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Mr. L
November 23rd, 2010, 08:47 AM
Does anyone know anything about the rules of 2011's VGC?

Normally I'd just wait until their released, but on Pokemon Online any Pokemon that are not in the Isshu/Unova Pokedex are banned from the VGC 2011 tier, so basically I'm wondering if the Pokemon I'm currently training in Heart Gold will be ineligible for next years tournament.

Kirbychu
November 23rd, 2010, 08:57 AM
Yes, they're ineligible. We're all going to have to start fresh in Ish-- Unova.

And if you're not already aware, the rules were released a few days ago.



Only Pokemon from Isshu can be used (excluding Victini, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genosect).
Each match is a double battle, though the amount of Pokemon that can be used in a match is not mentioned. It might be "bring six Pokemon and use four" like in the past.
Pokemon should be Level 50. Pokemon higher than that will be lowered to Level 50. Pokemon Level 49 and below will remain at the same level.
You can't use duplicate Pokemon or Items.
You can't change your Pokemon, Items, etc. during the tournament.

Mr. L
November 23rd, 2010, 09:18 AM
...Thanks Nintendo, I guess that means I just wasted 4 months of my life.

Thanks for letting me know though Kirbychu

pokewalker
November 23rd, 2010, 10:04 AM
If I can't use my Quil (my TYPHLOSION) I'm going to kill them all.


Yes, they're ineligible. We're all going to have to start fresh in Ish-- Unova.

And if you're not already aware, the rules were released a few days ago.



Only Pokemon from Isshu can be used (excluding Victini, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genosect).
Each match is a double battle, though the amount of Pokemon that can be used in a match is not mentioned. It might be "bring six Pokemon and use four" like in the past.
Pokemon should be Level 50. Pokemon higher than that will be lowered to Level 50. Pokemon Level 49 and below will remain at the same level.
You can't use duplicate Pokemon or Items.
You can't change your Pokemon, Items, etc. during the tournament.


Only one Pokémon of uNova? Why?

bwburke94
November 23rd, 2010, 10:12 AM
VGC is a joke anyway with the double battles and all. I play on simulators, so I can use whatever rules I want.

Besides, it's not worth it. Japanese players have twice as long to train up their team, since they got B/W first. I guarantee a Japanese player will win.

Mr. L
November 23rd, 2010, 01:10 PM
Only one Pokémon of uNova? Why?
I don't know, I didn't really like what was happening with Black and White to begin with, now I actually feel like Nintendo is trying to alienate all the older fans.

VGC is a joke anyway with the double battles and all. I play on simulators, so I can use whatever rules I want.

Besides, it's not worth it. Japanese players have twice as long to train up their team, since they got B/W first. I guarantee a Japanese player will win.

A fair point, but in the qualifiers I'd be facing people who've had the same amount of time with Black and White as I had, leveling the playing field and giving whoever moves on to the finals time to catch up with the Japanese,

The worst part is that I spent ages working on a team and tweaking little things here and there to make them perfect, after using them on simulators online I really started to feel like I had a chance:

The 2vs2 Team At a Glance

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This team is be focused around the twisted dimensions of Trick Room. I built it following the rules of this year’s VGC.

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Togekiss @ Lum Berry
Sassy Nature
Ability: Serene Grace
252 HP / 4 DEF / 252 S.DEF
Air Slash
Follow Me
Encore
Heal Bell

Follow Me will be used to protect Dialga (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=230961#) while it sets up Trick Room. If Togekiss hasn't been KO'd once Trick Room is set up Togekiss will either repeatedly use Follow Me to further protect Dialga and remove it from the field to make way for another sweeper or use Encore to lock an opponent into a move. Air Slash is there in case Togekiss gets taunted or a Bug, Fighting or Grass opponent is sent out.


http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/488.png
Dialga @ Power Lens
Quiet Nature
Ability: Pressure
252 HP / 252 S.ATK / 4 S.DEF
Dragon Pulse
Flash Cannon
Protect
Trick Room

Dialga will open with Trick Room and then attack the opponents with Dragon Pulse and Flash Cannon, I gave it the Power Lens to slow it down. This leading pair seems to work quite well together; the only thing that slows them down is Dark Void (Which is why I gave Togekiss Heal Bell).

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/384.png
Rayquaza @ Power Band
Quiet Nature
Ability: Air Lock
128 DEF / 252 S.ATK / 128 S.DEF
Air Slash
Ice Beam
Energy Ball
Protect


A special sweeper (http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=230961#) that will replace Togekiss, it’s moveset is designed to protect the teams sweepers (Dialga, Marowak and Rayquaza) from their weaknesses.
Also, I chose Rayquaza as its Air Lock ability will sabotage weather teams with protect protecting it against weather teams that will want it off the field as soon as possible.


http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/105.png
Marowak @ Thick Club
Brave Nature
Ability: Rock Head
252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 S.DEF
Earthquake
Double Edge
Rock Slide
Protect

Marowak will usually be the last member to appear in battle, Rayquaza is immune to Earthquake so there's no worry of hitting a partner and if Dialga is its partner then it can still cause high amounts of damage with Double Edge and Rock Slide.

