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November 26th, 2010, 11:12 PM
Any Japanese speakers here? If there's enough, maybe we could get a chat/practice thread going on. Machine translations obviously being a no-no, as they can be spotted a mile away :P

November 27th, 2010, 12:24 AM
Sort of? I know a decent bit to know what's being said to me, but definitely not near enough to carry a relatively long convo, no less about anime or something along those lines. My accent is good, or at least better than most people, but at the same time, I don't think I'd be able to talk as fast as most (my talking speed isn't too good). Besides that, my base talking mode is informal, so nyeh. Was thinking of putting a basic guide up at some point, but that'll be a while, especially with finals right around the corner.

or wait? are you talking just posting here in Japanese? Cuz you can always just run your text through a translator(sorta)

November 27th, 2010, 12:25 AM
You read my mind. I actually asked about this in the J-E Discussion thread, and never got a response.

I know quite a bit more than your average weaboo, but I'm no where near actually speaking it yet.
I also have a lot of sites that I can post if you guys are looking for learning resources.

or wait? are you talking just posting here in Japanese? Cuz you can always just run your text through a translator(sorta)
I was thinking more along the lines of a thread where you can ask what words mean and phrases mean, or how you should set up a certain sentence etc.

There are times where google translate, and jisho.org combined aren't enough to figure out what I'm reading, so it would be nice if I had someone I could ask about that stuff.

November 27th, 2010, 12:44 AM
Im much the same. Learning, have a good base knowledge and can utter cetain things.

What resources are you using?

Im using Tae Kims japanese guid to japanese grammar as my main tool, along with some other things.

Im also playing pokemon in japanese. and although im not traslating EVERY conversation i have on there, im doing some and learning from it.

November 27th, 2010, 01:00 AM
^ Yeah, I used Tae Kim's guide too. (I suppose I could just ask on that forum... but it'd be easier to ask here. lol)

I also did the same thing you're doing with pokemon, except I'm reading Lucky Star: Brilliant Star. It has the kanji with furigana, so I can learn the kanji at the same time. So, it's pretty cool.

November 27th, 2010, 01:11 AM
Yeah, I really was just thinking about a chat thread in Japanese, but a help thread would work too, as any of us proficient enough could help everyone.

November 27th, 2010, 08:42 AM
Weeeell, I understand Japanese enough to get me off the weaboo list, but not enough to maintain a conversation without saying "I don't understand what you just said".

I agree with a help thread! I like helping people~ ^^ And it would certainly be fun since it's Japanese.

November 27th, 2010, 11:20 AM
I'd call myself a speaker of sorts. I've carried on a couple of pretty lengthy conversations before, but they were punctuated with a lot of "what's that?" because there are lots of words I don't know, and people who speak fast or not very clearly can really throw me off. Like most people I'm better at reading/writing.

I would be up for helping people with their 日本語. And if we're throwing out resources there's a dictionary site I quite like, WWWJDIC (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/%7Ejwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C), because it's pretty comprehensive and includes multiple search functions (kana, English, radicals, etc.) for words and kanji.

Corvus of the Black Night
November 27th, 2010, 11:28 AM
I don't speak Japanese. Yet.

I'll be studying it in college so that I can return to Hiroshima. because unlike most of you I actually lived there lololol

/um, wait, wouldn't that be writing? Lol you don't speak on a forum lol

November 27th, 2010, 12:37 PM
Well, let's get a Japanese help thread started. I have the perfect person to help us out (native!).

November 27th, 2010, 01:36 PM
Here are the sites I've used, in no particular order. (Maybe sticky them on the help thread when it's created.)


Best way to learn grammar:
It has a page on learning hiragana/katakana, but I recommend using the steps further down in my post instead. Otherwise, this is great for learning grammar, and I definitely recommend it.

Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/#ja|en|%0A (http://translate.google.com/#ja%7Cen%7C%0A)
This isn't really the most useful thing ever. Never trust what it says 100%, but sometimes it helps to get two translations if you're trying to figure out what a word means. (One from jisho.org, and then one from google translate.)

