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dizzyKitty
February 5th, 2011, 01:48 PM
I mean, think about it. You've got a dove (Pidove), pheasants (Tranquill, Unfezent), a winged glyph/rune-type fellow (Sigilyph, perhaps a debatable bird, but I included him anyway), Archeopteryxes (Archen, Archeops), a duck (Ducklett) a swan (Swanna), vultures (Vullaby, Mandibuzz) and hawks (Rufflet, Braviary). That's twelve in all. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed someone, so feel free to speak up if I did.

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Flying-type trainers, eat your heart out. :D

Are Pokemon creators running out of ideas? What do you think of the new bird pokemon designs? I was a fan of Braviary from the get-go and I'm looking forward to also training a Mandibuzz (as it's a bit of a namesake, being Mandi-chan!).

Thoughts?

GlitchCity
February 5th, 2011, 02:53 PM
This is another reason why I love Unova. Flying types are my forte.
-squeeee!-

I dont think the creators are running out of ideas, these are getting more creative within each generation. I never thought that Game Freak would put a Vulture into the game. <3 Braviary

Eurydice
February 5th, 2011, 02:55 PM
i actually dont think that is very many bird types but then again i like bird types so i dont mind. if i am thinking right thats about how many other gens have. or maybe not idk

Dillon_68
February 5th, 2011, 04:02 PM
I actually had a hard time finding a Flyer this time, I think they couldh've had more. I chose Swoobat as my Flying type.

Sabrewulf238
February 5th, 2011, 04:04 PM
You could argue that Sigilyph isn't technically a bird. It's supposed to be the Pseudo bird right? Which means it's not actually a bird.

I don't mind how many birds there are....you could also say it's not as obvious because four of those birds are specific to different versions (Rufflet, Braviary, Vullaby and Mandibuzz)

The pokemon creators are not running out of ideas, of that I'm certain....is it going to take until the 20th gen when the pokemon team are still coming out with new ideas for pokemon that they're not running out of ideas and always have been doing so?

Pretty sure people have been saying that since the 2nd gen, if it was true we definitely would not be at the 5th gen now.

Bluemoon
February 5th, 2011, 04:13 PM
I think that i cool! still flying types are just speedy so i dont bother...

Forever
February 5th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Compare that to the seemingly endless amount of grass types and you'll be surprised.

Snivy, Servine, Serperior, Pansage, Simisage, Sewaddle, Swadloon, Leavanny, Cottonee, Whimisicott, Petilil, Lilligant, Maractus, Deerling, Sawsbuck Foongus, Amoonguss, Ferroseed, Ferrothorn and Virizion. Just seems like a hell of a lot. And bug types too. This region seems to have placed less importance on the most common water types and experimented with the least common types.

I do like that there's a lot more choices in birds/flying types though though, but you also have to consider the fact that B/W has added the most amount of Pokemon to the PokeDex than any other generation. So, due to that, more type variety is expected.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 5th, 2011, 05:52 PM
I wish we had another steel / flying in that group of bird pokemon though :(

Ninja Caterpie
February 5th, 2011, 05:57 PM
This gen definitely evened out the types that had less Pokemon. Grass, Bug and Flying had major focuses, with a lot less water types. :P Unfortunately most of the Grass, Bug and Flying types are rather weak competitively due to the fact that they are Grass, Bug and Flying type.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 5th, 2011, 05:59 PM
they still have to balance out fire types with the other types...actually I think we might have more dragons now than fire pokemon...

PlatinumDude
February 5th, 2011, 06:07 PM
I was surprised when I learned that there were 12 bird Pokemon in B/W. The only problem is deciding which one to use as a Fly slave (I already made up my mind with Archeos).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 5th, 2011, 06:11 PM
I'll just pick the strongest out of the flying type Unova pokemon as a TM slave ;)

Mario The World Champion
February 5th, 2011, 06:12 PM
I don't know how many water types the new generation Pokemon have, but that was my main beef with the Gen IV Pokemon. Too many water types. In contrast, there were only a handful of Fire types. Just Chimchar and its evolutions and Heatran.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 5th, 2011, 06:15 PM
I don't know how many water types the new generation Pokemon have, but that was my main beef with the Gen IV Pokemon. Too many water types. In contrast, there were only a handful of Fire types. Just Chimchar and its evolutions and Heatran.
You forgot Magmortar :(
Yeah there does have to have be more fire types...this gen we have
Victini,Reshiram,the starter, the Fire ape that changes forms and it's pre evo, the chandelier pokemon...and a couple others I've provably forgot about...

