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Kaori
January 23rd, 2011, 07:39 AM
Another Weekly Poll down the line! n_n

Do you like the changes B/W has brought to the Pokémon Games?

Such as full motion in battles, camera angle changes in and out of battles, the seasonal changes (also having the wait for winter to access certain areas), and the sheer height of base stats in a good chunk of the region's Pokemon, what do you think about it all? The latter's change is even going to where Smogon is calling older generation Pokemon "worthless". However, what are your opinions and thoughts on the changes?

Discuss away!
Credit to The Red Chain for Poll Idea.

flight
January 23rd, 2011, 07:42 AM
I think the changes in B/W were a major improvement over what the other games had. Finally, the graphics have life to it, the gyms have life to it, the game mechanics, everything seems much more livelier than it was in past generations. ♥ The changes in the battle system makes it more awesome and although I think the camera angle might screw up a bit in certain areas(at least, I think), it's not something that's too hard to get over.

The Red Chain
January 23rd, 2011, 08:22 AM
Despite playing the games already and reaching the end, I always find myself in complete awe every time I turn the game on. The changes from the Game Freak logo, to the season screen before the game loads, to the C-Gear at the bottom of the screen all the way to the major changes like full-motion in battle.. I'm amazed at all of it. No matter how many times I play I find myself there staring off in splendor. ^w^

The seasons give this new generation of Pokemon a wonderful environmental feel. It's such an amazing feature to have. <3 Spring was the season the game started in for me when I received my copy. Spring is the new beginning of everything for the new year, the grass, the flowers, the trees bursting back into bloom after the long winter hibernation to start a new life. It was a perfect representation of the new adventure that laid in wait when I began my adventure in White. As time passed and the seasons changed all the way up to winter, I got to experience all of it to where I got to -watch- the seasons change, and I really felt that satisfied feeling you get after achieving something big. My achievement being that I was reaching the end of my in-game journey. I could actually -see- the effects of all of that time and work through the seasons. There's nothing like it in the Pokemon series right now, and it's really made me appreciate B&W so much~.

Camera angles in and out of battle, as well as the full-bodied movement for the Pokemon in-battle, helps to heighten that feeling of being there in that world. It brings me into the game more than I've felt with past generation games because of all the liveliness going on everywhere. Camera angles being the perspective changes like we experience here in real life, and full motion as we see in the Pokemon anime and how we would see it in real life. It makes the battles and the world so much more interesting, and has made grinding actually fun to do. Yes, I said it. Grinding is fun in B&W. <3

Although I may not agree with all of what Smogon said about the past generation Pokemon, I do feel that there is an immense change in the metagame thanks to generation 5. For me it isn't a very negative change, but a positive one for changing up the old normalities in battle. Thanks to all of the peaked stats that a good number of the new Pokemon have, it's made the regulars of the metagame become more strategic and has made them utilize Pokemon you wouldn't expect. I'm really happy with Game Freak too for giving the older Pokemon some love to match up to the new ones ; The Dream World. It has been an amazing change to the metagame too with it's twist on all the Pokemon we know and love. Now it's become more difficult to keep track of Pokemon because they can easily have a different ability you wouldn't expect that came from the Dream World. It's made the competitive thinking even more complex, and more fun! :]

Tl;dr ; I adore every single major change that B&W has brought to the Pokemon series. They have done a great job. ^.^

Pokestick, good times.
January 23rd, 2011, 09:40 AM
These are all steps forward, if you ask me.

I simply can't imagine any future Pokémon games without the things BW has added, and more will most likely be added after that.
The seasons are rather experimental, and it might not return in every game in the future, but I like it.
And I'm glad TMs are infinite, They've got other things to balance it out.

Overall, these things could need minor changes and revamps, which will most likely be provided. But as it is now I'm happy with the changes.

Speed
January 23rd, 2011, 09:45 AM
B&W has some really good changes. I love the new Pokemon, the graphics, and a lot of other stuff. I've never been this excited for a new Pokemon game, so I'm expecting a lot from it.

Toshiro.
January 23rd, 2011, 09:50 AM
I absolutely love the changes they made.

I am excited most for the Pokemon's movements during battle, along with triple battles. Also I can't wait for other new features such as seasons, the new pokemon of course, the 3D angles, etc.

