's busy severing close to a thousand requests at one time.

Ausaudriel
November 17th, 2010, 05:58 PM
The number of accounts means absolutely nothing, trust me. They take up practically no space.

@Pablo49: the boards were restarting once before several years ago. The thing is that it isn't the size of the database that's the problem, it's the number of users online at a time. It's just so many people accessing so many things at once that the server can't always handle it.

Rukario
November 17th, 2010, 07:00 PM
The number of accounts means absolutely nothing, trust me. They take up practically no space.

@Pablo49: the boards were restarting once before several years ago. The thing is that it isn't the size of the database that's the problem, it's the number of users online at a time. It's just so many people accessing so many things at once that the server can't always handle it.

For the most part, correct..
under normal conditions the server has no problems handling all the users PC throws at it.. but lately when vB does its session re-authorizations its locking up the tables, causing too many connections for the configuration of the db server and we're getting a domino effect.. which in turn cause apache (the web server) to also lock up with too many connections.. (some of this can be eliminated with even more ram, but that is a just a stop-gap.. a bandaid fix) and BOOM we go down till i can clear the flood.. and of course, once the server's come back up it IMMEDIATELY starts all over again and that adds to how long it takes to fully recover (you all can help here by doing something else while we recover the server) and I have to babysit it killing apache processes and long-running mysql threads..

Bottom line, we do need a MUCH bigger server or a pair (or perhaps 3 + a load balancer) to handle the increased usage we're getting, but the prices jump up pretty drastically for these kinds of server's (or even for multiple mid-range ones).. as much as from our $360-450 current range to well over $800-900 /mo. and that is just something we can not sustain at all right now.

We've been investigation these updates and other possible solutions as well, so everyone, know we do know about it and are actively working to fix it.

Melody
November 17th, 2010, 07:01 PM
Basically the problem isn't space or bandwidth, it's CPU/RAM usage.

If we could find a beefier Dedicated Server to host our junk on, for a reasonable price we'd be all good. I think it's just a matter of finding hosting that offers everything that PC needs to operate properly as well as having more modern and cutting edge servers for a reasonable price.

Of course...the main concern is data loss when moving, and no host change should be done with a light heart. The last thing PC needs is to move into a better host only to find out that it's unreliable or unsuited to our needs as an ever expanding Pokemon fansite. Note that even places like Serebii are suffering the same bloat.

I'm doubting that vB4 will ever solve our DBE problem, mainly because I think feature creep is sinking into vB. XD

Unless they magically create some sort of administrative interface that can help control how hard the database gets hit. Now that would be a feature I think vB could use...even if it's done by an addon.

Perhaps we could just stop vB from performing all those re-authorizations? Do the tokens HAVE to expire after a short period of time? Could we not extend the life of these tokens and perhaps add in ways to rate-limit the number of these re-authorizations so they don't happen all at once?

Buoysel
November 17th, 2010, 09:03 PM
as much as from our $360-450 current range to well over $800-900 /mo.

I thought you guys owned the server.. I didn't realize you rented one... yeah it’s going to cost a lot of money either way... :(