Zorua
February 5th, 2011, 07:01 PM
I don't really care much about the flying types. All I need is one for flying, and one for general battling, and I'm good, pretty much. Type abundance does not matter to me. Except in Gen IV when there was a lack of fire type, but now that there's a lot more this generation, I'm happy that things are sort of balanced now.

Llennoccm8
February 5th, 2011, 07:10 PM
its probably because birds are BBBBBBBEEEEEEAAAAAAASTTTTTT!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
February 5th, 2011, 07:12 PM
I think Staravia and Wargle are the strongest bird pokemon out there...well other than the legendary birds of Kanto and Johto of course ^-^
I still think they could have added more bird pokemon though...

Spacial Sage
February 5th, 2011, 07:19 PM
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This isn't a bird so much as it is a raptor, mainly a deinonychus with elements of a velociraptor and an oviraptor.

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This is an unown on steroids nazca bird thing. It's barely a bird if one at all.

Hiroshi Sotomura
February 6th, 2011, 05:18 AM
Would you really call it overabundance? We've seen lacks of several types, but we've always had a fair bunch of flying type Pokémon in each generation. We've also had neglected grass types, almost NO fire types (in Diamond and Pearl) and…

I think this generation had a lot of balance in its types with all the new Pokémon it introduced.

RulerArceus
February 6th, 2011, 06:07 AM
What?Flying types aren't neglected! GHOST TYPES ARE NEGLECTED!
Seriously, it's the least popular type, taking up 4.16% of all pokemon.
4.16%.
Flying pokemon are the 3rd most COMMON type(12.94%).
Yeah, they get more pokemon, but what about those poor undead ones?They have almost no friends compared to the other types:'(.
So yeah, sorry about that.Plus, anyway, if they added 12(You forgot Tornelos) that means there was 72 flying types before.So they don't seem very neglected even before this Gen.
EAT IT.
¬RulerArceus

GlitchCity
February 6th, 2011, 07:42 AM
Would you really call it overabundance? We've seen lacks of several types, but we've always had a fair bunch of flying type Pokémon in each generation. We've also had neglected grass types, almost NO fire types (in Diamond and Pearl) and…

I think this generation had a lot of balance in its types with all the new Pokémon it introduced.
Agreed. There are also a lot more steel types in this generatioin. 149 new pokemon, 17 types, at least families with that type. Kudos to Generation 5.

Kenshin5
February 6th, 2011, 09:13 AM
they still have to balance out fire types with the other types...actually I think we might have more dragons now than fire pokemon...
No we have 48 Fire types compared to 29 Dragon Types. So if anything needs to be balanced out of these two it would be Dragon.

I don't know how many water types the new generation Pokemon have, but that was my main beef with the Gen IV Pokemon. Too many water types. In contrast, there were only a handful of Fire types. Just Chimchar and its evolutions and Heatran.
Actually there are 17 Water Types in Unova to 14 in Sinnoh. If I counted that right.

As for the topic at hand there does not seem to be an overabundance of Bird type pokemon in Unova.

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There are at least a 11 pure bird types in Kanto, so is that too much? Its just about as much as Unova. And if you count Psyduck and Golduck bird pokemon since they are part duck then you would have 13 which is even more then Unova.

Hoenn
February 6th, 2011, 09:22 AM
Well one of my favourite types is flying, so I'm in luck :D

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE
February 6th, 2011, 11:41 AM
Personally I love it - flying types are one of my favourites and it's nice to have more to choose from :)

dizzyKitty
February 6th, 2011, 01:22 PM
It just seemed like such a variety to me. xD

If you look at all the bird Pokemon from Kanto, they're all (with the exception of the legendaries and psyduck and golduck) pretty much brown, tan, black, and red. Their colors were limited and they all looked similar, versus the Unova birds, which have a variety of colors and give a nod to a number of different real-world bird species.

slyViper
February 6th, 2011, 01:32 PM
I guess it all comes down to game freak makings sure they don't run out of ideas by keeping them all different I suppose. I still came up with the idea for a swan pokemon at least a year in advanced before the game released -shakes fist-

Kenshin5
February 7th, 2011, 10:58 PM
It just seemed like such a variety to me. xD

If you look at all the bird Pokemon from Kanto, they're all (with the exception of the legendaries and psyduck and golduck) pretty much brown, tan, black, and red. Their colors were limited and they all looked similar, versus the Unova birds, which have a variety of colors and give a nod to a number of different real-world bird species.
Too me that just shows an evolving complexity in pokemons design across the board. Which is refreshing too me, since I would rather see a good design then something bland. Sure people may complain they are over doing it, but I think the Bird Pokemon and a majority of the rest are hell of designs. As you noted their coloration's are rather similar and bland, but that was the beginning of the series and that was what they were aiming for at the time.