So yeah, I am happy and excited for these changes :)

Haowakeorden
January 23rd, 2011, 09:53 AM
In my opinion the gameplay advances in Generation V are definitely a turn for the better. A lot of it is actually about the little things, like speech bubbles, or animated Pokémon in battle, or the seasons, or even TMs being reusable.

Now, of course I have noticed some aspects of the game that appear to be steps back from what they had before. We can all be hopeful that they'll bring the best parts of Pokémon games together in a very short while.

Kevin
January 23rd, 2011, 01:49 PM
I love all the new ideas and features brought into Black and White. The sprite animations, the seasons, and the fact that they de-capitalized the Pokemon names.

King Gumball
January 23rd, 2011, 03:06 PM
I don't really mind. The changes (most) are great, but changes are always made in every new generation. D/P had new and improved graphics for the new console and had stuff like new HM's, interactions with objects (like Veilstone gym), Snowpoint was snowing and has blizzards on occasions, the Underground was added, new Key Items like the Poke Radar, and that interactive park in Hearthome City. R/S had the really cool addition of Dive and again new and improved graphics, pokemon contests, hideouts, new bikes with cool functions etc. So for B/W it is only expected that it gets even better with cool new stuff. So I wasn't surprised about new features.

GlitchCity
January 23rd, 2011, 03:14 PM
I am really pleased with the new features in Black and White. It gets me really excited for some of those features to be used in future games. Full motion battles is a huge step in my opinion. Different camera angles, espically when used in battle is a GREAT feature. Kudos to GameFreak.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
January 23rd, 2011, 04:21 PM
I feel an odd sense of deja vu in this thread...it just seems familiar...
Anyways I like the changes to me they are as good as the changes that occurred from gen 3 to gen 4 :)

Perrie ✿
January 23rd, 2011, 04:22 PM
I voted the awesome one :3

<< I love every feature in BW. The fact that the sprites are no longer static, the camera moves during battle and all the other ones :3

So yes, I love the new features.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
January 23rd, 2011, 04:26 PM
The changes in BW have made me excited to see the changes added in the third version and the possible Hoenn remakes :D!

PlatinumDude
January 23rd, 2011, 06:15 PM
I was supposed to go for the third option...

Anyway, I love the new changes implemented in B/W, particularly the moving sprites, camera angles and higher base stats. The only change I hate is waiting till winter to get certain Pokemon.

Alternative
January 23rd, 2011, 06:54 PM
Like the other people have said, I am most impressed with the graphical content of the game. I also like that the Gyms and stuff like that have some theme to it, whether it be Dent, Pod and Cornn's gym and café double, or Aloe's gym and museum combo. It's all good for the heart of the Pokemon game, which I think will be great progress towards newer games in the future, and sets quite a high standard.

I'm also really liking the Battle Subway, mind you me being a Battle Frontier addict and all, but I think it's really good. I like the idea of different lines for different things, depending on what Pokemon you can use, and how many Pokemon you can use. I think it's really cool.

kissing. raindrops
January 23rd, 2011, 08:28 PM
I am really pleased with the new features in Black and White. It gets me really excited for some of those features to be used in future games. Full motion battles is a huge step in my opinion. Different camera angles, espically when used in battle is a GREAT feature. Kudos to GameFreak.

I agree :) I'm pretty excited about the full motion battles and new camera angles.

Although I haven't played the games yet, I got more excited from just reading this thread :3 I didn't know that the TM's were reusable! :o Also, the seasons is something I'm looking forward to so much, especially getting my own Bambi (I dunno his name >.<) on my team and watching his form change with the seasons :3 And I'm really excited to see the new features/additions to the battle frontier, or whatever it's called in B&W. Overall I'm always excited for a new generation to come out. And of course, we can't forget the new Pokemon! <3 Just battling and seeing new Pokemon that I've never encountered before makes me excited. :)

Rawrinism
January 23rd, 2011, 10:50 PM
I think B/W is a big update in the Pokemon franchise. I mean we got better battle mechanics, graphics, areas! I'm really excited to explore the huge city! The one where Arti is the gym leader.