Another Dictionary:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C (http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/%7Ejwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C)
It's just another dictionary, but it also has a page for each kanji showing how to write them. I think jisho.org is way better as a dictionary, but it lacks that extra feature.)

Memorization help:
The dictation option on this site is helpful, but otherwise, I don't really like it. Everyone else seems to though, so give it a shot. Definitely learn hiragana/katakana before trying to learn any kanji with it though.

Ultimate 1 day method of learning Hiragana and Katakana: (This is just the method I used, but it works really well. Also, this is definitely the first thing you should do, before trying to learn anything else.)

First, visit this site, and copy the first hiragana chart onto paper. (There is another chart showing how to write them.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirigana

Then, pick any song, and find the romaji lyrics for it. (Generally, you can find it, along with the song, on youtube.)

Finally, just write down the lyrics in Hiragana. (Don't worry about whether the lyrics are actually kanji/katakana, all you're trying to do is memorize the hiragana.)

You probably wont need to write out the whole song (that would take awhile) so, after you think you've gotten a decent way into it, try reading what you've written. (Hopefully you'll have used just about every character at that point.) If you can read through it without having to look at the chart, you're good to go.

Done! To reinforce what you've learned, be sure to try and read every hiragana you see on niconico, youtube, or wherever else you might see it. This is actually really important to continue doing, even if you think you already know it well enough. It will help you read faster, and ensure that you never forget. (I still do it like a year later, and I can read pretty fast now.)

Finally, repeat all of these steps with Katakana. It will be a bit tougher to learn, but don't give up on it! (Here's the chart for katakana: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana)

Good luck! I hope this helps everyone.

November 27th, 2010, 01:49 PM
Your methods are pretty good, but they'll only help so far in the long run. I would advise to begin reading online material and learn words from actual sentences. Sentences are always the best method to learning vocabulary. :P

November 27th, 2010, 03:52 PM
^ Bah... I knew I was forgetting something... I even mentioned it earlier in this thread too.

I don't really have any specific links, so I dunno if I should put it in that post, but I do read manga in Japanese, and translate as I go. It kinda ruins the story, because it takes forever, but it's definitely a good way to learn.

November 27th, 2010, 03:55 PM
This is very true. I like reading small folk tales in Japanese, hopefully the new topic I made can help people!

November 27th, 2010, 04:02 PM
Looking good. Should I repost that in the other thread, or do you wanna put it in the OP?

November 27th, 2010, 04:04 PM
The other thread is the way to go! :D

Let's give you a test, the more people we get on staff to help this project the better.

Wings Don't Cry
November 27th, 2010, 04:06 PM
I've been learning Japanese for two and half years at school, I know a fair amount but not enough to carry out a proper conversation. I basically know the basics that can actually help me survive in a Japanese city.

November 27th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Let's start a basic conversation to get everyone on track!


November 27th, 2010, 04:15 PM

November 27th, 2010, 04:19 PM

マーーージでぇぇ?今日さむいけど、前ほどさむくないよね。だからサッカーやってた :D

November 27th, 2010, 04:52 PM
The other thread is the way to go!

Let's give you a test, the more people we get on staff to help this project the better.
Oh, I was just sharing all of the stuff I know about... I haven't even finished tae kim's guide or anything, so I can't really hold a conversation.

I understand those first two posts, but my brain exploded half way through the 3rd one. lol
I think I still know what it says, but I wasn't really able to break it down.

November 27th, 2010, 04:58 PM
No problem! With any conversation, everyone's ability is factored in. Just post what you can and we can still have a decent conversation :)

December 1st, 2010, 11:36 AM
お久しぶりですが、私も元気です! Khengiさんは? お元気ですか? 

んん、 今授業がありますけど、つまらないな授業だから、ネットをしますww


I have a hard time /speaking/. Not in the sense of the accent, which I'd wager is better than most since the mouth movements are similar to Mandarin, but the problem is piecing my sentences together fast enough to let the conversation flow! xDD My friend always laughs at me when I have to think over whether I should use ga or ha or wo, or if I can't think of the word I want to use.