3vs3 Additions

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Blaziken @ Power Anklet
Quiet Nature
Ability: Blaze
4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 S.ATK
Earthquake
Heat Wave
Low Kick
Protect

In a 3vs3 battle, Blaziken would be sent out first with Togekiss and Dialga, Protecting itself for the first round and then attacking for the following rounds.
My second choice would have been Dragonite, however I didn't want two Pokemon of the exact same typing on the field at once.

http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/485.png
Uxie @ Focus Sash
Relaxed/Sassy Nature
Ability: Levitate
252 HP / 128 DEF / 128 S.DEF
Trick Room
Helping Hand
Knock Off
Heal Bell

Uxie would be the teams back up Trick Roomer, once Trick Room is set back up Uxie will use Helping Hand on its teammates or Knock Off or Heal Bell if necessary. I gave Uxie a Focus Sash over one of the Power Items as Trick Room and Helping Hand (The two moves Uxie will probably use the most) ignore speed.
My second choice for a back up Trick Roomer was Dusknoir carrying Will-O-Wisp however I chose Uxie as it is immune to Earthquake and I think its move set is more helpful.




^ A RMT I posted a while back, but I used this team a bit and they usually perform quite well. Shame they'll never see battle in a large tournament like VGC...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
November 23rd, 2010, 01:42 PM
Well that sucks, I wonder why only Unova pokemon are allowed...

Kirbychu
November 25th, 2010, 12:34 AM
It's probably Unova only because they want people to start thinking outside the box. They try to mix it up every year. In 2009 it was just doubles with a tiny ban list. In 2010 they allowed each player two Ubers and they had an even tinier ban list. In 2011 we'll be limited to Unovan Pokemon. My guess is that they don't want to see the same strategies repeated over and over again.

Logiedan
November 25th, 2010, 01:37 AM
I think they're strictly allowing only Unova Pokémon because they want to start fresh and they would probably also want to see some strategy with the new Pokémon.

Ninja Caterpie
November 25th, 2010, 01:41 AM
The old Pokemon being ineligible is why you shouldn't make a team before the thing is announced. Honestly, what would happen if it was rotationals or triples with old Pokemon? You'd still have to restart. With a new generation, there'd be doubtless changes to rules, so relying on old ones was just plain silly. Relying on old mechanics, however, is worse. Honestly, Mr. L, your team has all HGSS stuff. Tactics working one year sure as heck won't the next. Have you actually won well against half-decent Unovan teams?

Logiedan
November 25th, 2010, 01:56 AM
I don't see what's so wrong about future preparation. But then again, you do need to know the rules before starting off. There's still lots of time and those HG/SS Pokémon aren't time wasted since you can use them for another time. So no worries, just restart but with Unova Pokémon.

NatureKeeper
November 25th, 2010, 02:56 AM
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I bet DS Download Play will help this get played in the series.

World Championship Series

Mr. L
November 25th, 2010, 01:37 PM
The old Pokemon being ineligible is why you shouldn't make a team before the thing is announced. Honestly, what would happen if it was rotationals or triples with old Pokemon? You'd still have to restart. With a new generation, there'd be doubtless changes to rules, so relying on old ones was just plain silly. Relying on old mechanics, however, is worse. Honestly, Mr. L, your team has all HGSS stuff. Tactics working one year sure as heck won't the next. Have you actually won well against half-decent Unovan teams?

If I did wait for announcements about next year's VGC I would have halved the time I had to build, test, perfect and then catch and train my team. I wanted to plan ahead and seeing as barely anything was known about gen V I had to use the knowledge I had about gen IV and then edit my team as I learnt more about the newer pokemon and mechanics. My HGSS team works very well in triples and although I've never had a rotational battle I could imagine it working in them (as soon as I get used to them). I have beat Unovan teams using the Pokemon I listed above but I don't know the gen V pokemon or moves well enough yet to judge if they were any good.

Arms
November 26th, 2010, 04:01 AM
I like the idea of Unova only Pokemon. In addition, the "fresh start" I find appealing. I also feel as if it levels the playing field a bit. Yes, the JP players do have a head start, but for everyone else we will have the same preparation time leaving it fair. However, the only flaw I see is with limiting the Pokemon we will be seeing a lot of the same teams.