Pokemon Trainer Touko
January 24th, 2011, 02:17 AM
I think Pokemon Black and White are the BEST EVER made Pokemon game- their graphics are awesome, the soundtracks and storyline are epic too! The character designs are the BEST!!!! N is ADORABLE!! Bel is cute, Cheren, Touko/White and Touya/Black are cute too!!!!!!! XD

Twiggy
January 24th, 2011, 06:14 AM
Well... I like the changes in BW. It made it stand out after all the time in the 4th generation! I welcomed the changes - to me, it was more like, improvements, both minor and major. These improvements contribute a lot to the experience. New Pokémon, new battle modes, new connectivity, new story... gotta love them all!

Blue Nocturne
January 24th, 2011, 11:46 AM
I don't get the hype about the constantly animated sprites. To be honest, I'd rather the well animated sprites that were in the Gen IV games than the relatively sub-par (apart from a few, such as Reshirams, Zekroms and Braviarys, which are fantastic) but looping animations in Gen V.

The other things like the moving camera in and out of battle, seasons, triple battles etc, are all fantastic. However, I don't think they were really used as well as they could have been. To a degree i can understand why, but I don't think the seasons had a big enough impact on the landscape as they should have and triple/rotation battles are severely underused, especially if you note what a massive opportunity the Sanyou trio was to exploit and show off this new feature. Hopefully these things were just held back for the third version rather than just ignored.

Blue
January 24th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Yeah, I really do like the changes, it's nothing like any of the other Pokémon games, as stated in ONM "After years of upgrades and remakes, it promises the biggest changes since the series began" and that quote is true from what I've experienced so far.

kohei
January 24th, 2011, 03:36 PM
Some updates are a step forward (moving sprites, a story which breaks the Pokemon-mold, reusable TMs), but most seem like a step back (no perma-run button, bottom DS screen not utilized fully, very linear map, no Battle Frontier, Musicals not as enjoyable as Contests or Pokeathlon.)

Overall, it was just another Pokemon game for me.

firefoxkatan
January 25th, 2011, 07:07 AM
I am excited about most of the new features personally, but admitidly not all of them.

The triple battle system seems very interesting as when the Advanced games were introduced, having the double battle. I can see me getting used to the rotating battles as well but currently will be odd at first. I am a classic pixel artist and lover. I like flat 2D sharp images, now they are being moved on a 3D plane? Not sure how I feel about that but again, I'll probably get used to it.

The new Battle targeting reminds me of some older RPGs I'd play where position is based on how and if you can hit the enemy and I'll probably like it. It'll also be nice to use items in the multiplayer battles.

I also really do love the idea of seasons! I instatly thought of Animal Crossing as it goes by the true days of the year and snows and blooms at the correct times of the year. But it is nice to know that the seasons change monthly so you can see them sooner <3

The team Plasma story made me giggle inside and their costumes are ridiculous, but I will enjoy playing against them indeed.

Hiroshi Sotomura
January 26th, 2011, 04:25 AM
To be honest, I don't quite see any major changes worth complaining about. They're more of updates we probably could've done with earlier in the series. We should be complaining about the fact they didn't make these steps up earlier. But I admit - we waited and we got quality.

Battles certainly feel a lot more dynamic compared to, say, HeartGold and SoulSilver, but they still could do with improvements. Attacks still don't feel like "attacks", and while I understand that it'd be a heck of a job actually trying to make over 500+ Pokémon perform a "Tackle" or "Body Slam" (as a drawing effort) it'd be nice to see the ways they could make it seem more dynamic. Making the special attacks stand out a lot more with (admittedly very nice) flashy effects doesn't exactly count. The dynamic camera helps, though.

One thing people keep mentioning about these higher-stat Pokémon: I get that a majority of the new Pokémon have a lot higher base stats than Pokémon from previous generations, but other than all the new combinations of moves people need to try out, the stats for the commonly used Pokémon from previous generations don't really seem all that imbalanced compared to the new 'monsters.

Team Plasma's intertwining into the story? Couple that with the amazing scene at the Pokémon League? Awesome. Awesome awesome awesome.

The only thing I don't like in Black and White? Going from something interactive (Contests/Pokéthlons) to what's more or less a screensaver (Musicals). Not the best change in side-activities.

Katja
January 26th, 2011, 03:04 PM
I really like all the features. The game feels so nice to play.