Platinum Lucario
November 18th, 2010, 05:22 AM
For the most part, correct..
under normal conditions the server has no problems handling all the users PC throws at it.. but lately when vB does its session re-authorizations its locking up the tables, causing too many connections for the configuration of the db server and we're getting a domino effect.. which in turn cause apache (the web server) to also lock up with too many connections.. (some of this can be eliminated with even more ram, but that is a just a stop-gap.. a bandaid fix) and BOOM we go down till i can clear the flood.. and of course, once the server's come back up it IMMEDIATELY starts all over again and that adds to how long it takes to fully recover (you all can help here by doing something else while we recover the server) and I have to babysit it killing apache processes and long-running mysql threads..
I see... well I'm sure if another vBulletin Database Error occurs... I'll do something else for ten minutes... then I'll refresh the page to see if the database is fixed.
And I see... that the problem most of the time is the too many connections when vBulletin does it's session re-authorizations is locking up the tables, so which means the connections of the configuration for it's MySQL database, which then causes it to crash, eh? I see, and I do understand the cause now.
Bottom line, we do need a MUCH bigger server or a pair (or perhaps 3 + a load balancer) to handle the increased usage we're getting, but the prices jump up pretty drastically for these kinds of server's (or even for multiple mid-range ones).. as much as from our $360-450 current range to well over $800-900 /mo. and that is just something we can not sustain at all right now.
Hm... yes, that would indeed be a good idea. I'm sure if there's alot of supporters... then I'm sure they would help you with the costs of renting the new extra dedicated servers, however I do think... there might not be enough supporters to pay for the costs of extra dedicated servers, and I do understand that... I guess that explains why you haven't got more dedicated servers yet. Yeah... what I noticed yesterday was indeed the costs of the dedicated servers.
We've been investigation these updates and other possible solutions as well, so everyone, know we do know about it and are actively working to fix it.
Alrighty! Even if a good feature is removed... I will still be on PC... no matter what happens, because this is where I met my first ever friends on the internet. ;)
If we could find a beefier Dedicated Server to host our junk on, for a reasonable price we'd be all good. I think it's just a matter of finding hosting that offers everything that PC needs to operate properly as well as having more modern and cutting edge servers for a reasonable price.
Well... the problem is... the better the dedicated server is... the more expensive it gonna be. And I'm pretty sure there is a reason why Steve hasn't rented another dedicated server yet. And well, I'm sure this (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cheap+dedicated+servers+with+alot+of+ram) might help out Steve... hopefully, although... again... Steve might not be able to afford the costs.
Of course...the main concern is data loss when moving, and no host change should be done with a light heart. The last thing PC needs is to move into a better host only to find out that it's unreliable or unsuited to our needs as an ever expanding Pokemon fansite. Note that even places like Serebii are suffering the same bloat.
Hm... I can see your point of view. However... I have noticed Serebii's Pokémon Place forums really doesn't have any Database Errors... just lagging, that's about all from my point of view. Maybe it's because they have the forum styles kept to a minimum maybe? Also on SPPf, no one is able to use custom avatars except for the staff.
I'm doubting that vB4 will ever solve our DBE problem, mainly because I think feature creep is sinking into vB. XD
Hm... little do I know about vBulletin 4, however I do know that vBulletin 4.0.8 is the latest stable version for vBulletin 4. Tbh, I didn't really say that vBulletin 4.0.8 would fix the problems... all I said was that if the server problem is fixed... then Steve might be able to upgrade, and I thought it was way much better... probably by looks it is... but I guess it still has stabability issues. I've never really experienced it, tbh.
Unless they magically create some sort of administrative interface that can help control how hard the database gets hit. Now that would be a feature I think vB could use...even if it's done by an addon.
Hm... we're not sure if Steve has got that implemented or not, the database does seem to get fixed pretty quickly, it doesn't really take very long, so I assume he knows whenever it happens somehow.
Perhaps we could just stop vB from performing all those re-authorizations? Do the tokens HAVE to expire after a short period of time? Could we not extend the life of these tokens and perhaps add in ways to rate-limit the number of these re-authorizations so they don't happen all at once?
Hm... when I read this part of your post... I immediately realized how great it would if Steve could stop the forum from performing the re-authorizations, maybe Jelsoft hasn't implemented this feature yet or something? I'm not sure. But if Steve is unable to do so... then I guess I understand the case.


I thought you guys owned the server.. I didn't realize you rented one... yeah it’s going to cost a lot of money either way... :(

Well, unfortunately... there is no possible way of buying a dedicated server. You can only rent it, mainly because dedicated servers are made for buisness use, that's why the buisnesses have to make money by encouraging people to buy stuff... and not to also mention... they have to buy their goods as well to have them on the shelves for the people to buy. I have realized that it's basically about hosting, and it's more like a subscription service. Like I said, there is no possible way of buying one and owning it, you have to pay out each month for the cost... alot like when you have an internet connection using a wireless router or something

Cassino
November 18th, 2010, 05:43 AM
Pokecommunity has been up for a long time and have a lot of dead accounts. I haven't been around long enough to know, but have you guys ever had a fresh restart of the boards?
As far as I've heard, twice between 2002 and 2004.

Platinum Lucario
November 18th, 2010, 07:04 AM
As far as I've heard, twice between 2002 and 2004.