Sabrewulf238
February 7th, 2011, 11:06 PM
I guess it all comes down to game freak makings sure they don't run out of ideas by keeping them all different I suppose. I still came up with the idea for a swan pokemon at least a year in advanced before the game released -shakes fist-

That's not really surprising, since a swan is a pretty typical bird. I bet there were people who came up with the idea for a swan pokemon before you too.

olih
February 9th, 2011, 03:24 PM
I'm actually pretty happy they have a lot flying types. They are my 2nd favorite type, fire being first. But Braviary looks totally awesome!

Haowakeorden
February 9th, 2011, 03:37 PM
As for the topic at hand there does not seem to be an overabundance of Bird type pokemon in Unova.

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There are at least a 11 pure bird types in Kanto, so is that too much? Its just about as much as Unova. And if you count Psyduck and Golduck bird pokemon since they are part duck then you would have 13 which is even more then Unova.
So there were about as many bird Pokémon in Generation I as there are in V.

I wouldn't call that an over-abundance.

Kenshin5
February 9th, 2011, 03:59 PM
"As for the topic at hand there does not seem to be an overabundance of Bird type pokemon in Unova."
Which is what I said here... A dozen pokemon of Bird heritage is not overabundance. The topic creator is the one that claimed that.

rocky505
February 9th, 2011, 04:13 PM
How dare you call Rufflet and Braviary hawks! they are flipping Bald Eagles!

Rai
February 11th, 2011, 12:26 PM
The more bird pokemon, the more choices! That is better overall in my opinion. What if the bird pokemon I choose to help me fly places turns out to be terrible or weak? I can easily choose another.

MysticFlygon
February 11th, 2011, 01:05 PM
I guess this would be a good thing because I know whenever I wanted a flyer in HG/SS or something like that my choices would be very limited but now you don't have to keep using the same flying Pokemon over and over again.

King Gumball
February 11th, 2011, 01:50 PM
That is not a lot of birds... i mean it is around the same amount for most other gens, but still not that much. But I do love them all and I love their variety of typings and move sets.

actually we ae missing those genie pokemon.... so I guess that is 15 flying types. And also Emonga, Woobat and Swoobat. 18 flying types now. so I guess there is an abundance after all...

vaporeon7
February 11th, 2011, 05:33 PM
This will be good for my flying monotype.

rocky505
February 11th, 2011, 06:18 PM
There are not many good flying pokemon who can learn fly though. Unfezant,Braviary,Mandibuzz,Shinpora(English name too hard to remember >_<),Swoobat,Swanna,Archeops. And barely any of them are useful with fly. I find Braviary,Swanna and Archeops the best since they get other good moves. IMO Unfezant is lame it only gets aerial ace for a one turn flying move of any use on it. Plus there is Golurk for a flyer.

Zlayr
February 12th, 2011, 05:39 AM
there is also a lot of new bug pokemon and i think that is werry good since there are werry few strong bug pokemon
but the reason there is so many flying types is simple
until you beat elite 4 you CANT catch any other pokemon than the new ones (or at least so ive heard)
if thats tru it means their trying to kinda make a new red and blue but whit new pokemons
and also there is about 150 new pokemon and when the first pokemons came out there was 150 of them
so basicly they made a new pokemon game whit new pokemon thats suposed to have the feel of the first gen games
or at least thats what i think

Future_Chaos
February 12th, 2011, 03:30 PM
I don't see this as bad news, I love birds. xD The variety of the species of birds they used also kinda takes your mind off that they're all birds. I'm really glad they have a swan, a vulture, and an ARCHAEOPTERYX <33333

So yeah, birds are cool.

Diamond1304
February 14th, 2011, 01:18 AM
I love all these new Flying type ideas GameFreak as gave us! I also noticed an increase in the Poke-populaiton of Ghost types. With Litwick's family being shown along with the Gel Ballon ghost, more dual-typed ghosts are coming out! The Ghost Golem idea was uniquely cool too, I think they should add a Grass/Ghost and maybe a Psychic/Ghost?

The number of Dark types have slightly increased too, with the introductions of Purrloin and such. Psychic types have also shown in numbers and varieties lately, Reuniclus and Gothitell's families are good additions to the mental link.

