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PokéSwimmer
January 31st, 2011, 01:36 PM
I didn't see a thread about this, so I decided to post one.

As you may already know, the “Miracle of Evolution”http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/38/Bag_Miracle_of_Evolution_Sprite.png is an item that boosts the Defense and Special Defense of Pokémon that are not fully evolved by 50%. This gives NFE Pokémon (such as Magneton or Chansey) much more usability both in-game and in competitive battling. (Source: Serebi (http://serebii.net/itemdex/evolutionstone.shtml)i, Bulbapedia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/In-battle_effect_item#Miracle_of_Evolution))

That being said, which Pokémon do you intend to use it with and why?

G.U.Y.
January 31st, 2011, 01:56 PM
I have a question about it.

Does it boost the Power of Pokemon like Magneton, Chansey, Metapod, and so on too? Because they're technically both pre-evolved and evolved Pokemon.

And do you know this for a fact that it does/doesn't or are you just assuming?

The 100 Mega Shock
January 31st, 2011, 01:59 PM
The Miracle of Evolution boosts the DEF and Sp.DEF on unevolved Pokémon (e.g. Scyther, Gligar) by 50%. It boosts the DEF and Sp.DEF of evolved Pokémon that can still evolve again (e.g. Chansey, Porygon2) by 30%.

Disregard that, I've stuck clocks. It's a straight 50% boost to DEF and Sp.DEF for any Pokémon that can evolve.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
January 31st, 2011, 02:07 PM
This is beneficial for those who don't want to evolve their Pokemon :) Plus it makes them more competitive...haha I'm glad Shuckle didn't get an evolution after all as this stone would up it's already bulky defenses...

Niprop
February 2nd, 2011, 10:08 PM
Interestingly, Porygon2's boosted defenses combined with it's HP make it roughly more bulky on average then Deoxys-D, and even comparable to bulk to Lugia (though, with the proper EV spread, Lugia has slightly more Physical bulk).

With the stone, Porygon2 can take blows from hard-hitters like Salamence and Metagross, and even stand up to monster attackers Palkia and Mewtwo to an extent (though Draco Meteor on the former and Aura Sphere on the later will hurt).

Already training an armada of these guys in order to test out individual sets. Conversion2 might actually find some use now that Porygon2 can reliably take attacks.

PlatinumDude
February 2nd, 2011, 10:25 PM
This is beneficial for those who don't want to evolve their Pokemon :) Plus it makes them more competitive...haha I'm glad Shuckle didn't get an evolution after all as this stone would up it's already bulky defenses...
Miracle of Evolution only affects Pokemon that can evolve. It can be used with Chansey, but not Shuckle.

I've seen Porygon2, Chansey and Dusclops holding MoE in Pokemon Online and man, they were more of a pain to take down than usual. The only downside to holding MoE I can think of is that if you lack reliable recovery, you can't use Leftovers.

Ooka
February 3rd, 2011, 11:18 AM
The only Pokemon I think that it really makes a difference for is Porygon2 with the welcomed Sp. Def boost. Well, actually, Roselia can do some damage with it and TS.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 3rd, 2011, 04:19 PM
Miracle of Evolution only affects Pokemon that can evolve. It can be used with Chansey, but not Shuckle.

I've seen Porygon2, Chansey and Dusclops holding MoE in Pokemon Online and man, they were more of a pain to take down than usual. The only downside to holding MoE I can think of is that if you lack reliable recovery, you can't use Leftovers.
Lol I know it only works for pokemon that evolve xD I was just saying that if Shuckle was given an evolution this gen then it would have made Shuckle more dangerous as the MoE would have made it almost unstoppable...
Uh Chansey is such a pain to take down by itself...now she's more powerful than before...actually I wonder if her defenses with the MoE are now more powerful than Blissey's :\

Bluerang1
February 4th, 2011, 09:53 AM
I guess I'll use it on my Snivy since I'm not evolving it.

Andrut
February 4th, 2011, 10:02 AM
I think it will become used often in competitive battling, as, for example, Porygon 2 will have 135 Defense and 140 Sp.Def.
I will only use it for my Venipede, though as it's a waste of item slot.

GlitchCity
February 4th, 2011, 10:50 AM
Can you get more than one in a game? If so Im using it on all 9 of my Dragonairs'. With its dream world ability Marvel Scale, and the Miracle of Evolution, teehee, this is soooo awesome!

But yes, I will be using it on Dragonair specifically :]

Azure Rathalδs
February 4th, 2011, 11:07 AM
I'll possibly use this on Pokemon that I love but hate there final evolution Rhyhorn and If I ever get competitive.