As far as I've looked into the history, PokéCommunity restarted in September 2003, and I'm not sure what it really was caused by or anything. But when I did look into the history... I did see some deleted accounts, I'm not sure if that was anything to do with the database crashing or anything like that, but yeah... we'll just see what Steve does for trying to fix the database. ;)

Buoysel
November 18th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Well, unfortunately... there is no possible way of buying a dedicated server. You can only rent it, mainly because dedicated servers are made for buisness use, that's why the buisnesses have to make money by encouraging people to buy stuff... and not to also mention... they have to buy their goods as well to have them on the shelves for the people to buy. I have realized that it's basically about hosting, and it's more like a subscription service. Like I said, there is no possible way of buying one and owning it, you have to pay out each month for the cost... alot like when you have an internet connection using a wireless router or something

A dedicated server simply means that the server is dedicated to one function, in this case running the PokeCommunity. Which we have, we are just running out of horsepower on our current box.

@Rukario do let us know as soon as you find out, I'm sure if you had a special donation drive we might be able to raise some extra money, however that is not going to help with monthly bills. :(

Kura
November 19th, 2010, 03:52 PM
DB Errors seem to be a daily thing nowadays. I wonder what's up ://

Rukario
November 19th, 2010, 04:03 PM
blame vB. its crap that they use the db to store sessions in and, when there is an issue, all the sessions (members, staff, and guests) have to be re-authorized and its all done in the database... it make it VERY hard to recover the server after a busy time / overload.

6807 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 6 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '68.192.127.127' AND idhash = '3dbaed87da736cf61368967caa66bfa5' LIMIT 1
6808 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 6 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '66.249.71.184' AND idhash = 'da54f4451ffc8354910165011e3da49b' LIMIT 1
6809 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 6 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '77.88.29.247' AND idhash = '57a824e43166c4434e8b381b69e29d46' LIMIT 1
6797 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 8 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '24.99.156.122' AND idhash = '78f30f497a725471fd0f23bd64f28d1b' LIMIT 1
6798 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 8 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '24.99.156.122' AND idhash = '78f30f497a725471fd0f23bd64f28d1b' LIMIT 1
6799 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 8 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '24.99.156.122' AND idhash = '78f30f497a725471fd0f23bd64f28d1b' LIMIT 1
6800 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 8 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '24.99.156.122' AND idhash = '78f30f497a725471fd0f23bd64f28d1b' LIMIT 1
6801 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 8 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '24.99.156.122' AND idhash = '78f30f497a725471fd0f23bd64f28d1b' LIMIT 1
6802 pokecomm_ localhost pokecomm_v 8 Query SELECT * FROM session WHERE userid = 0 AND host = '24.99.156.122' AND idhash = '78f30f497a725471fd0f23bd64f28d1b' LIMIT 1

ALL of these are locked, and imagine 100's of them all at once.. again all locked and yet we still need to process the 'normal' queries.. like viewing a post / thread, etc..
*sigh*

Meduza
November 19th, 2010, 04:08 PM
I heard refreshing the website again and again just makes it slower. I might be wrong.

Rukario
November 19th, 2010, 04:11 PM
I heard refreshing the website again and again just makes it slower. I might be wrong.

it makes recovering it take longer..

Kura
November 19th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Why don't you make the guests viewing more limited? Will that cut the traffic? Cause we get like 3 times more guests than we do members :X

King Goodra
November 19th, 2010, 04:49 PM
Why don't you make the guests viewing more limited? Will that cut the traffic? Cause we get like 3 times more guests than we do members :X
I like this idea. Limiting the amount of forums and categories guests can view seems like a good idea to me, but that probably won't do much to help the database.

Forever
November 19th, 2010, 04:52 PM
Stop the guests from viewing all of the creative, social, etc, sections where members contribute their own input on stuff other than Pokemo-- or just allow the gaming sections, since people do come here for game info (and ROM hacking but pretty sure that's already cut off for guests iirc), as opposed to most of the other things and have a notice at the top as to what sections PC has?

Livewire
November 19th, 2010, 04:53 PM
I like this idea. Limiting the amount of forums and categories guests can view seems like a good idea to me, but that probably won't do much to help the database.

I agree here too.

But, what exactly would reduce server stress, out of all PC's features? I hear a lot about the server itself, but not about what features of the site put the most stress on the server, if you guys get that. What could feasibly be removed/changed, and vice-versa.