I find that almost all online Japanese translators are absolutely worthless. They give you the strangest words when you run it through- like the most archaic, unused version of the word. Jisho.org is particularly misleading, in my opinion.

Google Translate is VERY useful however, and more than enough to get your point across. Otono and Haku, two users I know who can't even say one fluent english sentence, understand anything I put through google so long as the sentence stay's simple. GGRKS is one of the best resources I have, along with two other sites that are solely in Japanese which I don't have the links to right now. xD It's usually best to be used in conjunction with ample base Japanese knowledge however, and ggrks is best for translating single words, rather than single sentences. I give it credit for this however, because jisho.org fails even in the single word department.

Learning Japanese really begins with learning the hiragana and katakana though, if I do say so myself. It's so difficult to do anything online if you can't read and write.

December 1st, 2010, 11:46 AM
^ We definitely aren't using the same google translate. It's far worse than Jisho.org.

I've tried talking to my Japanese friends with it many times, and it doesn't work at all regardless of which way it's translating. Even if the sentences are like 3 words long.

December 1st, 2010, 11:50 AM
I know how to speak general greetings, and other generic phrases. But that's only from picking up certain words off subtitles in animes, and their opening themes.

I wouldn't know where to start at trying to read Japanese. It seems rather daunting. ;-;

December 1st, 2010, 05:32 PM
Khenji, you need more people to help staff? I would be glad to help.

December 1st, 2010, 09:54 PM
Khenji, you need more people to help staff? I would be glad to help.





1) ぜひ、先生のご意見を     と存じます。
   1 うけたまわりたい          2 おめにかかりたい
   3 もうしあげたい           4 ごらんにいれたい 2) 何かわからないことがありましたら、こちらまで     願いたいのですが。
   1 ご連絡     2 ご連絡して   3 ご連絡になって  4 ご連絡されて
3) 田中教授はもう30年も歴史を研究して     そうです。
   1 おいでになる  2 ごらんになる  3 おめしになる  4 おこしになる
4) 私の作文はいかがでしたでしょうか。先生のご感想を     ませんか。
   1 きいてください           2 おうかがいいたし
   3 おきかせください          4 おきかせいたし
5) それでは、これから駅まで迎えに     ので、よろしくお願いします。
   1 あがります   2 いたします   3 ぞんじます    4 ございます



December 1st, 2010, 09:55 PM
@Loki さん

全然まちがえてない。文法もperfect だし、very conversationalです。



December 1st, 2010, 11:10 PM
うわ、超上手! ;A; くそ、恥かしい...



December 1st, 2010, 11:38 PM

だが邪魔にはいたってわからんw 勉強足りないかね。

December 3rd, 2010, 09:18 AM

As for tools, afaik, ALC (http://www.alc.co.jp/) is the best J←→E dictionary available online.
Granted it's not that indepth, but they seem to update it quite often.

December 3rd, 2010, 10:06 AM

っていうか ALC is awesome. Me and Hitomi use it to mine sentences from.

December 4th, 2010, 12:19 PM
うわぁぁ、有難うございます! そう言って私は本とに幸せでした!
でも、実は私の文法はすごく悪いです... 難しいと思う!


@Tachibana Azumiさん
難しいよね... はい、「ローリンガール」です! その歌や大好きです、wowakaPはすばらしい! VOCALOIDの音楽や好きですか? 

I use ALC as well- that was the Japanese website I had in mind when I mentioned it earlier in my first post. xD

December 5th, 2010, 03:11 PM
@ Loki
え...上手なんかじゃないよ! ;A;

ALC? What is the link for it? C:

December 8th, 2010, 09:44 AM
DECO*27の動画はすごいでうね! もちろん、歌もすごいです!

December 11th, 2010, 06:25 AM
I only know how to read Katakana. I feel so left out. D:

I know some other things like Ki = Tree Ko = Child Ryu = Dragon Neko = Cat Hi = Fire Mori = Forest ect. But that's it.

Learning Hirigana soon though :D