NejiForce
January 27th, 2011, 11:17 AM
I like B&W most of all games if I´m honest they were the best in my brain there is the 3. the best but just because i started wth it.
The tm-system great
the camera greate(idea sometimes it looked kind of messed up)
cool pokis
cool team
cool Arenas(!!!)
cool plot(even if I´ve the opinion that Pokemon is a trading and training game witch actually could live without a story if you search a good Story play Digimon World:P)
cool game
10/10

Cherrim
January 28th, 2011, 09:58 AM
For the most part, I welcome essentially every change. I really love the new Pokémon (to the point where I can barely decide on a 6-member team) and the new additions have been fun and exciting.

I think the only things I have to complain about are the ridiculously high levels that everything seems to evolve at. :( Favourite addition was improved menu shortcuts. And I like that sleeping Pokémon actually close their eyes. THIS WAS A LONG TIME COMING.

edit: oh yeah, musicals freaking sucked. :(

NejiForce
January 29th, 2011, 03:18 AM
(I have to add that alle the stairs,stairs,stairs and 10k other stairs,everywhere-
they let me get crazy from time to time(best example ist the League-event)
and you walk them up and up and they get biggger every time did they think their symbolic or why did the fill the whole game wit those freaky stairs?

Folkedahl
January 30th, 2011, 08:20 AM
I haven't played it yet, but from what I've read it seems like it's becoming less of pokemon and more just another RPG.

Lt_Nite
January 30th, 2011, 10:33 AM
Usually I'm one to not like a lot of change, but in this case I like a lot of these changes. The past games have been to similar in gameplay, style, etc. Sure each game slowly worked on changing somethings, but never anything that drastic. In this case these changes are just huge, which to me will add a new flair to the game. Overall I'm excited to see how these changes play when I get the game myself.

fenyx4
February 19th, 2011, 02:57 PM
The only thing I don't like in Black and White? Going from something interactive (Contests/Pokéthlons) to what's more or less a screensaver (Musicals). Not the best change in side-activities.

You know, I heard that the "Musicals" were bad, but I didn't think they were that bad as to warrant such a comparison. :cer_disbelief:

Another Weekly Poll down the line! n_n

Do you like the changes B/W has brought to the Pokémon Games?

Such as full motion in battles, camera angle changes in and out of battles, the seasonal changes (also having the wait for winter to access certain areas), and the sheer height of base stats in a good chunk of the region's Pokemon, what do you think about it all? The latter's change is even going to where Smogon is calling older generation Pokemon "worthless". However, what are your opinions and thoughts on the changes?

Discuss away!
Credit to The Red Chain for Poll Idea.


I love the motion in battles for the Pokemon (some could use additional touches, like having the Weather Trio's Tron Lines (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TronLines) glowing in battle), but they skimped out on Trainer animations. :( The dynamic camera angle changes in battle look very nice, judging from a trailer I've seen. The implementation of seasonal changes are an awesome enhancement to the time feature, after having been rumored for quite some time. Elevated base stats are very nice indeed, but apparently that change has caused the same Pokemon to have somewhat irrationally-limited movepool (i.e., Zekrom not being able to learn Earthquake while being 39x heavier than Teddiursa who can learn EQ). Alterations such as EV recalculation post-battle, the inclusion of triple battles, Dream World ability enhancements, the maturation of the player characters and rivals, the apparent combination of Pokemon Centers and Pokemon Marts, and the seemingly gorgeous visuals are pluses in my book, though.

The removal of some of HGSS's outstanding improvements (particularly Apricorn Ball availability) greatly irked me though. I mean, they bothered to import the sprites to BW (though technically one could do that with Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V). Couldn't they just add one vendor in the regional Department Store to sell them as "exotic rare Poke Balls from another region" or something? If the Poke Ball variants of Sinnoh, Kanto, and Hoenn (each considerable distances apart from each other with Johto squashed with Kanto in the middle), why are Johto's Poke Balls the only ones shafted? :cer_confused:

Anyway, despite their glaring and somewhat numerous flaws, Pokemon Black and White Versions still seem like a very engaging experience with several beneficial updates and upgrades, and the airing of Best Wishes makes me want to play those games even more. T_T

In sum, there are some changes in B/W for the better, but also a step down.

BrainChord
February 19th, 2011, 03:07 PM
In my honest opinion, I wish that gamefreak was fired after Gen IV
Start a petition to hand it over to the guys who made XD & Colloseum! (genious sonority) lol