Rukario
November 19th, 2010, 04:54 PM
still won't stop the session id hashes from being done.. I've already tried it to a limited extent in the hacking/game dev areas..

King Goodra
November 19th, 2010, 04:58 PM
what about completely blocking some parts of the community from guests?

Platinum Lucario
November 19th, 2010, 05:13 PM
still won't stop the session id hashes from being done.. I've already tried it to a limited extent in the hacking/game dev areas..

Then what are we going to do? In this rate... like I said, it could continue on until it ends up in the end with PC stuck with it's last resources of the forum, then having another database error with nothing left to do.

And I do understand... that is the problem with vBulletin. I really don't know why Jelsoft couldn't give all the tools needed to handling the database. However... when I do look at forums like SPPf, they don't have any Database Errors, they only have lagging.

Melody
November 19th, 2010, 06:01 PM
I know it's draconian and probably not wanted, but could we possibly require all guests to login? (except for maybe the search spiders?)

If we required all users to login in order to view the entire forum, would this not help to reduce the session hashes?

Kura
November 19th, 2010, 06:28 PM
I know it's draconian and probably not wanted, but could we possibly require all guests to login? (except for maybe the search spiders?)

If we required all users to login in order to view the entire forum, would this not help to reduce the session hashes?

I figured if the guests have restricted access.. it'd also restrict them from clicking around threads that are HUGE ._. Imagine guests clicking on threads that are 600 posts or more. And it has to load for them every time they do newest?

:/ I dunno.. I figured it'd probably help SOMEHOW. I figure there wouldn't be as much stress on the server because of it.

I dunno about making guests log in though @_@

Melody
November 19th, 2010, 06:57 PM
Another idea that occurred to me would be to modify the Database Error page itself and remove the refresh link...and include instructions asking people to wait patiently for the site to repair itself?

Perhaps a static timer on the Database Error page with a wait time between refreshes? That might give people enough of an idea how long they ought to wait before checking in on PC again. Something like this:
Request to PC fails with Database Error.
The edited Database Error page Redirects to a to another error page outside of vB, passing the URL you were requesting from PC Forums to it as a parameter. This script makes you sit and wait by setting an expiring cookie on your browser that the script checks for. Navigating back only gets you sent to this page, because it's a redirect...and retyping the URL of PC only lands you on the DBE page which points you to the error page outside of vB. This external error page can do a few things like count how many times you've reloaded, and perhaps block you temporarily if you've been too impatient. :p A 30-60 minute block/deny on the server side could be arranged couldn't it? Of course since the DB is out, why not use PHP and cookies to determine how much someone has been reloading?

Of course once the timer has expired on that error page, it would remove the cookie, redirect you to the URL you previously requested and if PC fails with a DBE again...you wait through another wait period. This might be useful for adding to the "Server is Busy, try again later" page on PC as well...implement a script within vB that sets off a timer that auto reloads in about 15/20 minutes. (Or more, depending on the situation, you could make it customizable by reading a configuration file or something)

Buoysel
November 19th, 2010, 08:12 PM
Why are more than half of those querys from one IP?

Hey Rukario, out of curiosity, have you though about disabling echo return requests? May or may not help, but at least you would be minimizing an attack surface.

Platinum Lucario
November 20th, 2010, 10:13 AM
Hm... I always wondered and thought if the vBulletin HTML coding and PHP would actually be edited and stuff? I always knew that you can edit stuff on the webpage, including the PHP files that are uploaded on the internet and all that. Just thinking about it... I'm sure it would be possible to modify or even add new things into it to change the way the vBulletin forum works and all that. Maybe then we'd have some success, as I'm gradually learning about how websites work and all that. I'm kinda wondering myself... that if we modify and add some special PHP codes, like what Pachy said, it might... fix the problem with the MySQL Database, it just might... fix it.

WonderGirl
November 20th, 2010, 10:23 AM
But what exactly is not functioning properly? As in, what has to be changed? Is it vB itself or the host?

Platinum Lucario
November 21st, 2010, 05:23 AM
But what exactly is not functioning properly? As in, what has to be changed? Is it vB itself or the host?

It's the MySQL database that supports vBulletin, there's probably some things in vBulletin that may be un-changeable, but I'm sure Steve will do his best to fixing it up. However... there are some things that aren't possible to do.