Derezzed
February 14th, 2011, 04:49 AM
I like the designs of the birds this year, although I never use them for anything but HM *****s so it doesn't really matter to me.

Kaori
February 14th, 2011, 05:28 AM
There may be an overabundance in bird Pokémon this Gen, but I want to say at least some of them resemble what they are meant to be. For example Pidove and its evolution line and Braviary. Pidove actually resembles a Pigeon more than the previous Pigeon Pokémon. You can tell its a pigeon not only from its name (As with Pidgey and its evolution line) but from its design as well. Most pigeons are gray as well as the types you would see along New York, and Pidove has that look. Seeing as Unova is based off of New York, a pigeon Pokémon like Pidove is to be expected around, so that's one flying type that not only represents its design but the state of Unova as well. New York doesn't have too many different birds (or so I think) so common ones of the sort are bound to be in the game if GameFreak really wanted them to represent its region.

Braviary the Valiant Pokémon, is another example for representing Unova and New York. Valiant means bold, brave and heroic and Braviary shows that off well. Its red, white and blue colors are to have the representation of Unova to New York within the US national flag so that was all the more expected again too.

My point being, I don't mind there being an overabundance in bird Pokémon since especially they are types that are to be commonly known around the US, or New York moreover. As for their annoyance and moveset in the game, it may not be all that great but I still enjoy their design and appearance to keep Unova and its 'population' fitting the name for both the US and New York.

The Red Chain
February 15th, 2011, 08:20 AM
If you ask me, the overabundance of bird-like Pokemon makes a lot of sense. In real life we have so many birds around the world it's ridiculous. I don't know if birds are more significant number-wise in America than they are in Japan, but it sure seems to show as truth in B&W. XD;

I really don't mind all the "birds" [even though some of them aren't technically birds] in B&W. As long as there is a good reason behind anything, I'm usually fine with it~. ^.^

fenyx4
February 20th, 2011, 03:27 PM
If you ask me, the overabundance of bird-like Pokemon makes a lot of sense. In real life we have so many birds around the world it's ridiculous.[/S-HIGHLIGHT] I don't know if birds are more significant number-wise in America than they are in Japan, but it sure seems to show as truth in B&W. XD;

I really don't mind all the "birds" [even though some of them aren't technically birds] in B&W. As long as there is a good reason behind anything, I'm usually fine with it~. ^.^


Goshdarn Birds (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoddamnedBats). They are numerous in real life, though (with several of them never shutting up).

Plus, the Pokemon bird count is Kanto and Unova is approximately the same anyway, so it's hardly a bother at all. I wish there was one with the cry of a [S]Morning Mourning Dove (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFwK4GgpYs), though...

PiPVoda
February 20th, 2011, 05:10 PM
The more the merrier, as they sometimes say. I hated Sinnoh for its lack of decent birds, Hoenn was a let down as well. Glad that Unova is different.

Rich Boy Rob
February 21st, 2011, 10:17 AM
See now all I want know about, concerning the birds is why the hell a pigeon evolves into a pheasant :\

Zeph.
February 21st, 2011, 12:01 PM
there is also a lot of new bug pokemon and i think that is werry good since there are werry few strong bug pokemon
but the reason there is so many flying types is simple
until you beat elite 4 you CANT catch any other pokemon than the new ones (or at least so ive heard)
if thats tru it means their trying to kinda make a new red and blue but whit new pokemons
and also there is about 150 new pokemon and when the first pokemons came out there was 150 of them
so basicly they made a new pokemon game whit new pokemon thats suposed to have the feel of the first gen games
or at least thats what i think

Um... this is old news :/

Anyway, there's only 12 'bird' pokemon. That's not an over-abundance... at all...

Zlayr
February 25th, 2011, 01:47 AM
Um... this is old news :/

Anyway, there's only 12 'bird' pokemon. That's not an over-abundance... at all...


well it might be but that is still the explination to the amount of flyings
what if they made 3 flying types? then you would have too choose one of those and you would not be able to catch any other flyings untill after the elite 4

Mist_Ketchum
February 25th, 2011, 08:19 PM
I've noticed the overburdance of birds but there is also a ton of bugs and dragon legendaries are now beginning to be used a bit much. ^^;

Scraggy
February 25th, 2011, 08:30 PM
I counted earlier..I cant remember now but unova had like 16 pokemon with flying, i agree it seems like thats a lot.

Mist_Ketchum
February 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM
Holy sheezel. That IS a lot! That's worse then when I tried to make my own fakemon region and overloaded it with dogs. Lol.