Air Pichu
February 4th, 2011, 12:27 PM
Woo-hoo Chansey here I come!


This item is a saving grace to all of the NFEs who are waiting for a chance to shine. Heck, some lower tier Pokemon were upgraded to OU or UU. This gives a chance for slightly bulky Pokes to become tanks. Only thing to wonder is if this is banned in Little Cup....

Jolteon*
February 4th, 2011, 08:37 PM
I would definitely use this with shuckle and then use power trick

Andrut
February 5th, 2011, 07:05 AM
I would definitely use this with shuckle and then use power trick
It's impossible, as Shuckle doesn't evolve at all.
Anyone noticed Lickitung? With around 110 in Defense and Sp.Def along with 95 HP it'll become a REALLY bulky Pokemon.
I think he could become useful for Lickylicky haters.

PokéSwimmer
February 6th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Uh Chansey is such a pain to take down by itself...now she's more powerful than before...actually I wonder if her defenses with the MoE are now more powerful than Blissey's :\

They actually are better than Blissey's now, only problem is you can't use leftovers (well, there's always softboiled...)


Anyone noticed Lickitung? With around 110 in Defense and Sp.Def along with 95 HP it'll become a REALLY bulky Pokemon.
I think he could become useful for Lickylicky haters.

I kind of see this as Gamefreak sort of "undoing" some of the terrible Gen. 4 evolutions by making their Gen. 1 pre-evos better than them in some cases. I will personally be using this with Magneton since I really disliked Magnezone.

The Red Chain
February 7th, 2011, 12:17 AM
The Evolution Stone has been my savior far too many times now, I swear.
I never wanted to evolve my Tsutaja throughout White but I knew I was gonna have major issues.. like I have every time I want to keep a pre-evo Pokemon the way it is. Then I discovered the beauty that is the Evolution Stone. I have never had to evolve a Pokemon to handle the difficulty since, and I've gotten to keep my precious Taaja. <333

For people like me who very rarely evolve Pokemon on a team, this stone is outstanding. I just wish I could get more than just one without hacking. ;-;

vaporeon7
February 7th, 2011, 01:01 AM
I can see this item being very overused. Especially for Chansey. This will be great in-game when I go and use NFE Pokemon. Now they won't go down to a slight breeze. Now Rhydon will have 180 base Defence and 67.5 Sp. Defence then you could add another x0.5 for a sandstorm boost for 101.25 base Sp. Defence and with 105 base HP it becomes very bulky. Then here are others like Piloswine, Hippopotas, Gligar, Dusclops, Tangela, etc. As with PokéSwimmer I do like the idea that Gamefreak is undoing all their bad evolutions with one item.

dixon175
February 16th, 2011, 10:18 AM
Why on earth has nobody mentioned Scyther??? 120 on both defense stats, plus it's already high attack and speed, bringing him to a base total of 580, this guy's near enough a pseudo now!!!

Azure
February 16th, 2011, 10:52 AM
It's an intresting item one which I will probally end up using!

Olliee
February 17th, 2011, 07:14 AM
Kadabra becomes better than Alakazam also, you may substitute 135 spatk for 120 but you turn spd to 105, insted of 80 and 50 def to 75.. makes Kadabra's defences no longer frail. o.o.

Pretty much anything that evolves via trade/stone becomes bulkier than its evo. :D

BleuVII
February 17th, 2011, 07:08 PM
Seriously? This works on Scyther and Onix? That seems dumb that it works on pokemon who simply evolve by changing types, but not by actually growing stronger.

Also, the pokemon that REALLY need this are the ones that never GOT evolutions. Like Pachirisu. Or Emolga.

fenyx4
February 17th, 2011, 07:44 PM
They actually are better than Blissey's now, only problem is you can't use leftovers (well, there's always softboiled...)



I kind of see this as Gamefreak sort of "undoing" some of the terrible Gen. 4 evolutions by making their Gen. 1 pre-evos better than them in some cases. I will personally be using this with Magneton since I really disliked Magnezone.

At least people who hated Gen 4 evos will have less of a reason to complain now. >_>

.Also, the pokemon that REALLY need this are the ones that never GOT evolutions. Like Pachirisu. Or Emolga.

I know, right? Luvdisc especially, as it got horribly shafted in Gen 5.

When I heard of this stone's effect, the first thing that came to mind was Porygon2 for some reason, probably due to one of the benefits it has that Porygon-Z lacks. I'm probably going to get even more annoyed if I see a Chansey with this item, though. :cer_cry: